Daylight Savings Is About To End: Is That Good?

[@danmarsh5949]

The problem with a universal time, is that no matter where you set it, you'll have a big chunk of the world where the date is changing in the middle of the work day. As anybody who's worked third shift can tell you, this is a pain in the butt.

[@p-j-y-d]

In the same way that January means Summer in the Southern hemisphere (a simple fact that everybody in the Northern hemisphere I've talked to seems very surprised to become aware of), 0:00 hours universal time would mean whatever makes sense depending on where you are (night, day, morning, evening, etc.). And nowadays most computer systems (the very systems managing shifts in most workplaces) internally work with universal time, so the pain is in the computers' butt.

[@WSWC_]

​@@p-j-y-d the computers aren't expected to provide service work for 6-8 hours and then have a life afterwards.

[@70n24]

Ok, it isn't that great, but it's definitely something you get used to and get to work around. I started working with a 24+ clock until the end of shift to start the new day (1 AM is 25:00, 2 AM is 26:00, etc)

[@MPbmfm]

I hope I'm not getting you wrong about the third shift but I guess you mean the night shift If the night shift started at 0:00 and ended at 8 the date wouldn't be changing in the middel of the work day

[@danmarsh5949]

@@MPbmfm I've worked third shift a lot over the years. Sometimes it starts at midnight, but usually not. Heck, in casinos, second ("swing") shift gets to deal with the date change because it traditionally starts at 8PM.

[@aaaaaaa9405]

“I agree with Putin” -Toycat, 2024

[@torenthe_expert8977]

Gotta remember that for if he gets cancelled.

[@mrfrog0913]

*CLIP THAT*

[@mr.fahrenheit7009]

good

[@disoriented1]

People forget that Stalin agreed with most when the sun was shining. Hitler agreed with most when it was night. Agreeing on obvious facts of nature does not make one a Communist or Nazi. We tend to forget, both Stalin and Hitler, whether we like it or not, were human just as we are. I hope I can agree with Hitler that the sun is a bright orange ball in the sky without being called a Nazi.

[@AdanSolas]

But Putin is unironically correct about many things.

[@adamyt0]

“Why don’t we change the way the company operates… no let’s change time itself” 🤣 great vid

[@AholeAtheist]

Shithouse vid. DST means that sunrise time is more uniform year round. Problems with "circadian rhythm can be solved by doing it more incrementally, such as perhaps 15m every week for a month, unlike this clown's strawman of saying "wHy NoT cHaNgE iT bY a MiNuTe EvErYdAy Or BaSeD oN tHe InDiViDuAl" which is clearly a dumb extreme version of the actual solution. Imagine agreeing with Donald Trump. LOL

[@PMickeyDee]

Okay that ain't a hot take. Americans have wanted this for years. Some state even have trigger laws in place for when/if the federal government puts the legislation through.

[@daniellapain1576]

Why would you wait, the people wait for the government when the government is waiting for the people. It’s simple the people just need to get rid of it and the government will follow.

[@d.c.8828]

​@@daniellapain1576 People just need to get rid of government

[@PMickeyDee]

@daniellapain1576 there's a lot of history of time tomfoolery so the best I can give is a TLDR. Time used to be a mess and caused issues with commerce & just day to day living. After the civil war time zones were created to reduce some of the chaos with faster travel and communications. During the world wars different versions of DST were implemented to reduce energy consumption. Then in 1966 came the uniform time act which standardized DST and also allowed states to opt-out of which Arizona and Hawaii opted out. Now imagine every state just doing their own thing *out of the blue.* For example, my state Louisiana is smack dab in the middle of the central time zone. If Louisiana were just to do their own thing you'd have everyone in Arkansas, Mississippi, and Texas agreeing that it's one time for part of the year while Louisiana says it's an hour earlier or later. Business, travelers, railroads, big trucks all have to switch to a different time when they're traversing the gret stet. It sounds like a reasonable solution but once you peek behind the curtain its a lot more complicated than it first appears especially because we aren't localized economies operating independently, we're in an era of global markets.

[@johnp139]

Most people are too stupid to know which they want and what the implications of each are.

[@dearthditch]

Used to be the time was based on the sun overhead. And everyone set their watches that way. Now imagine trying to sort trains

[@themanifestorsmind]

My grandma and her siblings always referred to daylight savings time as "fake time." When we turn the clocks back in the fall (autumn), they would say "we're going back to real time."

[@BrianWoodruff-Jr]

Fake time forever!

[@lysanne201]

I want permanent real time so bad, my health is done with fake time.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

​@@lysanne201I want fake time forever. "Real" time is horrible for my health. I'm so done with not seeing the sun after work for 3+ months.

[@felixmoore6781]

All time is fake.

[@Ariverfish]

Monkey see sunrise: I wake Monkey see sunset: I sleep

[@Ixarus6713]

Eh, more like; Monkey see light: I awaken and cease emitting sleep chemicals. Monkey not see light: I begin producing sleep chemicals and I sleep.

[@AngelMartinez-mg1ok]

🤓​@@Ixarus6713

[@CovocNexus]

@@Ixarus6713 Bro did you really try to do a "well actuallly" to this without even adding anything of value? If we wanted to be particular, then first and formost humans aren't monkeys we are primates. Second, how exact do we want to be on the mechanism of sleep formation in humans? Do we need to name the molecules and receptors? Or don't you think just saying "I wake/I sleep" suffices for this meme?

