Thank god he decided to drop VR, unfortunately it is just as frustrating watching him struggle with controls on PC because he can't read.
@BonerStars Жыл бұрын
Struggling with every game due to not being able to read is his shtick.
@chimosh Жыл бұрын
Console controls on pc
@kylesaavedra5400 Жыл бұрын
Pc controls are way easier than vr controls
@MyDRAGONGOLD Жыл бұрын
I am playing it in VR sometimes and I think maybe because of the VR headset he use or some setting he need to do because it work perfect for me
@Juggalo42240 Жыл бұрын
The VR mode on PS4 is pretty amazing...
@Billy.Bacsko Жыл бұрын
I like where he doesn't understand sodium is NA, and says the periodic table is stupid and should be different 😂
@deeezey_2239 Жыл бұрын
Most people coming into this game without basic level chem knowledge Hilarious overall
@arthurpendragon8192 Жыл бұрын
I neverh ad chem class in highschool because i went to a charter school where everything was book based, EVERYTHING. But at least i picked up somewhere sodium was thee wonky one where its chemical name was not S at the very least. :P @@deeezey_2239
@Yaro2 Жыл бұрын
I am constantly surprised by the lack of basic cemistry knowledge of most people lol.
@sandroelbers Жыл бұрын
Natrium
@ReedSolutions Жыл бұрын
@@Yaro2thank god for my passion and love for science.
@FLUIDITY_O Жыл бұрын
Just started playing no man’s sky and played 32 hours in 2 days… I’m too obsessed
@LuisMinguela-te2nl Жыл бұрын
Does it have single player without online service?
@foxyrapper Жыл бұрын
You can turn off network connection in options @@LuisMinguela-te2nl
@PlanetShlorpian Жыл бұрын
@@LuisMinguela-te2nlYes.
@Mr_wisk Жыл бұрын
@@LuisMinguela-te2nl yes
@thecrossmalonesmalone763 Жыл бұрын
Did you play in VR?
@emselurniak Жыл бұрын
I'm about 30 hours into nms and have barely done much of anything main story wise. But I've seen and done so much just freeroaming and exploring. The difference between the game now and when I played it at release is insane. There's so much to see and every planet feels like something new to explore. And there's enough little things scattered around to keep you moving and then finding new things constantly.
@thecrossmalonesmalone763 Жыл бұрын
Did you play in VR?
@akdreamer6497 Жыл бұрын
That feeling never goes away. I'm at like 700 hrs. Game is awesome
@deeezey_2239 Жыл бұрын
At some point you'll need to crack the story to get blueprints Especially If you come across atlas Butt man the story quests are nuts read the dialogue!! You'll be feeling very small in the universe by the end😂
@hpmc7426 Жыл бұрын
Sean laughing in his dreams knowing what Starfield turned out to be.
@Dudesidabe Жыл бұрын
Remember everyone, Dyslexia is a buff
@Mehermagerk Жыл бұрын
Started playing NMS recently and it's now the only thing I'm playing very relaxing and there is so much to do.
@LM-nb7rj Жыл бұрын
The part where he was flying with the VR headset and flight controls looks so fucking COOL!!!
@SilverCyric9 ай бұрын
It is! Natural in game HOTUS is great with a little practice. It’s very immersive as you enter atmo and the heat builds up around you and the ship shakes slightly. First time I repaired a frigate, I was almost crawling out of fear of falling off the side of the ship. There is a significant difference in watching a character on a screen and actually experiencing the gameplay with your own 2 hands. ✌️
@T0mT4yl0r Жыл бұрын
Playing No Man's Sky in VR, and I'm totally in love with that game.
@UndercoverNormie Жыл бұрын
Why though? Just exploration?
@SuperCatacata Жыл бұрын
VR games are still dogshit and an overpriced scam
@xennori1409 Жыл бұрын
Same.
@whatarewedoinghere42 Жыл бұрын
@@UndercoverNormie Yes, some just like the exploration part. Travelling from galaxy to galaxy and even though they all look quite the same, it really awakens the Wanderlust in me. Gradually grinding your way up to better gear... Still discovering new stuff hundreds of hours in. Don't need any competition in here, that's poison.
