Clay , on your next hickory bow before sealing it and after sanding is completed burnish the entire bow wit a glass jar. If you spend enough time it will look like it has clear poly on it, then put your sealer on it . A good burnish job will close up the pours in the wood and help in sealing the bow.
@mrtahoe22 күн бұрын
Does that work
@DaronStronghammer17 күн бұрын
Wood worker here. The answer is "yes?" I wouldn't recommend it, but it "works". Any kind of finish needs to be able to bite into the wood well enough to stay on it, which is why 120-180 grit sand paper is used for finish sanding. Any more than that and the pores of the wood fills with saw dust and becomes too smooth for a finish to stick properly. Usually a sealer is put on prior to cabinet quality wood parts (like doors and face frames) before the clear coat of your choice. You typically go with a sealer to "seal" the wood and the clear coat bonds to the sealer chemically. If you burnish the wood, you are also sealing the wood. The problem is, the finish is more likely to chip and crack because burnished wood doesn't allow for much penetration into the wood. That said, wood species matters. Finishes used matters. This is general information, doesn't apply to every single situation. Still applicable if it is accurate in 90% of situations though.
@hillbilly4christ638 Жыл бұрын
I saw a video recently where a fellow took a black locust limb and put it between a couple tree limbs and I could not believe how much it bent before breaking. It was fire hardened. I am excited to try this with black locust.
@Martin_Av1la Жыл бұрын
Hey clay I’ve been building maple board bows for a lil while now thanks to you! Just started recently heat treating the boards, have had a couple blow up, but from what I’ve experienced it’s mostly the ones I don’t add a couple of coats of butcher block conditioner as soon as im done heat treating then I let it sit till the next day then continue tillering. Depending on the design I’ve gained about ten pounds on finished bows and would have to re tiller a bit to bring the weight back down. Would love to what you could come up with on some boards! Thanks dude!
@clayhayeshunter Жыл бұрын
I've got a white oak board just waiting in the shop. I'll dust it off soon.
@hansfranson65702 жыл бұрын
You are contagious, thank you! Interest gives skill and knowledge!
@seanbyham78382 жыл бұрын
Very cool information. Fire hardened hickory is very good but still not quite Osage. Osage is bulletproof. The moisture issues probably will never disappear with the fire hardening but will certainly be mitigated. Using a fire hardened hickory myself and I am seeing similar results.
@Guy-ky9mc Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. It's exciting. We never stop learning..and when we do, we die.
@j.shorter47162 жыл бұрын
I had good success the first time I did this. I left the bow about 1/2-5/8 inch thick- barely flexing. Cooked until the belly was starting to char. You could scrape the char off with your fingernail. By the time I got it tillered out it has a nice very dark brown color. Maybe cooked a little too much since the color shows through the back but it’s a hard shooter. Also left extra length, width, and thickness all the way around to accommodate for cracking during cooking- which I had but got out pretty easily. I cooked for about 3 hours.
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I definitely need to get more aggressive with the heat.
@UncleDanBand642 жыл бұрын
Looks like a good result. I am thinking about giving that a try myself. I look forward to your next build.
@lobopropredatorcontrol2 жыл бұрын
I sure like watching you and Ryan Gill build bows! Good luck on your upcoming hunts
@BigDaddyBangBang2 жыл бұрын
Glad you're doing some HONEST experimenting with the Fire Hardened bows. I read some exchanges between Ryan Gill of Hump Primitive and the guys who came up with this concept. Seems Mr. Humper was threatened by these weapons because he didn't come up with the idea. One of the guys said Ryan was lying about one of the fire hardened bows he tested. Betcha he wanted to protect his ego instead of giving honest feedback about them.
@Mediocrexcellence11 ай бұрын
Great video. I have broken my first bow in the tillering process!!! It would have made a nice kids bow, because, well, I did some things wrong and took too much wood off. Lots of good learning, but I am glad I didn't need the bow. Great resources you are putting out here. I have to hang a head on a maul and have a couple spoons to finish, but hopefully I can go find another sucker and get going again!
