I Will Not Add The Peace Of Ni'Var To It's List Of Casualties - Star Trek Discovery 3x07

I Will Not Add The Peace Of Ni'Var To It's List Of Casualties - Star Trek Discovery 3x07

[@CookeeQapla]

"I ask you for nothing... but I am giving you my trust as a member of Starfleet" That is leadership...and Star Trek is always written for the time...today we are desperately seeking leadership. Here's to a new generation of leaders.

[@ChrisParadise-wv5iz]

I just really liked how the tables have turned and now the Vulcans are against helping and its the Romulans who want to.

[@obsidiansands]

Vulcans against helping isn't new, they were the ones who kept trying to get Starfleet to slacken their jumps in tech and exploration during the Archer era when they tried to keep humans from going too far too fast. The Romulans were always impulsive and did not sit idly by, it goes against the very "calm" of Vulcan logic. They're two sides of the same coin - the very principle of IDIC. It was also nice to see "Messiah" Burnham being something other than an insubordinate, insta-cry bitch who doesn't give a fuck about the rules. Though it does sort of make her a bit of a hypocrite since she didn't give a fuck about Starfleet and rules before half the time she goes AWOL with her one-bitch-army insubordination every now and then.

[@ChrisParadise-wv5iz]

@@obsidiansands you missed my point. The Vulcans were one of Earths most trusted partners in the Federation after it was formed. Everything was shared. Its like Britain all of a sudden turning face on the US and the Chinese coming to the rescue.

[@obsidiansands]

@@ChrisParadise-wv5iz And you also missed my point as well. Vulcans - despite being "trusted" partners - were also trying to stymie Earth and Starfleet at some points in the Archer era because they were afraid the humans were going to far too fast. Had you watched some of Enterprise, you would know some of the arguments Archer and some parts of Starfleet had against them - Archer was right up to a point, but he was also wrong also up to a point. Fact of the matter is, Vulcans can also be asses even back in the TOS era despite being "trusted" partners. As much as I dislike STD, they got Vulcans somewhat right in that episode.

[@ChrisParadise-wv5iz]

@@obsidiansands I am commenting on Post Formation of the federation. I know how they were previous, hindering humanity because they feared their own past etc etc.

[@obsidiansands]

@@ChrisParadise-wv5iz they're still the same Vulcans. Few Vulcans like Spock are the exception, not the rule. Besides, this is STD, almost everything they do somehow finds a way to shit on Trek lore in one form or another. They don't even have a temporal agency that SHOULD also be active in their time. They've got more inconsistencies even within it's own lore; in the Trek Shorts, the Discovery was never refit after being abandoned, yet now it is. Vulcans breaking away from the FEDs despite being "trusted partners" says about how they haven't changed much even before the formation of the Federation - whereas in Prime Trek, they're thick as thieves with their friendship with the humans and the Federation, especially since they're part of the founding members.

[@agoogleuser1236]

I remember counselor Troi mentioning how Romulans had a fascination with humans (through the lens of their self-annointed racial supremacy, mind you) and multiple Vulcans have expressed a sense of being pleasantly surprised by humanity's strange tendency to have strong emotion but embrace logic when the time is critical. Some Vulcans have even come to learn that sometimes, a little emotion can be far more logical than stoic reasoning alone. Humanity has always served as the Romulo-Vulcan temperance; a species so eerily similar to both Romulans and Vulcans but able to strike the passion and logical balance both offshoots took to extremes. And of course, humanity learned a great deal from the Vulcans during their infancy in space travel, and even learned some from the Romulans (particularly their fringe organizations like the Quwot Milat). Ni'Var and Earth will always share a common destiny in Star Trek due to their people's complementing one another with their best qualities, and I love it.

[@eaglesailor72]

Well stated.

[@reelsoffortuneslotsplay4267]

Attention on deck... A Starfleet officer is passing... I think it is was this moment where she became worthy of sitting in that Captain's seat!!!