@quetz6335 Жыл бұрын
@@UndercoverNormie its the immersive experience
@TheKniteOwl2686 Жыл бұрын
It’s funny I feel like both games would be much better if they each had what the other is lacking. NMS has hardly any story. Starfield has no real exploration.
@Thakkii Жыл бұрын
ye lol but NMS exploration is not something out of this world as well , hey if you like it you like it , but either game is not for me after a couple days playing both
@TheKniteOwl2686 Жыл бұрын
@@Thakkii I have yet to see a released game that has out of this world space/planet exploration. I just don’t feel the technology is there for anything mass market. Yeah some would say star citizen but that’s not really a mass market game and who knows when it will ever be fully released. It will be a while before we ever see a game that has really good space, planet exploration
@Belegaren Жыл бұрын
you do realize that NMS has no story for a reason?
@TheKniteOwl2686 Жыл бұрын
@@Belegaren yes I’ve played the game 100+ hours and I love the game. But I always wished while playing it had a story. Bc the sand box stuff is cool but it just feels boring and repetitive after a while
@Belegaren Жыл бұрын
not with the way the game is set up, no@@TheKniteOwl2686
@StormRaid417 Жыл бұрын
No Man's Sky is a real challenge. My first time playing it I had no idea what to do and I never watched a tutorial on it before my first game. It took me an hour to get off the first planet because I was collecting resources and exploring caves.
@TandarenBGR Жыл бұрын
No Man's Sky > Starfailed The exploration has been very enjoyable to watch, discovering new places, species and stuff.
@david2727 Жыл бұрын
Starfield is a rpg not a space sim. Stop comparing them.
@mattcubed9658 Жыл бұрын
@@david2727 no man's sky is a rpg as well. Quit being silly.
@mattcubed9658 Жыл бұрын
@@fallenmercury Yeah starfields ai sucks
@panda93247 Жыл бұрын
3:03 - My parents walk into the room and ask wtf I'm watching
@eeveeofalltrades4780 Жыл бұрын
By the way, if you see a creature that looks like a spiky thing that rolls around (or probably anything that rolls around, really), do NOT attack it, and if it starts attacking you on its own, run away and get in your ship. That thing can stunlock you and kill you easier than threat level 5 Sentinels. I'm telling you from experience.
@MoZz.. Жыл бұрын
wathing someone playing a game in VR with no experience in that specific game. is like watching cancer grow in your brain. No thanks.
@Metaljacket420 Жыл бұрын
This game is great in VR but I probably wouldn't start my first playthrough in VR
@GauravMahajanAvaron Жыл бұрын
I am all in No Man's SKy, mostly because I don't want to slog through the menus just to land on a fucking planet in Starfield. In NMS, you can literally punch a hole through the entire planet
@CrosswaIk Жыл бұрын
Christ, when NMS came out I took off a week from work. I played for 2 days then went back to work early
@Pirate85getready Жыл бұрын
Same 😂 - but hell what a game it have become since 2016 ❤
@CrosswaIk Жыл бұрын
@@Pirate85getreadyamen to that. Totally different game now
@mattb6646 Жыл бұрын
"Carbon seems like a common material.." umm yeah bud, it is
@danielnator123456 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit he struggled so hard to understand the most basic shit...
@ThunderingRoar Жыл бұрын
you just described every new quin playthrough
@msf47 Жыл бұрын
dude when he took off with his ship it was so cool
@andrewbergamann7982 Жыл бұрын
Starfield is the best advertisement No Man's Sky has got in years 🥰
@turboturkey7236 Жыл бұрын
Right?! Sean would probably kiss Todd after Starfield’s release lol
@apex9806 Жыл бұрын
Everything in this game is "earned" through patience and exploration. They will not spoon-feed you, they will not GUIDE you. Explore, find out, and enjoy it. There is a lot to uncover.
@10Endless01 Жыл бұрын
Nice, good to see you took my advice and tried out No Man's sky. Its a Great game! Rock on!
@religionlol7323 Жыл бұрын
If NMS had a bunch of enemies to fight, guns, ammo, crafting it would be so much better. I don't like using a multi tool on stupid flying robots constantly.
@ExycutiveExy Жыл бұрын
it has different guns and lasers you can attach to your tool, which also req ammo. Enemys on the other hand are a bit scarce. Crafting gets pretty big later on and you can unlock a veriety of tech.