@nookymonster16 ай бұрын
I have been using a 6 ft long stove pipe spread open to hold my charcoals. It is quick, mobile, and seems to work perfectly.
@christianthames23022 жыл бұрын
Very cool you won all that money but you're still here making videos for us. You rock.
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Haha, I wouldn’t leave y’all hangin!
@Ouachita.Mule.School Жыл бұрын
Something I’ve been wanting to experiment with! Very helpful
@chucklearnslithics37512 жыл бұрын
I want to see a fire hardened hickory board bow build and test too!
@primitivemoderno68032 жыл бұрын
Muito bom cara vc é uns dos melhores na minha opinião mesmo não entendo sua língua vc passa muito bem o q está fazendo pela gesticulação estou aprendendo muito com seus vídeos obrigado por compartilhar o conhecimento saudações daqui do Brasil
@johnharrison61532 жыл бұрын
man i would love to come to idaho and hang with you, your knowledge of archery is spot on.
@stevedaughton72472 жыл бұрын
if Osage grew in every boyers home range, there would be no debate at all over which wood is best... Heat treated white woods can come close, they make a great bow for sure, but Osage beats them all. Heat treated Osage makes a mean bow... Great video Clay, thanks.
@Helmbowman2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Maybe try to seal with epoxy resin, you can thin down epoxy with acetone and let it penetrate deep into wood, and then add a second coat with standard epoxy, i think that would be most waterproof finish for selfbow.
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Interesting 🤔
@rdt11042 жыл бұрын
We used resin and acetone, just like you described, on the wood that we used for props in the fish tanks at Ushaka Marine World, Durban Very thinned first coat, medium thick second coat, normal viscosity third coat Can even colour the resin They wanted a 5 year guarantee in 2004, as far as I know, most of them are still there
@TorquilBletchleySmythe2 жыл бұрын
Native Americans used animal fat and wood smoke in sweat lodges or by hanging staves in the tops of their homes to waterproof and preserve the wood. It was said that it also improved humidity resistance. I do not know, however, if smoking the wood has any positive effects on the bow's strength or flexibility. Perhaps someone has tried this?
@Mwwright79 Жыл бұрын
@@TorquilBletchleySmythe smoking does impart some water resistance. Some woods have more pitchy resins in them than others so the result varies. There is still no way to waterproof where there is no moisture variation. Most of the archeological examples we have of the eastern woodlands tribes bows have string follow. This combined with the straight forward design of their bows suggests that they were more concerned with durability and functionality over arrow cast and set.
@CampfireKodiak Жыл бұрын
Good stuff! As a boat builder I know that epoxy coating wood is the very best moisturizer barrier. Something to consider. Does the charing have any special magic or is simply moisture content? Looking at the Wood Handbook I see that Pecan Hickory has a Modulus of Elasticity of 1.37 green and 1.73 at 12 percent moisture. I wonder what moisture content you are at after firing?
@Leverguns502 жыл бұрын
The few hickory bows I’ve made here in Alabama A grease them up with hog lard and then shape them over the fire, and they seem to hold the set really good I’ve never put anything finish on them I just grease them when they get dried out
@michaelduncan21512 жыл бұрын
Try and find you some Bear intestine for a string it's the third group of muscle "smooth"....1st. group Musculoskeletal, 2nd group "Cardiac" heart 3rd group "Smooth"....!!!! Wash it good, Grease it down with Bear or Pig, Mink Oil would work nice....They last a long time....An old Cherokee Tradition....!!!!
@j.shorter47162 жыл бұрын
You ever have any problems with checking? I’ve thought about using oil or grease but haven’t yet.
@Leverguns502 жыл бұрын
@@j.shorter4716 No I haven’t had any problems, that’s how the Native Americans around me did it, and it seems to work good
@j.shorter47162 жыл бұрын
@@Leverguns50 Good to hear. I’m going to try that next time probably with olive oil or something. I usually get deep checks on the ends and the belly so maybe that’ll help.
