Ibis RIPMO vs V2 DW-LINK Suspension REVIEW

[@pilotmattk]

Another vote for Revel / Canfield suspension analysis.

[@nickjones5728]

Would be cool to see you compare Ibis DW link to Pivot DW link

[@TrailPOV]

It's very interesting you mention this as I actually did up all the data for the Pivot and was contemplating putting it in this video but it was just going to be too much for one vid.

[@travelthenarrowtrail8660]

@@TrailPOV Just do another one, we'll check it out as will everyone else. Great work.

[@TrailPOV]

@@travelthenarrowtrail8660 Hehe

[@tonyholt4031]

Use the new switchblade

[@TrailPOV]

@@tonyholt4031 For sure

[@markjohnson5502]

I just scrolled through the comments and see a ton of requests, but no one mentioned the Forbidden Druid, would be really interesting to see a high pivot comparison. Great content!

[@TrailPOV]

There were a couple comments about the druid with other videos I've made, but probably not on this one. Thanks for your feedback.

[@NorCalRide]

I've waited so long for a video like this. Thank you 🙏

[@TrailPOV]

Glad you liked it

[@l4x3rj]

Best content for this stuff on KZbin! Love it as a bike nerd. Would also like to see the curves for Dave Weagles DELTA system, even if it it's just a 'boring' linkage driven single pivot

[@TrailPOV]

That's a huge component...thanks!! As for the single pivot, I used to own a Cannondale Gemini with the quintessential boring single pivot with no linkage, but I loved it. The delta may very well make an appearance.

[@daleunroe6074]

own a Ripmo V4 ...thanks for explaining with animation what the DW link design does and the benefits it adds to the air shock suspension characteristics

[@TrailPOV]

Glad to help. Great bike!

[@etiennekros680]

Please keep making these type of videos, I love it !

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@CantTalkImRiding]

This info is SO HELPFUL. I'm a designer, not an engineer so all these anti squat, anti rise, chain growth.... that stuff just confuses me. It really helps when you explain what these graphs mean.

[@TrailPOV]

Glad you liked them. Who are you designing for?

[@Cycle_Smith]

Great videos! I’d love to see CBF as used in revel and Canfield bikes. They have a different ride than anything else. Keep it up!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much. I'll certainly keep the CBF in mind.

[@1slashmri]

I have spent the last 8 months riding the 2019 Ripmo and can say it is the finest bike I've ever ridden in this bike catagory. It's light, pedals efficient and jumps well. Truly a jack of all trades...

[@TrailPOV]

Awesome. Glad you're liking it! Happy trails

[@quinncolby]

I agree Its a great bike for just about everything

[@RyuMoto]

It definitely rides better than the numbers and geo suggests. I agree. too bad most people think we're smoking something :)

[@TrailPOV]

@@RyuMoto Haha

[@jkostans]

It’s too bad this channel never caught on. Really powerful insight on these bikes, much better than the usual buzzword descriptions you get from everyone else

[@sonnduro]

Great stuff!! Love learning bout this stuff, makes me get more excited about bikes. I want to see a video about Revel bikes and how the CBF works.

[@TrailPOV]

There have been many asking about the Revel. There will be a video coming in the future

[@rcplanefunguy1212]

Subbed. Really good content.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much.

[@espsixstrings]

I'd be very interested to see your explanation of the new Specialized Enduro suspension!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the feedback. You're certainly not the only one. It is in the queue.

[@the.bryce.maxwell]

Would be interested to see an analysis of the CBF system found on the Revel Bikes

[@TrailPOV]

There have been multiple requests for that. It's in the queue

[@RyuMoto]

I've been waiting for this! Thank you!!!

[@TrailPOV]

Very welcome. This was one of my most ambitious and time intensive projects to date....hope you like it

[@RyuMoto]

It explains some of what I'm feeling in the Ripmo V1. Thanks much. I love these.