@YaaSalty...0_o Жыл бұрын
Yeah the game has all of this and it's all in that thing you don't wake the multi-tool I didn't like it at the beginning either it but it grows on you there's a bunch of sweet different multi tools you can get and you can get a bunch of different upgrades
@omensoffate Жыл бұрын
It does ? Lol
@YaaSalty...0_o Жыл бұрын
@@omensoffate absolutely I suggest looking into the multi-tool and the enemies you can fight. The game doesn't explain everything great in the beginning because all these cool features came out after the game launched
@mattb6646 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see them implement combat
@revakriid3 ай бұрын
Chat is diabolical saying NA+ lmaooooo
@sinisterpink9907 Жыл бұрын
Very glad hes trying this
@ogkdr Жыл бұрын
Came for Sodium69, stayed for the outro music. Still such a banger.
@arkarosh7043 Жыл бұрын
Quinn: Why is this so hard Me: Cause you play in VR and i wouldnt know what to do with some hours in the game *sipstea*
@Bloodyshinta1 Жыл бұрын
honestly looking the oppsite directino of the UI is probably the biggest hurdle he had. He needed to use the in game turning options to keep the HUD in front of himself so he could get constant information. Although this is Quin we're talking about, so he probably wouldn't read any of it anyway lolw.
@Scaley_Reptile Жыл бұрын
Lol, Hello games seems worried about losing players to Starfield, and yes kind of did, but also PICKED UP a lot of players... I play this game and FAR prefer it over Starfield.
@IanPhilmore Жыл бұрын
NMS controls are already tough for new players. Learning the game in VR is masochistic
@Psycorde Жыл бұрын
Quin never fails to be intertarded
@FloDrum2107 Жыл бұрын
Honestly first day was so funny with all the Vr scuff and shit. I never played NMS but downloaded and been having a good ass time
@hypotheticalliberty3007 Жыл бұрын
The learning curve is steep
@mrbeans2425 Жыл бұрын
Yes we should Change the Periodic table for Quinn69. lmfao
@xecyc7951 Жыл бұрын
Actually great game and Quinn is just loving that shit.
@ct2xperience749 Жыл бұрын
"I NEED SODIUM!!.." Here! Have some Ramen 🙃
@AlfredShi1986 Жыл бұрын
Almost 800 hours of NMS but I never played NMS with VR, I dont have VR headset, the VR mode is really cool, maybe I ll try myself one day when I have budget for a VR. As for Starfield, its just Fallout without seamless map, the warfare is much better than NMS but that's the only plus when comparing both. And for shooting and space battle gameplay there are a bunch of games I can choose from, but for space sandbox exploration there aren't any game that can compare with NMS till now. IMO Starfield is even worse than Fallout, it's a mistake since the game designing in the beginning, a fast-paced RPG shooting game is incompatible with NMS-like world, they should have been inspired more from Mass Effect than NMS.
@tdewtx Жыл бұрын
I really like watching people play nms for the first time, but rarely will they read the lower right corner that tells them what when and how to do everything. .
@jasoncallow86010 ай бұрын
This guy needs a chill pill, holy crap, I thought I was neurotic
@zwanlo5101 Жыл бұрын
it's like a toddler tryin to figure out lego puzzle
@jacobwiman3733 Жыл бұрын
More, even without VR
@apex9806 Жыл бұрын
The VR will skew his opinion of the game, so it was frustrating to watch him struggle and complain so much when the game is so beautiful and amazing. I really hope he starts the game again by on PC with a good setup and clear mind. Especially since he is a streamer and his playthrough will affect other people's opinion on the game.
@honeybadger781 Жыл бұрын
Quin did a great job setting up the VR but the audio was a bit scuffed.
@mhv8232 Жыл бұрын
"Bad at every game" lmao
@Rexhunterj Жыл бұрын
Vr was not the right starting choice for this game. It does not hold your hand during the tutorial, you should start this game with standard controls on a PC or a gamepad, learn the basics then go back to VR, learning to not only move and control yourself in VR is a nightmare while also being hounded by the tutorial killing you.