@Leverguns502 жыл бұрын
@@j.shorter4716 are you shaping it when it’s dried or when it’s still green, I like to cut down the tree Cut out the bow even get it down to mostly tailored grease it up really good heat shape it, re-grease it and let it dry for a For a couple of weeks finish tillering it, and if I’m sinew backing it i’ll wash it down real good with Lye soap made from Ash then sinew back it and let it dry for a couple of months, then I’ll check it out maybe finish tilling it and let it dry some more after I grease the belly, that’s pretty much how I was taught to do it
@RAB-om9jy2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for your video Clay ,always look forward to them 👍
@robshipley75432 жыл бұрын
Another awesome video your craft is amazing you build some fine looking bows
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rob
@kytziaf2 жыл бұрын
I got me a mess of shagbark hickory staves i aim on fire hardening. Although I am more found of bend in handle bows native style. Great video thanks
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
No problem 😉
@billybob89502 жыл бұрын
Using hard wood lump will give a more controllable and longer lasting fire .
@jonathanbennison9220 Жыл бұрын
Hello Clay. Tha ms again, as always, for the awesome content. Here is my question, from. Watching everything I can find on bowmaking, and a ton of research. I've watched your Sinew backing, and your fire hardening belly. My research seems to suggest that as effective as Sinew backing a Bow Back, is at resisting tension, Its originally intended for Belly backing, with Sinew, to resist compression directly. Similar it seems to the fire hardening, to resist compression and SET. It seems to me, that with Sinew on back and belly, the wood core would function almost like the modern fiberglass Bows with glass backs and belly. Thoughts? I haven't seen anyone here, belly backing with Sinew, and I am very curious.
@clayhayeshunter Жыл бұрын
Sinew on the belly would do nothing. Horn was often used on the belly though.
@tytownsends77092 жыл бұрын
Awesome video I like trying new things as well if you have access try Elm white ash you also can fire harden those as well they make great bows
@jonathanbennison9220 Жыл бұрын
Supposedly, Sinew Belly Backing was originally sought after for Belly Compression resistance, and Bow Back Sinew was a bonus, to reinforce against the increased tension...
@twintwo14292 жыл бұрын
The type of smoke you use in brain tan makes a difference. Same with fire HARDENING. Don't use commercial charcoal. Use natural wood only, and experiment with different wood. Also experiment with saturating the bow with different oils or natural resin, Pryor to fire HARDENING. I crushed 8 osage fruit and heart wood pulp, then soaked my ash blank in it for 3 days at room temperature. The ash blank was all the way down to floor tiller. Then ,after drying, I placed in my form, with back set. Then I heat treated 75%. Then I tillered to 22". Then I finalized heat treatment. After that I tillered to my draw. It definitely turned out to better than a standard ash bow. Very close to a fire HARDENED HICKORY. I know I need to do more , but I'll keep trying. There is something to this method, I just need to keep testing.
@terrellmassey9808 Жыл бұрын
I want to see you do a fire hardened sweet gum bow! Fantastic work on your videos!
@petevermouth6918 Жыл бұрын
Always gave it a day or so to get some more moisture back into the stave after the heat, otherwise it can be brittle, and snap on you. Check both sides of the stave. I find that if they have too much moisture in the wood it will stay bent... sometimes the first time you shoot it. The moisture meter is your friend. over time (I have one 4 years old.} you will have string follow, thinking of another heating on that 4 year old bow as it has string follow, and lost 10 lbs draw {been looking all over for that 10 lbs.}. I like the gas grill rather than the charcoal. .Do one limb at a time. Grumpy
@terrymattson35872 жыл бұрын
As a lifelong hard wood floor installer and finisher, refinisher hickory is the least stable floor. It’s a great wood for handles and such but humidity and winter furnaces it’s not ideal. I refuse to install one in a Lake house. Great video
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@garethbaus5471 Жыл бұрын
The instability can be an issue with handles as well, I have had a lot of hammer handles loosen up when the humidity drops.
