Revel RAIL CBF Suspension Design REVIEW

[@revelbikes]

Thanks for having a look at our bike!

[@TrailPOV]

I'm really impressed with it. It may very well replace my current bike sometime in the future :)

[@dawnpoint]

Thanks Revel Bikes for designing such awesome bikes! CBF for life!

[@TrailPOV]

@Bishop Sharp Glad you enjoyed the vid

[@Dude-Smellmyhelmet]

I just built up a Rail. Love it. One minor issue but I still love it.

[@vultussursum165]

@@TrailPOV I just sold my Switchblade and am looking for a new company to support, Ibis is in the running as is yours, but I'm in lust with that Orange/Gold color you offer, and that just might be the clincher.

[@Veil_Ants]

We need to find a way to get this guy more than 5k views. Absolutely love the info.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much. Feel free to share it on social media or Reddit. I try to not constantly post to those places to reduce people annoyed by it :)

[@waterbuddy92]

agree! nice to have someone outside of revel review it as in depth as they do....but with a different angle

[@flame7710]

man your content is exactly what youtube needed... bike suspension analysis explained easy and straightforward with interesting bikes. also i'd like to see a analysis of the pivot switchblade, and what makes it so special.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much for your encouragement and suggestion

[@nathanwforrest]

An analysis of one of the Spot bikes with their Living Link carbon leaf link might be pretty interesting and/or challenging

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the input

[@erpol9258]

You should review the polygon xquareone enduro or dh.

[@etiennef3126]

Can you do this for knolly bike ? They said their suspension are one of the best .... but we are not sure ! 😅

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion! They're actually located about a 5 min bike ride from my house :)

[@etiennef3126]

Trail POV and you are able with at ? We can go buy one blindly ? Thanks for your answers ! 👍

[@TrailPOV]

@@etiennef3126 If enough people vote for the Knolly in my poll I could definately do one for them.

[@roondoggers87]

Second vote for Knolly. Current ride is the Endorphin, love it to death.

[@dawnpoint]

I've got a Canfield Balance (same suspension) so I can confidently say the hype is 100% real. It really is a zero-compromise suspension design.

[@TrailPOV]

Awesome to hear!

[@moonmuscle3332]

@@TrailPOV hey...can you do the canfield balance? please? hit me up...ill possibly pay for it

[@TrailPOV]

@@moonmuscle3332 Hi Daniel. I allow the ability to request reviews over on Patreon (patreon.com/trailpov)

[@WesMacaulay]

I've learned so much more from your frame analysis about what anti-rise/squat, brake jack and leverage ratio do and how designers make it happen. AWESOME!

[@TrailPOV]

Glad I could help!

[@coltonbarkham9487]

Please do modern maestro suspension like On the trance

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion. It will be coming in the future at some point.

[@larshansen6939]

Would love to see you do a review on the new Banshee KS2 suspension layout?

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion

[@jo_-fv9jf]

Thanks for the great Content!!! I really enjoy your suspension reviews! I would like to see the mid-link from fuji bikes reviewed. I know it isn't a popular mtb brand but the linkage looks interesting.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the compliment and suggestion!

[@vladmarcu225]

Keep up the great work! You are by far the best channel I've seen so far in doing this kind of analysis. I would like to suggest you do a review of the Canyon Strive (29er) suspension system. It has some great deals in terms of raw specs and components and it would be great to find out how its rather unique geometry (shapeshifter) stacks up against its competitors. I know that a review would involve more work compared to other, more traditional bikes(in terms of suspension), but I think it would be absolutely great to see a review! Thanks for reading :)

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much. The Strive has been in my poll several times but so far hasn't been the one selected. It will happen sometime in the future, because I'm curious too :)

[@mauort6870]

Very high quality content and production. Well done

[@TrailPOV]

Much appreciated!

[@symmetricon1982]

Great work as usual. I'd love to see the Pole Stamina, Raaw Madonna V2 and the Privateer 161 suspension kinematics reviewed.