[@thomascowan9087]

I also liked that

[@dudds6699]

The smile of an extremely proud mom.

[@TwistedSecrets777]

dam it you took my comment GRRR :P

[@gazs6571]

This is a true star trek scene

[@TwistedSecrets777]

dam right she loved her brother so much that she realized wanting that information might destroy the one thing he worked so hard to create....so she gave up and in the end got the information for being so brave

[@twystedhumour]

@@TwistedSecrets777 and she presented quite an amalgam of Kirk and Spock when she made her statement. fascinating.

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

Agreed

[@dinosnake2241]

I originally skipped Discovery, I tried to watch a first season episode but was utterly disappointed. Like ST:Picard, the Kelvin movie reboots and so much of new Trek. But this. I have watched highlights from Discovery's 3rd season and scenes like this, for example scenes from 3x03, 3x05 and the ending scenes from 3x13, are the finest Star Trek I have seen in DECADES. THIS is the Federation. THIS is Star Trek. Honor, Duty, Loyalty, the Greater Good. Doing what's right, even if it hurts. Remembering that we are all in it together, together we can make the world better. Watching some of these scenes actually makes me cry. It's taken a LONG time to get writers who FINALLY understand the real meaning of Star Trek, not pew-pew firefights. The scenes are spectacular, thank you to the crew for making them.

[@explores40]

@@dinosnake2241 I think Star Trek Picard is a good show yet it lacks more action yet I have never caught onto Star Trek discovery to me it’s awful the worst acting I have seen and how many times do we have to see a Star Trek series in the past.

[@andytay5507]

And during the pregnant pause, it was obvious she'd say: 'I withdraw my request'.. The making of a fine diplomat, like her brother.

[@999benhonda]

didn't you see the ending of the episode? Burnham made Spock, not the other way around.

[@andytay5507]

@@999benhonda no, just the clip.

[@danielhaire6677]

And just like her father....with a healthy dose of her mother as well.

[@MrUself]

Is it me or Madam President and Captain Saru got some chemistry going on.

[@Bitchslapper316]

Yeah, I enjoyed their interactions in this episode. Saru was extremely diplomatic, honest and tempered here, a real starfleet captain. The president reminded me of Spock, she was critical and logical but still willing to listen to the facts and make her own conclusions based on them.

[@skoshman1]

There is a simple reality: Women with or of power will invariably have thing for Saru. While there haven't been broken bones or the such, even Georgiou has a thing for Saru. Let's face it, Saru is accidentally becoming Kirk.

[@JoniWan77]

@@skoshman1 Saru is such a delight. Who wouldn't fall for that guy? Saru seems to incorporate a modern attractive man, just like Kirk incorporated the attractiveness of his own time in a way.

[@stephenfarthing485]

If it wasn't possible to get the SP 19 information! Saru was approaching a distant but equally viable alternative relationship with the Ni-var President. Which would lead to the Burn info - eventually being released to the United Federation of Planets and Starfleet. The other proof that Burnham and Tilly discovered will be released to the High Council of NI-VAR and the combined Romulan and Vulcan people. As a proof that there was a distinct logical sequence to the start of the Burn!

[@stephenfarthing485]

@@skoshman1 - more of a Picard than a Kirk! I believe! But yes! Saru has demonstrated the capacity of being the second best Captain of the Discovery. If you can recall correctly. In one of the second season episodes. He demonstrated an exceptional empathy for Tilly ! After trying to extract black matter material from a asteroid in the shuttle bay of the Discovery! And being particularly grumpy for HER sake! But yes! In all other respects, Saru is the best Captain of the Discovery! Second to Pike!

[@xanderfulton3186]

Hell must’ve frozen after the galaxy burned because the Romulans are lining up to join the federation while the Vulcans turn to leave it 😂

[@cypheron3030]

Yea man I'm quite surprised After so many decades of hostility between the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire, the Romulans eventually came to favour the Federation unlike the cold blooded Vulcans

[@MariaMartinez-researcher]

Vulcan leaving the Federation is a frequent subject in franchise novels and fan productions from Spock's World to Axanar.

