I Was Adopted From Korea - Here’s What It Was Like | Op-Docs

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@Who_Let_the_Dawn_In
@Who_Let_the_Dawn_In 5 жыл бұрын
"It was basically to purge the country of its human refuse" .. the way she speaks so stoically breaks my heart
@JH-dl6vu
@JH-dl6vu 5 жыл бұрын
Thats what these guys do, bomb countries of people of color, screw the natives there and leave them. We are garbage to them and always was. A few that actually stood and did their duty to raise their kids, respect but this is what colonialism is and always was. A way to justify the means, destroy countries by invasion under the guise of "terrorism", "communism", "religion", "oil" etc.. and then after they had their fill of murder and installed their puppet government and mcdonalds corporations, the G.I.s that had their fun leave the rest of us because who would want a native 'savage' baby...
@dg0210
@dg0210 5 жыл бұрын
J H but don’t you think it’s messed up for the Koreans to not care for them either and instead set them up for adoption?
@TheMartyrdoom
@TheMartyrdoom 5 жыл бұрын
@@JH-dl6vu The US and South Korea were allies, it was also Korean organisations and groups who initiated these adoptions in the first place.
@ekayaniperforms
@ekayaniperforms 5 жыл бұрын
Oh the children. Children are never refuse. Tears.
@monsenor5561
@monsenor5561 3 жыл бұрын
@@dg0210 After korean war, Korean was extremely poor and not functional. So you can’t just blame them at the time
@chrisysmith51
@chrisysmith51 5 жыл бұрын
Today is the the 31st anniversary of my "plane day" I arrived from korea to the U.S. kind of serendipitous I would find this video today.
@jimm3370
@jimm3370 5 жыл бұрын
Having just read your comment, I'm feeling such a mixture of emotions... at the same time I'm thinking 'Happy Plane Day And Welcome To Your New Home'...I'm feeling so sad for you. Even so, I can not grasp the tumult that must roil in your heart this day. I pray for peace in your heart and joyful tomorrows; may this confusing and painful aspect of your life somehow transform into peace and joy.
@ashleyibanez2686
@ashleyibanez2686 5 жыл бұрын
The video was obviously meant for you brosef
@Jerseylulu
@Jerseylulu 5 жыл бұрын
We welcome you with open arms!
@XOut4This
@XOut4This 5 жыл бұрын
Chris Smith So funny, my name is Christine Smith now. 💁🏻‍♀️(Since I was abandoned, the orphanage gave me a Korean name.)
@Jerseylulu
@Jerseylulu 5 жыл бұрын
I Should Really Be Doing Something Else thank you for sharing.
@pureland1111
@pureland1111 5 жыл бұрын
It’s hard not to cry with the interviewees, even though I’m neither Korean nor an adoptee.
@BokushingusKendoTV
@BokushingusKendoTV 5 жыл бұрын
You have empathy and compassion.
@pureland1111
@pureland1111 5 жыл бұрын
@Sydney Kiara Daviston-Atkins Not all humans have humanity. Just look at all the crimes committed around the world.
@pureland1111
@pureland1111 5 жыл бұрын
@@BokushingusKendoTV You do too ❤️
@ton3016
@ton3016 5 жыл бұрын
Not to mention this started when they were babies or very young children; and they had to live with everything that happened. My eyes are water falls at this point.
@pureland1111
@pureland1111 5 жыл бұрын
@@ton3016 Seeing people suffer breaks my heart. I wish there was less suffering in the world.
@chicanapunkLA
@chicanapunkLA 5 жыл бұрын
wow, the last gentlemans story about his father getting drunk & calling out their names is haunting
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy 5 жыл бұрын
It sure is. His pain and regret is obvious. 💔
@pockyeatingpanda
@pockyeatingpanda 5 жыл бұрын
When he said his father tried to get them back a month later I just let out this sound of pure grief.... a breath that just comes out of you. I feel so much for the father...
@k____90
@k____90 5 жыл бұрын
I barely managed to hold myself back from crying but when he tells his story at the end, I am bawling
@keitafoxy7428
@keitafoxy7428 5 жыл бұрын
It is..
@22katielle
@22katielle 5 жыл бұрын
The daughter of the G.I. speaks with a beautiful balance of grace and pain.
@natashalegendre-wafer735
@natashalegendre-wafer735 5 жыл бұрын
Everything about that beautiful woman is graceful, elegant and classy. She's mesmerizing.
@lesnspired1
@lesnspired1 5 жыл бұрын
Natasha LeGendre-Wafer AGREED.
@ironlotuses2162
@ironlotuses2162 5 жыл бұрын
So true
@ritasdovee
@ritasdovee 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, she's beautiful
@lin2thez341
@lin2thez341 5 жыл бұрын
She reminds me very much of a woman I worked with 30 years ago. Her name was Barbara and she was half filipino, half american. The twist here though was that she was raised by her filipino father and didn't know her mother.
@MrAwachs
@MrAwachs 5 жыл бұрын
As a Korean adoptee growing up in Wisconsin, I agree that the pain I have felt, the lack of identify; it's very all real. But I never can truly understand the feelings that my birthparents had in the moment or the feelings they have had to live with. But I do know the feelings of joy my adoptive parents had the moment I came and still have.
@happybabydoctor
@happybabydoctor 5 жыл бұрын
Wow I'm from Wisconsin. I didn't know there were so many adoptees that went there. Another guy in the video said he was adopted to Wisconsin. What area of Wisconsin did you go to? I'm from outside Milwaukee
@tatid6743
@tatid6743 5 жыл бұрын
As a fellow Wisconsinite...just want to send you my well wishes and greetings!
@TimeIdle
@TimeIdle 5 жыл бұрын
@@joebauxer755 - wtf?
@gatestimonymiracle1302
@gatestimonymiracle1302 3 жыл бұрын
Your girlfriend and you are cute
@katluann
@katluann 3 жыл бұрын
My cousin who we all adore is half us which is Cherokee mostly and half black. I understand how it must be for you. It’s very sad.
@brad_choe13
@brad_choe13 5 жыл бұрын
As a Korean this kills me to see this. It breaks my heart. Watching this made me just feel so emotional. It made me think of my cousins who were born to American Military men and those men stood by with my aunts to raise a family. I think about how lucky they are that my uncles stayed and did not abandon my aunts and my cousins. I truly feel for any adoptee. And I want any adoptee to know that you are loved.