@looneybinsin5971 Жыл бұрын
how can a guy rate any game when he himself cannot even finish a tutorial without dying
@ombra711 Жыл бұрын
Extreme planets are cursed, you'll be lucky to find what you need to not die, especially on HARDCORE
@CamG-rw8cn Жыл бұрын
Wow VR gameplay is hard to watch
@iamplay797 Жыл бұрын
Irs crap
@randomhero6365 Жыл бұрын
No way people are saying nms is better than starfield LOL.. the only thing better is flying and thats it
@DarkPaladin1130 Жыл бұрын
It is tho ☝️
@lieberte Жыл бұрын
Actually being able to freely move in the solar system is already a giant plus compared to loading screen simulator
@chadbassett8381 Жыл бұрын
I haven't died yet. Thanks for letting me know how it looks. Lol
@Danny2k34 Жыл бұрын
Dude was so salty about not getting a release key, he forced himself to play NMS and in VR too! Oh boy. The only good VR games from a viewers perspective are horror ones.
@kurtmooreca Жыл бұрын
come on Quin youve had to heard of the NaCl meme by now....or Salt if you will, 1 part Sodium 1 Part Chloride. Or ya know Na, and Cl. Grade 7 stuff my dude!
@Frznrcn Жыл бұрын
I have become a much more sane and balanced person since I stopped watching the stream and just watch the youtube highlights instead.
@xsoundofsil3nc3x963 ай бұрын
No man’s sky is just so boring. I find Starfield to be far more fun and interesting with storylines, faction quests, more interesting combat, the RPG elements, characters, ship customization, it’s just so much more. On no man’s sky you run around a purple cartoon planet collecting carbon with a pewpew lazer and get in a ship that you can’t even explore or customize. I’ll never understand how people find NMS enjoyable unless your a big Minecraft fan
@steamavila1818 Жыл бұрын
I dunno why but I hate watching games in VR mode, maybe the experience for the person using the VR is good, but what I mean is watching the streamers and so.
@laesy Жыл бұрын
Starfield is so bad that No Man's Sky saw a very noticeable increase in players after it launched. Without the crappy VR controls it should be enjoyable, it was very funny watching him struggle tho
@Rafsaurus Жыл бұрын
imagine the clips if quin played this game on launch, i bet he wishes he could, so much unfarmed content
@Derpyderpderper Жыл бұрын
is bro dyslexic or is he just don't wanna be bothered with reading
@sirarthurkingofbobland4159 Жыл бұрын
Kafkaesque
@stellarhyme3 Жыл бұрын
This was hard to attempt to watch. No one can be this annoying & bad at a game at the same time. He needs to chill & read what the game tells you.
@Rinsii-y6k Жыл бұрын
This was hilarious to watch
@ricardocalderon9823 Жыл бұрын
nice vr skillz thats some good succ
@evanwater3633 Жыл бұрын
Amazing soy face thumbnail quin
@HenkaFX Жыл бұрын
fun fact : NMS is also in the gamepass and soooooo much better than starfield in so many ways. my tip is get if for PSVR2 - best overall expieriece, and the adaptive triggers just fkn rock at mining and shooting 🙂
@lancenig Жыл бұрын
What....you can play in VR?!?!?!
@Sophie2570 Жыл бұрын
Yup, on pc and playstation
@henyourface Жыл бұрын
HOTAS support already in NMS?
@xyzmti Жыл бұрын
why does he sound like a kiwi again in vr
@kill3rgamingxd114 Жыл бұрын
Lol bra atleast I ain't struggling on starfield like this dude lol
@MultiOskaras Жыл бұрын
VR sucks to watch tho
@JButterZJ5 ай бұрын
no mans skys combat is really bad and boring, ship combat is FINE-ish but ground combat is the worst in a lot of games ive seen its so bland and boring and u dont have real enemies if theyx would actually fix that the game would be good
@pedaleou Жыл бұрын
VR is the way to go with this game!
@Delusional-People Жыл бұрын
Let's swap 1 mid game for another mid game .... Classic
@SilverWhitefang Жыл бұрын
Maybe need to stop playing it in VR for the first time lol.
