Rediscover Bethel - Episode 3: The Supernatural, Signs and Wonders

[@Bethel_Online]

Thanks for watching episode 3! For more see episode 4: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioekh5l6arSGobc And take a look at the full series here: kzbin.info/aero/PLUaRlPOu98p0clsG0U0jGoU91tl5q3-sK

[@k.l.hollister8128]

It seems that the people being attacked in the media and on the internet are the people that the enemy fears, the ones exposing truth and speaking the word of God. Bethel has been lied about and had their words taken out of context and slandered by people claiming to be Christians. I have wanted them to defend themselves for so long. They never speak badly about any of the people that attack them. That speaks volumes about their character. Bethel is a loving place that is doing wonderful things to spread the word of God. Bill Johnson is a class act and very wise and kind. Just attend Bethel and you will know it is a good place a place where God is present.

[@jsean13]

Please don't stop this podcast.. this passes a baton to the next generation

[@CrossCultural-c7f]

AB-SO-LUTE-LY! Proverbs 13:22 - A good man leaves an inheritance for his children’s children. As spiritual parents, we must live in a way to show the fruit of God’s Spirit: the heartfelt love, joy, peace, the passion that prompts us to acts to further what is just and right, actions that are pure without motivations for self glorification, an admiration and focus on what is excellent, a choice to look at what is lovely. As we choose to live this lifestyle of pointing to God’s love and power, We lay the groundwork for future generations, these grandchildren, great grandchildren and generations we’ll never live to see on earth to use our ceiling that we built while lifting our hands in worship to God to be the floors that the future ones build upon. (Phillipians 4:8 and “How God Sees. Me” written by Bill Johnson, 2005.)

[@robertniles2632]

@@DefenderoftheCross what are you referring to?

[@jbmielke979]

A baton of which to leave behind and repent of...

[@lezliewinberry3968]

I relate a lot to Dan’s church background. And even before I started attending Bethel, I was in a conservative Bible teaching church which I loved. After my third child died I found myself in a deep depression. But I continued coming to-my Weekly prayer group. All I wanted was to get pregnant again but it didn’t seem like it was going to happen. Until that one spring morning. the minute I walked into the house, laughter hit me hard. My older conservative mentors didn’t know what to do with me at first. But within an hour we were all on the floor laughing. I went home that day and within a couple weeks, you guessed it, I was pregnant! While I have experienced many manifestations of God in my life, laughter never came again like it did that one time. But God shows up at the right time and in the right way. We serve an awesome God!

[@kitty7644]

What an amazing story! It reminds me of Isaiah 54:1, “Sing, barren woman, you who never bore a child; burst into song, shout for joy, you who were never in labor; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband,” says the Lord.

[@davidk6168]

i have so much respect for these 2 men of God. I have sat under their ministry and I've known one of them most of my life. they are the real deal. what you see is what you get.

[@meserettena6056]

Very refreshing, humble and honest discussion! The hungry shall be fed ! God bless Bethel !

[@jenniferdykes50]

Thank you so much for your educational discussions about who Bethel is and also who it is not. It gives me answers to people’s questions that are skeptical towards the supernatural life of the church that Jesus intended us to be experiencing!

[@CrossCultural-c7f]

Peace is quiet joy. Joy is peace out loud.

[@bla0327]

Thankful my father introduced me into tongues in a practical way and just started by faith and God found me in that place . Praise the Lord

[@janetlanders8220]

Thank you! There are so many that are influenced by the negative and don’t really understand what Bethel is all about. Iv been to Bethel many times, plus I listen to it as I can. I am blessed by Bethel.

[@marcmccomas]

This is my favorite episode so far! I'm so glad to hear Bill Johnson and Dann Farrelly talk about grave soaking. Hearing Bill share about that photo of his wife Beni Johnson laying on the grave was super helpful. Very excited for the next set of videos!

[@mauricerobinson9819]

I really enjoy these long form discussion and y’all giving clarity on question that the outside has. I personally never thought y’all served anyone/other then Jesus. Fun fact the same timeframe that y’all was experiencing the glory cloud at Bethel, the church I was attending at the time in Dexter, Ga we were experiencing the same thing we called it gold dust. And now years later I’m a pastor God is amazing and love what He is doing. So I just want to encourage y’all to keep your focus on Him and don’t allowing the outside influences effect what He is doing in y’all. Love y’all!

[@monicareynolds7889]

Just listening to this message is a super natural move of God.Some of these questions were being discussed today about Bethel.