@aureliocosta2872
@aureliocosta2872 5 жыл бұрын
Brad Choe i was adopted, not Korean, but gosh i can relate to their pain. Given away like you dont matter was hard.
@johnr7279
@johnr7279 5 жыл бұрын
Very kind words.
@lespaniel9745
@lespaniel9745 5 жыл бұрын
This is a hard video to watch. My mother - in law was Korean, father - in law was a GI he stuck with his wife and 3 kids over there and they eventually sponsored I think 4 of her brothers and sisters to move to the US in the early 70's - they are both dead know but all of the extended family is very successful and happy with a couple 4th gen. kids running around now. It's awful people have to suffer from the start and suffer for so long.
@JH-dl6vu
@JH-dl6vu 5 жыл бұрын
Thats what these guys do, bomb countries of people of color, screw the natives there and leave them. We are garbage to them and always was. A few that actually stood and did their duty to raise their kids, respect but this is what colonialism is.
@LovelyAngel.
@LovelyAngel. 5 жыл бұрын
J H The WWII happened after the colonialism... also I get your point but it applies basically to all wars even when people are the same race.
@athomeinmyhead
@athomeinmyhead 5 жыл бұрын
Wow. So hard to watch when the woman tells the story of how she was left on the doorstep and her interpretation of that now as an adult. Heartbreaking.
@lalakuma9
@lalakuma9 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't even realize that a lot of Korean adoptees actually have memories from the time before they were adopted. I used to assume that they must all had been too young to remember. I'd imagine these memories might have made it even more confusing for them, the whole fact that they remember about having family members give them away.
@manatiluna
@manatiluna 5 жыл бұрын
It is known that people can remember things from year 3. Specially if it was a trauma. Sometimes very blurry but it's there.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy 5 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine the pain of being left behind. 💔
@carmenc4926
@carmenc4926 5 жыл бұрын
Nana Iqbal agreed. My earliest memory was at about 2.5yrs old.
@miameow4833
@miameow4833 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure the gal who was 3 days old is just visualizing what she went through...she must have been told my others that was how the whole thing played out..the ones who were around 2 or 3 years old might recall something traumatic. When my mom was potty training my niece (while my sister was away in the military) my mom sat her on the toilet and made pee-pee sounds to encourage her to try to pee in the toilet. I went in the bathroom to grab a brush and overheard my mom doing this and recalled back when I was 1 or 2. The "peeshh peesh" was so distinct. Some of these people were better adjusted than others...this is all attitude and stems from parental behaviors around them...If a kid is raised with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves and were raised to handle life's disappointments and move on. The important part was they were raised by a family who cared for them, were raised by people who were able to provide for them.
@VioletJoy
@VioletJoy 5 жыл бұрын
@@miameow4833 Great story. 😂 So often I have heard very happy adoptions stories. No doubt some are too young to remember anything, but sadly, some remember all too clearly.
@blue_isjustblue
@blue_isjustblue 5 жыл бұрын
"제 삶이 시작하는 순간에 혼자였던거죠" 이 말씀이 머릿속에서 떠나질 않아요...
@LeannsAdventures
@LeannsAdventures 5 жыл бұрын
My boyfriend is also a Korean adoptee and after many years of encouraging him, he finally agreed to visit his motherland last year. We had such a beautiful time. He’s always had a negative feeling towards his adoption story but when we visited the city he was born in, he received some bit of peace. If you are adopted and you don’t intend to look for your biological family, I would still encourage you to visit the country/city of your birth.
@lizdestefano4905
@lizdestefano4905 5 жыл бұрын
I'm the same but I really don't have any intention to go back I have nothing there! But I'll keep it in mind! I'm happy for your boyfriend
@HKim0072
@HKim0072 3 жыл бұрын
@@lizdestefano4905 IMO, it's a cool experience just to be surrounded by Koreans. I've always enjoyed walking around Seoul alone with no destination. (Summers are brutally humid. Winters can be bitterly cold. Spring and Summer are ideal.)
@badegg2914
@badegg2914 3 жыл бұрын
@@HKim0072 I agree with Liz- I have nothing to go back to. Being surrounded with Koreans won't fill the gap but only remind me how I don't belong. I'm happy to hear it works for others. If it brings them a sense of peace, who am I to argue.
@HKim0072
@HKim0072 3 жыл бұрын
@@badegg2914 Totally understand. I was already drifting in that path. When I was 18, I started to hang out with fobby Korean people and even worked in a Korean restaurant during college part-time (Japanese tourists). lol, I was born a generation or so too late. Korean stuff is so trendy right now.
@calebpan1505
@calebpan1505 5 жыл бұрын
I am trying so hard to hold back tears - the sense of grief is overwhelming. Thank you for sharing your stories.
@rick6672
@rick6672 5 жыл бұрын
But if you look at it in a systematic way, you can decentralized the basic essence that will deviate from the path of retrobalization!
@rick6672
@rick6672 5 жыл бұрын
@Susan Frisinga Oh i don't even know what I meant! I'm just trying to use big words.
@elleh3495
@elleh3495 5 жыл бұрын
are you a Korean adoptee also?
@idasesay4271
@idasesay4271 5 жыл бұрын
The older woman is so elegant and beautiful
@emberm6720
@emberm6720 4 жыл бұрын
She is! What a beauty
@AsamiAri
@AsamiAri 3 жыл бұрын
She is like common Korean ahjumma
@sashatheelf
@sashatheelf 3 жыл бұрын
@@AsamiAri not really
@therese6030
@therese6030 Жыл бұрын
I’m a Korean-Swedish adoptee, I'm just confused all the time I live with a lot of guilt and anxiety, tired of feeling grateful for being adopted. Ty for this interview.
@indrinita
@indrinita 5 жыл бұрын
I just about lost it when I was hearing about the girl who was left as an infant on a doorstep in 1974, at the moment of finding the place she was left. Broke my heart.
@spicybrown75
@spicybrown75 4 жыл бұрын
her story breaks my heart everytime i watch this video.
@EchoBravo370
@EchoBravo370 3 жыл бұрын
Deliberately putting oneself in the path of a trauma is never a good idea.