[@TrailPOV]

You're the second person to mention the Raaw today. Thanks for the suggestions

[@markjohnson5502]

2nd the Pole and the Privateer

[@symmetricon1982]

@@markjohnson5502 the Privateer looks awesome, great geo, has great components and is an incredible value. I'm surprised there isn't more hype around this bike.

[@warwicksmart2051]

Excellent series. Great view of the axle path. Most suspension vids fall flat there. I've always been a fan of Maestro suspension. I would be fascinated to see you explain the Giant Reign.

[@TrailPOV]

Glad you've liked them so far. Maestro has been on my poll for a while now but so far hasn't been the one selected.

[@Owmarsh12]

I’ve got 3 bikes I’m interested in. First is Diamondbacks level link design, and I would love to see a comparison of some of the shorter travel Santa Cruz bikes (tallboy vs 5010) (upper vs lower link driven VPP)

[@TrailPOV]

So many options :) Thanks for the suggestion

[@michaelkay4464]

I second the tb, that may be because I ride a TB4 tho :)

[@kevinclark9176]

Love this informative videos, really helps to understand what's going on and intended. I do wish this included comparison with the Ripmo V2 and Switchblade though as CBF is bascially a DW-Link copy with the IC moved to a specific spot.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@vot4pedro1]

Best bike suspension tech content. Would like to see DW link design vs Transition Spur design comparison. Having hard time deciding between Ibis, Revel or new trans Spur.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestions

[@JJEK_915]

Would love to see analysis of Devinci’s Split Pivot design.. specifically the Spartan 29. Thanks!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion. So far there's been more questions for the Trek ABP which uses the same rear axle pivot. But I'll keep Devinci in mind.

[@TeeLichtet]

Trail POV you could also consider Orbea as their system utilizes the same approach.

[@JJEK_915]

Sounds good. If you go that route, it would be great if you could mention similarities and differences between Trek’s ABP and Devinci’s Split Pivot. Still selfishly hoping to see a Spartan 29 video tho :)

[@TrailPOV]

@@JJEK_915 Great idea

[@TrailPOV]

@@TeeLichtet Good suggestion

[@LegendsOfTheLoam]

Thanks for the super informative content 👊 I'm not going to suggest anything in particular just wanted to show some appreciation since I've learned a lot. Enjoying the variety so far anyway and looking forward to some more comparisons 😁

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much for the compliment!!

[@dhrracer]

A few things. The first is the term brake jack. I think of this as extending the rear suspension not compressing hence the term (jack). Such as was found on some bikes of the late nineties and early 2000's. Have you looked at Chris Currie's 3VO (speedgoat.bike)? I would like to see how his design compares to both the Revel and Turner's RFX 4.0.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the input and bike suggestion...I have not taken a look at 3VO yet. Regarding brake 'jack', I guess technically it's brake squat rather than jack, but most people haven't heard of brake squat, only brake jack, and only know what brake jack feels like. Brake squat is the suspension compressing and getting firm, while brake jack is the suspension not wanting to compress and also getting firm. I was trying to refer to brake stiffening overall that's common place with single pivots. Sorry for the confusion.

[@The80shilling]

I got to test ride a Revel Ranger, and MAN was it good! I ride a hardtail at the moment, and I have a couple of local 15-20 mile rides I usually do 3 times a week. I took the Ranger on one of those rides, and it climbed shockingly well for a full suspension bike. Not quite as efficient as my hardtail, but far better than a couple of other full suspension bikes I have tested on that ride. There was zero bob under hard climbing (as far as I could tell) and it was a cushy rocket down the hills. I ride in Northern CA where the trails are dry, gravelly and rutted, with quite a few rocks sticking out from the hardpack. The Ranger is what I'm saving my pennies for, so I can buy the frame and transfer all the good parts from my hardtail onto it.

[@TrailPOV]

Nice. Happy Trails!