[@johnwreed8839]

This is such good news and truth. Bro Kenneth Hagin has addressed manifestations of the Spirit. This conversation is a teaching moment and experience. This should be written to help guide others in pastoring manifestations

[@christineolivares5378]

I really appreciate you doing this series! I first found out about you when you appeared on "The 700 Club," and was amazed at what God was doing through you. This was back in 2011 or so. I've been following you on and off, but kept seeing this crazy stuff online about your so-called theology, which was misconstrued. You guys are so genuine, and I'm not just saying that. I'm visually impaired, and I think God has used that to help me sense things more than people who are sighted. Yes, I am seeking physical healing, but I want you to know that what you guys are doing is so amazing and so pure. God is all over you. God bless.

[@donnacole3355]

Thank you for being an example of pursuing God - no matter what! Your ministry has radically influenced my relationship with Christ and my intense hunger for all that He is and has for us. Abundant and radical blessings to you all. Isaiah 54:17.

[@user-gx4wi4cv2m]

“If you’re hungry you’ll find the Lord, and if it you’ll just find more offense.” So good.

[@lorimassey29]

🥰 love it. Love that you guys spoke to this. I've never had issues though with rumors, false articles because I know who you guys are and I've listened to your teachings. I knew/know you are good! People are just listening to the lies more than seeking out what truth you teach/stand onm

[@Joshualovespeople]

Well they subtly agreed with it… but no big deal I suppose

[@camerongalloway518]

Josh seeing your comments sprinkled through these videos, are you intentionally trying mishear and misunderstand what they're saying?

[@CrossCultural-c7f]

@Dean Agnor I pray that Josh “gets a life” focused on more life giving endeavors.

[@dreimers7515]

Thank you for addressing all these issues. It's refreshing to hear the honesty and your heart. I was saddened me the attacks on you from fellow believers. Just keep swimming. What God does abs is doing through you guys is incredible

[@JennaGraceMay]

I don’t think what they are talking about around 16 mins in is a good idea. The students come there to learn. Correction and shepherding is expected. Don’t allow them to fall into potentially demonic things just because you don’t want to kill “what God is doing.” That’s just bad leadership. Love the students enough to protect them. Just like a mother or father would guide, teach, and protect their child. Also, I’d love it if Bill could talk more. I want to hear what he thinks and how he responds to all of these topics.

[@christabelr1239]

I am really grateful you addressed grave soaking - it was something I had read/heard on other Christian podcasts and believed it was true. Thank you!

[@NickisWise]

These are so fun to watch!!! I'm receiving so much from them!!

[@kimdkus]

Jesus gave His anointing to the disciples, Elijah gave his anointing to Elisha, is it so crazy to ask Jesus for another’s anointing? We are in the end days! We must start to take Jesus at His word, His Bible!

[@jsean13]

Wow.. when you guys said you know his voice and that you are his sheep and that’s how you know you guys are not in communion with a spirit outside of the Holy Spirit… that made me so happy.. not that I ever thought you guys were doing stuff outside of Gods touch but it’s just awesome to see your guys confidence in Gods ability to lead you…. 😭 we all need this so much!!

[@benji7775]

This is so good and praise jesus for the guys sharing the truth ❤️❤️

[@shawnawhiting]

I loved this!

[@rivergumrob]

I’m finding these videos really interesting and informative. Thanks Dan and Bill!

[@NannyMendoza]

So blessed by Bethel and your heart for Jesus and the Gospel! Such a beautiful conversation!

[@meghankee963]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. There is soooo much conspiracy theory out there which is causing division and confusion. Please keep posting these videos. They help those of us who want to hear the truth of what you believe from your mouth. 🥰

[@user-gx4wi4cv2m]

I think in the next video you should cover the idea of teaching people gifts of the Spirit (specifically prophecy) because I see that criticism a lot.

[@knomadicstone7348]

I wish Bill Johnson told us exactly what happened when he experienced those 2 life changing moments. Is there another preaching where he's talking about those two moments???

[@isaacgylfe]

Thank you for another

[@MrJesseM90]

Glory to God

[@jeremysguitarlessons]

Could address the textual criticism of the Passion translation and why you guys choose to use/endorse it? Also what do you guys think about going back and editing your past books for clarity? While reading many of your books it appears you endorse things such as kenosis if I take the words as they are written. more broadly, do you think that precision of speech is something that is under valued in the charismatic circles? I ask these questions as someone who thinks you are fellow believers but I am very hesitant to point anyone towards you for growth in their spiritual lives because issues such as these. (Edit) I would love to see another church counsel like Nicea happen with leaders from all different denominations/theological camps come together and write something we could all agree on and begin to bring unity under the gospel back to the church.

[@gregwalker5435]

This is actually addressed in one of the other videos. Episode 1 maybe? There's also a shorter clip that addresses just that.