@tradbowyer19752 жыл бұрын
another great looking bow thanks for the video
@KetNoiDamMe_932 жыл бұрын
❤️🍺
@adrianbusinesstime27972 жыл бұрын
Man what a great video. watching you learn and try new things is such great content. I have a stack of Russian Olive that im looking forward to trying out this process on.
@caseysmith5442 жыл бұрын
I have heard this makes for a great bow if you can work with this material. Another I have seen is Catalpa tree being an E--bay old flat limb long bow since the wood is not great for construction or building stuff as it bends too much to work so for a bow this is great, but I would not fire that bow since it was made in the 1920's as it had the weight, year made, wood used, and bowyer's name. Was a relative's old bow from the 1920's and 1930's before WWII like a grandparent of a person who was selling online. They even said the bow was too old to fire and could not even get a replacement Dracon B-55 string on the bow.
@lunkydog2 жыл бұрын
I'd be willing to just burn the Russian Olive as pure revenge. My mom had one and mowing under that sadistic tree used to leave me looking like I'd been juggling cats in a phonebooth.
@aaronschwingel33302 жыл бұрын
@@caseysmith544 I recently looked into Catalpa's viability as a bow wood, with high hopes, because I have a big one in my back yard. the specific gravity is pretty low so it's not ideal, but it's certainly possible. I found a guy who made a decent one, I believe it was a thread on PrimitiveArcher. one cool thing about Catalpa is that the grain is absolutely beautiful when finished. Even if not for a bow, I might season some Catalpa logs just to make a chest out of.. it would be a stunner!
@caseysmith5442 жыл бұрын
@@lunkydog I have lost shoes and a pair of pants ripping down the jeans outer seam due to the Russian Olive tree.
@caseysmith5442 жыл бұрын
@@aaronschwingel3330 Yes but it is better than the native Honey Locust as that would be a great wood for a bow but the tree is too heavy unless one wanted to make an old flat limb longbow type of target bow where a heavy bow would work well to keep the left or right movement down. This tree is growing on the edge of my property and is really only used for cabinet type work by small workers due to being almost too dense to work with a saw and often they need a diamond blade. I do want to use Eastern Red Cedar/Juniper for a bow but knowing the bow would need backing on the outer edge not the inner belly, as this is where a bow would do its best.
@trekk-n-guidedieoutdoorpro3644 Жыл бұрын
I love it to look and learn every time on your channel...thanks a lot! I am bow building infected..for sure...:-)
@clayhayeshunter Жыл бұрын
Have fun!
@freetaylor72Ай бұрын
Hey Clay how about a video on making that form?
@williamgorman60646 ай бұрын
Clay, any plans to experiment fire hardening an Osage bow, then adding a sinew backing?
@clayhayeshunter6 ай бұрын
Not at this point who knows.
@joeladams47792 жыл бұрын
In this case the way too learn is to burn. Great video. I really like how you explain what you are doing.
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
I like that!
@bentpolski2 жыл бұрын
Another Great Video Clay!
@lunkydog2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious now if you could see a gain with fire hardened Osage?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
That’s on the todo list.
@plywoodcarjohnson5412 Жыл бұрын
Next time butane torch! Scorch it just after two days of drying, only the bark has been removed. Nothing else. It'll probably crack. But if it doesnt, put nitrocellulose lacquer on. And ask yourself, could there still be humidity inside?
@ndubstar Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you would try some black locust bows. And fire harden.
@hawkinatorgamer97252 жыл бұрын
Beautiful bow, and great video.
@ErickSchmidt-ej6rb3 ай бұрын
Hi Clay. If you fire hardening a hickory or maple bow do you need to back it with rawhide? Thanks for the nice videos
@clayhayeshunter3 ай бұрын
Maple, maybe. Not necessary for hickory.