[@RyuMoto]

@@TrailPOV I'll be honest, I had to watch this a few times to digest the concepts. It seems you like the V2 kinematics overall? Would that be accurate to say? Are there any situations where the V1 would be preferred? I noticed you said in the V1 the rear kinematics act to promote linear rates. Wouldn't that be beneficial in some situations?

[@TrailPOV]

@@RyuMoto Not surprising.....I try to pack a lot of info in on the assumption that one can always rewind if necessary. For the style of riding I do I would prefer the V2. If you have a lot of smoother flowy terrain without big hits thrown in, then the V1 might be a good option. Or if you're a real fan of coil shocks but don't want the weight penalty or less fine-tuning that normally comes with a coil, then the V1 might be a good option.

[@lowflyingdonut]

Thank you! You keep posting exactly the video I want to see.

[@TrailPOV]

Glad to hear!

[@DemonicVelocity]

I love your analysises.

[@nicktapias3425]

Also curious on the CVA pivot design, and Maestro as well.

[@TrailPOV]

Good point about CVA. Nobody's mentioned it until now.

[@trugearreviewmtb2226]

I think maestro and DW are close to the same thing. I know Dave sued giant several years back because they had him design and license a suspension design for them and then they never paid him and re marketed it as maestro (i think it was supposed to be called DW+). They eventually ended up settling. The two systems may have diverged since then but initially they were nearly identical.

[@TrailPOV]

@@trugearreviewmtb2226 You are correct

[@mountainbiker8904]

Would you make a video on the Revel Canfield Brothers suspension system?

[@TrailPOV]

It's in the queue :)

[@chriskennedy7321]

Would you break down the Ripley LS suspension please.

[@TrailPOV]

Probably won't happen for a while but I'll keep it in mind if there's enough interest in shorter travel bikes

[@chriskennedy7321]

@@TrailPOV No problem. Thanks for considering. I'm building a bike on a budget, and that frame can be found for a good price. I realize things are going longer, slacker, but the cost for the newest is lost on me. Or, economically speaking, for me return on additional investment to buy more travel, longer, and slacker would net me zero additional utils, since I descend at a, let's say, more conservative pace. Further, longer travel will not help my climbs with which I'm far more concerned. Coming down is fun, but less hike-a-bike up is heaven. Again, thanks.

[@TrailPOV]

@@chriskennedy7321 Makes sense. All the best with the build!

[@chriskennedy7321]

@@TrailPOV I hope it does. Thanks for the work you put into your channel.

[@mddobbs]

@@TrailPOV Hi Chris, I really appreciate your analysis and I see you have received a long list of requests! I am interested in Ripley v4 and wonder how much different it is from the Ripmo v2. I see a big advantage in terms of weight savings for my style of riding. I have a long wait before they become more readily available.

[@morpheus6d9]

Im glad , i found your channel im a data nerd 😎 you need to do a video on Revel bikes

[@TrailPOV]

Glad you like it :)

[@JoshMKelly]

can you do one on the new pivot switchblade 2020 thanks

[@TrailPOV]

It's in the queue

[@phodee6]

@@TrailPOV love to see one on the pivot Trail 429

[@nickabritt851]

Can't wait to see how you dissect the new specialized enduro suspension

[@TrailPOV]

Coming soon to a screen near you 😀

[@TrailPOV]

A video on the Specialized Enduro vs YT Capra 29 just went live on Patreon if you're interested

[@travelthenarrowtrail8660]

I totally agree on the high anti-squat as I feel the Ripmo carbon to not be as supple as you would like- to say a VPP but a VPP lower link bike does not climb like a Ripmo.

[@TrailPOV]

You're not the only who has that same feeling about the two

[@taurtearl]

I would be interested to see a video on the Naild R3ACT 2Play suspension system on bikes like the Marin Wolf Ridge and Polygon Xquareone. It's such a novel design, but is it really better?

[@TrailPOV]

Definitely is a novel design. I'll be sure to add it to the queue.

[@normegaskins]

This is great! Can you do one on the Pivot DW-link suspension? I feel like its pedaling platform is like the Yeti, but more plush and in the mid stroke?!