[@roseroserosierose]

@@CovocNexus 🥺🥺🥺

[@davidebacchi9030]

And that’s why 12:00 should be mid-day. More time zones so there’s less difference between east most and west most point. Think Europe where Portugal should be at utc-1 is utc (utc+1 dst), France that should be utc is utc+1 (utc+2 dst). They say Spanishes live “later”, they actually live according to true Spanish time.

[@zarzavattzarzavatt9309]

the vast majority of europeans want to end daylight savings and even the european parliament voted to stop dst, but the european council (and some countries) hasn't agreed on it yet. imo eventually this will happen

[@titou707]

Honestly, I would rather have DST, aka summer time, at all times, I would definitely go protest if they end it , and we just go back to winter time at all times, who cares about waking up with the sun, I just love never ending summer days.

[@zarzavattzarzavatt9309]

@@titou707 ok, maybe i put it wrong. i wanted to say that most europeans want to stop switching time. i guess making the summer time permanent would work too. but the standard time (which is the winter time) is a bir more logical since 12pm (noon) in winter time is closer to "solar noon". daily schedules (like working hours) can be changed accordingly (you only need to do it once)

[@Luki82]

@@zarzavattzarzavatt9309 Yes, it's of the greatest importance to keep solar clocks work correctly. And let's just changing working hours...are we still talking about reality?

[@Anonymous-sb9rr]

​@@Luki82Changing working hours is not that hard. Just ask your boss together with your colleagues. Have the other employers sign a letter that states they support a change in their working hours. Most bosses will let you have it, because it doesn't matter to them, as long as the number of working hours stays the same.

[@kosinusify]

@Luki82 you know that our circadian rhythm heavily depends on the sun, though? It's not just to please one's inner monk, it is for biological reasons also.

[@qTrinity]

Most people actually want permanent DST (summer time) but they don't realise that, and they say to stop DST, not knowing that it means standard time (winter time) all year

[@CyanideCarrot]

Sleep scientists want permanent standard time

[@Keykhosrau]

@@CyanideCarrot Road safety experts want permanent summer time

[@zachary456]

@@Keykhosrauhow is driving in the dark in the morning safe

[@Spacemongerr]

​@@zachary456Safer to drive in the dark after a nights rest than to drive in the dark after a tiring day at work

[@appa609]

Physicists want local solar time. We have the technology.

[@StormyXV]

the importance of sleep is really overestimated, i hate when people mess with it edit: omg i meant underestimated

[@pauldekoning7679]

Underestimated?

[@StormyXV]

@@pauldekoning7679 yes thank you lol

[@sam_b]

so instead of editing overestimated to underestimated u edited the comment to say "edit: omg i meant underestimated" underneath why lol ??/

[@pauldekoning7679]

@@sam_b I mean makes sense, otherwise my comment doesn't make sense haha

[@StormyXV]

@@sam_b what paul replied to u is exactly why

[@jdotoz]

As a solar owner, I love daylight time. Peak use hours stay the same but you get more sun during them. To be clear, I don't want to keep the clock shifts, I want permanent daylight time.

[@akzebraminer]

That’s great and all but I would not want sunrise to be at 8 AM in California. It’d be depressing.

[@wormalism]

For big countries that span multiple timezones, I suppose Western regions could have permanent daylight savings and Eastern regions could have permanent standard time to reduce the time differences. Though, I think I still prefer Standard Time and for people to argue about what should constitute business hours and have that set through legislation. It would be nice to have 1200 maintain its traditional meaning of the sun being at its highest point though?

[@jdotoz]

@wormalism I think time zones should mostly stay as they are.

[@rreece90]

12:07 The problem with these otherwise beautiful maps is that the definitions of "reasonable sunrise/sunset time" are very arbitrary. With 7 AM / 6 PM it indeed looks like permanent winter time would make sense. But shift them to 8 AM / 7 PM and I bet it would be the opposite! And I would argue, that for many (if not most) people the later makes more sense.

[@blah9605]

China is already practicing differing work hours in their far West since the whole country has only 1 timezones despite being wider than the Continental US

[@yl861]

Western Chinese people sure love go to work at 8 am in complete darkness

[@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367]

Yeah that's some silly communist shit.. also local people still go by their own time in day to day things, when you ask Uyghurs for example still use their old time zone time in conversation

[@kosinusify]

Which doesn't make any sense.

[@xraze6906]

​@@kosinusify Nothing says 'unified country' like screwing over the rural half for a meaningless aesthetic.

[@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367]

@@kosinusify chinese are not logical people. It's merely an ethno nationalist move to harm the territories that are not Chinese.. it's part of their policy of removing and replacing the native people in their land as some sort of revenge for past suffering caused by some imagined oppression Chinese collectively feel

[@TheOne_6]

0:33 clip this i dare you

[@amistry605]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Ridz149]

He’s so emotive whilst saying it 💀

[@Langharig_Tuig]

I dont understand why we dont just universally agree to shift our daily schedule without changing the clock. "hey, it's dark, wanna start earlier/later for the coming months?" "yeah, great idea". I work early, I like daylight savings only for the fact that I dont want to spend the first 4 hours of my shift in the dark and still go home in the dark...

[@jdotoz]

"Shifting our schedule" is exactly what changing the clock does.

[@xa-38]

Agreed, changing the clocks is just a silly way to accomplish something that shouldve been standard in the first place without making time inaccurate

[@johnp139]

How long is your shift?