@ErickSchmidt-ej6rb3 ай бұрын
@clayhayeshunter do you have a osage or hickory bow for sale?
@joshkeller842 жыл бұрын
My parents farm is loaded with osage orange trees. They had almost 80 acres worth cut down. Now I'm going to go stave tree hunting and try and build a few bows.
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Have fun
@wjl20682 жыл бұрын
Clay is the G.O.A.T
@guillermocazarez28472 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Clay. Recently finished a hickory bow, but heated with a heat gun. Still took some back set, but I also didn’t use a form. I have some Hop Hornbeam that I’ll make a firm for and try the coal method next 😎👍
@guillermocazarez28472 жыл бұрын
Seriously 😳??
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
No, that’s a scammer using my avatar.
@guillermocazarez28472 жыл бұрын
Yeah figured that’s what it was.
@journeyman71892 жыл бұрын
Facinating wy to make a bow. That fire hardening method is pretty cool. Do you have a video on how you made the form? Nate
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Not specifically on the form but I think I may mention it in the first fire hardening video.
@bienyamientoefy1923Ай бұрын
greetings sir.thank you very much.i tried it. my hickory bow shoots much faster🙂❤
@tribesc87622 жыл бұрын
Awesome Clay well done man!!!
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a bunch!
@carcucov Жыл бұрын
Nice video!! Thanks!!
@clayhayeshunter Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@richardkahoon47402 жыл бұрын
Would backing the bow help retain some of the back set? I know the purpose is to drive moisture out the wood and backing might be counter intuitive. I haven't watched enough to see if kieth and Thad have attempted it with their bows. Im curious on your thoughts and would be interested in seeing if it's doable.
@PatrickSmeaton2 жыл бұрын
Generally speaking, how long do you expect one of your self bows to last?
@2Dutchy2 жыл бұрын
I think this will be my next project
@radagast668210 ай бұрын
I didn't see where you cut the shelf in that bow. Do you have a video showing that? I have a hickory log 10" diameter that I split in half, but it has about a 15° twist. How can I take the twist out?
@dquaid6662 жыл бұрын
Excellent work
@KetNoiDamMe_932 жыл бұрын
Good❤️
@brymcdowell30522 жыл бұрын
Really like the experimenting here. Was this a dry stave or relatively fresh?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
This one was dry
@robertplacereano15642 жыл бұрын
very nice video, do you think white ash would work as well? Many greetings from snowy austrian mountains
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
I believe it would
@andrewlazier51322 жыл бұрын
It is interesting that you have the same results with hickory as I do with fire hardening hackberry or elm. The results of fire hardening both work wonders for me. Both for straightening and for controlling set. One other trick I learned for controlling set that I use in combination with the hardening process is trapping the back. It helps to curb set on tension heavy woods and I wondered if you have ever tried it before. If memory serves me correctly I believe hickory is also tension heavy so it should work. Curious to know your thoughts.
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
I have but not in combination with fire hardening. That’s a great idea though
@andrewlazier51322 жыл бұрын
@@clayhayeshunter It works on those two woods I mentioned before but I have never done a hickory bow from a stave. By all rights hickory should be superior. From what I can tell from data on the different species of hickory having never made anything out of any myself, shagbark should be king among hickories. Much like rock elm is superior among elms. You have loads of experience working many more woods than me. What do you think? Can you tell a difference between them? I mean this strictly on the subject of comparing hickory to osage.
@erickharrington99012 жыл бұрын
I think the Sudbury bow had a trapped back but I’m not sure, who knows maybe that bow was fire hardened. So far I’ve fire hardened shagbark hickory, American elm, white ash, American hornbeam(Carpinus Carolinians). All had major improvements. I’m gonna try trapping the back as you suggested.