[@TrailPOV]

Hoping to get this video out within the next week or two.

[@residentevil36936936]

Hey can you do the revel rail

[@TrailPOV]

So many requests for this bike lately. It is in the queue :)

[@residentevil36936936]

@@TrailPOV your the man.

[@johnmeed2243]

Can you do a suspension review on the Revel Rascal with some comparisons to other brands? Love how technical you get on suspension.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much. There will be a video on the Revel bikes in the future.

[@marcwarren683]

The Ripmo does climb amazingly well. So good! However it rides like a nervous XC bike on stilts on the downhill. Loving these videos!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks and thanks for the feedback about the Ripmo. Is that the V1 or V2 Ripmo?

[@marcwarren683]

Trail POV That was the V1. Even at 40% sag I still felt like I was on top of the suspension, instead of in it. Great for pedaling, bad for downhill. I prefer the DH feel rather than the XC feel on the Enduro spread.

[@sham8723]

@@marcwarren683 V2 with a -1* angleset FTW

[@christiandruan]

I ride the V2 and I’ve never felt like I didn’t have enough bike!

[@SuperERICZ]

What was the change in the pivot/linkage geometry between the two models? Wondering if there’s a potential for some parts change to update a V1 to the newer kinematic or if it’s a function of pivot location in the frame and swingarm.

[@TrailPOV]

The new bike appears to have the shock mounted lower down on the down-tube making it impossible for you to just take the shock U-link for instance from the V2 bike and using it on the V1. The whole rear triangle looks almost untouched.

[@SuperERICZ]

@@TrailPOV Thanks for the reply. I ask because I’ve been wondering if an offset bushing installed to raise the forward shock mount would help the deeper end of the stroke. The linkage yoke is very close to the swingarm with the bike unloaded, not sure if there’s clearance to attempt to lower the forward shock mount.

[@grahampye2314]

Hey, great videos. Please go further into some of the unusual stuff out there... like differences between different approaches to single pivot - how different is a well designed linkage driven single pivot vs the high profile designs. And Delta Link (Evil), Knolly's design for a Horst(ish) link, Marin/Polygon's Naild design, ABP etc...

[@TrailPOV]

Currently working on a vid for two different single pivot designs, and in the future there will be a high pivot comparison

[@nejcstern3747]

Very interesting video format👌🏻, keep it up. I would like to see how does specialized enduro 2020 compare to other bikes since they said their suspension design completley isolates braking and pedaling from suspension.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much. The Enduro is in the queue.

[@samphilx4]

Can you do the Orbea occam?

[@TrailPOV]

I'll keep it in mind. The queue is long

[@chrisbraun72]

would LOVE to see 2 Dave Weagle designs side by side DW-LINK VS Split Pivot (devinci)

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the input. You're not the first to be intrigued by these two.

[@i20010]

Why doesn't the chain-stay revolve around the crank? Why all bikes place the pivot above the obvious center, the crank? thanks

[@TrailPOV]

Having the pivot at the cranks might help chain growth, but it would lead to low anti-rise, horrible anti-squat and a wheel path that is forward not rearward.....so the bike would actually not be very nice to ride.

[@i20010]

@@TrailPOV Got it, thanks!

[@NDemanuele1]

Very informative video! Question: You mentioned there are better designs in certain aspects than DW-Link? Can you provide some examples? Thanks

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much. The Yeti SB150 has an anti-squat that drops off deep in the travel which equals plusher feel. Also for those who don't do a lot of climbing, they may prefer less anti-rise such as the Scott Ransom as an example.

[@72685rx]

Can you please do this analysis with the 2019/2020 YT Jeffsy?

[@MAXlMUS]

Brilliant, thank you! Ibis rocks!

[@TrailPOV]

You're welcome!