[@Langharig_Tuig]

@@johnp139 9 hours. There's less than 8 hours of daylight in our days in winter. I work and it still before sunrise. I work and it is already after sunfall

[@YavorM-Yash]

Because it's the same thing. And because it messes with your daily routine - you wake up one hour earlier. Though you don't go to sleep earlier. This is the general downside of all time shifting.

[@CharlesGregory]

Claiming Tasmania isn’t part of Australia sounds exactly like something that a guy who agrees with Trump and Putin would say.

[@-Katastrophe]

Trump probably wants to buy that, too! I mean, wouldn't be his worst purchase.

[@josiahferrell5022]

@CharlesGregory Actually, I would expect him to say Tasmania is a part of Ausrralia...as is New Zealand and Japan

[@DavidSolimano]

@@josiahferrell5022 "Greater Kangarooistan"

[@d.c.8828]

( **Ahem** ) Does Taiwan / Formosa belong to China ? 🇨🇳

[@d.c.8828]

​@@josiahferrell5022 Don't Papua my New Guinea, m8 🇵🇬

[@EnricosUtLP]

does daylight savings even help with the sun being up while awake? During the winter it's always dark before and after working hours.

[@tvhead7074]

During winter is standard time. Spring and Summer (sun being out later) is daylight savings time.

[@xraze6906]

Depends where you live. DST is an unmitigated disaster for those living in the Western parts of a timezone

[@johnp139]

Depends on what latitude you are at.

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

Thank you for using 'you are' instead of the common 'your'. 'you're' is also acceptable.

[@bebe8090]

I got confused by this too. I used to think it was about getting an extra hour of daylight in winter since the days are so much shorter. But it's actually about getting an extra hour when the days are already long. It doesn't make much sense to me. Thank you friend.

[@Respectable_Username]

That map is wrong. Most Australian states do observe daylight savings. And it's for a good reason: Summer time means you get more light in the day, and winter time means you're not waking up in the dark (which is bad for your circadian rhythm)

[@retrozmachine1189]

Technically true but ... NSW, SA, Tas, Vic do, QLD, WA, NT don't. Let's not play the state vs territory game here either. Tas is a state but in reality it may as well be part of Vic and the territories I've not mentioned such as ACT for practical purposes really are just parts of the states they exist in. So it's more like NSW, SA and Vic do and QLD, WA and NT don't. In terms of population split it's clearer, the majority of Australians are afflicted with DLS. Waking up in the dark does not affect circadian rhythm. Screwing around with the clock so that you lurch + / - an hour does. DLS in the modern era really is a post WWII anachronism that needs to go away. The usual BS of 'it saves electricity' etc comes out every time. Give it up people. Step into the 21st century.

[@AholeAtheist]

Exactly. DST essentially makes sunrise time more uniform year round. If there's a problem with circadian rhythm, then it should be solved by changing the clocks 15m once a week for a month instead of just doing away with DST.

[@akzebraminer]

@@AholeAtheistThat can’t be good for the circadian rhythm

[@JG-vh6oy]

OP, the map's not wrong. Toycat is just covering up the parts that do follow it. In any case, daylight savings is a silly idea and I look forward to its abolition

[@michelangelobuonarroti4958]

The problem is that this would revert the clocks back to winter time, or standard time, which is the inferior of the 2 times imo. I'd rather have that extra hour of day in the evening than in the morning.

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

I agree

[@COPKALA]

In summer time sun is up at 4:00 and sets 21:00 in the south of Italy (in Germany up at 3:30 and sets at 22:30)so ???? This has always been a stupid idea. Sorry to say that. It might again might make sense the 2+2 weeks in May and November (if at all).

[@gonnaga9302]

@@COPKALA In Tropea, southern Italy the longest day is 05:31-20:24. In Berlin, Germany the longest day is 04:43-21:33

[@gonnaga9302]

Yeah, in Sweden it makes even less sense. In (southern!) sweden the day before going winter time the sun goes down 17:30, and the day after 16:30. So in one swift swoop it gets dark as hell and you don't see the sun until late February if you work indoors. If anything daylight saving time should be on the dark end of the year. But best would be summer time all the year. Nothing says you HAVE to revert back to how it was over 100 years ago. Just go with the better option (summer time), and stay there. Some autists with too much power will probably fuck it up and make it winter time ("sTAnDaRd tiME").

[@andrewbrian7659]

TBF, we did used to have personalised time zones. Each town or village would have its own time which it kept and might be adjusted by astronomers every so often. It was only really trains and later shipping that required that creating of the time zones we have today. I actually wonder if (perhaps Russia is a good case study for this?) abolishing DST would cause a gradual increase in mortality instead of the spike we see. I could imagine that the effects of seeing less sunlight over the course of six months where you don't really see sunlight anyway (I think that is what would happen under perpetual summer time?) would cause large mood swings and would make Seasonal Affectiveness Disorder worse in the population, causing a general increase in bad things happening.

[@-eternal]

My heart hurts every time I am forced to wake up at an unnatural time my body isn't used to.

[@danmarsh5949]

I suspect that if DST observance ends, states/countries will end up rejiggering the time zone lines, because eastern and western extremes of current time zones have very different opinions about whether Daylight Time or Standard Time are "better."