[@NarasimhaDiyasena]

The simulation has gotten weird no doubt. Loss of RAM maybe?

[@Bitchslapper316]

I don't think either wanted to leave. I think it's more that the Romulans don't want thier planet amd people to take the blame for something they didn't cause, or the federation for that matter. The vulcans are more reserved and are willing to take the hit and lose the federation if it means no one will continue their work that they think was the cause of it. If that makes sense.

[@mattwho81]

Thats how history goes. One Generation embraces what the last reviled, the generation after them becomes the very thing their forebears fought against.

[@hilariousness6644]

When the Disco crew all stand at attention for Burnham, I thought it was an awesome moment. From being a much hated mutineer to a respected officer of Starfleet. Also, her love for her brother and admitting she might know if Spock knew or understood love was such a touching moment. They forget Spock's half-human and even though he doesn't speak of Michael, the love is there. Perhaps they'll address Spock having to let Michael go in 'Strange New Worlds'. I absolutely love Star Trek: Discovery. What a great show and it has made me into a Star Trek fan. Never thought I would Google Star Trek canon or shop for merchandise. Ever. 🖖🏾

[@MariaMartinez-researcher]

Greetings and welcome. Don't worry too much about canon. In a franchise older than 50 years there is plenty of mistakes and contradictions. Add to that the boundless imagination of franchised novels, fanfiction and fan productions, which sometimes makes into the canon, like the name Ni'Var. The best resource to understand who is who and what is what in canon is called Memory Alpha, the wiki of Star Trek. Memory Beta is for novels and the rest. Fanfiction is an universe to explore. If you want to take the full trip, you might start by googling "the best episodes" of the different shows and taking a look, or, if you aren't in a hurry, start at Memory Alpha with the second pilot episode "Where no man has gone before" and follow the order of production arrows for The Original Series, and the release order for everything else. It makes much more sense in that way, IMHO. Or, just watch whatever you want and have fun. It works too. 🖖☺

[@hilariousness6644]

@@MariaMartinez-researcher Thank you so much! I plan to do a Star Trek marathon at Xmas where I have 5 days off work in preparation of celebrating the 800th Star Trek episode on December 31st, 2020. Also, I do use Memory Alpha when I Google and do find it handy. 😊 Thanks again for your kind words. It's an absolute pleasure interacting with people online who enjoy 'Discovery'. 🖖🏾

[@marcussavina2726]

Welcome back.

[@LETSHEALUS]

I gush seeing that Queen in that Chair every episode....

[@jamiehorne1173]

Actually spock does mention Michael in the first episode of strange new world and also the episode where dealing with the gorns. The first episode of strange world he mentioned that space reminds him the loss of his sister

[@elnavales]

They say a Star Trek Series needs a couple of seasons before it hits its potential. Perhaps Discovery is getting there? As action packed as the first 2 seasons were I didn't like how they seemed to be shooting something in every episode. That's not Star Trek. But now, addressing today's issues in a future setting? Well, that's what Trek has always been. When the crew rises at her exit, damn that was powerful to me...

[@k1productions87]

Though... there was significantly less shooting in season 2. In fact, the only shots fired were against Section 31.

[@wj3186]

I found this scene to be incredibly boring and nonessential to the progession of the story.

[@Gabrigattin]

Absolutely 🙌🙌 I liked the first two season for the characters, but the plot were very action driven, I absolutely loved season 3

[@Gabrigattin]

@@wj3186 essential to the progression of the characters, which is way more important than plot

[@k1productions87]

@@Gabrigattin There was considerably less action in season 2 though, saving all the space battles for the final episode. Comparatively speaking, there was more action in The Orville season 2 than Discovery season 2. Which is funny, considering how some people preach The Orville as what Star Trek should be.... so, they WANT more action? LOL

[@OmAlexander1111]

Easily one of my favourite episodes of any Star Trek series.