[@gravitybass]

I've owned and put 1k+ miles on both the Ripmo V1 and now the AF and the differences are pretty huge. I much prefer the AF, however I've been riding my Norco Sight VLT 29 a ton recently (E-bike will do that to ya, you'll pull it out over and over and over) and am reaaaly noticing the pedal kickback of the Ripmo when I get back on it. It'd be cool if you could do the analog Sight and the Sight VLT! I'm considering swapping my Ripmo AF out for the analog Sight.

[@TrailPOV]

Interesting to hear about V1 vs V2 being so different. Thanks for the suggestion

[@johnsterfer5906]

Really good stuff! I would love to see how Maestro compares. Maybe a comparison on the Trance, Reign, and Ripmo frames? Oh and also Pivots as well. Keep it up!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much. Maestro will be covered in due time.

[@johnsterfer5906]

@@TrailPOV thanks dude. Can't wait to see.

[@thetigers2803]

Does this rule out a coil on a V1 Ripmo even if you used a progressive coil spring?

[@TrailPOV]

A progressive coil spring would be doable on this bike for sure

[@thetigers2803]

@@TrailPOV Thanks you so much!

[@xandercl1819]

What suspension design do you think is better? The DW Link on a Ibis or the Switch Infinity on a Yeti. I ride Utah trails. So a pretty good mix of climbing and descending.

[@TrailPOV]

They're both such awesome bikes....can't really go wrong

[@jimprater407]

love the mechanical kinematic analysis. what happens to the Ripmo if the main lower pivot was moved back 20 mm so that the chain stay was 20 mm shorter?

[@johnmtb4941]

It would be really cool to see the canyon strive in pedal vs DH mode.

[@TrailPOV]

I'm very intrigued myself on this....there will be a video coming in the future.

[@johnmtb4941]

@@TrailPOV I have the the older 2018 27.5 model if you need anything.

[@TrailPOV]

@@johnmtb4941 Thanks for the offer

[@MrDjindian]

Glad I stumbled across this channel! Can you please do the Evil Offering? I'd like to see how the Delta Link does on paper.

[@TrailPOV]

Glad you stumbled across as well. You're not the first to mention the Evil bikes...it's on my radar

[@MrDjindian]

Please do! I'm torn between the Ripmo and Offering.

[@henri-basilhearne3480]

Did you by any chance do a video on the Ibis Ripley comparison? Great video btw!

[@TrailPOV]

Haven't looked at the Ripley yet either here or on Patreon

[@cyclepath55555]

Would like to know the differences between the Ripmo V2 and the 2020 Ripley....

[@TrailPOV]

The V2 and 2020 are the same bike. The AF (aluminum) shares the same suspension design as the V2 (carbon) also.

[@cyclepath55555]

@@TrailPOV Thanks!

[@theworldofbikes6380]

Io ho in possesso un ibis ripmo AF mi consiglieresti un sistema oChain su questa bici per combattere il fenomeno del pedal kickback ?

[@TrailPOV]

ochain is a great tool for reducing or eliminating pedal kickback

[@stevengien5409]

i would be interested in seeing the DW link compared to the split pivot used by Devinci

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion. Several have wondered this same thing.

[@ChristaanSwart]

How is the centre of Gravity position for each bike calculated?

[@TrailPOV]

It's based on several articles I read including one by Cannondale that gave rough guidelines for acceptable values. Because the rider is moving around so much it isn't going to perfect all the time, but I'm at a consistent height for all the bikes I've done for ease of comparison.

[@joalst1]

What are your thoughts about running a high engagement hub (ie. Industry 9) with the V2 considering the high anti-squat numbers? Would this exacerbate the feeling at the pedals? Would the suspension be fighting your pedals more when compared to a “traditional” hub?

[@TrailPOV]

IMO it would likely make the problem slightly worse especially since the suspension wouldn't be free to absorb the really tiny chatter on the trail without working against your pedals even on the smallest rocks (which normally would be taken up by the slack in pawl engagement). However, without getting on the trail with this latest bike with that hub setup it's hard to say.

