IAM 751 President Jon Holden gives a strike update

[@cyclonescott]

Us workers pay the union $3,000,000 a month in union dues. When the first offer came out, that John Holden endorsed, members had questions about the details of the contract. Goldens response was read the 300 plus pages yourself and make a decision. He has no problem going to the media and negotiating when it suits him. He's know that the return of the pension wasn't on the table since when negotiations started in the summer but just admitted to it a few days ago. I think it's time for negotiations to be live streamed so members can see if our hard earned money is being used wisely.

[@itiswhatitis716]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@AnhNguyen-ty4cv]

When he mention 2014 extension how come he didn’t mention the 1st vote was mostly NO, but the 2nd one during Christmas break which IAM approved happened?

[@dj46104]

Very few people genuinely want a pension. Nobody stays at companies for years anymore.

[@glasshalfool]

Nobody ever does the research to see how much is in the pension fund. As of 09/2023 there was 50 BILLION dollars!

[@TiK2theToK]

Nobody believes we are going to get a pension back. I dont know why the media keeps pushing that.

[@paulinedaugherty9805]

If they don’t want to give us our pension back, then the CEOs should give up theirs

[@chrisevenson9454]

He didn't vote away his.

[@MegaDcmp]

​@@chrisevenson9454neither did the majority of the Union members. They locked out thousands of members by holding a re-vote while members were out of town on Christmas break, and put an online-voting system in place that would not let thousands log in to vote; they changed the vote counting process by keeping the normal union staff and shop stewards from counting votes, and brought in national IAM staff to count the votes... the same national Union that was colluding with Boeing in negotiating in secret behind thee backs of the Union members in 2013; and at the end of all of it, the company cut separate checks for the ratification bonus immediately upon the results of the count instead of putting it on the next regular paycheck, which is something I've never seen Boeing do with any other bonus in 25 years. Clearly Boeing wanted employees to start spending that bonus, to lock in a 'no-takesie-backsies' position. The entire thing was corrupt.

[@Fear6No7Evil]

I don't get all you people hung up on the BCERP. Traditional pensions are dead. Boeing gave everybody involved in that contract a giant signing bonus plus 10% SCRC year one, 10% SCRC year 2, 6% SCRC year 3, and 4% SCRC ever year after that! If you were smart, you turned that money into a lot more money, if you weren't oh well. If by some miracle Boeing did decide to implement a traditional pension it wouldn't be retroactive because you've already been paid for those years. More money in our SCRC is a reasonable alternative to a traditional pension If you're not a complete dumb@$$.

[@glasshalfool]

​@chrisevenson9454 They've handed two ousted CEOs 50 million just this year. Why do you bother to comment troll?!?

[@chrisevenson9454]

@@glasshalfool because greedy people like you whine about the CEOs money. Why don't you complain about the union that voted away the pension? Troll.

[@MrEvtmazda]

I had one former manager tell me they are happy to take the week off. They are just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses without our members. If you are struggling you should have saved. Go get a part time job or figure out a way. I will not accept anything short of 40%, the nee 401k, more vacation and sick leave, a better bonus. Hold the line!

[@pranabgill1310]

@@MrEvtmazda easy on the emotions, think logically. Communism (unions) may look.good or even win short.term but inflated contracts usually lead to the company moving out of the state or worse(country)

[@scottdavis1542]

Once pensions are gone they're gone. The biggest problem i think is the first gwi. If they came out with a 20% the first year ,just because of the way the economy has been especially housing in our state ,i think the majority would sign tomorrow. 12% is nothing for a person that is still making under 20 dollars a hour.

[@PatamaGomutbutra]

That sound negotiable and reasonable. Shift out from the impossible pension to what more make sense.

[@reubenmorris487]

12% is nothing for a $billionaire too...

[@Fear6No7Evil]

Yeah but how much is that person going to be making after only 6 years of service?

[@junkrat29boom40]

Are you actually apart of the union. Cause if yes, then you haven't listen to anything union workers have been saying. If not, then you don't know what us union workers want.

[@MrEvtmazda]

40% in 3 years for me to accept, plus alot more paid time off and better bonuses

[@parkerholden7140]

There is obviously a major gap between the Union leadership and rank and file. Labor law in the USA is powerful force in driving manufacturing overseas. Is this what we really want?

[@reubenmorris487]

No. The workers want a DIGNIFIED LIVING! Not sure what lines you're reading in between...

[@glasshalfool]

Do you really believe that?? Don't be dumb bro. The greed of today's CEOs and board members is what drives jobs overseas. You can't really be dumb enough to not see so many businesses exploiting 3rd world countries.

