I Went All-In with Qingque | Pokke Reacts

[@mrpokkee]

Let me know if you prefer an in-depth breakdown of my own run (like Himeko), or a general breakdown of all 4 participants. (To be fair my run was too fast and it all depended on the Tile Gods, so not much to analyse...) Something to add: on top of the heals, killing general first = no more mobs which concentrates the MOC blessing on the main target, just my 2 cents 😬

[@GodDoggos]

hi Mr Pokke. I now realize there was at least 674 things i couldve done better. My training arc starts now. Next time we're 0 cycling solo dan heng.💀

[@mrpokkee]

Next time slap me if I take rm bronya 💀

[@SerraAbyssAlisaris]

Just Hire me for free GodDoggos im a great coach 😂❤😂😅

[@LisaraScarlet]

Just want to comment a bit on your comment on Moon's run. It actually was very possible to do a 2-cycle clear but I can understand that Moon isn't a sweaty player. I actually told her that she should not let the turbulence kill the horse but let it live with some HP so she can gather energy for her Sampo before entering 2nd wave. So you were pretty much on point on that part where Moon was trying to press Sampo's ultimate. She could've had that ultimate ready and possibly shave 1 cycle off her run. I'm glad that you emphasized that "to be fair, you took Ruan Mei and Bronya" from Doggos because honestly, the hate he is receiving is unwarranted. Having you give your thoughts in this matter should calm some people down. Anyways, GGs! I had fun with this tournament. Everyone did well.

[@mrpokkee]

Double DDD 🗿

[@zmkatsu4885]

@@mrpokkee its normal for 20$ account😂

[@Moonnverse]

I built my QQ bc of you

[@LittleMissZackyVee]

i also want to build mine cause of this run

[@mrpokkee]

Hope you don’t bench sampo after BS 🗿

[@Moonnverse]

@@mrpokkee gonna use scampo one side black swan other side wind nihility stonks 🗿

[@FajarNurdiansyah]

Moon’s Pela had better Crit value than Doggo’s DPS carry 😅 RNG is rough

[@evanprimeau3810]

The S5 Lightcone is powerful, absolutely, but that's an additional 120 Pulls of resources for a relatively nominal increase in efficiency for Bronya. Sure, it's strong, and people would love to have it, but 120 Pulls is, at worst, one Standard Banner Character and close to pity on a Limited. Also, considering the 75% pull rate on the Lightcone Banner, it could ALSO easily be 2 Signature Lightcones your other characters. It should go without saying that the first copy of a Lightcone is at least 70% of the Lightcone's power, since you want the Signature Lightcone for it's Base Stats and special abilities, and the scaling afterward is secondary. I could be wrong on this, but I do believe that having 2 more Signature Lightcones on your Limited characters will be strictly better than 4 additional copies of Bronya's Lightcone: I'd venture it's not even CLOSE. So, looking at it that way, buying dupes from the shop should probably be considered Whale Bait.

[@shwix6534]

Good points 👌

[@Kamishi845]

I think some characters do benefit more from this than others especially for damage dealers. Getting 30% CR from their signature LC is massive and allows for much better build flexibility elsewhere. I for example run an 11% CR gloves on my Dan Heng because I can't hit the 70% threshold without it. I mean, 11% is pretty big, but I'd rather have the ability to get more attack, defensive stats or CD on these gloves than CR, since CR is a dead stat once you cap it out. Which just reinforces the other video Mr. Pokke made about getting signature LC for damage dealers, because they are usually just more difficult to build efficiently.

[@evanprimeau3810]

@@Kamishi845 Absolutely, but to take that logic one step further, most Lightcones that give Crit Stats give 30-ish crit value, either 16% Crit or 32% Crit Damage, respectively. The numbers vary a bit from Lightcone to Lightcone, but what doesn’t vary is that an S5 Lightcone usually doubles the Crit Value the item gives. What that means is that 2 S1 Lightcones are giving you the same effective Crit value over two different characters as one S5 Lightcone! That’s also not counting the unique parts of those Lightcones, like applying additional debuffs for Dr. Ratio’s, shredding defense like Jingliu’s, Energy Recharge like Dan IL’s, so on so forth. For every dupe you get of one Lightcone, you could have FAR more value with a first copy of another signature Lightcone, to an incredible degree.