[@bikernaut1]

Giant Maestro on Anthem

[@jakobhammerer3508]

Amazing Video!!! I was wondering if you have any sugesstions for good literature to write an scientific work about the physiks of the rear suspension of mountainbikes. Thanks

[@TrailPOV]

Unfortunately nothing all encompassing. Have slowly gotten more information for tons of articles, books and videos over the years

[@federicogomezdelc.1882]

It should be great if you can do it for the maestro floating pivot of the giant reign! Great videos! Keep the good work 🦾

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much! Maestro will be coming in the near future 👍

[@area4race]

I would like to see a video on a Liteville 301 Bike, pretty unique linkage

[@TrailPOV]

Never heard of it. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@sarthakkokane5776]

Good day, I really enjoy these videos and hope to see more soon! I was wondering if you have heard of the Trigon ts827 ? It used a titanium flatbar in place of a pivoting chainstay. I would be keen on a video on that system. Thank you 😊

[@TrailPOV]

Never heard of that bike. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@tomek6481]

can you make overview of hipper bike suspension UNNO Burn ? It’s nothing about this.

[@TrailPOV]

Never even heard of them. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@tomek6481]

Please take a look can be interesting 🤔

[@MrJonnysalami]

can you do this for propain spindrift or a propain tyee? love this videos

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion. The Tyee has made it onto my polls but so far hasn't been the selected one.

[@DylanDavidVindasLopez]

have you heard of the AOS suspension sistem by GT?

[@TrailPOV]

I have. Very unique for sure. So far it hasn't been heavily requested by the KZbin community.

[@eugenux]

@@TrailPOV I have the latest iteration of their I-Drive on my custom Sanction and demoed/tried all their AOS bike range. Basically, in my experience, they don't feel that supple of the top but, my G.O.D., when you are putting the hammer down, those square edges "magically" dissapear from the trail, be it on the 110mm Helion(AOS) or on the big hitter Sanction(I-drive); I took a Helion with 130mm Pike in front on a red bike-park trail in northern Italy and I could not believe how fast I could get on it, not because of the Pike in front but, because of the suspension system in the back. The free-floating BBs with that rearward axle-path could have been a thing, especially since it involved using only a single-pivot but, yeah..the industry and also GT wanted something more easy to work with and more efficient so, that is why 90% of the current bikes are with a damn horst-link. It is not that is bad or something..but, based on my personal experience, I have to yet to encounter one that gives a distinct feeling. When you have a 16kg super-enduro bike(180mm fork) that pedals up-hill in open mode with a sporty feeling and then, when you point it down, makes big roots and rocks and all of the square edge type of obstacles non-existent, I for sure can forgive the less supple feeling of the top, as new/current bikes/designs offer. This year I will get another bike, a very capable one, the winning EWS type...but, I sure am going to miss my big old GT.

[@TheWeaksoup]

Awesome! Probably not popular brand but can you do Guerilla Gravity?

[@tobywonkinoby8916]

Another great video!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks!

[@95lscivic]

Jamis 3VO soon!!! Very interesting design.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@leonvanhees4738]

Great content! So, I am curious if your analysis shows this, but will an oval chainring have a negative effect on this suspension design?

[@TrailPOV]

Happy New Year. Nothing inherently special about an oval chainring except that it's tooth size changes as you rotate. So when it's a 'bigger tooth' you'll have marginally less kickback and with the 'smaller tooth' you'll have a tiny bit more kickback. But I'd say the different wouldn't be noticable. FYI I run an oval chainring on my enduro bike and love it for the uphills!

[@clintoncaser8656]

You should do a review on the focus bikes suspension design

[@zooromain]

My fav. bike to ride right now.

[@TrailPOV]

Nice! Good choice

[@Danswoodworkz]

I would be interested in seeing a comparison between the Rascal and the Norco Optic. I just went from the Optic to the Rascal and I want to know if what im feeling is in my head, or if it makes sense lol. I do feel that the Rascal is always the same, it feels very controlled in drops, turning, braking etc where as other bikes ive ridden can dive when you slam the brakes or dont want to turn and brake. I also wonder how much different a simple design is vs a complex one, do any of the suspension designs just suck compared to the others? This is interesting, thanks for making these vids

[@TrailPOV]

Glad to help in any way. There definately are good and bad designs. High pivots seems to be all the rage with big travel bikes and for good reason when it comes to kickback

[@Adwardok81]

Great video, very instructive! Could you review the Canyon Spectral 2019? Is it progressive like Canyon says ? I'm thinking about upgrading to a coil shock.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the compliment and suggestion. The Strive has been in my poll for a few weeks but so far hasn't been selected.