@jkre2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't need to be hickory. Also other white woods are very good for fire hardening. Right now I have made 3 really fast fire hardened bows. One with Hickory, one with Service berry and one Maple, all turned out great, even tough my fire hardening was way less and more uneven than the bow in this video. They are also much more narrow, more narrow than would be ideal, cus they follow historical designs, and the historical designs are usually narrower than what modern bowyers recommend. because of that, only the Maple bow keeps reflex about an inch, the rest return straight. Unfortunately i didn't get a chance to measure the speed of the hickory bow, but my guess is over 170 fps 10 gpp. The Maple bow has too wide tips to be as fast (cus i wanted to know how well does those wide tip native designs work in comparison), but it is still fast for white wood bow, with 410 grain arrow it shoots 174 fps, it has 46 pounds at 28", so with 460 grain / 10 gpp arrow, it would probably be around 168 to 170 fps. But here comes the best one, the service berry 71" longbow, 51 lbs / 29", shoots 530 grain arrow a whopping 183 fps! With 28" draw probably around 177-178 fps. So in my opinion, the service berry is even better than hickory, but the design was also bit different, so I might be wrong, but so far my greatest success is with service berry. I strongly recommend trying it out. Maple isn't bad either, but hickory probably better than maple, but if maple is all you got, then you will be able to make a great bow with that also. haven't had a chance to try ash or elm yet, but they also should make great bows when fire hardened.
@gushlergushler Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, what do you use to seal the bows?
@clayhayeshunter Жыл бұрын
Spar
@passionateoutdoors72172 жыл бұрын
Been waiting on this
@fhorst412 жыл бұрын
Metal workers instill different properties to heat treated metal through controlled sintering, holding the object at preset temperatures for certain amounts of time, often holding it at several different temps before allowing it to fully cool. I wonder if perhaps a similar process would be beneficial to hardening your bow?
@Livingwildjared2 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid! Sweet bow
@ke6fxk2 жыл бұрын
Morning Sir I have never shot a Bow. What now might you suggest? I definitely will not Make a bow. Haha Thank you
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Just pick up a cheap bow and start shooting. Something light weight to start. If you need help selecting equipment, the folks at 3RiversArchery.com can help.
@petevermouth6918 Жыл бұрын
Didn't think you had any hickory out there. Usually tiller them over several days. Tiller a bit, let it rest, tiller, let it rest,... A lot of streaching between tillerings. Grumpy
@mattbruns5562 жыл бұрын
I've got a couple hickory bows I'm going to back with sinew...Have you tried fire hardening and backing? Is it in the works? I wonder if that would help resist string follow even further?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t tried it yet
@briargoatkilla2 жыл бұрын
Man these dang fish are startin to bite, you need to come on back down south.
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Man I now! Too many things to do and places to be.
@Rob_Tradbowhunter2 жыл бұрын
Hey clay I was wondering has the fire hardened hickory worked any better since you did this video or is still losing backset after being strung all day?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
It gains it back quickly. I’m still shooting it.
@Rob_Tradbowhunter2 жыл бұрын
@@clayhayeshunter thank you for your fast response. I appreciate it.
@RedmanOutdoors366 Жыл бұрын
Way cool Man 😎👍💯🇺🇲
@denisestarr23146 ай бұрын
Show us how you did that quiver
@Jakeandhaylee2 жыл бұрын
Hey Clay, I don't make bows and I'm no genius, but would it make more sense to fire-hardened the opposite side so the molecules shrinking on that side kept it from losing its shape once unstrung?
@jjpso2 жыл бұрын
that would give a broken bow!
@whodoyouthinkiam210 Жыл бұрын
The back needs to stay the "stretchiest" part of the bow, the belly which is the side hes hardening, can get crushed at the cellular level, hardening prevent that from happening
@Silentbet1of8 ай бұрын
Hey man I sent you a comment a few weeks ago , I started my own boy from dogwood and you give me an email to contact but KZbin felt like not keeping my comments so today when I finally finished the bow and my arrows when I was ready to show you I couldn’t . So how do I show you my bow man
@clayhayeshunter8 ай бұрын
You could send a pic via instagram.