[@joalst1]

Trail POV I had the same thought as well. I feel like this topic isn’t talked about much. Especially for those that run flat pedals. It seems reasonable to say that pedal kickback would be much more noticeable. I’m not even sure how you’d be able to perform that test with visible results beyond just trying it yourself, but it would be interesting to find out. Maybe high engagement hubs are optimal for high-pivot, idler-pulley bikes? The world may never know! Haha

[@silhill3914]

Please make also a Video about DW split pivot

[@alpinehighs]

Great video but you haven’t addressed how you tune the progression with volume spacers. Metric shocks in particular need careful tuning with volume spacers to adjust the ride feel.

[@TrailPOV]

Unfortunately I can only cover so much in these videos. I use the same shock curve for ever bike so I can compare frame to frame without taking into account shock tunes...which is an art to itself

[@alpinehighs]

Trail POV would be good to see a video on this. Use a well known popular bike and show the effects of adding and removing spacers/tokens.

[@timothywee5360]

Awesome stuff!! Could we have a video on the canyon strive, and how the shapeshifter system changes its suspension? Thanks!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much. There have been several requests for the Canyon so it very much may make it into a future video.

[@ryanhicks382]

I ordered a ripmo v2. Due to covid 19, I may have to wait until august. I ride really tough local trails. I wanted something that can climb really well while still being able to go down hill and corner well. Right now I ride a 2016 stump jumper Carbon 6fattie. I wish it just went a little faster downhill when I smash rock gardens. I saw a lot of enduro racers have won with the HD 4/5. Do you think I would regret this buy? I still have time now.

[@TrailPOV]

Own it and love it! No regrets.

[@booger1717]

What do you think about Cane Creek progressive spring for Ripmo'19 for someone who prefers coil "feeling"?

[@TrailPOV]

Unfortunately I don't have any experience with that shock. But. would imagine if it's a progressive coil that it would work well on the V2 due to its already higher progressivity.

[@booger1717]

@@TrailPOV Cane Creek says that their progressive spring is linear at first 50% of the travel and then it starts to ramp up (for example 450lbs spring ramps up to to 550 lbs). It should match CCBD Air with large volume spacer. I want to put progressive spring and CCDB Coil in Ripmo V1, what's why I'm asking.

[@TrailPOV]

@@booger1717 Sorry for misreading. If it matches an air in the last 50% then I would say it's likely to work on the first gen...especially if you aren't hitting 6ft drops with it.

[@Vader383]

Please do a video on the giant maestro suspension system!!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the input. This video will be coming in the future.....so far the Forbidden Druid is leading by a wide margin in my Patreon poll.

[@superboost1574]

Is this similar to the dw link on the pivot firebird 29?

[@TrailPOV]

Take a look into my video on the Switchblade which compares the two DW-link implementations: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpTCdqWkisyXY8U

[@tobywonkinoby8916]

Very cool video. I love analytical content like this. Is there any chance you can analyze the new Santa Cruz v10 29er?

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep the DH bike in mind

[@crossbladetube]

Please review Hi-pivot bike!

[@brassmnky33]

Where do you get the data for these bikes? I would like to look at values for other bikes.

[@TrailPOV]

I custom calculate all the data

[@brassmnky33]

Love the content. I guess I would like to see a revel suspension video.

[@TrailPOV]

@@brassmnky33 There have been several requests for that suspension

[@falllinemaniac]

A paralysis from analysis 😁 Graphs and data are great for design and comparison, how a bike rides is where the rubber meets the dirt. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Ibis has a perennial bike of the year with the bike that has the most chain growth, with a linear rate no less. Looking at your data, it seems like a miserable ride in the rough trying to power down with that much pedal feedback. But overwhelming numbers of riders love the pudding Ibis concocted here.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the feedback. There are many other YTers that are doing reviews I wanted to do something different. As mentioned in my summary, yes people do love them.

[@jonathanzumwalt4392]

Can you speak on the advantages and disadvantages of having a higher starting point (V2 vs V1) in the leverage ratio?