[@ByteMe1000]

Bro WTH is wrong with this comment and replies 😂

[@evanprimeau3810]

@@ByteMe1000 Unless you care to add something substantial here, the only comment that's wrong is yours. What kind of moron does it take to leave a comment like this? Do you really think you're adding any kind of value, or are you just lashing out because you don't understand the game well enough to engage with the discussion, and it made you feel stupid?

[@tsuki5993]

i wish all four of you joins the competition again, it's honestly fun to watch how differently all of you tackled this MOC, it's insane!

[@distritochristianangeloa.157]

I love the general analysis of everyone's run better since you can see different perspective in whether the run can be optimize or other moves they can do in certain situations

[@AzureDrag0n1]

Saving Bronya's ultimate did nothing at 17:00 since QQ was in her enhanced state which would have extended the duration of Bronya's ultimate. Basically in the second rotation when he uses Bronya ultimate QQ would still be a 2 turns of buff remaining so imo it was a mistake not to use Bronya ultimate since he could have missed a crit.

[@harvest_tactics]

I loved watching both teams and hearing your thought process on all 4 players was really great. This MOC 12 was challenging and I hope they keep releasing challenging content because I find the strategizing and sweaty gaming the most interesting part of HSR's gameplay. I hope every future MOC 12 gets us all a little sweaty to keep things interesting!

[@digital-underworld]

Doggos run could have been optimized better by 4 cycles but thats with full hindsight considering that we never would have known if that marastruck mob would have targeted Yukong or not which should bring that to 3. One thing I'd like to point out though is if he used Silverwolf ult on General in the in the 2nd wave he could have potentially killed the general with the turbulence. Destiny's run was perfect understanding of DoT, Def shred and Break Effect. Pokke's run had Qingque, Gamba within the Gamba. Just goes to show we're all addicts here. Dreams run I hope to one day replicate this but with Seele and Huo Huo.

[@therranolleo468]

double DDD setup on a slow DPS with hyperspeed supports sure is something to behold

[@shotgunshogun4707]

I mean sampo stonks are at an absolute high after the "funny bone" god tier video from hoyofair...that video lives in my head rent free. All in all tho, this was rly fun to watch and also no need to throw hate at doggos...we all know he has a lot of knowledge with all the wonky videos he makes and if he had more options/luck he'd get a way better clear. Let the people have their fun.

[@germanvtubertranslations]

I can understand the philosophy of ignoring the general. His healing has no value if he’s already at full health, and as you said, Yukong and SW are mostly there to do toughness damage, so it’s okay if he heals whatever little health damage they did. But I’m still not sure if it was the right play.

[@alexzee4356]

I can see the idea too, but its less optimal if u have the capability to burst the general while also breaking the genral, because tbf, the 2 mara struck absorbing the turbulance damage so much. U can guarantee to deal 140-200k to that horse if u manage to burst the general depending on your turbulence stack

[@l0st1nv0id]

The problem is that a lot of bonus damage from Turbulence is wasted on the general, he just heals everything up. Bursting the general should be an optimal move, but if you fail to do that he would basically negate all the damage you’ve dealt to him with the healing. But I believe Doggos had a fair chance at bursting him down with buffed Dan Hengs ult and e (assuming all crits)

[@ezraek2043]

Yeah, the problem here I think was he played like we ‘normally’ play, where this would be a good move. But for MoC we got to abuse those buffs for the juicy scores. It is misleading that everyone keeps honing in on the general’s ability to heal because they aren’t explaining the MoC buff soak that makes it all click. “He’s generating a lot of adds to soak the MoC buff and then heals that chip damage back up - this probably wasn’t the play” would have painted the picture a lot better for everyone. But this is a new format and they are all learning. I love these things.

[@Behgork]

attacking the general first only matters really if you have aoe attacks on the team so the spill over dmg isn't wasted by him healing back up. on a team with mostly single target attackers it doesn't offer much advantage, so long as the focus is on one target.

[@vitraaa_]

The general drains its own hp to enter the healing state. So you’re literally losing out on extra damage that way.

[@l0st1nv0id]

The Turbulence damage is wasted on him

[@abdulwaduod11]

Well played Mr pokke your 20 USD account is very strong

[@mrpokkee]

Pull better 🗣️🔥

[@daichi1069]

s5 bronya lightcone with 4 superimpositions bought from the shop is around 120 pulls,, yeahhh i would definitely choose a basically guaranteed unit over 20% extra dmg boost and 8% err (which only ensures a skill skill basic ult w penacony/vonwacq or if she gets hit once without err set). honestly pretty bad advice to give f2p players. its only really recommended for spenders like you since spenders have an abundance of starlight.