[@mkeys1233]

How about getting them to sign on paper saying next new 737 style plane will be built in Renton on paper no exceptions. So they can’t use that against us again in 4 years. Thanks Mr. Holden

[@PatamaGomutbutra]

That appear in the first offer already

[@mkeys1233]

@@PatamaGomutbutra no it didn’t it was a verbal agreement nothing on paper

[@KathyHelm-v3t]

I see Boeing is looking at selling Boeing stocks for 10 billion to cover the strike

[@joshperez525]

3 weeks and yet to vote on a contract. This union needs to do more to get a legit offer and allow people to vote on it. People are losing healthcare and struggling to get by.

[@PatamaGomutbutra]

Yes. The union is destroying majority of member by the “stubborn-unrealistic” desire to get pension back. Why not vote to prove how many still care for the impossible pension plan.

[@joshperez525]

@@PatamaGomutbutra I absolutely don’t care. I knew before we even voted that that was not going to be a thing. But delusional members seem to fight til the end for it.

[@PatamaGomutbutra]

I am around with people work at Boeing and they said like you. The do not care about pension thing - they vote for higher paid and medical benefits.

[@alex64gaming]

Thank you!

[@MrEvtmazda]

Cant force the company to negotiate. They are losing hundreds of millions everyday. Thats on them. One day stronger one day longer. Even when an offer is presented it will take up to a week to vote. Better get off ur butt and go picket or go get a part time job

[@renefuller9241]

The Board has no idea what it is Boeing does. All they are interested in is counting Beans. They have no interest in Safety or quality. I do agree that the pensions will probably not be reinstated. But the last and final offer of 30% raise over the next four years corresponds to 12%, 6%, 6%, 6%. I am a level 4 machinist and get paid $24/hr. 12% of $24.00 dollars ($2.88) is such a negligible amount it is insulting. We build Airplanes, we do not flip burgers. We make mistakes, people die (well, the ~ 250 people were a design mistake, the door was on us). A burger flipper makes a mistake, your order gets messed up. I do not know what Airbus pays their machinist, but I am sure they can afford to live. I can't. And neither can the other machinists. The Union is asking for 40% raise over three years. That would correspond to 20%, 10%, 10%. Those numbers are better, I probably could afford my mortgage. All they would need to do is fire managers who do nothing and pull in $200K a year.

[@MrEvtmazda]

Well said brother. This company doesn't respect its value added workforce. Im in this for the long run for the best contract we can get. Let Boeing's dumbass stall some more. Real Union members are out on the picket lines doing their duties and are getting part time jobs to get by.

[@maciejkozerski4103]

As a ex-president of my local, being greedy about a pension will make or break your union. People are starting to lose their Healthcare, please make better decisions for your members. If you don't believe me look up Easter Airlines strike of 1989. People lost their jobs, homes, due to the stresses of the actions of their leaders 14 people have committed suicide. If you have some heart left in you be the leader that your people believe you to be and at times we win some and we lose some. Pensions are dying out everywhere, don't let your pride get in the way of messing up thousand of people's lives. I send you guys all the positivity, because this is where things can get ugly for the IAM. Boeing has the money to out source and have pratt or collins build what you guys are making. They will be OK for a year or more to have them build their stuff while all the workers at your local union will suffer from these actions. You guys are given a 30% increase, that speaks for itself. Educate your people to put atleast 5% of that a month on the side to a Roth IRA so you can atleast retire happy. I do understand you guys are fighting for a lot more than just the pension, but to my understanding you have a great contract going for your members.

[@PatamaGomutbutra]

Thank you for your thoughtful comments

[@PatamaGomutbutra]

Let's vote - how many union members still have false hope the pension will be back. People working in Boeing around me do not expect pensions since before the strike - they want reasonable pay and medical benefits, 90% of US pensioners are government employees. Despite union strikes every 4 years, pensions are still inevitably gone. Noting to guilt, no one to blame - it is just because of aging society, it is just we will not die at 60 and have 6 children anymore. Acceptable to ask to raise wages and health benefits but it is just a waste of time for the 'impossible' pension.

[@MrEvtmazda]

So why didnt the company's second offer actually add anything worth voting on? If they actually made a real wage increase and better concessions it would have been voted on and likely approved. Not everyone is holding out for the Pension but i AM holding out for a better offer than whats on the table because whats on the table is disrespect dogshit for our brothers and sisters. If you wana go work for low wages go ahead, but a majority of members dont want to work for such low wages and hardly any time off

[@pranabgill1310]

@@MrEvtmazda do have a better offer at some other factory? Or do even know of a better employer? Why arnt you joining them if you're in so much pain. This communist mindset won't be good in the long run.John holden killed triumph composites and now its your turn. Take the offer before you're see boeing moving to Mexico too

[@fredbrooks6177]

Vote on what? That second offer wasn't much better. Boeing threw it out just to see how many of the 94.6% they could sway. We'll vote. Hopefully it'll be fair contract.

[@PatamaGomutbutra]

Then let the union leader know- move on from the delusional deal regarding pension.There are much more possible and valuable negotiations to make. Do not tie everbogy value to the DEATH pension.