@HoldenNY22
@HoldenNY22 3 жыл бұрын
idointa- Me too, And Im a Guy.
@TRVTennis
@TRVTennis 5 жыл бұрын
I’m a Korean adoptee, thank you NYT for producing this. I couldn’t explain how being adopted effects me to my friends, so now I just share this video. I went to Korea in 2017, and I wasn’t going to initiate a search for my birth family. I ended up staying in hapjeong which is very close to hongdae where travel websites said I should stay. What I didn’t know was Holts headquarters was in hapjeong. I walked up to the office building and found this very nice Korean security guard. I had little information but he could understand my heart, we both cried and he hugged me, held my hand, wished me luck, and pointed me to the right location. In 2017 my birth mother told me she couldn’t accept me, and that she had a new family. In 2019 my birth mother told her new husband about me. I really felt sad for the women who was left as a baby. But thanks to her I made the decision to write back.
@MsYahngsCafe
@MsYahngsCafe 5 жыл бұрын
I was an older Korean adoptee. I went to 1st grade in Korea, so being a school aged child I had many memories of Korea. I missed my family & just wanted to go home all my life.
@karljohnson2490
@karljohnson2490 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a korean adoptee from MN and would like to thank NYTimes for producing something like this. Storytelling is a big buzz right now, but this shows a lot of uniqueness in each of the adoptee's testimonies. Not every adoptee feels so strongly about their narrative, some do. Not every adoptee was abandoned. Not every adoptee wishes to return or search for their birth family. Not every adoptee faces racism, prejudice, or feels misplaced, alienated, and isolated. Grief is something that everyone interacts with - whether they go through it head first or choose to completely avoid it. I just want to put out that your narrative is something that you and only you can decide to uncover. It's not your family's obligation, your communities, friends, or whomever's. They can certainly encourage, support, and are a part of it, but in the end, it's your narrative and you pursue it. Wherever someone is at in their journey, I hope he/she has support around them that also recognizes that.
@karljohnson2490
@karljohnson2490 5 жыл бұрын
@TheRedsun111 yeah, could be true. But I know some people that are pretty oblivious to it. Even though they may be subject to many microaggressions, stereotypes, etc, they may choose to deny or not acknowledge it. Don't gotta find the 1 thing you disagree with :)
@GeorgePutzenheimer
@GeorgePutzenheimer 5 жыл бұрын
Also from Minnesota. My good friend from the 3rd grade through HS was a Korean Adoptee. It took me a year to see the physical difference but it didn't matter. He dealt with bitterness because he blamed his adoptive parents for taking him away from his family at the age of 5. He is married with three kids and very happy. We still get together once every few years. God bless you all.
@trilbywilby7826
@trilbywilby7826 10 ай бұрын
@karljohnson2490 Thank you very much for sharing your perspective. In Europe also, before and after World War II, it was very common to give up children to convents and orphanages because families couldn't afford to take care of them or because the children were illegitimate. It was the only cultural option available at the time.
@michellewilloby8448
@michellewilloby8448 5 жыл бұрын
I was adopted, I think how bless I was to be chosen.
@joebauxer755
@joebauxer755 5 жыл бұрын
you were blessed. realized that and pray about it every day. You ultimately should not have been born, and your REAL family who adopted you gave you a life in this world
@pattyayers
@pattyayers 5 жыл бұрын
I was barely breathing through a lot of this. I didn’t realize that there were so many adopted people like these folks in the U.S., and definitely had no idea how hard it is for them. Beautiful people, showing such courage and honesty. I was glad it ended on something like a positive note. Wow.
@LoebRules
@LoebRules 5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately there are a lot of stories that ended tragically.
@jaycc8453
@jaycc8453 5 жыл бұрын
이모할아버지 저 버리지 마세요 말 잘들을게요........ 듣고 펑펑 울었다.........너무 가슴이 아프다
@aaronpark6330
@aaronpark6330 5 жыл бұрын
Jay Cc ㅠㅠㅠㅠ저두
@jgallub
@jgallub 5 жыл бұрын
Adopted from Korea in 1988 during the Olympics. I was 3 months so I didn’t remember anything, but it definitely still had its hardships. Being an adoptee wasn’t really a thing so it was unusual to see a white family with an Asian kid. It was hard identity wise though, because I never felt like I fit in with white kids or Asian kids. My parents also never gave me a conversation about racism because they are white. So that’s something I had to deal with in my own way. I’ve never felt very Korean other than my looks, but I always felt that was due to my parents doing a great job on never making me feel different from them. For me I identify more as French Italian than anything. Being adopted in a weird way was like going through the stages of grieving. It’s hard and it will always be a piece of me, but it’s made me a stronger person.
@inquisitvem6723
@inquisitvem6723 5 жыл бұрын
God bless you. Just curious, did you ever go visit Korea
@jgallub
@jgallub 5 жыл бұрын
Inquisitve m no never went back. Never had a desire to.
@inquisitvem6723
@inquisitvem6723 5 жыл бұрын
Jgallub not even for kpop...lol... j/k
@jgallub
@jgallub 5 жыл бұрын
Inquisitve m haha no lol but the kimchi might make me go
@cabreraalex8604
@cabreraalex8604 5 жыл бұрын
항상 행복하시고 좋은 일만 가득하시기를 바랍니다
@thesimplefarmhouse
@thesimplefarmhouse 5 жыл бұрын
As an adoptive mom to an Indian daughter, my heart goes out to you and breaks for you. Thank you for telling your story and for sharing the hard places of your lives with us.
@Oli-pj7jy
@Oli-pj7jy 5 жыл бұрын
Now I slightly understand how adoptees have such a big loss. Thank you for good subtitles. It is well translated. I hope everyone finds their own answers.
