Ibn Arabi - Lord and Servant

[@ioio565]

talk about the book Spiritual Body and Celestial Earth , thanks

[@PerennialWisdom]

Henry Corbin's?

[@ioio565]

@@PerennialWisdom Yes

[@PerennialWisdom]

I have known that book since long time ago but never tried to read it. I will try to. Hope I can digest the book. Have you read it?

[@SleepyBloomingFlower-nb1ex]

Ur videos are awesome brother I can understand arabi But the statement the god requries servants is extreme Only to be called as creator...for such qualities god requires servants not for all God requires no one but god

[@usmansheikh7717]

Hi Brother, I get what you're saying but it is another way of saying he created us to experience this reality through us.

[@TheMagicofJava]

@@usmansheikh7717 Precisely, if we co-create the universe with Allah, then there is the danger of shirk, in seeing ourselves as equal to Allah (as the story of Sunan Sitijenar illustrates). It is so difficult to find the correct words unless we embrace a non-dualist perspective. I am sure that you have identified a contradiction here, but I am also sure that Ibn Arabi struggled with the correct words.

[@SleepyBloomingFlower-nb1ex]

@@usmansheikh7717 s ,i can completly understand ,what ibn arabi trying to say and struggled the deliever the true essence in precise manner Even we r not created..he may dont hav the name of creator But he still may posses the quality of all powerful, But may posses other qualities like all merciful and all creator (implicitly) ,in order to be explicitly known we r created

[@PerennialWisdom]

Thanks for all the responses. For @SleepyBlooming, that's true. Hence, according to me, we have to first and foremost realize the distinction between God per se and God perceived by the human being or God manifested in the whole cosmos. I think we have discussed this whole subject serially in my playlist Ibn Arabi. You can scrutinize all of them especially those entitled "Negative Theology", "The Self-Manifestation of God Part 1 & 2", "The Transcendent Unity of Religions Part 3", etc.