[@xaverlustig3581]

Russia isn't really on winter time, because it still is on decree time which is effectively permanent DST introduced in 1930 for the entire Soviet Union and still valid in most of Russia. When they had DST, they really were 2 hours ahead of their original time, which is a fact that is mostly forgotten.

[@heronimousbrapson863]

By eliminating daylight saving time, I assume you mean permanent year-round standard time.

[@LUNE.44]

Yo, Toycat, have a look at the map of time zones in the world. The more you look at it the more baffling it gets, so many things make seemingly no sense whatsoever. I’d love to hear your take on it all

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

Im sure he's done this more than once.

[@MacroAggressor]

The hilarious thing of all of this, is in previous years (before Trump ever mentioned DST), every time the subject of cancelling DST came up, polls strongly indicated that the vast majority of people agreed with getting rid of it, and I hardly ever spoke to anyone who was in favor of keeping it. But "Orange Man Bad"™, lol.

[@johnp139]

@@MacroAggressor Most people are too stupid to realize the consequences of either eliminating DST or keeping it permanently. They often confuse the two and say contradictory things like “I like having the sun up later in the summer so we should get rid of DST”.

[@jimrandell2997]

And yet, people still want to end DST, including those (like this KZbinr, as well as myself) that don’t like trump. I searched for any evidence (even anecdotal) that support for this issue has been impacted by trumps position on this issue, but couldn’t find any (not even opinion pieces). “orange man bad” is a construct required when the application of manichaean lens fails to make sense of a complex society.

[@cactus6463]

I’m against it because I want DST to be permanent, not because of my distain for Trump. Every other liberal I’ve met has said the same thing. Maybe it’s difference of regions, but permanent standard time would be awful for folks in the PNW.

[@akzebraminer]

I don’t think that’s it. It’s just people want to have year-round daylight time, though I am not in that camp as I think it’s stupid. Waking up in the dark is miserable.

[@doubleleterlady]

Not just accidents, but heart attacks also increased measurably during the time change.

[@johnlabus7359]

I think that Trump intends to try ending Standard Time, not Daylight Saving time. That was his position in the first term. Then again, he could be following daddy Putin.

[@jasonhale4639]

I don't care what time we use as long as we just pick one and stick with it. I hate time changing. It sucks.

[@Saryana0]

For the EU, to my understanding, there was an attempt to abolish DST but no one could agree on whether to stick to summer or winter time. From personal observations, I've found that people from more northern countries prefer keeping winter time and people from more southern countries (such as myself) prefer summer time. The issue is how confusing it might end up being - imagine Germany decides to stick with summer time, while Denmark prefers to stick with winter (which is actually the current preference for the countries). Even for the countries surrounding them, Poland prefers summer time, while the Netherlands prefer winter time. How can a timezone be created that doesn't just look bonkers? I'd say the only solution I can see is one that's divided both West-East but also North-South. It will be a bit of a diagonal timezone but it can still sort of work.

[@MattMcIrvin]

There's also a division by lifestyle. People who have to get up for work early in the morning, or whose kids do to go to school, prefer year-round Standard Time. People who live their lives later on the clock would prefer year-round DST.

[@pepbobmc]

They can all have the same timezone and just start the workday at different times and not fuck up every train, flight and meeting schedule known to man in the process

[@Randomstuffs261]

I am literally in *TEARS* right now. Daylight savings was like a brother to me...

[@MonochromeWench]

This problem is unsovable as you'll never get everyone to agree on if they want more daylight time in the morning during winter or more daylight time in the evening in summer. If you forced noon to be local solar noon, you'd get consensus as no one would be happy. Of course if you could change people's habbits to consider that if there is more morning time they could do other things during the morning you might get an agreement. If you have 4 hours of sunlight before work in the morning, that is a lot of time to do non work things. Changing peoples habbits on a large scale like this is probably also impossible as there is a certain rigidity about the time people want to go to bed and get up.

[@xraze6906]

4 hours of sun before work? Where tf is that I get 3 hours of work before sun

[@johnp139]

@@xraze6906On the northeast coast like NYC. Without DST in the summer, the sun would rise around 4 am.

[@peytonannett4911]

I clock in at 7, why would I want daylight (or to be awake) at 3am?

[@markojovanovski3372]

Tap water maps are always such bullshit

[@EVILBUNNY28]

Imagine how wild the New Year’s parties would be if everyone celebrated the 1st January at the exact same second. I feel like the earth would literally explode and just I can’t really explain my feeling

[@Iangamebr]

To all people wanting daylight savings all the time. Just literally make 8-4 instead of 9-5. It's that simple. Stop messing with time, it's stupid.

[@FartCity-WorldDomination]

8-4 sounds shorter than 9-5 for some reason despite them being the same amount of time… I agree!

[@Dasim6786]

People work 8-5 not 9-5

[@MattMcIrvin]

We can't NOT mess with time--standards that people can agree on are useful, technology is now at a point of precision where even the differences between individual clocks coming from relativistic physics can matter, and even UTC is a social construct. The question is just what form of messing with time is most socially constructive.

[@ilikeshiba]

⁠​⁠@@Dasim6786I work 10-8 or 9-7 most days

[@peadarruane6582]

So to deal with an 'ineffecient' Daylight savings systems in a co-ordinated centralised way, you think the problem would be more effectively addressed by countless businesses, schools, and institutions doing it piecemeal.