[@philly83]

Leave it to the romulan to want to share the information. This was a great scene to show how far they had come.

[@mjb51270]

I want to see a Romulan Star Fleet Officer

[@aaronjg682]

This is what we call a Proud Mom Moment.

[@vallettapetracyneran8587]

Commander Micheal Burnham, Daughter, Sister, scientist, mutineer, officer, and ultimatly Starfleets soul.

[@angelofontanesi7069]

I know things are a little more relaxed in Star Fleet, but, I like how they observed military courtesy and stood at attention when Cmdr. Burnham passed.

[@andytay5507]

not merely military courtesy. Respect and admiration for a fine diplomatic engagement.

[@mightymulatto3000]

We are giving you our trust as members of Starfleet.

[@CrestOfArtorias]

I mean Starfleet itself is worthless so Burnham being the truest member seems to workout quite well.

[@jamiehorne1173]

Michael was ready to leave because she lost faith and changed. Discovery crew and captain want the old Michael to lead them to the future, but instead of getting to know who she is now. Captain made the same mistakes as Captain geagora first, not listening to his number 1. That black box was so important, and the star fleet would agree to have them go after it. He needed to ask but he didn't.

[@SurvivalSpec]

I’m a long time Stat Trek fan. I started watching the original series in the 80s and then Next Generation. Michael Burnham is my favorite leader in all the series.

[@alcoholandfun243]

😅

[@Reijen]

Hahahaha

[@eme.261]

I adore her, as well. "Let's fly!"

[@Epicuresfan]

they've done such a good job this season. feels like star trek.

[@chiphowell4063]

I liked Discovery from the start, though it took me a few episodes to settle more comfortably into the vibe of the show. I loved Season 2, and Season 3 is amazing. As of this scene, I'm seeing a *ton* of classic Star Trek. I also love the way in which the Vulcans are reluctant to cooperate, and the Romulans are all eager to help. The Starfleet officers rising to Attention as Michael walks out gave me pleasant chills.

[@enikata7349]

Interestingly, if Ni'Var decides to re-join the Federation that would mean even the Romulans would become Federation citizens.

[@IronhorseSara]

Spock would have been proud

[@I-NetHuddle_NicolaDeSantis]

One of the best moment in DSC

[@CrestOfArtorias]

Not a high bar to pass tho.

[@TwistedSecrets777]

ya know it makes me almost cry every time i watch this. she wanted that data to do good and it almost cost something her brother fought like hell to create and knowing the cost it would bring which was to her to high she backed out and showed that one lady that she started this with that the peace of Ni'Var was more important than finding out the truth.....that was PURE LOGIC at work and that is probably why at the end she trusted her with it....and you can tell the look on her mothers face its saying "That is my daughter and DAM AM I PROUD!"

[@CrestOfArtorias]

The truth does not rest nor does it care about our feelings towards it. If the truth would destroy Ni'Var now it will destroy Ni'Var whenever it is found, there is no point delaying it. That is an emotional matter, not a logical one. Truth remains true, it does not become less true or more true, nor do its effects lessen over time. There is nothing logical about this decision, its all emotion. Unless of course you consider the emotional manipulation a part in the logical calculus, if that is the case then yes. Using emotions to manipulate the other to provide the data one requires can indeed be a logical step. However, I am certain that this is not what Burnham intended, nor what the writers wanted to convey. So no, I disagree, this is a purely emotional scene, it demonstrates no logic whatsoever. Not to mention that the truth is more important than whatever cultural divide might linger between these two people. It is evident by the behaviour of their dignitaries that they have little interest to work together as is anyway. If the level of agitation has already reached that strata of society, a bloody and violent conflict between the two is already inevitable.

[@DevorDee]

Micheal Burnham is so good

[@Gabrigattin]

This episode is one of the best in all of Trek, the entirety of the Unification trilogy is, but this one man... Perfection

[@alcoholandfun243]

Ehhh, no.

