TYBW'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL SCENE? When Askin Humiliated Ichigo in TYBW | Bleach's Best Scenes

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MrTommo2304

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@MrTommo2304
@MrTommo2304 7 күн бұрын
Check out my thoughts on the newest Soulslike, The First Berserker: Khazan! - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmmZqp6uhpiWZrssi=mb6IuWLIkWoPt4RE What did you think of Askin's off-screen defeat of Ichigo? Did you like it, or did it hurt Ichigo's character so late into the story? Was it even necessary at all? Let me know your thoughts below - thanks everyone!
@kanoreese1253
@kanoreese1253 7 күн бұрын
@@MrTommo2304 I didn't find anything wrong with it. It just shows that hax can sometimes circumvent characters abilities. Wanna real hot take? Guenael Lee could take out most of the Bleach universe and nobody would even"remember"how it happened. 😏
@richard_n
@richard_n 7 күн бұрын
I liked it because it reinforced that Askin was worthy of being one of the strongest Quincies. This made his later battle actually have some weight.
@Eragon057
@Eragon057 7 күн бұрын
This might seem strange, but am I the only one that wasn’t actually surprised when this happened? It doesn’t happen an awful lot in Bleach, but power compatibility is very a thing in Bleach, and Ichigo is basically raw power and speed with no nuance. In MOST per systems, you shut down Fighter/Barbarian style opponents via strong debuffs. This was never any different to me.
@Saetanigera
@Saetanigera Күн бұрын
I think it's more of an issue that Ichigo's connection to the moon was never really explored. We had characters refer to his powers waxing and waning, instinctively reflecting their attacks back at them, him talking about how he can sense how a character feels, and the discussions about how some powerful shinigami can't really die. Then we get nothing of what makes Ichigo unique other than base power level.
@spiderdude2099
@spiderdude2099 7 күн бұрын
Kubo, when he creates a new favorite character: "Im gonna have this person disrespect Ichigo so fucking hard...."
@amateurgaming9313
@amateurgaming9313 7 күн бұрын
Kubo has such a talent with making characters that I instantly love. Askin is easily in my top 5 if not top 3 favorite characters.
@SinHurr
@SinHurr 7 күн бұрын
Glory to me, the 69th like
@TheMetastasia
@TheMetastasia 7 күн бұрын
Kubo when he creates another Scientist guy.
@RyanYoxo
@RyanYoxo 7 күн бұрын
Kubo copy and pastes Aizens design, “now this guy can take on Ichigo”
@danwarner7816
@danwarner7816 7 күн бұрын
Tbf any character looks less intimating in Bleach is utter weakest so like how kubo deceived readers into thinking askin 1 and done it character and that whole point 😅
@kodoqbesar4301
@kodoqbesar4301 7 күн бұрын
Not only Kubo off screened the main character, but also turning him into a rug. Ichigo was lucky that Askin was not standing on top of him wiping his legs
@Atticus-Catnipp
@Atticus-Catnipp 7 күн бұрын
That be cold. Instead he made a jojo reference
@KiyoneKotetsu
@KiyoneKotetsu 7 күн бұрын
Poor Ichigo, he was sliced through by a thousand petals, punched a hole through his chest like me, and now he is turned into a rug by Askin.
@vileluca
@vileluca 7 күн бұрын
Same way Kenpachi was immediately taken out by Pernida. With the Royal Guard, Kubo was trying to establish that bad match-ups exist.
@Rizingfz08
@Rizingfz08 5 күн бұрын
At least it wasn't a huge off screen because Ichigo got down easily while he was chasing Askin, literally the same thing that happend with Grimmjow.
@Oneandonlyone-x4m
@Oneandonlyone-x4m 4 күн бұрын
​​​​@@vileluca immediately after a losing streak right after getting his "true" power and is not even his last loss. This is just an unnecessary spit to the face
@kanoreese1253
@kanoreese1253 7 күн бұрын
I always took the scene of Ichigo's loss to Askin to mean that no matter how powerful a character is, hax has a way of circumventing that character’s power and there are such things as bad match ups.
@chitikas5363
@chitikas5363 7 күн бұрын
Thank you, like kenpachi vs pernida
@kanoreese1253
@kanoreese1253 7 күн бұрын
@chitikas5363 Exactly.