@KetNoiDamMe_932 жыл бұрын
Wow channel 👍❤️
@andyvue24182 жыл бұрын
I love to build homemade bows but it's just that I don't got the wood or long enough pieces of wood to make a bow and some that are long enough they are to weak.
@albertonajera71602 жыл бұрын
Any tip for my pine self made bow? I find it really weak in terms of weight. I already did 3 and breake 2 hehe. Note: In Mexico the only wood you can get cheap is pine, any thing else is around $40-$100 one board.
@prairiefirewildernessskills2 жыл бұрын
Pine is a bit too soft for a strong bow, you can try to sinew back it to increase the draw weight.
@FubarKen2 жыл бұрын
How much backset on your form? Could I use pecan in place of hickory since they are related?
@thephoenicianarcher52675 ай бұрын
Brother try Teak Oil first 3 coats then trueOil as you like
@cameronpyles77482 жыл бұрын
@clayhayes hey brother use tung oil it roots way deeper in the wood and gives better waterproofing bows🤙🏻🏹
@cameronpyles77482 жыл бұрын
I’d use at least 7 coats
@TheHuntingSpot2 жыл бұрын
do you make your own note strings?
@BoredLyron2 жыл бұрын
Is there a practical difference between fire hardening and heat treating a belly? Fire hardening seems fairly convenient way, if you have the space to do it, but I'm not quite seeing the functional difference for the end product.
@aaronschwingel33302 жыл бұрын
there's a lively debate on this for the past few years. on one hand, heat is heat, regardless of source. I think the biggest difference is that it's much easier to heat the entire bow at once as a whole with fire-hardening, and this may have some benefit. although if you know what you're doing, you can bring a whole limb up to temp evenly (and keep it there) with a heatgun, it just requires some finesse. I haven't tried fire-hardening yet, it's on my list, but I have gotten great results with a heatgun. I'm using a fancy $500 heatgun though, with a nozzle better suited for heating bow limbs IMO than the common open round "hairdryer" tips you see most people use. I work in the commercial roofing industry, so I have easy access to all manner of Leister heatguns.
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, yes. There is a huge difference. Fire hardening penetrates much deeper than a heat treat.
@a.wilson19792 жыл бұрын
What about sealing the wood against moiture with wax, oil or fat ?
@Jordan-ym5gf2 жыл бұрын
How do you resist mooing back at the cows lol
@randyperkins50632 жыл бұрын
Lots and lots of Hickory here in Missouri clay just saying I'll fry the fish and Supply the beer
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
😜
@randyperkins50632 жыл бұрын
@@clayhayeshunter You know if you get bored or something lol
@charlesciccarelli34352 жыл бұрын
Can you put it back on the form after the bow is finished in order to add some backset back to the bow?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
With hickory, yes.
@charlesciccarelli34352 жыл бұрын
@@clayhayeshunter Awesome; thank you! I recently (last week) finished my first hickory bow. It shoots like a champ! I did not use a form to add a backset and sealed it with linseed oil. It may be too late to add a backset, but I will probably see what the bow takes. Thanks for the quick reply and for all of your awesome videos. I'll have to get my hands on an osage orange stave next. It is extremely satisfying to shoot something that is self-made!
@stevebostic98122 жыл бұрын
Do I have it right that this stave for this bow, was a raw stave?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
It was until I fire hardened it at the floor tillering stage.
@stevebostic98122 жыл бұрын
@@clayhayeshunter Right!
@floridabowhunter67852 жыл бұрын
what attachments and quiver do you use or are they hand made as well
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Creekwalkertrading.com
@fettmaneiii4439 Жыл бұрын
Fire hardening the back of the bow will increase its resilience to string follow.