@lizdestefano4905
@lizdestefano4905 5 жыл бұрын
It's like a lost of identity for me and it's a huge struggle but trying to fix it
@millaeunsol
@millaeunsol 5 жыл бұрын
지극히 개인적이고 그 입장이 아니라면 알 수 없는 상황을 얘기하고 나눠주셔서 고맙습니다. 대단해요 그렇게 아픈 마음과 시간을 지니고 여기까지 온 모두 응원해요. 마음의 상처가 치유되어지길 바래요 그리고 그 기억으로 자신의 가치를 잘못 평가하지 않으시길 바래요😭💗
@Verpent
@Verpent 5 жыл бұрын
That’s so crazy to remember losing your birth families. I was adopted at 6 from an orphanage in Russia. I feel like I never lost a family. Just gained one really late. Sometimes I feel bad for not feeling bad that I was born unwanted and mostly I feel bad for people who feel bad for me that my family isn’t “real”
@gi20Moon
@gi20Moon 5 жыл бұрын
Don't listen to them... Your family is the one who took care of you and gave you love so it is real! I'm happy that you found amazing people like your family ;)
@renea2218
@renea2218 5 жыл бұрын
Cherie Butler Why did you say that as if she’s supposed to feel guilty for who she was born as? That was so unnecessary.
@miameow4833
@miameow4833 5 жыл бұрын
Your new family is real...they exist! That makes them real. Just because someone is related to you doesn't mean they automatically are prepared to have you or are automatically going to be great parents. Glad you accept your new family and that they accepted you too. Don't feel bad for not feeling bad. You just are capable of handling change easily and that is an awesome trait! We should be compassionate and understanding but not pity people because that is just handicapping them emotionally!
@adrians.5097
@adrians.5097 5 жыл бұрын
@@renea2218 Dima is a man's name btw
@polishherowitoldpilecki5521
@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 5 жыл бұрын
Dima T Do you still identify as a Russian. Because I was born in Italy and adopted by an Italian American couple. But I only ever saw myself as Italian.
@artSFCA
@artSFCA 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not an adoptee. I am half Korean, half American, born in postwar Korea. I don't know my American G.I. father. My mother remarried another GI then immigrated to the U.S. I remember during the 60's and 70's when Korea was promoting Korean children to the U.S. which I thought was strange wondering why? Now I know why. When not knowing one or both genetic parent, I always felt there's a void in me, just like the people in this video. Powerful story by the way.
@joshiskyler4417
@joshiskyler4417 5 жыл бұрын
This is really deep. Like wow
@hair6789
@hair6789 5 жыл бұрын
u commented this before the video was done but Ok
@Joshua72150
@Joshua72150 5 жыл бұрын
As a Korean adoptee from the 80s, this really hit home for me. Thank you NYT for sharing this with me.
@offgridlivingwithadhd4474
@offgridlivingwithadhd4474 5 жыл бұрын
All of the emotional and psychological aspects commonly felt among all of us Korean adoptees are represented in this op doc. I commend them for speaking about their experiences so candidly. I learned quite a bit and feel less alone with those deep-seeded feelings of abandonment I’ve been harboring for so long.
@clairec3925
@clairec3925 5 жыл бұрын
How old were you when you were adopted?
@treyartson6788
@treyartson6788 5 жыл бұрын
Just dont feel alone. Even though you were adopted into a country that isn't your native land biologically, you are still one of us in whatever nation you grew up in. National heritage and knowing such is so freaking important, but no matter who you are and who we all are, in the larger picture within the world we are all the same. Much love to you, and to all of us wherever we are or wherever we came from.
@treyartson6788
@treyartson6788 5 жыл бұрын
@Bob Jones dude this is not the time or place to hit on someone.
@offgridlivingwithadhd4474
@offgridlivingwithadhd4474 5 жыл бұрын
Claire C This was my first post so sorry for the delay. I just discovered the inbox. I was an infant. My birthdate is unknown but I was malnourished so the best estimate was between 4-6 months old.
@Lisa-zz5si
@Lisa-zz5si 5 жыл бұрын
I was adopted at 6 months therefore have no early memories prior to adoption. My adoptive parents are amazing and wonderful and have given me everything and more. I have little interest in discovering my birth family but do enjoy learning about Korea in general. I feel I have a strong sense of identity and do not think about my adoption much.
@miameow4833
@miameow4833 5 жыл бұрын
That's awesome. Think you were raised right emotionally, physically and everything. You don't have to look like the people who raised you. These people who were traumatized and having self hatred or feelings of loss were looking for something to be upset over. They can look at being given up as if their mothers didn't want them or look at it as their mothers gave them up so that they would be living in a stable home.
@Lisa-zz5si
@Lisa-zz5si 5 жыл бұрын
@@miameow4833 I think it's an identity issue but that's my opinion. I have a very strong sense of self and feel very close to my mom and dad. It makes me sad when I hear about adoptees who think mixed ethnicity adoption should be stopped. I love my white hippy parents!!
@Lisa-zz5si
@Lisa-zz5si 5 жыл бұрын
@@rachel39321 Honestly I don't think about why I was given up for adoption, it doesn't really matter to me. Whatever reason it was, it was a good one for my birth mother and/or father. I know I am loved by my mom and dad.
@alice73333
@alice73333 5 жыл бұрын
Lisa Hudson Do you ever feel the desire to let your birth parents know that you are doing good?
@Lisa-zz5si
@Lisa-zz5si 5 жыл бұрын
@@alice73333 That's a good question and many years ago a little after I had my daughter I left a photo of us and a brief description of me with the adoption agency in case anyone inquires. I would love to meet a close relative but I don't mind if it never happens.
@skyblue-kj7gk
@skyblue-kj7gk 5 жыл бұрын
태어나고 3일 됐을 때 버려진 곳을 찾아간 이야기를 들으니 가슴이 찢어지는 것처럼 아프네요. Thank you all for sharign your stories and for staying strong.
@spicyjennas
@spicyjennas 5 жыл бұрын
15:05 That last guy talking about his father trying to get them back a month later... broke me down
@풍뎅이-h5b
@풍뎅이-h5b 5 жыл бұрын
9:41 I can’t even imagine how lonely she must have felt there.. she deserves so much love..
@kyawswarmaungmaung5763
@kyawswarmaungmaung5763 5 жыл бұрын
13:55 I was so desperate for her to know that I was happy and that I was okay... broke me
@kristinawalla
@kristinawalla 5 жыл бұрын
yes , me too
@unjonnarai4612
@unjonnarai4612 3 жыл бұрын
💔
@jee-eunhong2326
@jee-eunhong2326 5 жыл бұрын
Overwhelming. Deeply sad. How do we mend broken hearts of those babies living inside of us.
@jee-eunhong2326
@jee-eunhong2326 5 жыл бұрын
@@elleh3495 Thank you, Elle, for sharing this. Hugs and hugs and hugs to you.