[@cyanidecologne9018]

Time changes mess me up and cause insomnia for weeks. It's more insidious than jet lag and readjusting. It's a week later that it really hits me

[@outbackigloo6489]

I think time should be permanently on standard time. If during the summer, you find that sunrises are too early and you don’t get enough evening sun, then plan your day an hour earlier to better utilize the available sunlight. In effect, it would be your own personal Daylight Savings Time; just don’t impose that on the entire country!

[@hugh1997]

Bin off, it’s close to 70% of people that prefer daylight savings year round to standard time year round. I think if a permanent switch is made, you may be the camp forced to suffer for the rest.

[@outbackigloo6489]

The U.S. did try year-long DST. This was in 1974. It proved to be very unpopular due to concerns of children going to school when it was still nighttime. It went into effect just after the New Year and it was repealed that October. Overall, the attempt at year-long DST was a failure. Wikipedia has a mention of this in their article “Daylight Saving Time in the United States.” In that article, “Over three months from December [1973] to March [1974], public support dropped from 79% to 42%.” So if we are to eliminate changing the clocks, we should stay with standard time.

[@peytonannett4911]

Why is kids being in the dark such an issue? We have street lamps. Having more time at the end of my day after work with the sun still up is way more important than some kids having to be in the dark. Boo hoo. Nobody wants it getting dark on your drive home at 4:30pm. If you’re worried about your poor kids being in the dark, we have some brilliant technology in LED streetlights that you should employ.

[@peytonannett4911]

The sad reality is that many people are unable to control their own schedules when it comes to start/leave times for work. We have bosses to make that decision for us that don’t care about our preference to start an hour earlier. Moving to DST for the whole year gives an opportunity to move the usable daylight for everyone an hour back to use it in the later portions of the day when it can be used for personal use. I don’t care where the sun is while I’m being paid by ‘The Man’, but you can bet that I would rather have daylight if I am off the clock. Permanent DST gives me more time off the clock with usable sunlight.

[@outbackigloo6489]

@@peytonannett4911 - There were street lamps in 1974; it is still harder to see people in the dark. It would have been nice if schools could have adjusted by opening hours an hour later until around mid to late February. They didn’t though, at least not in my experience. My junior high school started at 7:50 when sunrise was at 9:00.

[@anj000]

What a great idea. During winter days are shorter? Lets move clocks so that sun goes away quicker and you see less of it.

[@themanifestorsmind]

The winter time is the "real" time though. DST, the fake one, is the summer time.

[@zachary456]

? Winter time is standard, if we keep standard time the winter will stay the same

[@-eternal]

@@zachary456 it's a redditor, you can ignore their subtle self righteous proclamations of intelligence.

[@SamualN]

​@@-eternal "it" lol

[@baph0met]

Brother, moving clocks doesn't make the Sun go away quicker.

[@Orangensaft_inc.]

Ok so basically in summer i wake up and go to sleep in daylight, daylight savings doesn't change this, in the winter i go to school without daylight, i come home from school without daylight, daylight savings would give me enough time to get home before it gets dark but it wouldn't give me more usable time with daylight

[@andibrema]

This has been my opinion forever and nobody ever seems to agree so thank you

[@alexanderzieschang2664]

3:25 Thing is, it's not even that you get home after work when the sun is up in winter. For this the clocks would have to be turned the other way.

[@Danokh]

Depends where you live

[@CommieHampter]

svalbard totally *needs* daylight savings in the summer

[@cookric555]

uk winter is only 8hrs daylight but in summer its over 16hrs sunrise is at 0816 and sunset is at 1618 in winter

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

Nope

[@darrenparis8314]

Winter time is where the central longitudes of a timezone have equal time from midnight to sunrise and midnight to sunset, making it more "true" time. Midnight is 00:00:00 in military time, and this is the only natural tie to our arbitrary time system. Therefore, winter time is best.

[@TheUtube666]

By the way, the correct term is "Daylight Saving" not "Daylight Savings." Time is what you are "saving," "savings" is money you put aside for a long term purpose or emergency, That error is way too common! Anyway, be that as it may, there are some who want to go the other direction and make a "standard time" of the "daylight saving" variety. Bad idea. We tried it in the 1970's during the Arab oil embargo and it was as black as midnight at 7 AM in the depths of Winter. Not good for kids getting on school buses and the like. I've long held the idea that it would make more sense to make a "standard time" of 1/2 hour forward from "standard time" and leave it that way permanently. It may not be quite as light in June at 9 PM, but it won't be as dark in December at 7 AM either.

[@gappleofdiscord9752]

No, it's a genitive of "saving" It is the time of daylight saving, or "Daylight saving's time" Both ways are correct of course because daylight saving can act as a modifier in "Daylight saving time"

[@anubis2814]

I grew up in Indiana which didn't have DST until the early 2000s. It was great, we were in the perfect west part of the zone that we always had the best amount of sunlight. Moved to the east coast and OMG was winter depressing, always dark by around 4:30. Breaking the US up into 5 time zones might be better, or like you said creating a state based starting day point might be a much better option.

[@smpark12]

I’ve always said we should just adapt our schedules with the seasons not change the numerical time

[@YavorM-Yash]

It's the same thing.

[@BleuSquid]

You'd think employers would just shift their schedules, but I don't think they will. Most people in my life (myself included) work a 7-3 schedule, not a 9-5, and that's tied to the public school schedules, which also tend to operate around the same hours. A lot of working-class parents would have to drastically increase their childcare budget if either employers or schools shifted their schedules independently of the other, which is money many can't afford. As for myself, a certified night owl, my only real concern is one of safety. I'm 100% in favor of ditching the clock change, but the argument of which time to stay on is a biggie. Unless schools end up shifting their start time later in the day, I strongly believe we should stay on winter time year-round, as that reduces the days per year that children would be waiting for the school bus in the dark.