@jakublizon6375
@jakublizon6375 7 күн бұрын
100 percent. Ichigo uses his soul powers very directly. It's just an "ichigo's reishi" blast. ichigo also tends to go all out right away, so Askin is able to adapt extremely quickly.
@shiroufan5401
@shiroufan5401 7 күн бұрын
I think Ichigo with knowledge of Askins abilities would probably just kill him in one attack but Askin almost always had the advantage of people underestimating him or not just not understanding his abilities
@Rith9789
@Rith9789 7 күн бұрын
@@jakublizon6375 I don't think Ichigo goes all out right away haha. He's not as bad as Goku, but yeah, he's no Android 17.
@TheUnboundedJSouls
@TheUnboundedJSouls 7 күн бұрын
To be fair. Askin was about to defeat Oetsu if it wasn't for Tenjiro intervention. Tenjiro also get defeated by Askin once he is revived. That alone proves that Askin can take on any character in the series regardless if they're stronger than him or not for the most part.
@KurosakiKazui-z2u
@KurosakiKazui-z2u 7 күн бұрын
Yep even tenjiro gets whooped by askin after claiming he was a terrible match up to excuse why he was running away. After beating oetsu askin said people tends to underestimate him because of his demeanor and way of talking, I just take what askin said as 1 of the biggest reason why he keeps beating multiple enemies far superior to him in stats, they just keep understanding him Plus his shrift is very op and sneaky so very hard to fight against
@BruceCruce
@BruceCruce 6 күн бұрын
its worth mentioning that Askin still got rolled before, he had intel the second time and other variables played in. not to disregard it completely though, its still an insane feat.
@KurosakiKazui-z2u
@KurosakiKazui-z2u 4 күн бұрын
@BruceCruce yep the fact they had Intel was the biggest reason why they did so great against the gotei 13 but very poorly against royal guards in the beginning but learning their abilities they beat the royal guard, thats why Lilly barro didn't use his shift against oetsu at first it was to learn his abilities first before before using his shift. oetsu survived shunsui's first surprise attack from behind unlike when he got blitz by surprise against oetsu, because he had Intel on shunsui and how his shikai worked but had zero on the royal guard. Same thing as yhwach ranking aizen in the top 5 special war powers because of his reatsu levels when senjumaru's reiatsu was shown to be levels above aizen by shaking the 3 realms.... The likely reason is the quincy had no Intel on senjumaru. Or maybe its about reatsu (levels + controls) if that's the case than yes aizen should be above or equal to senjumaru in her bankai, she has more reatsu but less precise control then aizen
@officiallyjan8596
@officiallyjan8596 2 күн бұрын
@@KurosakiKazui-z2u The royal guards didn't shake the realms in the manga and frankly, it's one of the most dubious anime additions considering not even Yamamoto's bankai shook just the Soul Society alone, yet allegedly the Royal Guards each individually at full power would shake all 3 worlds. It really doesn't make any sense and just *oozes* "they needed to make up for how weak they looked in the manga but drastically overcompensated in the wrong direction."
@KurosakiKazui-z2u
@KurosakiKazui-z2u 2 күн бұрын
@officiallyjan8596 or maybe the royal guard shake the 3 realm after releasing their true powers because they are connected to the soul king who is Maintaining the 3 realm. So the activation of their powers actual affect the soul king who interns affect the 3 realms.
@christopherg2347
@christopherg2347 6 күн бұрын
Ichigo suffers from a indirect Wolverine/Worf effect, and being a relatively blunt tool. Kubo beat him down to establish Askin as a real danger (Worf effect). But since he had Orihime he could instantly recover from it, so no real harm done (Wolverine Effect). It isn't even that Ichigo is weak - it is that Askin has a tricky power that brute force cannot defeat. And Ichigo pretty much brute force. The height of his strategy was "destroy the Halo first to stop Reishi enslavement". His strategy starts and stops at "what do I cut first?" Ichigo knows he is not smart. He outright _said_ he isn't in the Fullbring Arc. "If Ukitake wanted to fool me, he could have made a lie I never would have seen through."
@Scrubtile
@Scrubtile 7 күн бұрын
I think something that doesn't get brought up enough is that Yhwach specifically sends certain Quincy to certain fights. I think he knew that Ichigo's group wouldn't just immediately one-shot Askin like Shunsui's group may have. He also knew that Lilie would probably get blitzed by Ichigo and sent him against a group where he had more cover against a group with more targets. He even kept Gerard close to him in case the others failed.