@JayCWhiteCloud2 жыл бұрын
It's "dealers choice" for sure the way a Bowyer makes and finishes their bows, but I was surprised today to learn you use a modern "plastic" finish on your bows... !!??...Whereas traditional bows would never have had such a finish placed on them... The challenges that come with plastics over time...is they do trap moisture and inhibit healthy moisture movement, nor do they allow for the development of a solid patina as found in vintage wood artifacts...because of the way plastic interacts with the wood...Only a natural finish can achieve this... Years ago "Fine Woodworking" did a short article (excerpt from research) about different finishes and what they actually did for moisture or atmospheric absorption...Traditional oils "fatten" a wood and do not trap moisture...yet mitigate it in a way that does not trap the moisture...Plastics (e.g. urethanes, epoxies, etc) all taunted as "waterproof" proved not to be waterproof at all, and all actually trapped water inside the wood and under the finish...which is the primary reason modern paint peals...though the manufacturers typically hype their advertising to claim otherwise... The top winner for a "waterproof" finish (though not durable) is a coat of wax...Combine this with natural rosins and oils and waxes combined...and you get a super durable and traditional finish that really retards changes in the wood from arid to humid regions and stabilizes the wood over time... which develops a deep rich patina...is easy to "freshen up" and/or repair if necessary... I have mixed my own over the decades, however for those that don't have the time, or when I'm doing large projects we typically purchase in bulk (50 gal barrel) of..."Heritage Natural Finishes)...which uses the same blend as I have for decades...Pine Rosin, Beeswax, Tung, Flax, and Citrus oils...should you ever get curious about a great "pre-mixed" natural finish that is the one I typically recommend to folks... I haven't found a video yet by you on your reasoning and modalities for harvesting wood, what seasons you like (not that it really matters the season...which is more "legend" than fact.) A video on that from your perspective would be great, and the possible effect of "leaf seasoning" the wood prior to roughing out a blank for "green work" or wet storage... Thanks for another great video...I have really been enjoying the way your present your methods and insights, as well as, sharing your sources...
@smokeymacpot762 ай бұрын
i wonder if a epoxy coat with no lamination would help seal it and or possibly lend to a slight stiffening or does epoxy not work like that without a backing or laminant like fiberglas ect ...
@joezacharias82592 жыл бұрын
Where did you get that quiver from? Or is it home made?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Creekwalkertrading.com
@joezacharias82592 жыл бұрын
@@clayhayeshunter thanks! Appreciate it.
@jeffreyarnold26262 жыл бұрын
only reason I've not cut a hickory bow is on the sound region of WA it rains, and it rains etc. way too much moisture here.
@robertd69252 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't epoxy do a better job of sealing?
@rorynelson7548 Жыл бұрын
I'm somewhat afraid of the tillering process
@josegodoy91602 жыл бұрын
Tienes que probar impermeabilizar con cera de abejas
@joelk-bchunter71422 жыл бұрын
Hi clay, can a guy fire harden a red oak board from the hardware store?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
Probably so. It'll most likely need to be backed with something though.
@Jeremy-km4dj2 жыл бұрын
what arrow holder are you using on your bow?
@clayhayeshunter2 жыл бұрын
creekkwalkertrading.com
@shortypresh76 Жыл бұрын
Ever use a blue and gold macaw feather for your arrow
@clayhayeshunter Жыл бұрын
Those are pretty hard to come by around here!
@HonestDoubter10 ай бұрын
You dissapoint me, Clay. You had charcoal, hickory, and cows in the early part of this video and didn't have the common sense to have a BBQ?!?!? Come on man!!! ;) Thanks for all your knowledge brother.
@clayhayeshunter10 ай бұрын
Next time 🤣
@sytdoc32182 жыл бұрын
I wonder why you don't heat seal belly and back of the bow?
@alexhamon92612 жыл бұрын
As forgiving as hickory is if you violate the outermost growth ring that's taking the tension, most whitewood bows fail violently from a tension break.
@jkre2 жыл бұрын
heating the wood makes it harder, but also more brittle, heating the back will make the back too brittle and it will explode under the stress