[@Aostrele]

You’re saying that the standard time should be… standard time? Yeah it’s not that hard to disagree with

[@BleuSquid]

@Aostrele You would think... But the argument I always hear is that people want to stay on summer time.

[@Aostrele]

@@BleuSquid Wow, that’s weird, standard time is obviously the better candidate for standard time…

[@peytonannett4911]

Streetlights exist for this purpose. I’d rather have the daylight at a time of day that I can actually use for me (being paid to work in the dark for longer in the morning and then having more daylight for personal use after work hours is preferable). Kids can wait in the dark. Getting off of work and having the sun go down immediately at 4:30pm is downright depressing.

[@peytonannett4911]

This means stay on SUMMER time

[@KingLarbear]

You're the first creator that i have to watch on 0.75x, normally i watch people on 1.5x to 3.0x

[@peter_smyth]

The time should be that 12:00 is the hour nearest solar noon. Keeping DST all year is stupid, we should stick to standard time, and agree to a work schedule that maximise the use of daylight.

[@GoldenTV3]

You should do a video on the viability of Universal Time. Basically what China has implemented within their own country. Basically there is just one worldwide time, no AM or PM. Just 24 hour clock. And the 00:00 could be set to greenwhich. So sunrise in one area of the world may be 20:00 and 06:00 somewhere else. Businesses would then be much more encouraged to create business hours that fit with their local environment. The only weird thing is a new day may start where the sun is fully in the sky in some areas of the world. So imagine being at work and a new starts mid way through the work "day"

[@Okinawa455]

You know, I actually like Daylight savings time. When it gets dark too early I start feeling a bit depressed.

[@jossdeiboss]

I am glad more and more people are talking about this. When you are very North, the hour of difference will not impact the daylight when you leave the office for most of the winter...there will be an impact only some weeks in Autumn and, viceversa, some weeks in Spring. If you are not so North, then the energy saving will be useless, because it does not change the overal usage of energy that much.

[@TrimutiusToo]

Back when we used candles it made more sense... But now that we have electric light, especially something as efficient as LEDs, it just not worth it anymore to do DST

[@TheMightyKinkle]

Nooo. We still need it in the UK to make the most of our already crap summers

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

Summer was good last year 2024

[@IAhmadGT]

The Egyptian government reintroduced daylight saving 2 years ago and I fricking despise it

[@xDanKaix]

I’m so glad that my birthday falls on the shortest day of there year…

[@deebte__]

everywhere should have permanent winter time so solar noon is near actual noon the way god intended. we should also fix the horrendous time zone boundaries to further this

[@sophiapriest]

I hated school in the summer in the US because it was still basically night time, although now I'm in Australia in the Northern Territory where there is no daylight savings. Also, the map is a bit wrong, and many states in Australia still do participate in daylight savings, but everyone here still thinks the whole clock change thing is stupid. Great video btw

[@DJKav]

The UK did an experiment in October 1968 to 1971, where they remained in GMT+1 for 3 years. It was called British Standard Time. Maybe you should check that out and research it.

[@EatSleepEmpire]

We need to start the day earlier once and stick to that. There’s no point sleeping while there’s light out if you come home and it’s dark before you can do anything in the day.

[@Nebs1]

I work on the railway in an Australian state that follows Daylight saving time. Our live schedulers are based in a state without daylight savings. What issues that caused for the first couple of years when the clocks changed over. Some of the people in the other state who are responsible for planning out start and finish times, timetable and relief crews really struggled to get their head around it DST since they had never had to deal with it before.

[@JointSpecialistTV]

Global synchronized time would be insanity

[@daxxk100]

Not me living a few miles west of the time zone border for half my life and then the east the other half of my life

[@michah321]

They've been saying they're getting rid of daylight savings for years, or going to permanent daylight savings. But that doesn't happen

[@Cole_1]

Every year the clock should fall back one hour so we can sleep more

[@lawrencewatkiss-veal1907]

Not sure what my opinion is, but here's a couple of things to consider: 1: Should children have walk to school in the dark? 2: The purpose of timekeeping is to obtain information to help us make decisions. Do we want the information to be comprehensive so that it stands on its own, without the need to collect more information from other places?

[@vickypedia1308]

Honestly I never saw any benefit to winter time here in Northern Germany, because you still only get sun at around 8-9 am, and most kids wake up 6-7 am for school.

[@quakquak6141]

my stupid take is that we should have daylight saving time during summer and super daylight saving time during winter, I want it to not be dark during the time of day I can actually do things for myself.

[@johnp139]

That’s a conflict with human’s natural circadian rhythm.

[@baph0met]

​@@johnp139Human circadian rhythm is light = wake up, dark = go to sleep, 7-10 hours of sleeping. That's it.

[@ElectricityTaster]

After much thought, I actually support changing the clocks twice a year. The alternative is a hodge-podge of every business changing their opening hours at different times and by different amounts.