[@PatamaGomutbutra]

Vote for the second offer- you cannot infer the first one reject. It is much better for people who has no faulse hope on IMPOSSIBLE pension

[@emmanuelappiah8675]

As a new boeing worker with not getting overtime to improve my wages like living paycheck to paycheck though the strike is affecting many of us especially we that we were hired a year ago. Boeing can do better cos we aint happy being at home

[@Fear6No7Evil]

Nobody gets top pay as a relatively new employee! This contract gives everyone top pay after only six years of service and if you take a higher paying job you're automatically topped out! Sounds pretty damn fair to me.

[@glasshalfool]

​@Fear6No7Evil You don't get topped out taking another position. You just wouldn't go back to the bottom step like you currently do. Read before commenting please.

[@Fear6No7Evil]

@@glasshalfool @glasshalfool I'm talking about people who have completed all 12 progressions and are making top pay for their grade. There are only one set of progression steps in a career. What part do you not understand?

[@MrEvtmazda]

Still takes 6 years to top out. The changing into a higher pay rate job without losing step progression is something that should have always been there. That isnt a concession that is just the Boeing company using something that any normal company would already just do; boeing using it against its own employees. That's just what Boeing is, they hate you and you are a number. The easiest to take from, yet you produce the most profit for them. Bean counters running an airplane company like idiots. Disconnected from the shop floor. Im in this for the long haul and so is everyone of my coworkers. We get a real "historical" contract and we go back and celebrate together. If your struggling go get a part time job like everyone else has or is doing. Amazon gives medical benes day one. Hold the line and it WILL be worth it. Pension or not we deserve 40% and more time off and maybe even 5 years step progression maxout.

[@PatamaGomutbutra]

The member will get more benefit in negotiating in progression and other benefits. I don’t know why the negotiator slump in the hopeless-worthless-pension

[@sethenosh]

I have seen John Holden in action in Spokane. In the end he absolutely was the catalyst for Triumph Composites closing and good jobs lost forever. RIP. Boeing in Seattle.

[@pranabgill1310]

@@sethenosh exactly...please educate more people. This contract is good

[@PatamaGomutbutra]

This guy need to be replaced. His action is inconsistent and hard to believe he has no conflict of interest.

[@rampar77]

Boeing may increase to 40% plus other inreases for the last straws. There is no way they are going to reinstate pension.. The union are diging the grave. Boeng will move 737 to so Carolina just like the 787 if the wages are too high. They set a good example on 787. It took less than 4 years.

[@thejimd]

Don't be so confident that the SC experiment has been a success.

[@glasshalfool]

Except they're losing money because every 787 has to come back to Everett to get reworked! They're just mitigating their losses on that disaster of a program.😂

[@deltek5968]

While other unions have also sought to have lost pension plans restored, as the United Auto Workers union did during its successful strike at General Motors, Ford and Stellantis last fall, no American Union has ever succeeded in bringing them back. Even though the auto strike produced a deal with record pay raises and other gains for the UAW, it did not restore pension plans to workers hired since 2007. Yahoo Finance

[@MrEvtmazda]

Give the IAM record raises then and people would accept it. The companys negotiators and management are too stupid to realize that and wont even attempt to negotiate. Find out what happens when you play hardball Boeing. You will lose

[@tonyg4546]

The fact that boeing went to the press and didn't meet the needs of the people that make the company money. Fact: No one but the machinist make money for boeing. Fact: the employees including management are under paid. Fact: Boeing has employees that can't afford to rent an apartment and forget buying a home. This is our demands 1) reinstate the pention 2) a 40% increase in pay. 3) a bonus program that will pay every employee a 5%-10% annually. 4) an additional week of vacation, sick leave and a week of personal time. 5) New employees top out in their pay grade I 4 years. 6) All employees need better medical coverage. In short boeing need to pay it's employees like we live in the 21st century instead of the 19th. A single Boeing employee used to be able to buy a home and rase a family. That's no longer the case.

[@PatamaGomutbutra]

The desire of pension and single income enough to buy a home raising a family is 1950s not 2024. Move on from the impossible pension.

[@Fear6No7Evil]

Wow! I guess you plan on being on strike for a very long time because what you're asking for is never going to happen. This is Boeing not NVIDIA. They haven't posted an annual profit since 2018! You people are delusional.

[@MrEvtmazda]

​@@PatamaGomutbutrayou sound like a fun person to be around at parties. Quit trying to get dum dums to accept garbage offers. Is the company paying you to post this nonsense?

[@kidviper2006]

ok, i agree with everything you said but no1. pention will never come back. i could care less for the 4 year max out cause i already am maxed out (if for some miracle that does get approved people already maxed out should get like a 20k bonus)

[@Nick-we7lf]

They are responsible for the death of hundred of people because of bad workmanship and want a raise as a reward. You are all lucky you dont go to jail. Tell the families who lost loved ones that you are sorry first !