[@ParadoX-os]

Yeah, no matter how you look at it, going for Bronya's LC S5 is a whale move because whales get all units anyway with money, so they can use the currency to make the LC S5.

[@rochdilucas4533]

​@@ParadoX-osor just save stardust...it aint that difficult you dont need to Rush it 😂

[@ParadoX-os]

@@rochdilucas4533 Sure buddy. Anyone who isn't a whale will save for almost 2 years their stardust just to get Bronya's LC at S5. You sound dumb 😂Objectively speaking, using the stardust on pulls when you need to hit those guarantees will be far more valuable than waiting almost 2 years for an LC to turn S5. Once again, saving stardust is possible for those who already get every character anyway using money, just like MrPokke does. But hey dude, if you want to go for S5 of the LC and skip on getting characters, go for it. You are allowed to make bad choices. It's your account 😂

[@Zerromi]

God, as a Sampo believer, watching yours go apeshit is *so* satisfying. :D

[@dinzzz0000]

how can you tell whether you proc your follow up on qq based on the dice ??

[@ezraek2043]

If you had used that Ruan Mei skill in Round One, it might have been back up for Round Two when you were just a bit shy. Not sure because we never saw the numbers though.

[@vulpixel]

This gameplay shows EXACTLY why sparkle will replace bronya for QQ. Multiple times, pokke misses out on massive damage, because there aren’t enough skill points to QQ big turn into Bronya into QQ super turn. You can speed tune so that sparkles 50% advance lets your teammates squeeze between to refill skill points, so you can go ham every QQ turn.

[@Rysto32]

The problem with that is that every teammate that squeezes in to generate SP is also drawing a tile for QQ and making it more likely that she gets a full hand early and misses out on a big turn. It's a very difficult balancing act: take too many turns and you run out of SP and don't get a full hand. Take too few turns and you get the full hand too early and don't get to spend that SP. And it's all RNG so you can't plan out the perfect rotation; all that you can do is play the odds.

[@bewitted1169]

I’ve seen leaked gameplay of Sparkle with QQ e6, and she still suffers from sp and rng problems. It also doesnt help QQ due to the fact that Sparkle is only +1 sp.

[@troy2223]

To do that sparkle will have to be double qingque speed and even so the additional sp when you squeeze won't even be that good since that's more chance of getting 4 of a kind early.

[@jowaynenicholson4056]

At the end what does ddd mean?

[@ThorDrJones]

well if the general wasn't attacked so he didn't lose hp so all that healing is wasted kinda and doesn't matter.. when the other enemies are down then he can easily focus fire and kill the general before he heals

[@QMS9224]

Chat I’m in a dilemma I need pokke’s gigachad chat advice. I need a wind dps should I get blade or black swan. Im at 74 pity, and with the release of pure fiction I actually think blade will shine so I keep going back and forth. I have kafka sampo e6 and lynx e6, I also have jingliu. Will black swan be good in PF? I feel dots fall off in PF but maybe black swan will be aoe focused? Help!

[@kitsune747]

From what I've seen from leaks black swan is very good character and the next PF is supposed to buff Dot

[@Kerri925]

I do think Doggos made a mistake focusing down the Trampler. You have to realize the memory turbulence is indiscriminate and in this format where you kinda have to make do with non BIS teams, playing for the memory turbulence is a tried and true strat. Those turbulence procs can be wasted on the Shapeshifter's adds, and if it somehow only hits the Trampler and Shapeshifter and ignores the adds, Doggos is ignoring him anyways so he will just heal off the turbulence damage.

[@thenext4944]

Argenti's character design was originally gonna look like Mr.Pokke but it was to sexy so they changed it

[@coreycrelia5303]

That's was like the best Emo song i've herd in 20 years...

[@MakotoMajima30]

we love our lil degen gabler QQ

[@shenzhoufuhua2445]

NO CRIT WAKE UP ALL MY ANCESTORS 💀

[@petipeti1235]

Hello Fu Hua

[@RaidenKhan]

Mr POKKE FTW. B)

[@Jojokun5235]

Qq supremacy!

[@spring420]

Qingque my beloved

[@tebz5362]

I counted the healing ticks from the general and he healed around 110k hp. But yukong buffed wind pen Dan heng ult still outdamaged that. So all the healing that the general received got payed back and then some

[@catgirlkiana]

But the effective damage done is less because he heals a ton

[@alexzee4356]

@@catgirlkiana he definitely can burst the general if he set up and breaks with the SW break build.