[@jeremysguitarlessons]

@@gregwalker5435 I saw I clip on the going back and editing the books. I am super happy about that. As far as the rest of the questions I don’t see them addressed.

[@dagman85]

@@jeremysguitarlessons - they also talked about kenosis in one of the first two episodes, and they repeated multiple times that Jesus never stopped being fully God, but He is also fully man. They said something to the effect that He chose, while being fully God, to live on earth with the limitations of a man anointed by the Holy Spirit, so that He could live as a role model for us to follow.

[@reign5276]

I really would of enjoyed to hear Bill Johnson talk a lot more.

[@christabelr1239]

I agree, it was a little one sided, still good though!

[@pabloberea7295]

Lol. It was the Dan show. It’s like Todd on Remnant radio being fed the answers

[@CrossCultural-c7f]

@@pabloberea7295 is there a problem with that?

[@todaymedia7339]

@@pabloberea7295 great analogy. Dan “We don’t really believe what you teach right Bill?” Bill “Let me double down on this teaching.” Dan “New topic.”

[@JennaGraceMay]

I agree. It’s like the other guy was covering all the answers for Bill. When it’s Bill I came to this video to hear.

[@kennyjamesoutdoors2326]

So good!

[@jbmielke979]

Came here hoping I was wrong about Bethel... Unfortunately, other than the denouncing of grave soaking, all I learned from this video is that Bethel is actually even creepier and more cultish than I thought they were...

[@matasaina2011]

If God had Moses in the cleft of a rock and had to place His hand over him there , what is our body going to do when the Holy Spirit is on us .... shake, rattle, and roll.

[@reign5276]

Anyone that judges Bethel and the leaders of Bethel. Here's a simple question before you think you have the right to run your mouth, what have you done to try advance the kingdom of God? Your freedom of speech has made you all intoxicated with hate, spreading hate when these people, not being perfect, are trying their best to spread love.

[@reign5276]

@@mturner2572 What made you feel the need to comment on this question? Is it because you feel it was targeted at you?

[@Joshualovespeople]

He isn’t in the tomb anymore

[@WilliamtheWorst]

Repent, Bethel. You've mislead a multitude of people into hell. “Who is this that questions my wisdom with such ignorant words? Brace yourself like a man, because I have some questions for you, and you must answer them.” Job 38:2-3

[@carpediem7247]

I need dude to say less and let Pastor Bill talk. I clicked on this to hear his perspective and to hear him answer these questions. Good interviewers ask good questions and then let the other person take it from there.

[@dagman85]

Dann Farrelly may be the one raising the topics, but I don't think this is meant to be an interview of Bill so much as a discussion between the two of them. Dann has a long history of being in Bethel videos. He and Banning Liebscher used to do the announcement videos for the church together. Dann also wrote the book "Kingdom Culture", which is all about the values that are critical parts of the culture at Bethel, and Bill has Dann review many of his books to make sure that people will hear them the way that Bill intends, so there is a lot of trust there. Dann is also one of the main teachers at Bethel.

[@carpediem7247]

@@dagman85 understood, but I clicked to hear what Pastor Bill had to say. Not to hear one person dominate the conversation.

[@dagman85]

@@carpediem7247 - part of what I was trying to convey is that if Bill has a different point of view from Dann on these issues, you will likely hear it. I get what you mean about wanting to hear it in his words, though.

[@davidk6168]

Dann oversees the ministry school where many of the supernatural manifestations referred to occur. so it's appropriate for Dann to be providing his perspective. I understand that Bill is the public face of Bethel and you expect to hear more from him, but it's not in Bill's nature to dominate a conversation.

[@carpediem7247]

@@davidk6168 well, I was really hoping to hear the Senior Pastor’s heart. Just like I’m a lead pastor and my people want to hear my heart not the executive pastor dominate a conversation. BTW….I’m not asking Pastor Bill to “dominate” like the other guy did. Just insert more of his opinion and heart for the church that he’s the head of and the direction that it goes.

[@markdownham7109]

Bill Johnson understands Incarnational Reality and the exact purpose and presence of the New Adam and how all Trinitarian soteriological intentionality and action is strictly 'for us' from Bethel to the Council of Chalcedon and even before the creation of the world.

[@matasaina2011]

huh?

[@ryanerickson3463]

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO. I have been hoping for this clarity for years and am happily reassured

[@todaymedia7339]

What does it mean to listen like a legalist? This is an accusation against anyone who challenges your teaching and designed to silence critics by suggesting they have no love.

[@niklaslundstrom7633]

@Dean Agnor so what do they mean then?

[@todaymedia7339]

@Dean Agnor I agree that Pharisees were legalistic. They were also heretics that completely missed Jesus. Jesus is Lord and my Lord. I am not a legalist.