[@Gabrigattin]

@@alcoholandfun243 wow, you have a way with words and arguments my dude

[@alcoholandfun243]

@@Gabrigattin Argue what? You provided zero points to back up your claim but suddenly I've to give points why it isn't? 😅

[@thomas.i.mcgill]

0:31 - "Dont talk to me or my raptor's wing ever again."

[@sundaygolessons]

I love how people are acting like the older Star Trek series had no phaser fire, explosions, or action. Hell, half the time Voyager was firing at something and let's not forget DS9 and 4 seasons of war. This is by FAR my favorite episode of Discovery.

[@insertnamehere4550]

Best moment of this season.

[@ravenmoon5111]

From the original Balance of Terror airing back in the 60’s, I have waited for the day that Romulans and Earth could be friends. They have been my favorite Star Trek race for decades and so often I was disappointed by the way the Star Trek Universe treated them. This, to me made up for all of that. Here, the Romulan desire to be a part of something great, while the Vulcans close themselves behind their ‘superiority’ is perfectly displayed. Fro once, the Romulans get the respect they deserve, and the Vulcans, well their arrogance is again exposed. It’s good to me to see, for once, the Romulan Way respected even in comparison to the followers of Surak

[@chiphowell4063]

The Romulans (and Vulcans) are my favorites too, and the Romulans were always underused and written one-dimensionally after the Original Series, at least as I see it. Seeing Vulcan/Romulan unification is an amazing thing for me, and the emotional nuances in this scene are amazing.

[@donpula6349]

Me too. At last the 2 peoples have been reunited & the Romulan refugees have returned to the world of their ancestors. Its better than seperation.

[@snbforever]

Well played.

[@chesty45]

This is Starfleet.

[@2Scribble]

I loved the Romulan council member calling the Vulcan's on their ship Especially since their society was forced to break away from the Federation when Ni'Var got their asses up their backs

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

That was a very Starfleet thing to do.

[@CrestOfArtorias]

Invoke an ancient tradition, back an ally into a diplomatic corner, only to then proceed to speak nothing but emotional garbage and then to withdraw your request? No wonder Starfleet is useless.

[@quentinarrius]

Now that feels more like Trek.

[@ToddWaters_tw]

Love this scene.

[@NOONENOWHY1]

Thank you for sharing this selection

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

Politics is the same in any time.

[@stephenfarthing1522]

That makes some solid sense!

[@agentwisconsin3184]

Love this scene and want to see more of this in discovery. Need more of this plus I want to get to know more about the bridge crew and a few episodes without Burnim

[@mikehance6086]

Her mom smiling because she knew that would work lol not at that instant but she started to convince the president of nivar

[@MChauNsd]

What a powerful scene one of my new found favorites of the show. The ending that was added is distracting and not needed I feel it ruins the moment

[@RisingTidesAC]

It is logical to assume that the BURN was caused by Michael BURNham!

[@girl1213]

She reminded the Vulcans why their relationship with humans was important. Their separation wasn't because of the Burn, it was because they forgot that.

[@sirhborn]

I like this part of the show the most I seen it more the the others shows 5 times👀📺

[@TwistedSecrets777]

lol ive watched this scene like 40 times and it makes me tear up every time...she chose to keep her brothers dream alive and walked away thinking she would have to keep looking for the data she needed....and in walking away showed that Vulcan woman that their ways we're more important than finding the data...and she gave her in for her bravery at the end :)

[@creatip123]

- why aren't you sharing the sb19 data?? - because....it got my browsing history in it......

[@45580677]

Best scene

[@captainsidewinder]

She’s a stellar captain is Michael leading by example

[@mkohlhorst]

The third season was a significant improvement over what had come before. It was not great, as it still fell back on many of the plot points of the earlier seasons (Burnham disobeying orders and being rewarded for it), but it was better than it's been so far.

[@pizza4me298]

Is there anything space jesus can't solve ?