@elleh3495
@elleh3495 5 жыл бұрын
Jee-eun Hong I'm glad to share. For me, mending with a pen and paper is more effective than needle and thread.
@elleh3495
@elleh3495 5 жыл бұрын
I revised this poem today: "Your Hair is so Beautiful" Profound loss: in the broken mammalian bonds; in the search for meaning; in the forever search for primal acceptance--for clan. Family photos: Your hair is black, your face is round, your eyes are thin ribbons. An acute awareness that extended family members see me as an ornament, something exotic like a salt-water fish with blue silk tails. Sometimes men who served in the Vietnam war will randomly say hello to me in Vietnamese; I stare at them not knowing what they just said, so they look at me and say it again, say it louder. They talk to me like a grown child talks to a parent with dementia--slowly, and as if the parent is deaf, as if I am deaf. I will also receive the Chinese "hello" greeting: I, secretly judging them and giving up defending myself against their mistakes. It's not so ridiculous, I finally concede; maybe I don't even know what to call home; maybe they are right, maybe I don't know what home is. Maybe there is a reason a homeland is also called a motherland. Your tongue: Speaks a language that your biological relatives never spoke; knows nothing of the language embedded in your DNA. You taste Kimchi and realize your hands and heart and brain were once made of that spicy brinyness buried in the earth, bursting onto your Caucasian-trained tastebuds, choking you on garlic, bitter, heat and something ancient. Manners: You are polite even though you are hot with the urge to scream and pull hair because you can't explain why your face is flat or your eyes are squinty. Self: You realize you are not alone; you become protective of other adoptees; there is a similar tone to most all the stories--there is a grace in which these stories must be handled and spoken and talked about to others. Because if not for grace, hearts could break. There is a fine line between thankfulness and bitterness. You deserved answers. You become not only your self, you become parent to that child that once was you--you replay that in your mind and then you shatter because you can't hold that child, and when you see that even if you could, words would fail. A yellow car sped away under a blue sky and I sat on a green grass hill. I was hot and sweaty because I was sent on a plane wearing all my clothes I owned--cereal was stuck to the inside of my tiny little palms. I ran away at the airport when I had to meet my new mother. I don't remember that, but she does and its been 40 years. Each year that passes I hope that my birth mother was really young when she had me, so that when I get enough courage to try, there is still a possibility that she is alive to find. Every year I celebrate the birthday I was assigned by the agency. I don't know if I'm really a Capricorn because I feel Pisces. I have an anniversary of my arrival day each year. It becomes more painful the older I get. The older I get I can hardly tell if it's a celebration or a funeral. I want to know if this sense of loss is the adoption or if I am just separated from a twin I know nothing of. I sense it's the former. I listen to Korean language videos--recognizing only one word of the "100 most important Korean words to learn". That was the word "hungry", which was the only word in Korean I could speak for many weeks when I arrived. Hungry. Yes, that word.
@jee-eunhong2326
@jee-eunhong2326 5 жыл бұрын
@@elleh3495 "There is a fine line between thankfulness and bitterness. You deserved answers. You become not only your self, you become parent to that child that once was you--you replay that in your mind and then you shatter because you can't hold that child, and when you see that even if you could, words would fail." It is most beautiful words that can only come from pain. I feel hope and courage in your poem that the child within knows she is truly loved despite of the pain. If I am wrong, I want to believe.
@bpxl53yewz29
@bpxl53yewz29 5 жыл бұрын
You were wanted. You were loved... and that was why you were adopted by your family. I hope their hearts can heal... and forgive.
@Who_Let_the_Dawn_In
@Who_Let_the_Dawn_In 5 жыл бұрын
When I was 13, I left Korea for the first time. My whole family came with me to the Incheon airport to see me off. There, I saw a crying baby (let's call it "she" because I don't recall the gender) being adopted by a middle-aged Indian-American woman. The whole thing was very surreal. The baby was crying so much when this Korean lady (who seemed like a worker from an adopting agency) gave her to the new mom. I remember the new mom's face and her panicky laughters. To console the baby, my family took turns in holding the baby and playing with her. She would calm down for a bit and once returned to her new mom, she would begin crying again (just by being held). Since then, I have not seen anything like that - ever - at any airport around the world. I sometimes wonder as to why I had to witness such a rare event in my life immediately happening in front of me (and it was my first flight outside Korea ever) and I also wonder how that baby is doing. It's been 16 years already. She must be well into her teenage years. I wonder if she would want to know what I saw. I don't know. Whenever I watch a video of adoptees like this, it touches me in a way that it would probably not have, had I not witnessed that event that evening at the airport.
@PS-gw8sm
@PS-gw8sm 3 жыл бұрын
Because babies know the smell, sound, touch everything of their birth parents and therefore experience the pain of being separated.....
@HKim0072
@HKim0072 3 жыл бұрын
@@PS-gw8sm Yeah, but they don't remember it. I traveled alone at 2 from Korea to the US. Zero recollection.
@RainB-q3h
@RainB-q3h 5 жыл бұрын
As a Korean, I particularly appreciate this program. Everyone here offers precious stories so heartbreaking yet life affirming at the same time. I wish I could give all of you a giant hug. Thanks for sharing.
@writer1986
@writer1986 5 жыл бұрын
My husband is a Korean adoptee too. He recalls feeling “different” as a kid, and didn’t even know he was adopted into his now (Caucasian) family until third grade. As much as he loves his parents and is grateful for them, he still questions who his biological parents are.
@christelringelmann
@christelringelmann 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think I've ever seen such a thoughtful and touching video before.
@graceforanimals
@graceforanimals 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing these incredibly powerful stories. Also, thank you for providing the Korean subtitles, I can tell the translator worked hard to convey the emotions tied to the words, definitely not an easy task and very much appreciated. I hope this is viewed by many in Korea.
@sweetmali27
@sweetmali27 5 жыл бұрын
This video is so profound and full of heavy emotions. This is the reality of the world we are living in and I'm sorry for that.
@홍영기-m8c
@홍영기-m8c 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your Korean translation
@slowassnail5288
@slowassnail5288 5 жыл бұрын
This is so sad.. i could feel their pain. I could not stop crying..