[@pabloberea7295]

@Dean Agnor See, these catchy phrases are what causes problema with Bethel, it’s an ambiguous statement at best and only serves to virtue signal. “If you don’t understand this then you’re listening like a legalist…” um, no, maybe he’s just bad at explaining it and leaves it in the ethereal plain.

[@todaymedia7339]

@Dean Agnor I’m playing gotcha? I am being painted with a broad brush. These men are attempting to answer the objections to the obvious but not clear teachings of Bill. But even that generates more problems because they are doubling down on poorly conceived theology. Not everything, but enough to cause concern. Legalism involves adding to Christ’s work to earn salvation. This is not that.

[@alvn2533]

@@todaymedia7339 'Legalism' in this sense could also include always nitpicks at everything, trying to find faults in everything (even if it's not intended or is there). I think quickly jumping to the conclusion that they're trying to silence all critics like that doesn't help. I'm sure there are geniune concerned critics, but here they're referring to ones who... no matter how you say/explain things, they will always find faults with what was said

[@bradjohnson4]

The speak with Forked Tongues..

[@CrossCultural-c7f]

What examples support your statement: “They speak with Forked Tongues..”

[@amy8049]

Dann thank you for your transparency especially talking about glory cloud. It is almost like you were saying … processing is ok. Asking the questions. Really liking these podcasts.

[@karinawinch5087]

Ohhhh whooahhhhh, the fairy dust came then! 😭 That speaks alot to me.

[@edbarragan]

Yeah let Bill talk lol! But great insight

[@karinawinch5087]

How did I never hear about that. Thats astounding. Wow. Great articulations throughout. Ahhh, magical but Jesus.

[@ErnestHorning]

1:00:37 ❤️🙏🏻

[@todaymedia7339]

The reason there is so much confusion is because you speak like this. "We are not doing this, but we do try to do it." It's like you can't hear yourselves talk.

[@reyburchill1423]

No it’s more like: you only hear/interpret what your heart wants to hear.

[@todaymedia7339]

@@jacoblozano7485 what is that fruit?

[@The_fuzz_buzz]

@@todaymedia7339 the fruit is thousands and thousands of people coming to salvation in Jesus the Christ and being healed by Him! It’s literally the great commission from Mark.

[@todaymedia7339]

@@josiahrandolphbaldwin8272 awe. I hope you are well now.

[@todaymedia7339]

@@The_fuzz_buzz okay, that would be good fruit.

[@MaskedFanatic]

False teacher.

[@ErnestHorning]

1:03:39 💧👁 😄

[@pabloberea7295]

Man, the fake awkward laughter is so off putting.

[@Freedomsachoice]

It’s not a fake awkward laugh man, it’s a dry sense of humor.

[@pabloberea7295]

@@Freedomsachoice humour? There’s nothing funny about what they’re saying though.

[@dagman85]

@@pabloberea7295 - your sense of humor is just different from Dann's.

[@pabloberea7295]

@@dagman85 I don’t think it is. It reminds me of something anglo’s do when theres an awkward convo. I live in auatealia and its very common. Heck I even do it myself.

[@dagman85]

@@pabloberea7295 - one of the things that Dann actually teaches on (in his teachings called "Brave Communication") is the way that everyone has their own "codebook", or their own understanding of what sounds, words, gestures, actions, etc. mean. Those meanings are far from universal, and the meaning that you have always associated with that type of laugh may not have any overlap with Dann's intent or thought process when he does it. It's best to ask the person directly about what something means before drawing too many conclusions about it. I've heard Dann teach for many hours, and while I'm not going to go back through the video and replay all of his laughs to make sure, the impression I got while watching was that he was exercising his dry sense of humor throughout, as Tanner said.

[@sharonskinnell6427]

What about your honey pot?

[@j.h.5765]

In 1st John 4: 1-4 it says not to believe every spirit but to test them to see if they are of God. I tested the spirit behind Bethel and they denied that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Fellow Christians please avoid Bethel because you're inviting demons in thinking that it's God.

[@Dana-ey1vm]

They do not deny Jesus came in the flesh. I am not sure where u learned that. But that is false they 100% believe Jesus was 100% God and 100% man

[@Dana-ey1vm]

They have never taught that. Jesus had to be in the flesh with no sin to be sacrificed on the cross.

[@j.h.5765]

The scriptures in 1st John 4: 1-3 are not talking about flesh and blood people. A false prophet can confess yes Jesus Christ came in the flesh but they would still be a false prophet. Those scriptures are talking about testing spirits not people and when I asked the spirit that Bethel operates out of if it confesses yes that Jesus Christ came in the flesh it showed it's true colors, denied that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and got really nasty towards me.