[@dmanc85]

I don't understand how they can accept the Discovery crew analysing an event that most species have been trying to figure out for over a century. This is like Romans and Greeks trying to tell us right now how to make a nuclear weapon.

[@uchihaitachi181]

That’s sort of my issue with the concept of The Burn on the whole. Damage control and investigation would be the first two steps to determine what happened and how to go about fixing it. So nobody noticed this signal from the ship or the fact it was a shockwave and not an instantaneous event? As much as I personally dislike the cause of The Burn, I can’t seem to reconcile the fact various governments and institutions just gave up investigating seemingly after the second day. I admit to not having watched the 3rd season at present and have only seen clips, so perhaps there is an explanation for why and how the assorted groups have up or couldn’t figure it out.

[@dmanc85]

@@uchihaitachi181 There is no explanation in S3 apart from they've been researching the cause for a century yet this ancient ship was able to pinpoint exactly where it came from within weeks of arriving from the past? Ridiculous

[@Timeward76]

@@dmanc85 I think the key is that discovery got all the data required to do it. Ni'Var was keeping their data, which ended up being crucial, under lock and key, and they seceded from the Federation, so they never handed it over. Both Federation and Ni'Var had the two halves of the key, but neither was able to have the other's half until discovery came and made it happen. Besides, neither the Federation nor Ni'Var have the resources to spare on investigative expeditions after they lost most of their ships (we get told later Ni'Var only has 86 warp ships). Discovery and its spore drive made it the ideal ship to finally put those pieces together

[@jamiehorne1173]

Michael did her own investigation for an entire year and all she did was deliver Goods and then spend the rest of her time trying to figure out what caused the burn. She got more information because she's the one who's actually actively looking and then she's been entire year with nobody putting the brakes on her research. The crew of Discovery and her wanting to know what caused the burn cuz guess what they gave up everything to go into the future to save live and to realizing that the Federation as is they want to return it to its Glory Days. I took the whole entire season 3 to finally get the Federation to realizing that the crew will not damage the Federation what they do is remind them what the Federation really stands for and it's the crew who really brings those planets back together cuz they remind them why the Federation exist in the first place.

[@jorgeeporgee]

The Vulcan representative looks like a descendant of Tuvoc

[@h3ndr1ck48]

ITS A FAKE!!!!!

[@A.KZydik]

Because ....? Skin color ??

[@girl1213]

@@A.KZydik Because that's what happens in genetics. Sometimes you end up with very simular faces.

[@andysamy3490]

What have they done to my boy..........

[@IronSpyder-ky2lk]

this is what star trek is, finally get to see people talk it out instead of pew pew pew

[@Colyo62]

where was this burnham for the first two seasons

[@girl1213]

Growing up and developing

[@ctbt1832]

How is she Spock sister?

[@jamiehorne1173]

Adopted sister answered your question

[@looneyburgmusic]

OK where did the Discovery writers steal the idea of this whole "Find the REAL truth" process from? Watching these scenes I knew instantly that I had either seen or read the exact same general idea somewhere else, but haven't been able to figure out where from... Very annoying.

[@jamiehorne1173]

Cheese she inspired the president to give that information to her.

[@frankdeon6539]

Baby girl said. You will not trust. Let me show you how.

[@ModestNeophyte]

is that fuckin lydia from whiterun

[@taw1967]

I guess I missed it, but how is Burnham’s mother still alive?

[@Bitchslapper316]

Well in season 2 she was sent back to the future. Somehow she ended up in Ni'Var and became a Romulan nun..

[@taw1967]

@@Bitchslapper316 Ok then. Makes perfect sense. Nothing contrived about that storyline at all, lol! Thx for the info, btw.

[@Bitchslapper316]

@@taw1967 No problem lol. Sadly It was one of the down sides to a good episode.