[@meegusmeeg2540]

13:19 well welll welll....listen to me first ok?... first of all it's ruan mei's banner... second of all I lost 50/50 late ( 90+ od so pulls) so i'm desperate...

[@GiovanniNoeyes]

"This proves you dont need 5 star DPS to clear MoC." Just going to ignore the other three 5 stars on the team, with dupes and multiple signature LCs?

[@sashisuugi4944]

I mean he’s not wrong lol. 5 star supports provide a lot more value than 5 star dps units cause you can just buff anyone to tons of damage.

[@GiovanniNoeyes]

@@sashisuugi4944 Technically you could spend three times as much to strap a rocket to the ass of a minivan and make it go faster than a sports car. That doesn't mean the minivan is just as fast as the sports car.

[@cutcorners6005]

you dont need to 1-2 cycle. you can do 5 cycle and still get everything.

[@GiovanniNoeyes]

@@cutcorners6005 Until they lower the number of turns allowed yet again. Also I can't even clear it in 5 turns, I don't know where you got 1-2 from.

[@raymondoh49]

The other 5 stars were in fact not dps so what exactly about his statement is incorrect?

[@JT-vn2rl]

doggos sold

[@mohdamin6641]

QQ really said nah I'd win

[@JONtheULTIMATE]

that 6 cycle clear tho ;-;

[@ezraek2043]

You skipped portions of the last run too ):

[@emilynyan6603]

The strat of letting the General live is fine on Paper, but doesn't work with this MoC effect. That was the biggest issue I think, since now GodDoggo had 3 extra targets absorbing the MoC hits, effectively negating it. Focusing the general would have taken down the adds as well and caused all that leftover damage on the Effect to go into the Horse and Kafka respectively, optimizing the damage output. Any MoC buff that didnt randomly damage the enemy side probably would have been fine with this strategy. This is also compounded by the fact that HuoHuo was on the team, dispelling almost anything Kafka could have thrown at the party with ease. The team itself was great and basically tailor made for this side of MoC, just the targetting was off....

[@aabuyaa]

singapore meta om

[@hyounie1457]

"nah i'd win"

[@MakotoMajima30]

hope QQ dont get cut in half like Gojo …

[@jhon5149]

I'm the 1.000 like of this video, nice!

[@cloudjin893]

hot take: e6 qq is more sp positive and dhil.

[@Badwithname5]

W Pokke

[@spenky]

MrPokke knokin` on GodDoggos` door like ""B***h, where is my money?!" 🤣 Feels bad for MrPokke but Moon and Dreamy MoC12 6T clear with Sampo and Xuei was insane.

[@mrdeafter]

Bro, Doggos literally give 2 of the best support for mr.pokke to use it not his fault at all.

[@GoodbyeandHello]

Always bet on QQ

[@KraizenFaraway]

Mr pokke have Bronya and Ruan Mei and no 0 Cycle? Large skill issue 💀💀 Jokes aside, It's still decent run for God Doggos not having 5* Harmony. Though, I agree he should went to the General first since his heals are insane. If he healed even once, It's like having -1 cycle.

[@mrpokkee]

Nah I’d win

[@zmkatsu4885]

Seeing pokke big critics on god_doggo is truly learn for us that, sw potential is infinite possibility than people think like "nah she's support she dont have dps" while she has potential break dmg she can bring.

[@user-steve6336]

Mr.pokke has large skill issue.😂

[@gamingzone_8142]

888 likes 😂

[@Joemama-pt2ye]

Well yeah god doggos enormous skill issue and Dan heng was just a very bad pick too you tried to carry hard tbh

[@LittleMissZackyVee]

i mean they banned all the heavy hitters what else could they take that would work?

[@karthik5076]

​@@LittleMissZackyVeeblade

[@Joemama-pt2ye]

@@LittleMissZackyVee blade wasn’t banned was he?

[@Joemama-pt2ye]

@@LittleMissZackyVee and also he had sw in the team he could literally pick any dps that’s better than Dan Heng like break effect shushang even break effect luka would perform better(I’ve tried it with the same team hahaha)shushang tho performs extremely well especially with sw cause of the moc buff plus god doggos misplayed a lot as he said too wrong focusing etch

[@LittleMissZackyVee]

oh yea blade... idk i just like when ppl use unconventional characters. and they only lost by one cycle i believe? i dont really think it was a skill issue moreso rng was shitty@@Joemama-pt2ye