@mandihebert959
@mandihebert959 5 жыл бұрын
I was a journalism major in college many years ago. Unfortunately, I avoid most major news outlets today because I feel they are one-sided and only want controversy. However, I very much enjoyed this insightful video. We learned about the Korean War in school. This really brings the aftermath of that war to life. Thank you to everyone who shared their stories here.
@Potetly
@Potetly 5 жыл бұрын
I’m also a Holt adoptee. I’m always curious about other adoptees’ experiences, especially Korean.
@HKim0072
@HKim0072 5 жыл бұрын
I think they have FB groups for Korean adoptees.. lol, I was in a yahoo group a long time ago for Korean adoptees.
@yz6122
@yz6122 5 жыл бұрын
It was painful listening to their testimonials. So much grief and pain being delivered. This is the tragic history which should never happen again.
@H37P5kY57
@H37P5kY57 5 жыл бұрын
I was abandoned at birth from Korea....9 months later my French Canadian parents got me and brought me to Canada and then eventually to the US...my sister prior was a Vietnam war baby that her plane crashed. I would say my sister and I are ok with being adopted. Throughout our childhood my brother being their natural born son (first born) - people would let us know how lucky my sister and I were to have struck the "lottery" with having affluent/celebrity parents. My mom was definitely the Angelia Jolie of her time in the early 70s.
@lilndnfeather
@lilndnfeather 5 жыл бұрын
PurrPurr how sad, them saying your lucky but not thinking about all you lost or how you felt about it.
@momiji7789
@momiji7789 5 жыл бұрын
@@lilndnfeather I mean if their mom really is the Angelina Jolie of her time, they definitely struck the lottery, no doubt about it. What sucks is that the people have the nerve to say it to their face though. That's just not proper manners at all, they should think it quietly.
@youngstaffswife2008
@youngstaffswife2008 5 жыл бұрын
Your mom Mia Farrow? If so, I love her. Tremendous actress and beautiful soul. If not... then idk who else would’ve been the Angelina Jolie of the 70’s. Ms. Farrow adopted so many ❤️ not many famous actresses adopted in that way.
@H37P5kY57
@H37P5kY57 5 жыл бұрын
@@youngstaffswife2008 no my mom was a model and then married my dad who won 3 Stanley Cups...
@eyeswideopen7777
@eyeswideopen7777 Жыл бұрын
​@@H37P5kY57are you happy with them
@happyeverafter7875
@happyeverafter7875 5 жыл бұрын
I wish I could say I had an amazing life after my adoption but I did not. I was abused as an for whatever reason unwanted child in Korea. And I was mentally and psychologically and sometimes physically abused from my adoptive parents. And I feel forever rootless. With no real birthday and left somewhere like trash as a young child. But no one understands that. They always tell me I should feel lucky I was adopted.
@elleh3495
@elleh3495 5 жыл бұрын
Miriam A. Profound loss: in the broken mammalian bonds; in the search for meaning; in the forever search for primal acceptance--for clan. Family photos: Your hair is black, your face is round, your eyes are thin ribbons. Your tongue: Speaks a language that your biological relatives never spoke; knows nothing of the language embedded in your DNA. You taste Kimchi and realize your hands and heart and brain were once made of that spicy brinyness buried in the earth, bursting onto your Caucasian-trained tastebuds, choking you on garlic, bitter, heat and something ancient. Manners: You are polite even though you are hot with the urge to scream and pull hair because you can't explain why your face is flat or your eyes are squinty. Self: You realize you are not alone; you become protective of other adoptees; there is a similar tone to most all the stories--there is a grace in which these stories must be handled and spoken and talked about to others. Because if not for grace, hearts could break. There is a fine line between thankfulness and bitterness. You deserved answers. You become not only your self, you become parent to that child that once was you--you replay that in your mind and then you shatter because you can't hold that child and use any meaningful words. A yellow car sped away under a blue sky and I sat on a green grass hill. I was hot and sweaty because I was sent on a plane wearing all my clothes I owned--cereal was stuck to the inside of my tiny little palms. I ran away at the airport when I had to meet my new mother. I don't remember that, but she does and its been 40 years. Each year that passes I hope that my birth mother was really young when she had me, so that when I get enough courage to try, there is still a possibility that she is alive to find. Every year I celebrate the birthday I was assigned by the agency. I don't know if I'm really a Capricorn because I feel Pisces. I have an anniversary of my arrival day each year. It becomes more painful the older I get. I want to know if this sense of loss is the adoption or if I am just separated from a twin I know nothing of. I sense it's the former. I listen to Korean language videos--recognizing only one word of the "100 most important". That was the word "hungry", which was the only word in English I could speak for many weeks when I arrived. Hungry. Yes, that word.
@MeimeiLovesmusic
@MeimeiLovesmusic 5 жыл бұрын
Miriam A. The world is sorry and sad for what happened to you!!! You can triumph over all tragedies!
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 3 жыл бұрын
Being adopted by abusive people is certainly not lucky.
@rotties-rules
@rotties-rules 5 жыл бұрын
Such heartbreaking stories I held my tears back until the very last story when the fathers cries his children's name whenever getting drunk. Thank you for opening my eyes.
@miameow4833
@miameow4833 5 жыл бұрын
I liked his attitude the best...he realized he was loved by his biological parents and his parents who adopted him and seems grateful things happened as it did.
@wez1975
@wez1975 5 жыл бұрын
I was separated from my biological mother when I was two and meeting her in my mid thirties wasn't the experience I had dreamed of or imagine for so long. I feel so much from my own visit to Korea and I always felt guilty about the disappointment and unanswered questions I had, why being the main one.
@Crumpets7377
@Crumpets7377 4 ай бұрын
The woman crying about being abandoned broke my heart. ❤️
@jjk7721
@jjk7721 Жыл бұрын
Truly wish the best for the people in the video, and every adoptee that has lost more than gained from their adoption. Hope u guys find your peace and comfort in life.
@pockyeatingpanda
@pockyeatingpanda 5 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on NYT- excellent job.
@YKim-yg5pi
@YKim-yg5pi 5 жыл бұрын
I’m a Canadian korean adoptee. This was a beautiful accurate video.