[@TrailPOV]

Having a progressive start to the leverage ratio means that it should have better small bump compliance because the wheel force can easily overcome the shock friction (because it's got a bigger lever arm), and because damping forces are lower at lower shock speeds (which occur when the leverage ratio is higher). If the starting point is too high and the curve is too progressive overall (think Capra) then the shock gets firm quickly during it's travel as it ramps up so much.

[@donjf12]

Great stuff, your clearly onto something with these reviews and explaining how all the designs work, you make them easy to grasp. I see many requests for all kinds of designs so I guess I will put mine in as well, the Propain Spindrift or Commencal with idler pulley or new Canfield. If you haven't already posted, what is your goto suspension design?

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the input. Feel free to join me on my Patreon polls to vote for the next vid. As to my goto design, based on what I've learned I'm leaning toward the Yeti or Ripmo V2 designs so far, but I can't afford either so I'll just stick with my bike 🙂

[@donjf12]

@@TrailPOV I hear that, I fancy the design I can afford as well.

[@lukedesaulniers4215]

Would love to see the Devinci Troy 29, as a DW split-pivot bike with high anti-squat values. Cheers!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@bahoooutot]

Hi really love your content. Do you think you can do an older model like the mojo hd3?

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the input

[@TheNationalTrails]

The Traction Tune air shocks add high levels of low-speed compression. The end-ramp feels linear, not progressive, given the rider needs to push through very high compression levels. I really like the V1 and V2, but find a very light shock tune suits the nature of the anti-squat superbly. Adding slight rebound levels and having good anti-squat works quite well for staying on top of the trail. The low-speed compression on the "Traction Tune" is like adding in severe levels of mid-stroke wallow. That said, its mind blowing how poorly tuned it is stocked with vs what it is capable of when comparred to the competition. Then again, this does make for a mind-blowing upgrade path.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for all the details!

[@shadyss96]

Id love for you to check out the UNNO dash!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the input!

[@bikewhorder]

Can you do the Jamis Hardline? Looks like a good design on paper.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion

[@Trailblazerz710]

Thank you really helped me too understand the changes in the V1 vs V2. Could you do one on the new Guerrilla Gravity Modular frame bikes?

[@TrailPOV]

Never heard of them before. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@habiby203]

Hopefully you have plans for the banshee spitfire

[@TrailPOV]

Nobody has brought that one up so far. With enough interest from others....it might make it up the list

[@andrewgreenwood8727]

Great vid fascinating !! Can you do a breakdown on the Transition sentinel V2 " giddy up " suspension please !!! 👍

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@Mr_RichardH]

Fascinating, just like the SB150 video you made. The comparison added an extra dimension. How about comparing a Yeti SB130 against the 150? Or a SB140?

[@TrailPOV]

Everything takes time unfortunately. But there is very likely to be a video like that in the future. Thanks for the feedback.

[@felipefarias7654]

Is there a trade-off on having lower Anti-Rise numbers? (say, like the Scott Ransom 54%)

[@TrailPOV]

The bike will be able to pitch forward a lot more when braking rather than remaining very level if the anti-rise is very low. But it does result in a more lively suspension that isn't affected by braking as much.

[@felipefarias7654]

@@TrailPOV Nice! I guess that it comes to preferences then. Which range would you say is the "sweet spot" in your experience?

[@TrailPOV]

@@felipefarias7654 It definitely does come down to preference. Between my experience and reading about a lot of bikes it seems like between 70 and 90 is the sweet spot

[@felipefarias7654]

@@TrailPOV Great info and awesome channel mate! i'm learning a lot, thanks.

[@TrailPOV]

@@felipefarias7654 Great to hear. Thanks!

[@edneldavid4324]

Awesome video.. Can you do review of the DELTA link suspension for Evil bikes.. especially the Offering model..