[@Mxyzptlksac]

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff

[@TwistedSecrets777]

yea in season 2 the wormhole that opened up didn't drop her in space somehow it dropped her on Ni'Var but i dont think it was a nice landing because she states in this Episode it wasnt good

[@Fletchman1313]

*its

[@alternative915]

This scene is actually good, until you discover that everything she went through was utter pointless because right after this tribunal, she got the data anyway, so much of learning not to risk everything for the sake of answers...

[@CrestOfArtorias]

And that everything she uttered was emotional garbage.

[@paulpp7900]

crew stood in attention..... now dats respect... wud v stand in attention to the so called real life leaders dat we hav 2day?

[@daviddefranco5218]

Rihannsu, mnea arrhi hel aerrh. She is just an instigator just like Starfleet.

[@egosumhomovespertilionem2022]

The third-person singular possessive pronoun is "its," not "it's." Just like my/mine, your/yours, his, hers, and their/theirs, the possessive pronoun "its" does not have an apostrophe. "It's" is a contraction of "it is." The rules are simple. The rules are your friends, if you choose to make them yours.

[@taw1967]

Bingo!

[@BlokenArrow]

So basically, it’s its.

[@girl1213]

And not relevant to the video

[@egosumhomovespertilionem2022]

@@girl1213Good grammar and spelling, especially in the video's title, are always "relevant."

[@FerdinandCesarano]

That should be "its", not "it's".

[@girl1213]

And not relevant to the video

[@FerdinandCesarano]

@@girl1213 - Correctness of word choice is relevant to every attempt at communication, regardless of topic. Likewise for grammar, spelling, and punctuation. Only an ignoramus minimises the importance of these things.

[@stephenfarthing485]

Like Michael Burnham. I recognize that nothing will be easy! But there's always a very great hope that we will be able to use the knowledge gained from this last year! And certainly learn from it! There's those who hold to past glories and blindly assume that it is the only way out. Those who repeat the mistakes of the past are fated to repeat them! There are those who have! And even in Britain, they fail to learn from it! I take solace in the fact that there's a realistic majority of people who will stand with wisdom, reason and sense! None of this is going to be easy in the coming. But there's a hope that if a decision of not accepting that face value of politicians. Might encourage wisdom after all! When losing almost everything. As we have. As the Federation of Planets did after that great burn! There is the hope of unity. The great fire for ALL of us! Was largely due to Covid-19. Now comes the thoughts of rebuilding and reconciliation. Logic and Passion have failed us all. When there's almost nothing left, the only functional option is to rebuild! That's NOT going to be quick or rapid. It's going to take time for that! Spock said as much! In Star Trek Discovery. Was he wrong? You know what? I don't think he was!

[@CrestOfArtorias]

It is a good thing something like the Federation would never be feasible in the first place. Only in a TV show can a society like that exist. Like the Terran Empire, the Federation would not survive its infancy in the real world, thankfully so I might add. There is never going to be unity, about anything, at best there will be the good will to tolerate those who disagree. Unity generally implies that people are willing to put aside their differences in service of a greater goal, which is not going to happen unless the extinction of our species is the alternative. Even then it is likely not everyone will agree. Unity is a childish concept. Humanity was never united on any issue, heck most countries or cities, or even families aren't united on most issues. To believe that someday, somehow we would achieve a state in which we would all be in agreement is laughable.

[@KBSINN]

NO NEW CHARACTER, PERSONALITY ONLY EATING ON PAST REFERENCES

[@Aurora2097]

That was a moment in which i was hoping the writers REALLY would allow burnham to change and develope her character and actually LEARN from her past.Sadly i think the next thing she'll do is steal a starship, bring her crew into trouble, start a war, have some thousand people killed and... regret nothing.And then they again would want the audience to understand why still everybody likes her and excuses her.... I hope i am wrong!

[@mn5499]

Woke

[@dogkungfu8510]

And like every episode, the other half of the runtime is feelings, and long shots of feelings, and long conversations about feelings, more feelings in response to feelings, then some meta commentary about all these feelings, then back to the other part of the show which is usually brilliant. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[@nanodeath2.0]

Imagine if they used the budget of this show to help feed the homeless.