@mitsukikosan
@mitsukikosan 5 жыл бұрын
I was watching this at work not knowing how much this would make me cry
@JC-uy6te
@JC-uy6te 5 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this video very much as an adoptee. Most representations of adoptees focus on how lucky and how grateful we should be. While we can certainly be happy and grateful in our lives, there is also signifivant heartbreak, trauma and loss. I especially appreciated how the mixed race older women explained and approached the topic. Thank you very much to the New York Times and wish healing and happiness for all in the video.
@HKim0072
@HKim0072 5 жыл бұрын
Since Korean adoptions started early and the numbers are relatively high, many first person stories have come out in the past 10+ years. There are a lot of Korean adoptees that have created organizations and been trailblazers on these issues.
@jezebel324
@jezebel324 5 жыл бұрын
Pain, so much pain. But bittersweet. I’m grateful for the people that love these children, and that they could tell their stories.
@alfabravo80
@alfabravo80 5 жыл бұрын
Few things are more sad than these stories. Heartbreaking and powerful stuff.
@다람다람-c3d
@다람다람-c3d 5 жыл бұрын
여기에 있는 모든 분들의 이야기를 들으니까 매우 가슴이 아프고 안타까워요... 부디 힘들었던 만큼 앞으로 행복하길 바래요. 한국에서 응원합니다
@sunkoh9808
@sunkoh9808 5 жыл бұрын
It should not be easy to share their stories. I really appreciate it. I hope the past doesn't leave as traumatic memories and you live your happy life wherever you are.
@SNA2PHL
@SNA2PHL 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your lives. Interesting to hear stories of adoptees in their 40s-50s currently and their perspectives.
@merryxmaswarisover
@merryxmaswarisover 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your stories. You have taught me many lessons.
@bleuberry9636
@bleuberry9636 5 жыл бұрын
This was very powerful - thank you. As an adoptive parent of children who came to us through foster care in Canada, I know our story is different but it is so integral for adoptees to hear the stories of other adoptees. The importance of sharing these real, raw, beautiful + painful experiences is difficult to measure but so much of the stories shared resonate with other adoptees whose separation from their birth family wasn’t like the stories of planned, intentional local infant adoptions we hear so much more about in North America. The grief and loss, the trauma, the lifelong questions... these are all important to acknowledge so that we can learn to do better for children & youth NOW - and so we can do better in initial family preservation and in better processes for adoption, in education, and in support for adoptive families, and their schools, communities, employers, and places of worship, etc. Great video - thank you.
@mparker212
@mparker212 5 жыл бұрын
All these stories were very moving, and it's heart breaking to think about the sheer volume of people who have this sort of pain in their lives. Although this experience is not rampant in my generation, I found these works @14:35 to be very powerful when you try to mentally grasp the lifetime of guilt that his father - and doubtless many others - have had to live through. The decisions that people make, the consequences that they bear... it's hard to digest in a single lifetime. Thank you for sharing this story, NYT, and also for the subtitles. I'm a proud subscriber to your publication for many years now and I find that you get better with each passing year.
@annaandre9131
@annaandre9131 5 жыл бұрын
I am so sorry for the little kids you ones were and so happy for the strong beautiful articulate adults you are now.
@glamorbear
@glamorbear 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you New York Times for doing this. Can we hear from more adoptees like this please? And for the people who have chosen to "dislike" this video? ...
@큡큡-u1x
@큡큡-u1x 3 жыл бұрын
This is so powerful and beautifully spoken. As a Korean myself, I wish there was something I could do to help them. I feel like their motherland owes it to them. Thank you for sharing your stories and NY times for featuring.
@mariakim8737
@mariakim8737 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a korean adoptee. These stories and the pain resonates with me deeply. However I just want to say...what a crappy ending. Don't ever end adoptee stories with "I'm thankful". This is a way for viewers to get a glimps, but to also be able to go back to their carefree lives that includes NOT questioning why adoption is happening. The conversation about adoption needs to expand, and that is not done by wrapping it up with the same old mantra about "this was for the childs best" and "that we should be thankful".. Nooo America and every Hollywood-satisfying happy endings, NO! Our stories does not end with "I am thankful". Our stories deserve to be heard in the komplex ways that is the true reflection of adoption. Dare to be uncomfortable. To truly reach the viewers, and to cater TO ADOPTEES, the viewers should be left with a haunting feeling of uncertainness... Change the game. Start the conversation!
@equinox1470
@equinox1470 5 жыл бұрын
I feel the same way.
@reggieangus5325
@reggieangus5325 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, make you just dish away what these western powers did to brutalize non western ones for their war games. All around the world. Refugees and war, for what?
@dianalubis8325
@dianalubis8325 5 жыл бұрын
A thoughtful piece on personal feelings of these adoptees. Thank you for making this piece NYT.
@taeyeon6665
@taeyeon6665 5 жыл бұрын
번역 좋네요. 좋은 영상 감사합니다.
@nickisuhl
@nickisuhl 4 жыл бұрын
I cried so much watching this. My heart goes out to all of these people, to everyone losing their family for various reasons, and to all of the parents that had to let go.
@robshin8078
@robshin8078 5 жыл бұрын
What an incredibly impactful and humbling video. Thank you for sharing your stories. Thank you for this piece.
@exzelzo
@exzelzo 5 жыл бұрын
wow... this is deep, my tear is almost running down, Can't imagine had to give up a child to a stranger
@spicybrown75
@spicybrown75 5 жыл бұрын
The woman who was abandoned at 3 days old, her story just broke my heart. How can 1 not feel rejected and thats what she grieved instead of finding closure/triumph.
@JDPewPewPew
@JDPewPewPew 5 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry for all the pain they experienced. I hope they know they weren't given up lightly nor easily and that their parents suffered along with them.
@raqueljenson5972
@raqueljenson5972 5 жыл бұрын
I feel your pain, sadness, your emptiness, and I can feel how courageous, brave you are. Thank you 🙏🏼
@disappearintothesea
@disappearintothesea 2 жыл бұрын
Childhood trauma never goes away no matter how old you are.
@Sjalabais
@Sjalabais 4 жыл бұрын
Heartbreaking. They're all fine, they're all okay, but you can't ignore your original story. Every human carries it with them and it guides who they are. Thank you for being strong enough to share it with the world!