[@TrailPOV]

You're not the first to mention this bike :)

[@esdubya]

Dude great content but you’ve got your work cut out for you! I’d like to see Evils Delta link. Maestro. The new Specialized Enduro and Stumpy. To start with😬

[@TrailPOV]

That is quite the list 😋

[@TrailPOV]

A video on the Specialized Enduro vs YT Capra 29 just went live on Patreon if you're interested

[@maxlaguda4232]

Imagine if there was like an application where you chose a bike and it automatically analyses the bike

[@Cbagz795]

Cool vid! I really enjoyed the technical content. I wonder what the differences would be in the YT Jeffsy Mk2 v Mk3.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the feedback

[@Candesce]

I would like to see a video on the Pole Evolink system. I ride an Evolink 140 so I'm curious to know how terrible or not it is. I haven't seen a real review on Pole's suspension design yet. Personally, having ridden the bike for two years, I'm quite fond of it, but it could be buyer bias and/or ignorance talking.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the feedback. I can add it to the queue.

[@xbr2520]

Nice vid, but what about the Ripmo AF? Any differences?

[@TrailPOV]

Ripmo V2 is the same as the AF except in carbon

[@dipo4life2010]

Are you reading this of some kind of spec sheet or website descriptions?

[@TrailPOV]

I custom calculate everything based on 2D CAD diagrams provided by the manufacturer

[@dipo4life2010]

Trail POV not bad 👍🏽. Do you ride them too?

[@TrailPOV]

@@dipo4life2010 At this point no, but I have talked with several bike stores about the possibility of doing this, to find out if I can actually sense the differences that appear on paper

[@dipo4life2010]

Trail POV that would make your findings on paper even more accurate or far from it. It will give you a better opinion on both bikes and overall comparisons

[@sham8723]

Thanks for doing the Ripmo / V2. This vid makes me want to try an O-chain, since kickback seems to be the primary bottleneck that you point out. Loam Ranger has a video about mulleting the bike with a (reverse mounted / steeper) offset shock bushing. Do you have any off the cuff remarks on how that should affect performance?

[@TrailPOV]

Mulletting will make minimal impact to the suspension response, but will improve roll-over/speed

[@jessecooper6310]

Giant Maestro analysis? Pretty please.

[@sha317]

nice videos , what about a single pivot Kona process 153

[@movementbartholemew6816]

Awesome video

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks!

[@pinoypridemtb]

Hi , wondering if you can help me. Coil or air shock in Ripmo V2? Never used a coil shock before. Interested on this bike and debating to use coil or Air shock? By the way, I learned a lot on this video. Thanks!

[@TrailPOV]

Hi Dennis. Glad you liked it. Coil vs air is very personal preference. The V2 has a progressive enough design that coil is possible without constantly bottoming out. If you're hitting consistent terrain with lots of choppy small hits and not much uphill then coil might be a good option. If you hit bigger stuff or like changing it up from local XC-ish type trails to big park rising, then air might be a better bet as you can quickly and easily tweak it using a pump. Try demo the two (if you're able) in the spring.

[@pinoypridemtb]

Thanks! Very helpful!

[@Fuse_146]

Def a personal preference, but the cool thing is that Fox's air shock has made huge improvements, and their coil is already super predictable and even over the entire stroke. Personally, the coil is perfect for all the conditions I ride, from XC to DH. Demo or commit, you can't go wrong

[@dgreensotr]

Great stuff! I just subbed. Trek touts their ABP. How does their geo match up against the other linkages out there?

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks! Trek is on my radar along with Rebel and Canyon. Stay tuned.

[@andrewleighton472]

+1 for the trek. Interested to see how they compare. +1 sub from me 👍🏽

[@TrailPOV]

@@andrewleighton472 Thanks for the feedback

[@Cg-fh5re]

Very cool Videos. Could you make a force over Travel Chart With same bike but different air Shock Spacers and air pressure adjusted to same force at full travel? I wonder how initial suppleness and overall energy absorption (integral over force(travel)•deltaTravel as well as mid stroke dupliert will differ

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the input. So far I have shy'ed away from shock technology itself as it is so dependent on the specific shock and dimensional data of the internals of that shock.