[@BrentHurst13]

I agree except I don't think you were harsh enough against the insane idea of permanent DST. Time zones are set up so that (broadly and ignoring political changes) the sun is (approximately) directly overhead at noon in the center of the time zone*. With DST, the sun is directly overhead at 1:00pm in the center of the time zone*. That's insane. What time it is is based on how the earth rotates and where the sun appears to be in the sky. Lying about what time it is (by changing the clocks) instead of changing our habits (eg changing the workday schedule) is insane, unscientific, and should never even be considered. *Yeah, yeah, it's a little before that some days, a little after other days, depends on temporal proximity to solstice/equinox, that's true. But on average, my point stands.

[@quain5063]

Yeah the vast majority of commenters jumping to permanent DST without understanding toycat's point have my blood boiling lol "oh but sunset is 10pm in summer" - that's just unnatural af to me when it should be 9pm. The problem isn't time itself it's the fixed 9-to-5. Let's have more flexible work hours instead.

[@Dukenukem]

@@quain5063 There is no "natural time", nature ignores the clock. Time is a human invention and moves as we agree.

[@BrentHurst13]

​​@@Dukenukem There's a sense in which you're right, but some time-relates things are definitely natural. It takes the earth ~365.24 rotations to revolve around the sun. The word for an earth rotation is "day", and the word for a revolution around the sun is "year". Some cultures consider days to start at different times than my culture (eg my culture, like most of the world to my knowledge, considers the new day to start in the MIDdle of the NIGHT, thus midnight, while historically Jewish culture considered the new day to start at the start of the night/evening.) That's something that we get to choose how we want to measure time. But notice that each culture that I mentioned decided to measure the start of the day based on the day-night cycle. DST means we consider the start of the new day to be "one hour after the middle of the night". That's insane. Sure, we can define anything and call anything what we want, but we shouldn't. Our clocks during standard time are synced (in the middle of the time zone) to be at noon when the sun is in the middle of the sky and at midnight when we're at the middle of the night. Basing the clock on anything other than that natural day-night cycle is pointless.

[@C4Oc.]

​@@Dukenukem Except there is. We have something called a circadian rhythm.

[@flapsonni2137]

​@C4Oc.yeah but peoples circadian rythyms adjust to different conditions in the middle ages a lot of ppl went to sleep woke up at 3 am worked 3 hours went back to sleep woke up and worked again

[@dougfowler1368]

Very interesting and entertaining. It makes me wonder if those westernmost parts of the time zones will simply decide to change time zones. It seems like anything is up for grabs. That part about more individualized time reminds me of what I read about the world before time zones, where train schedules and things like that had to be adjusted because it would be 2:15 and DC but 2:17 in Philadelphia and maybe 2:20 in New York or something.

[@ilikeshiba]

Tap water is safe to drink in Taiwan at least if you live in newer construction in a more urban area. The water itself is safe but old pipes may not be, but that’s true even in the US to a lesser extent.

[@GazGaryGazza]

The sort of claims this video makes sets off my BS detector instantly - in particular the main reason very quickly skirted over of some random claim of a 30% and a 16% increase in accidents on the day the clocks change. What report, what countries did it cover, over how many years, what's the methodology of collecting those figures etc.

[@Pete856]

Even if those number were true, it's only the one day and not a long term average. And sure, some would say that any increase (even if it's only for a day) is really bad, I'd ask where are the figures showing the the long term average of not changing the clocks? I mean, in the summer if you're find yourself always waking too early, an extra hour of sleep might reduce the accident rate. Likewise in the winter, having the sun rise an hour earlier might reduce accidents in the morning etc.

[@gregsparks2617]

as someone that lives in northern scandinavia I never understood why we need "extra" daytime in the summer. "you know that time of year when the sun never goes down? don't you think we need more sun time then?"

[@xaverlustig3581]

In the tropics as well as in polar regions DST is kinda pointless. It's really useful only in mid latitudes. Look at it from our perspective, we don't get midnight sun or white nights. Also, it's not that we only want longer evenings only in summer. We'd like it all year round if we could, it's just that in winter those who need to get up early suffer because of late sunrise, so it's not done in the dark season.

[@johnp139]

I think that it has more to do with delaying the sunrise, but you are correct.

[@nataliamundell6266]

I love the fact toy cat almost went on a rant then was just like nah "Its the same amount of sunlight "

[@nataliamundell6266]

11:33

[@dillonhofsommer5648]

What really grinds my gears is that in 2021, Marco Rubio proposed the Sunshine Protection Act making a permanent DST and it passed unanimously in the US senate, but because the house didn't bother voting on it, it never went anywhere.

[@DavidSolimano]

@@dillonhofsommer5648 excellent news tbh I wrote many angry letters asking for it to be voted down

[@xraze6906]

​@@DavidSolimano So the house is capable of smart decisions? Astonishing

[@COPKALA]

There is no use of shifting the time, I live in a country where sun is up at 4:00 and goes down at 22:00 in the summer... The sun is up anyway!

[@7ista]

Besides that daylight savings thing, the tap water map totally depends on what province of a certain country do you live in, for example in my home nation of Iran, it's totally safe to drink tap water in Karaj, questionable in neighboring Tehran, and completely unsafe in Mashhad, because Karaj has a water source built-in, Tehran imports from Karaj and Mashhad has none

[@Osquirr]

I hate changing the time, I love summer and long days but I don't see the need for it to go back to waking up late even if you have more light in the afternoon there are still many hours of light left, they should stop changing the time to Standard Time all year round

[@Zarya.]