@mnaoitb1
@mnaoitb1 3 жыл бұрын
these stories are so heartbreaking, parents that adopt are angels on earth
@Brenda-cf8qe
@Brenda-cf8qe 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing this. I am so impressed with what great people they have become and the forgiveness they are able to express. I appreciate being able to see this.
@lvlinda6
@lvlinda6 5 жыл бұрын
This is so heartbreaking. Thank you for those who shared their stories. Sending healing {{Hugs}} 💖🌺🤗
@하고시푼고다해
@하고시푼고다해 5 жыл бұрын
Watching this video from thousands of miles away, I've learned a sad piece of my country's history. With comments sharing own experiences, I realized that this sad story is still going on even in my generation. I feel sorry for being ignorant so far and thank you for making this video with such a great translation!
@kristak.1625
@kristak.1625 5 жыл бұрын
To think there exists so much pain behind the words that were spoken and I know that this isn’t even the tip of the iceberg as to what they were fully feeling. Things like this don’t really go away and healing is a daily process. I wish you guys joy, you deserve it.
@indigobluerainbowsun
@indigobluerainbowsun 5 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful insight into their experiences. Their stories truly moved me
@melissaroscher1080
@melissaroscher1080 5 жыл бұрын
Hearing these stories are helping with my own grief story/childhood trama at the moment.
@katelynwindels6788
@katelynwindels6788 5 жыл бұрын
I can’t even imagine growing up with so many unanswered questions and so much self conflict as these people did. This sounds so hard.
@ryanson5858
@ryanson5858 5 жыл бұрын
자식을 키우는 아버지의 입장에서 참 가슴이 아픕니다. 이 분들이 겪었을 외로움이나 원망과 불안감이 얼마나 크고 무섭고 힘들었을지 상상조차 하기 힘듭니다. 여기에 나온 분들 모르는 분들이지만 항상 행복하시길 진심으로 바랍니다.
@quitesuzzily
@quitesuzzily 5 жыл бұрын
별 생각 없이 클릭했는데... 생각해 볼 기회조차 없었던 스토리 공유해주셔서 감사합니다. I can't forget the last words in this video, the man saying he appreciates what his father did... how selflessly forgiving.
@meelusine
@meelusine 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you to tell us those painful truth about adoptions. God protect you and your two families !
@youngheepark8586
@youngheepark8586 5 жыл бұрын
I am so embarrassed and also felt guilty as a Korean. I met one of Korean adoptee at my work. She was adopted to Australian family. I can see her deep sadness.... No matter what, being abandoned feeling isn't great, even they met a great new family... We have to stop sending babies to other country!!!!!!
@HKim0072
@HKim0072 5 жыл бұрын
umm, more Koreans abroad should step up and adopt then. I saw an Korean couple living in the states that adopted. Was the ideal scenario. Don’t have to be stigmatized in Korea and feel culturally comfortable in a different country.
@eyeswideopen7777
@eyeswideopen7777 Жыл бұрын
But why are they only adopted by non Korean family? Why not a Corean family
@hashemmatter5389
@hashemmatter5389 5 жыл бұрын
This is so sad my heart goes out to all the adoptees and their families
@D_isco_D_ancer
@D_isco_D_ancer 5 жыл бұрын
*Grief is a powerful thing amongst humans. Fantastic video.*
@acatinny
@acatinny 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is much sadder than I thought. But at least those who were adopted by good families were lucky ones. A couple years ago, I read the article on the middle aged guy who was deported back to Korea because his adopted parents mistreated him and did not do the proper paper work for him to be naturalized. Only one brighter side of these stories is that no more Korean kid has to shed tears like this because Korea is a wealthy nation now.
@EbuzzNYC
@EbuzzNYC 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, the follow up on him living in Korea is quite sad too, as Koreans are not as welcoming to foreigners. So he's a foreigner in both countries.
@SuperXmarvinX
@SuperXmarvinX 5 жыл бұрын
Is this guy, by any chance, the owner of a Mexican restaurant in Korea named El Pino?
@acatinny
@acatinny 5 жыл бұрын
@@SuperXmarvinX Nope, I saw the follow up video on youtube, and he was cutting hair of U.S. soldiers at the barbershop near the base.
@soy6505
@soy6505 5 жыл бұрын
Well, also the Korean government blocks foreigners from adopting children now because they lose culture. But there are also orphanages in Korea with children with no families, which might be worse than not having a good family
@dianeshigley2060
@dianeshigley2060 5 жыл бұрын
@@SuperXmarvinX No, that is another adoptee who was deported a while ago and who managed to adjust to the cultural and language changes and is doing quite well. The adoptee who Eddie Bustamante is referring to was deported as an adult and left behind a wife and children.
@lastday2274
@lastday2274 5 жыл бұрын
This was so moving. Thank you for sharing your stories.
@ginniem9779
@ginniem9779 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you to all these people who shared their stories with us.
@maatejow
@maatejow 5 жыл бұрын
I am myself adopted and I admire the streght of these people to find more information about their adoption and meet their biological families. I have got to a point in my life were I have lost all my interest of what happened to me before I came to Sweden. Growing up I had a hard time dealing with this issue. Not sure if I have just reached a state of denial now.
@miameow4833
@miameow4833 5 жыл бұрын
No, you are in acceptance...now even if you found them, it wouldn't matter much, you'd be strangers and have some physical and personality traits in common. You have your regular life to lead rather than focus on what could have been. I grew up never meeting my grandfather on either side, it used to bug me they died before I was born. I told my husband he was lucky to have his grandpa alive...I later just adopted his grandpa as my own until he died at 93. Still dream of him once in a while. He wasn't blood related but it didn't matter, he was mine util he died. :-)
@maatejow
@maatejow 5 жыл бұрын
@@miameow4833 Thank you for your encouraging words. I started thinking after what you wrote and yeah I think Im very content with my life today and the childhood I been given, that's probably why I feel this way today.
@강지니-e3k
@강지니-e3k 5 жыл бұрын
다들 얼마나 외롭고 힘든 시기를 보냈을까 생각하니 마음이 아픕니다~직접 겪지 않으면 헤아리기 어렵겠지요~견뎌주시고 극복해주셔서 감사합니다~평안과 행복이 가득하길 기원합니다
@martintremblay8249
@martintremblay8249 5 жыл бұрын
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@PHlophe
@PHlophe 5 жыл бұрын
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