[@johnsterfer5906]

Hey fantastic video as always! What are your thoughts on ochain as it claims to remove the feeling of chain growth? Excited to see more content from you and maybe a maestro video soon? Keep up the good stuff.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much! No comment at this point about ochain as never used it....but it seems like it would eliminate it

[@theshortestcharles6886]

Can you do Trek's ABP design? It's basically a regular Horst-link design but the rearmost pivot is concentric around the axle, which is supposed to decouple the suspension from braking.

[@TrailPOV]

Hi. Thanks for the suggestion. It will definitely be covered at some point

[@MrTronzomonzo]

I would like to see one on the Trek Top Fuel 2020. I would be interested to see as its very different from previous years with a floating shock.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion. I ended up chatting with a Trek rep about this a couple months ago and it was interesting to hear that suspension tech has come far enough that they didn't need the full floater anymore.

[@raheslop]

Really interesting, could you do a review of a classic single pivot bike such as an Orange Five to give a “baseline” against which other suspension designs could be compared?

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@YanDoroshenko]

Awesome stuff, thanks.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks. Glad you like it.

[@dawnpoint]

Another thing that just occurred to me: CBF is different from a single pivot in that a single pivot’s instance center AND center of curvature can both be placed at the top of the chairing. CBF’s instant center stays out in front of the bottom bracket, making for a larger radius axle path for better square hits, while still keeping the chain forces perpendicular.

[@TrailPOV]

Partially correct. The IC is in front of the chainring that changes the braking characteristics, but the axle rotates around the center of curvature not the IC. Hence why it's called center of curvature. Just so happens that the center of curvature is located on the same line as the axle-IC line.

[@dawnpoint]

Trail POV Well now I’m confused again 😂 there’s a reason I’m a musician and not a physicist!

[@TrailPOV]

@@dawnpoint Haha. The axle-IC line just means that the axle is moving perpendicular to the IC (and by necessity the center of curvature) at that particular point in time...but not necessarily rotating around that point over time. If the IC didn't move then yes the IC would be the CC and the axle would rotate around the IC and CC. But because the IC moves it causes the axle to rotate around the CC only.

[@dawnpoint]

@@TrailPOV Aaaaah ok that makes more sense. I'm still a little confused though--My friend's Trek Slash has the main pivot pretty much in line with the chain but it pedals like a water mattress compared to my Canfield. What principle am I missing?

[@dailypowderturns2078]

@@dawnpoint If the computer was correct in telling us how suspension works, then the single pivots would feel like a CBF. But they don't. Pedal bob and brake jack are real! CBF is following the IC thru out travel. That is it's magic. No other suspension does this.

[@MarioXcore1]

canfield "balanced" formula, I guess the name is very suiting. Would you chose CBF or infinity switch?

[@TrailPOV]

Based on my type of riding I'd probably slant toward the CBF....but both would be awesome!

[@MarioXcore1]

@@TrailPOV thanks haha I'm in between the sb130 and the rascal atm 😬😬

[@TrailPOV]

@@MarioXcore1 All depends on which one you can actually get a hold of....seems like all bikes have disappeared from stock

[@seanchalmers7742]

Man I really hope you can do the pivot 5.5 review of their suspension.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion

[@trentvlak]