@palacinkata Жыл бұрын
KLOWN 69
@-dmm Жыл бұрын
Ah a great cool game with actual no content to try and "Prove" Starfield is ass. Trust me, I played No Man Sky with no storyline no multiplayer and bugs and even with the big updates, the game still just feels stale and empty. I understand the game looks amazing on paper and visuals with youtube videos but that all lasts for a very little while. I also understand Starfield didn't live up to peoples expectations however Starfield was designed in a way with practicality. And that's with loading screens and limiting you to tiles on a planet. Which I believe saves areas for Graphics and other mechanics to be able to be done. Yes Flying to planets feels good and looks good however it gets extremely tedious and not so practical anymore taking sometimes even Minutes to land to an area. Also flying over the planet in the atmosphere looking at absolutely nothing but emptiness. I honestly don't think we will ever see that "space" game any time soon. The only one I consider a space space game is star citizen and look at how many people play that game. Not that many. I wonder why an actual space game no one's raving and jumping on ? Well it's because of accessibility and the practicality of it. NO one wants to understand it and instead just have it work and work fast
@deinernst1235 Жыл бұрын
quin0/7 again
@xcams4599 Жыл бұрын
Starfield is the better game on launch day compared to NMS launch day. People need to realize they are comparing a 7 yr old game compared with tons of updates to a week old game. Its not even the same game. Don't know why its being compared tbh. Dude went from a "boring game" to another "boring game" lol!
@nicholasevans5518 Жыл бұрын
No man’s sky was made by 26 people.
@RobCrusoe20 Жыл бұрын
Nms had no loading screens, seamless orbit to surface and unlimited planets to explore on launch day...shit was revolutionary even without any content
@xcams4599 Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasevans5518 so....? People want this insane game that is not possible right now. Star Citizen is trying and failing horribly and will probably never come out! When making a game you have to sacrifice some aspects of the game. Bethesda went another direction than NMS. You saying 26 people made it does not make my statement wrong...
@xcams4599 Жыл бұрын
@@RobCrusoe20 yea your right it was and is revolutionary. But nowhere in your statement did you say good. You did say NMS had no content. Which is true too. Do people not remember the DISASTER the NMS launch was??? Game was boring with no content. Main guy was caught the 1st day of launch to where he stopped responding on all social media completely. Game stop had the game on sell for $8 shortly after launch. And was considered DOA. But the devs didn't give up and has made something insane if you're looking for that type of gameplay.
@RabidBeast45 Жыл бұрын
@@RobCrusoe20 NMS does have loading screens, they just mask them with pretty animations and a timer. I'd rather wait 2 seconds in starfield and get to a star on the other side of the universe than wait for an arbitrary timer to go down to 0. Also having content to do instead of just... flying around and mining the same shit just to be able to fly again is *boring*. You can do the same thing in starfield without having to grind just to do it. Can't believe there are real people who think NMS is in any way better than starfield.
@ethanwasme4307 Жыл бұрын
starfield is going to sit with fallout 4 in the less that 30 hours played category... just bought nms and got my shit activated, crafting is convoluted but we'll see
@CrabJuice83 Жыл бұрын
lol VR is still just a massive meme idiots with more money than sense fell for.
@thegambalingsuit555 Жыл бұрын
Star field is not a bad game lmao how delusional do you gotta be
@cro2310 Жыл бұрын
Annoying
@kimalsegaminglife979 Жыл бұрын
damm read bro xD
@kazimirmcfoster5631 Жыл бұрын
LOL
@dlazyace9116 Жыл бұрын
psvr2 better and cleaner for NMS
@trumplostlol3007 Жыл бұрын
No Man's Sky is a much better game, now with VR. It is a much better game even without VR. LOL
@mistaJ. Жыл бұрын
So, you basically downgraded
@GameBoy-hd2eg Жыл бұрын
You have the most misleading thumbnail imaginable. Yeah it's 7 minutes to land... IF YOU ARENT USING THE DAMN PULSE DRIVE! Like seriously dude?
@Necrosis-gt1zc Жыл бұрын
No man sky is really mediocre
@T0mT4yl0r Жыл бұрын
you have no clue, dont you
@Necrosis-gt1zc Жыл бұрын
@@T0mT4yl0r what do you mean by that?
@danrause Жыл бұрын
Stop yelling, calm down and think before you act. What this guy makes look extremely difficult is pretty damn simple when you just shut up and pay attention for a second, even in hardcore vr.
@MyndZero Жыл бұрын
Amazing that he decided to go play an even worse game.
@andrewadams530 Жыл бұрын
Tbh, I've been watching a bunch of NMS videos since starfield flopped and it looks like it's made huge strides since launch.