4:45 I dont consider tasmania australia -> australia is huge btw its a whole continent size country there omg that go me laughing

[@crocogator665]

"I don't want you to die from watching this video, but I hope you enjoyed it regardless" Umm...

[@paulpetersen6539]

I've often said: As far as I'm concerned, anything north of Spain is 'the north pole'. And anything south of Sydney is the south pole. Uninhabitable. Might as well be Mars.

[@maxrburgess]

4:35 bruh, Tasmania has the most to do with Antarctica of any of the states. That said, the icebreaker can't refuel in the capital (Hobart) because it can't fit under the bridge so maybe we aren't so good at this whole "gateway city to Antarctica" thing.

[@hollytalmage]

Australia definitely still uses daylight savings in the south east btw

[@Pepperoni-e9r]

I wish it would just stay on daylight savings time. Where the Sun sets later in the evening. Today where I live the sun sets at 5:15 on standard time. It would be amazing if the sunset at 6:15 instead.

[@Pepperoni-e9r]

I didn't mean to make time stamps😅

[@elgrazo82]

yesss this 100%! sunrise at 4am is just terrible, i'd rather still have sunlight in the evening when being outside

[@FreddieSea]

I don’t.

[@recurse]

Omg, you know how to say Newfoundland correctly!!

[@DelticEngine]

I agree with ending daylight saving time. It would be better to choose or agree to start and finish an hour earlier if you wanted to 'save' daylight.

[@AbyssEyes02]

the only reason i like daylight savings is because im a new driver and i have to drive to my college an hr everyday, its quite a pain being blinded by peoples headlights especially in the mornings.

[@vhgiv]

Daylight savings was there to save oil or something. Could be wrong. Or for "farmers" which is silly because we work in the light most of the time anyways. The sun is our clock

[@estraume]

In Iceland, we have GMT all year, so that is kind of Daylight Savings Time all year. Reykjavik where most of the people live is in the western part of the country and the sun is in the south about 1:30 pm, which means that it is dark almost to noon during Christmas and the Sun sets at midnight in the end of June.

[@petergibson2318]

Most people live under streetlights nowadays. We have eternal daylight. Starry nights are a distant memory for most people.

[@Dukenukem]

The 16% of accidents the day the hour is added is from people that have to work for the extra hour longer There is not debate about "ending the clock switch" everybody can agree on that. The real debate is "what time will we keep" and so far the end to that was always "we agree to not agree, lets just keep switching".

[@sam_c95]

Keep summer time and get rid of winter time. Dark evenings are the most depressing thing about winter. For me, getting up in the morning is a bad experience regardless what the sun is doing. I fully support moving the work day an hour or two later because nobody should be expected to get up before the sun rises which is always the case for 9-5 jobs in the winter in the UK. Better yet, for jobs where it works, flexitime is even better - let me decide my work time depending on what suits my schedule, routine, body clock and psychology. There are studies which show that night owls are more likely to have all sorts of health issues earlier on in life as we are forced to meet the unreasonable morning lark dominated workday schedule, and as long as the work gets done does it even matter at what time?? I believe there would be a lot more happiness in a working life and productivity in the workplace if this was the case.

[@subzerosanijs]

Is the tap water map accurate? Latvian tap water is well tested and safe to drink, maybe not in countryside, but definitely in cities.

[@TwoWholeWorms]

Just proves that a stopped clock is right twice a day, innit.

[@paisleyplastic]

"but i come home and the sun is up" big!!! i allow the chances for people to die from slip ups just so i can see sun longer after work

[@tvhead7074]

I need vitamin D3 as it radically changed my life and I have the bloodwork to prove it. Most people are in need of vitamin D3 but, they just don’t realize it. D3 supplements do not compare to real sunlight exposure. If it’s dark after work then that’s a problem for me.

[@paisleyplastic]

@@tvhead7074 i bought a miata 2 years ago, I think im for sure getting enough d3

[@TheSkyrimps3]

I’m an American and I got a letter from my city telling me not to drink from the tap.

[@Xilophonen]

just because our frontal lobes are bigger and more developed than other monkeys it does not mean we should mess when we should sleep

[@CrustyShackleford]

Changing the time destroys my circadian rythem every time... We dont live in the 1700's anymore, everyone has artificial light now.

[@polyvg]

It takes me around three weeks to adjust when the hour changes - in either direction. The times when I want to eat, to sleep, even to get up, take that long to more or less stabilise in the new time regime. I hate those six weeks of the year. When the hour goes forward, we see ‘more daylight’, but within a very short time after that change, sunrise and sunset are so early/late, that there is no real advantage at typical start and end work times. When the hour falls back, it gives a brief respite, but in a few weeks, that has been largely overtaken by sunrise/sunset closing in. And, where I live, we are about 22 minutes behind Greenwich. Going by the clock - however it is set but assuming pan-UK consistency - we should get up later, but should also stay up later, in order to optimise daylight. That means, we more often have to get up in the dark. . Scrap all changes to the measuring system. Change our daily living patterns as needed.

[@TKDB13]

If daylight savings time worked by the governments saying, "for these months of the year, all schedules public and private, including but not limited to business hours, school hours, and personal appointments, must begin and end one hour earlier than the rest of the year," it would be roundly decried as grossly overbearing government overreach in most of the countries where it's practiced. But that's exactly what it is, they just trick us into it by the workaround of "just" being a matter of changing the clocks.

[@ibx2cat]

true!

[@AholeAtheist]

LOL Cool story bro. Seek education.