[@dtal310]

How do things change when looking at the 27.5 Mojo 4? Would be great to see a comparison against the Ripley. Great videos with tons of detail.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the question. Perhaps I will look into those two at a later date

[@MasterChronometer]

I’d like to hear your thoughts on a ‘full floating’ design like vitus or trek

[@TrailPOV]

Interestingly, with the improvements to shock technology very few of Trek's bikes use the full-floater anymore.

[@JorgeAlvarez-ex3vs]

It would be great if you compared also a single pivot design

[@TrailPOV]

That video is coming later this week :)

[@JorgeAlvarez-ex3vs]

@@TrailPOV Awesome, as even though single pivot designs are less versatile and don't allow the fine tuning of the characteristics, they are cheaper, more reliable and easier to service.

[@JeepsLostLegend]

Great analysis... do all the DW Links work the same and how does bike geometry affect the DW suspension. For example does the Pivot DW Switchblade pedal as efficiently as the Ripmo... also can you do a comparison between the old Pivot SB and the New SB.

[@TrailPOV]

I've done the analysis but not the video. You'll have to stick around to find out :)

[@JeepsLostLegend]

@@TrailPOV subscription engaged... 👍

[@FoCoFlowShow]

This stuff is FASCINATING - thanks for putting in the time. I am sure this has been explained elsewhere but EXACTLY prevents certain bikes like the RV1 from running a coil shock?

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks!

[@sebastianfs3825]

Please make the review of the polygon xquar one naild react suspension!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for your input

[@sebastianfs3825]

@@TrailPOV thanks for your videos! Great contribution for the mtb community

[@hummer694life]

really enjoy these... for something out of the ordinary, could you do the Norco Aurum HSP and/or Forbidden Druid?

[@TrailPOV]

Ooh, the big toys. It's possible I'll start looking at them in the future.

[@hummer694life]

@@TrailPOV curious on the leverage curve on the Norco... can't seem to find any info.

[@TrailPOV]

@@hummer694life Haven't run the numbers unfortunately. But good to know there may be very little info out there....all the more reason for me to put something together at some point

[@claritean]

Absolutely awesome stuff! Could I ask for DELTA analysis?

[@TrailPOV]

Delta is coming this week

[@newbiemtb6741]

Great explanation. I'm currently looking at the Ibis Ripmo AF and the Giant Trance 29. Are you planning on a review on the Maestro suspension?

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much. So far the Canyon seems to be in the lead, but if you choose to support me via Patreon I would likely bump the Maestro up the queue. These videos are very time intensive so unfortunately I cannot pump them out weekly.

[@superlauhea]

Please do a Suspension Review for Delta Linkage Evil Wreckoning. BIG Big Thanks

[@TrailPOV]

You're not the first to mention this bike so looks likely it'll be done sometime sooner rather than later.

[@patrixdan2661]

Hi, thank you for the great videos. They are really helpful and interesting. I ride a ripmo af (or v2) with a jade x coil shock. Sometimes I was bottoming out although my sag was around 27 %, so I swapped to a progressive canecreek spring with the same initial spring rate of 450 lbs. At the same time I changed the chain and shortened it 2 more links then recommended to make the bike absolutely quiet. Now the bike feels less supple und bigger hits. Does the shorter chain affect pedal kickback and the suppleness of the suspension? Or is more due to the progressive coil? If it is more because of the coil, do you think I could improve it by decreasing the bladder pressure of the shock? Thank you in advance. Cheers!

[@TrailPOV]

My guess it that has to do with the progressive coil. Making it softer can be accomplished with lighter spring or lower bladder pressure. Lowering the spring with make your bike less poppy and lively while lower bladder pressure alone with make your bike more lively. Kinda depends on what you're looking for....a planted feeling or being able to hop and bounce over and off things down the trail.

[@patrixdan2661]

@@TrailPOV thank you. Actually I am looking for both. Planted and some pop when needed. So I am going to lower the bladder pressure. Maybe I'll have to speed up the rebound then.

[@steveo8424]

Please do the mojo 3?

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep this bike in mind for a future vid.