Awesome analysis. Shame you don't do these anymore. I have a Revel. Compared to JS Tuned and Pivot's DW, it's ok. I could use a flatter antisquat curve and more progression. I'll probably sell it. I can't really tell a difference between CBF and a well designed linkage driven single pivot like Orbea uses or a Horst like Transition uses. But these bikes do the job while being lighter and simpler. Maybe if I used higher poe hubs then the low kickback would be a good feature. All things considered, my opinion is that modern linkages of any type are all very good. Even Orange's pedestrian single pivot gets good reviews (though I haven't ridden one). Most of the complaints people have with their bikes relate to some failure of the shock design or tune. But few people want to spend the extra $500 to get a custom tune or better shock.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks. I continue to do raw number analysis over on Patreon if you're interested #shamelessplug

[@trentvlak]

@@TrailPOV Sweet, been meaning to. I see you got about two bikes a month. Very good.

[@ralphpollard4260]

Could u do this for the nukeproof reactor 27.5?🤟

[@enol8603]

Nice informative video. And I like the simplicity of the final summary. Btw, anyone told you before that you sound a little like Kermit the frog?

[@TrailPOV]

Haven't heard that one before. I did get compared to Warren Miller's voice which was a bit more encouraging :)

[@SkillzzzSkillzzz]

could you talk about the maestro/giant system?

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion

[@leestuurmans2837]

Fascinating!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks!

[@lukeh5453]

Does an oval chainring effects the performance (bobbing) ??? Cheers

[@TrailPOV]

In my experience it significantly improves the bobbing as there are less surges in power to the wheel

[@lukeh5453]

Thanks

[@ZedWu]

how about cube stereo 150 frame? i'm curious about it

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@jymtb]

Would the same analysis apply to their shorter travel Rascal?

[@TrailPOV]

The center of curvature design yes, the exact numbers probably not.

[@juancristobalcabello8030]

Could you do an analysis of a ns bikes snabb? It would be great!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@hussainbellal]

What do you think of adding the Push Eleven Six Coil to the Rail over air shock? Would the leverage ratio be too linear at that point?

[@TrailPOV]

While the leverage ratio itself wouldn't change (as it based on geometry alone), the spring rate and wheel rate would change. The air shock makes up for the somewhat linear leverage ratio, so a Push Eleven without a progressive coil is likely going to provide too linear of a wheel rate.

[@joedunne635]

@@TrailPOV Having added a Push Eleven to my Rascal, I can say categorically the bike is "better". I was not very satisfied with the feel of the Rascal with airshock. No matter how much adjustment I made, it felt harsh. I did not get a playful, progressive spring feel. I tried spacers, air pressure and compression damping, but it kept feeling like the frame was too stiff. As soon as I replaced the shock for the Push, the bike just got a more forgiving feel. Much better traction and still had a bit of progressivity to the feel. I think some of my complaints are more to the amount of travel. I suspect had I been riding a Rail, I would have been a bit more satisfied right off the bat. If only it came in 29in.

[@TrailPOV]

@@joedunne635 Great input. Thanks

[@trailblazeratv6306]

Have you looked at Maestro ?

[@TrailPOV]

I have not looked at Maestro....yet

[@Cg-fh5re]

Thanks for the videos! I would be interested in Kona process134 (new one) and norco optic 2020. Btw: I realise how similar different suspension designs may become if well engineered. Hence I get the impression that in trail features like switchable shock travel (Scott genius) or leverage ratio (canyon strive) give more impact then suspension system (single pivot Vs VPP Vs ...) Except maybe the high pivot designs

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks very much for the input. While there are similarities between some manufacturers, there are also a large number of differences between suspension systems overall. Certainly the shapeshifter and adjustable shock do make those differences even larger

[@Cg-fh5re]

@@TrailPOV where do I have to vote for next bike analysis? I would also be interested in the new propain tyee

[@TrailPOV]

@@Cg-fh5re I've been doing all the voting on Patreon. But the next few vids may already be selected depending on what a couple bike stores say

[@JWhat-qx8wr]

Can anybody answer a question. I recently purchased a Revel Rascal and the rear seems to break loose easy on power climbs, more so than my 5010 did. I'm running a 30t chainring, would a 32 tooth chainring help this?