[@LexYeen]

Imagine if you spent your time volunteering at a soup kitchen instead of commenting on videos about a series you clearly despise for some reason I cannot determine.

[@andytay5507]

@@LexYeen Daaammmnnnn! Internet comeback retort of the year! You may now drop the Mic!

[@ravenmoon5111]

Do use all a Favor and sell your phone and computer to make a cash donation to the homeless. Please. We would all be happier for it

[@mshafer1021]

Star Trek ended with “Enterprise.” Everything after that is horse shit, including the JJ Abrams movies

[@girl1213]

Then stop watching. Are you so bored that hate is the only thing that can entertain you? You a masochist or something? No one is forcing you to watch this "horse shit." It's your own dang choice to watch "horse shit," not ours.

[@mshafer1021]

@@girl1213 I don’t watch it you little nincompoop. This showed up as a suggested clip.

[@narayanverma5895]

So much "I". Seems Burnham is above everything and everyone else, and much like modern feminists, thinks she could do it all by herself. Lol! Great character casting. Nice lesson to new kids.

[@TheNinjaMarmot]

This is so stupid. Vulcans/Romulans with samurai swords. The series is carp.

[@IronSpyder-ky2lk]

something's fishy about that

[@jameskirk8539]

This is one of the dumbest episode of ever seen. But I figured out if I mute everything that Michael Burnham says I can barely enjoy an episode. This is so sad to see Star Trek fall to this level. We did get 5 decades of great Star Trek. Will Star Trek survive the Alex Kurtzman era? Let's hope someone at CBS saves us this garbage.

[@lancerolen9414]

Dear True Show and anyone reading i hope all is well. I just want to say that Jesus Christ loves and cares for you. If you haven't done so please accept Him as your savior and Lord. And remember to enjoy and cherish all that is good and right in life for we only get one life and we don't know what tomorrow will bring

[@Lukos0036]

Every man who ever uttered those words did so from behind the barrel of a gun. Millions have died shortly thereafter with Gods name in their ears over things as paltry as tea and cotton. Jesus loves us, but the people that call their selves his like have much to answer for. Till that day comes those words will always be viewed with suspicion. They often hide ulterior motives.

[@stephenfarthing485]

Gentlepersons! I am somewhat well qualified to respond to both your own perception and opinion! I happen to be a church chorister in the British Isles! And of the Church of England. God respects the sense of responsibility and quiet courageous determination of all people in and of faith! And certainly the point of clarity to responsibility and quiet courageous determination. In defence of vulnerable communities in Britain. I kicked off on a very clear cut and persisting call on the PM to get the vaccine deployed sooner than later! There's some measured cautionary indicators that I may have been successful in the doing so! Arguing 3 times a week for almost 4 months may have achieved the outcome of this matter, coming true! I have held optimism that it is coming to be! And certainly the effort to do so! Has wrought a very positive outcome. There was no use of any weapons, but those of sense, reason and wisdom to win through! I have definitely been constant in this regard.

[@BlokenArrow]

People don’t accept him as lord and savior as a choice. He already is regardless of how you feel about it. It’s never a choice, it’s simply fate.

[@LCARSDATANODE]

I will Ni'Var like this show.

[@kevinjones2858]

This is cheap and stupid

[@girl1213]

Then stop watching

[@sangyup81]

She’s reminding the Vulcans of how humans won them over in the first place

[@johnathanalvarez7907]

The romulans became more pro federation then the Vulcans

[@Drakesonone]

@@johnathanalvarez7907Well Captain Pikard seem to know that will happen someday with the Romelu join the Federation. And that episode with that program in the DNA

[@shauntempley9757]

Because the Federation risked everything to try to save them from the supernova. Add in Spock's efforts with Picard's you get this.@@johnathanalvarez7907

[@redbarchetta4100]

You know I may have just realised but this show is just mass effect 3 in star trek in the form of a TV show