@iamplay797 Жыл бұрын
Lol yea i never played either but this game looks like hot garbage to be sure just by watching him
@YouTubeCensors Жыл бұрын
@@andrewadams530someone tell the Clown of this video here's his Sodium in Human form. A salty af Pony
@cazador8744 Жыл бұрын
You should stop living in 2016 lmao. It do be good now. Quin just still not try to figure things out.
@MyndZero Жыл бұрын
@@cazador8744 Just because it's improved doesn't mean it's still not a worse game, incase you couldn't figure that out.
@eetfuk4664 Жыл бұрын
VR is the future btw 13:23
@irokumataPT13 Жыл бұрын
He's not wearing the headset properly, valve literally has videos showing how to do it.
@rolandalphs7022 Жыл бұрын
First Baseg
@Arkane_HC Жыл бұрын
third
@ZVManning Жыл бұрын
You can't even compare the 2 outside of the genre. No cares, we get it you don't like starfield weoowwwww
@danyjacco4853 Жыл бұрын
Lol 😂 this guy is screaming all the just to get likes! That's pathetic
@iamplay797 Жыл бұрын
This game looks gross 😝 And VR needs another 10 years of development minimum to be enjoyable
@trumplostlol3007 Жыл бұрын
Not really. PSVR 2 is good. The problem is not PSVR 2 but PS5. PS5 does not have the power to make GT7 perfect. Wait for PS6. But NMS on PSVR 2 is almost perfect. It looks wonder. The controllers aren't great for this game though. The PS5 controllers are way better. LOL
@biasannihilator6146 Жыл бұрын
@@trumplostlol3007they are optimizing the ps5 pro to better work with the psvr2
@trumplostlol3007 Жыл бұрын
@@biasannihilator6146 I will wait for PS6. PSVR 2 needs something like a rtx3090 to show its true power.
@apex9806 Жыл бұрын
All he had to do was go in settings and allow the HUD display to always be in front of him. That's not the game's fault lol.
@david2727 Жыл бұрын
No man is pretty fun..when a new dlc comes out after that it is over it gets boring fast and no "wow i can land on a planet can change that."
@larissagladfelter9570 Жыл бұрын
No mans sky is the shit dude..Starfield isnt even close
@trumplostlol3007 Жыл бұрын
Starfield is really an alpha game with tons of bugs. It is a shame that Microsoft decided to release it. And there is zero replayability for Starfield.
@RabidBeast45 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, flying to and from barren wastelands just to farm more fuel to fly to the next barren wasteland. NMS is trash even after an additional 7 years of dev time. Starfield has more content now than NMS likely ever will. Lets not even talk about when the DLC start to come in for starfield.
@larissagladfelter9570 Жыл бұрын
@@RabidBeast45 copium...Don't worry, your next "Triple A" experience will be out soon enough so that you can pre order the most expensive edition, unlock your super duper battle pass and buy all the skins to brag to your other whale fan boy friends. You eat paste. You clearly haven't even played No Man's Sky or you'd know ships don't use fuel
@trumplostlol3007 Жыл бұрын
@@RabidBeast45 The linear story lines make games like Starfield and Half Life Alyx stupid. There are a lot more real content and gameplay in NMS. You can fellow the quests, but you are not required to follow the quests in NMS. It is a real FREE strategy game. Barren? You can build your base under the water. You can hunt the mother ship. You can hunt the sentinel creatures. You can be a private. You have farming, mining, killing, ... in NMS. You can have your own settlement. You can ride some creatures and fly around on the top of a giant bird. You can play with your friends and but a space community with them. AND NMS has VR. LOL
@RabidBeast45 Жыл бұрын
@@trumplostlol3007 Imagine thinking the point of a bethesda game is the main story lmao. VR is a gimmick that 0.1% of people use, so its a non argument right off the bat. You can also build a settlement, mine, explore, run around in starfield. You can also make your custom character, craft weapons and armor, make and smuggle drugs to make money, hunt animals and harvest plants to do said crafting, steal and sell ships and any loot on them, hunt criminals or be one yourself, transport cargo and or people and so so much more. Remind me again how a game that took over a decade (yes including dev time before release) to get any content in is better than the game that has all of this on release. Starfield will be remembered fondly for years to come like all games from bethesda before it. NMS will only be mentioned alongside it, forever living in its shadow.