[@TrailPOV]

You've just got too much power in your legs! Have you tried an oval chainring to even out the power strokes?

[@sonnduro]

Would prefer Switch infinity or cbf or dw link?

[@TrailPOV]

I think each of them have their merits. It also depends on the particular implementation for a particular bike. Of the bikes I've looked at I'd personally go with the Revel because it's 165mm travel rather than 150mm in the other two.

[@thelongestnameinthecomment9677]

Do some downhill bikes (particularly norco aurum, specialized demo 29 yt tues or intense m29) sorry i know that's a lot

[@TrailPOV]

They will be coming in the future.....soooo many bikes in the world :)

[@thelongestnameinthecomment9677]

@@TrailPOV if you do the aurum you should do it against the commencal supreme

[@jamdwan]

Could a comparison be done between the Giant Reign 27.5 vs the 29r. Popular bikes with a lot of claims by Giant that would be good to find out if they are true.

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion. The Reign has been on my poll for a bit but so far hasn't been selected.

[@candranito]

Please review patrol 691 Evo S 2021

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion

[@ShaunSeahSG]

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the end result quite similar to a DW like those on the Pivots? Just a different way of achieving it?

[@dawnpoint]

Very similar, you're right, although the CBF does slightly better at maintaining consistent feel and efficiency regardless of suspension position. The DW links are a little more dependent on a specific sag point for maximum performance. I.E. with CBF I can run much squishier sag and not notice a reduction in pedal performance.

[@TrailPOV]

Well said

[@ShaunSeahSG]

@@dawnpoint Ah yes that does seem to be the case. I also noticed the anti-squat and anti-rise values to be slightly lower than DW (I could be wrong), possibly to compensate for that wider range of chain growth? Would love to swing a leg over one just to see how it compares to a DW.

[@dawnpoint]

Shaun Seah Same, I haven’t yet tried a DW bike but my Canfield has left nothing to be desired. I have literally never used nor wished for the climb switch.

[@dit4963]

Brake jack and anti-rise are 2 separate things. From Christophe Benoit, Project Lead Engineer at Devinci: "While they both refer to braking forces, they are not expressed in the same way. Brake jack is a resulting force in the suspension that comes from the caliper. In practice it is a force that gets transmitted to the shock but it is not the main force at play. Anti-rise is expressed as a ratio of forces. The anti-rise method allows us to take into account the force of rider mass acceleration and the angle at which the load is transferred at the wheel. It is part of kinematic simulation and is considered with many other factors when positioning pivots (shock type, geometry, leverage ratios, axle path, pedaling characteristics)." To address brake jack floating calipers are sometimes used or mounting the caliper on the seatstay (like the Split Pivot). But this has nothing to do with the anti-rise.

[@jonathanzumwalt4392]

A good video would be between the Alchemy bikes (Sine suspension) vs the Yeti bikes (Inifity link) like Arktos ST/Arktos vs SB130/SB150. The guy who designed the Sine suspension came over from Yeti.

[@TrailPOV]

Never even heard of Alchemy bikes. Thanks for the heads up.

[@georgertheexplorer4114]

Where do you find the information to make these videos?

[@TrailPOV]

I generate the information based on CAD data and many calculations

[@EdwargGz]

I’m btw the Rail and the SWITCHBACK FS 160 from Stanton, any opinions about the other bike mate? Thank you so much for your videos!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks! Never heard of the switchback unfortunately. Looks like a similar motion linkage to a megatower but with the shock actuated by the upper link rather than lower like a dw-link. Hmmmmm.

[@EdwargGz]

Trail POV would be interesting a video about that bike, really unique design!

[@EdwargGz]

Btw already subscribed! So refreshing to find a canal like yours, congratulations mate.

[@TrailPOV]

@@EdwargGz Thanks very much!

[@EdwargGz]

Trail POV I hope I can go to your patreon soon and select the option about reviewing a bike for me, I’m really intrigued about the differences btw this Rail and the Staton, I wanna make sure I’m getting the right bike! Also checking the Yeti SB140, I just wanna have fun on the trail!

[@TheGing12]

Is this not similar to giant maestro suspension?

[@TrailPOV]

The location of the center of curvature is the key. CBF has it at the top of the chainring, giant has it slightly more rearward

[@thetrailnomad]

Deviate Highlander please.

[@marekvanatka2426]

Please do a Giant maestro bike. For example the Reign 27.5 :) Lots of people are riding those...

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion. It has been in my polls for a bit but so far hasn't been selected.

[@marekvanatka2426]

@@TrailPOV thanks :) I really like the concept of your analysis, good work 👍 and it would be very helpful to see a comparison with more mainstream brands like the Giant (as I am asking) or Merida (but that is single pivot so easier to guess...) send it 🤘

[@TrailPOV]

@@marekvanatka2426 Thanks very much! A look at Maestro will be coming sometime in the future.

[@bstr77]

A other request for reign maestro. Thx for great work!

[@diegoarranz2518]

Do Trek Slash 2020!

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion

[@justinwbohner]

Brake Jack is suspension compression? I thought it was extension.

[@TrailPOV]

I guess technically it's brake squat rather than jack, but most people haven't heard of brake squat, only brake jack, and only know what brake jack feels like. Brake squat is the suspension compressing and getting firm, while brake jack is the suspension not wanting to compress and also getting firm. I was trying to refer to brake stiffening overall that's common place with single pivots. Sorry for the confusion.

[@The8rand]

@@TrailPOV I think it's good if we can stop spreading the confusion. Especially since some brake squat can be quite a good thing. Back in the days when Fabien rode for Kona he asked to have the floating rear brake posissioned so that it would squat MORE and not LESS :) BTW here is a good text on the subject: www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/a20022920/mountain-bike-feature-jacks-not-here-man/

[@testtesttesttesttest884]

Go Canfield Bikes!

[@furion..]

Where do you live? I'd like to buy you lunch! Excellent videos and video review iQdea!!

[@TrailPOV]

Haha thanks, glad you liked it. I'm in the Vancouver area.

[@furion..]

@@TrailPOV Well that's a bit far for a couple of Thai orders but perhaps this coming summer... 🍻

[@TrailPOV]

@@furion.. Where you at?

[@furion..]

@@TrailPOV NorCal near Downieville. Hey, here's a new one for your work board: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3fVn3iLdtZsjdE

[@TrailPOV]

@@furion.. Nice. Never even heard of the bike brand. Thanks.

[@tallman7830]

Pole Machine/Stamina

[@TrailPOV]

Thanks for the suggestion

[@LYFJV]

There are so many different bike brands its near impossible to keep it all straight and make a decision based on whats available. I wonder why mass produced chinese bikea are so popular while handmade bikes from North America remain so relatively unknown? And the pricea are similar for better bikes!

[@TrailPOV]

I'd say prices do play a factor with some brands, and secondly availability. If I wanted to buy a Revel I'd have no store to go to in Vancouver to test one, and we are a go-to place for MTB.

[@onecutmedia]

I have never even heard of Revel, where are they from??

[@edlorenz1552]

Colorado

[@TrailPOV]

Interestingly I've never seen one in person, but a lot of people talk about them

[@onecutmedia]

@@TrailPOV and the problem with these small companies is service and warranty, so if anyone buys one, good luck with that

[@revelbikes]

We are a small company (9 guys) based in Carbondale, CO. We just turned 1 year old.

[@revelbikes]

@@onecutmedia We do offer a lifetime warranty, and we pride ourselves on customer service. Stop on by, call or text any time! Cheers!

[@Kaisersozze]

A mountain bike that won't come cheap? Well I never...!

[@TrailPOV]

Haha

[@lukefarmer5391]

My brain hurts now.

[@TrailPOV]

Haha!

[@pennyh6720]

No, the CBF is based on a nonsense theory. To factor out the effect of weight transfer on the suspension of a moving vehicle is utterly absurd.

[@dailypowderturns2078]

Penny H- Please explain.