@truthspreader1996
@truthspreader1996 Күн бұрын
How in the world could Ichigo blitz Lilie?
@arielalvarado2842
@arielalvarado2842 5 күн бұрын
I saw a meme template of ichigo cutting askin off mid sentence and telling him “well no one’s “askin” you” then it cut to the notorious rug panel
@PKing90
@PKing90 3 күн бұрын
Lol
@TheTpro83
@TheTpro83 7 күн бұрын
While this is a shocking moment in Bleach, it does remind us of some things. Strong and Weak are not so clear in determining winners and fighting types/styles can matter more. Special abilities can add twisting elements that Reiatsu levels can't overcome (unless you're Aizen against Soifon). Main Characters are still subject to the rules of worldbuilding and if we lost Yamamoto, Unohana, and others, maybe we can lose others now too. It reminds Ichigo that he still has to be cautious. And lastly, I think it sets the stage for Yhwach's defeat. Someone viewed as "weaker" finds a way to overcome the power levels and beat someone stronger. Azkin is the hero of his own story and pulled an Ichigo... on Ichigo. It remains shocking because of our attachment to Ichigo, but it still works well as a scene. Reminds us of fundamental Bleach worldbuilding.
@paulcox2447
@paulcox2447 7 күн бұрын
IDK if it's fundamental. The whole "meta power" stuff basically started with the quincies. Szayel gave us a bit of it with his "crush your organs" power as well as Soi Fon, but still not at the level of the quincies Up until the invasion almost all the fights were sword based with spiritual pressure and sword skills being the keys to victory. It's only here at the end where everyone needs 5 minutes to explain their power and many of them have instant win conditions or just straight up negation to whatever they happen to dislike. The series's combat changes at the end for sure due to the nature of the quincies powers. Even a few of the soul reaper's bankai's are like that, Shunsui being a pretty obvious example. His bankai is "I tell a story and you die". That's a pretty big departure from say Byakuya or Gin, or basically any captain for the first 3/4 of the series. I mean think how stupid and weak most bankai's are in comparison. Ikkaku for example, is it even really a bankai in comparison?
@jubilantvision2212
@jubilantvision2212 7 күн бұрын
To me, this was the equivalent of Kenpachi getting beaten by Pernida.
@nooc-riggen-udnid-koops
@nooc-riggen-udnid-koops 7 күн бұрын
All the jocks were getting bodied this arc and having to be saved by the "wimpier" nerds lol (Mayuri saving Kenpachi, Kisuke doing more to Askin than Ichigo or Grimmjow could, Byakuya performing the finishing attack on the last form of evolved Gerard they could reasonably fight against, Aizen tricking Yhwach to give Ichigo an opening, Uryū standing against Haschwalth so Ichigo and the others could leave, etc.)
@KurosakiKazui-z2u
@KurosakiKazui-z2u 7 күн бұрын
Yeah thats an excellent exemple , not only zaraki didn't take pernida seriously but also kenpachi still hadn't fully recovered from his injuries from his previous battle with grimmy and the other sternritters which bearly survived thanks to ichigo intervention And as if it wasn't enough, he also didn't bother to remove his eyepatch lol, only used 1 hand to slash pernida and didn't even activate his shikai😂😂😂😂😂All of the factors needed for pernida to have a chance of beating kenpachi were assembled in 1 single instant which created this highly highly unlikely outcome of pernida wining and mayuri saving Kenny lol. In normal circumstances razaki 1 shots pernida just like oetsu. Thats 1 of the thing about bleach that I learned to appreciate with time, because 10 years ago I was pissed when I saw ichigo get off screened by askin and Kenny losing to freaking pernida.
@KurosakiKazui-z2u
@KurosakiKazui-z2u 7 күн бұрын
Oetsu also underestimated askin and lost he needed tenjiro to save his life with new blood after that
@tobiisagoodboy8510
@tobiisagoodboy8510 7 күн бұрын
Zaraki could go bankai and still get bodied by Pernida. Wouldn’t have made a difference.
@KurosakiKazui-z2u
@KurosakiKazui-z2u 7 күн бұрын
​@tobiisagoodboy8510 lol 🤦 pernida got 1 shot by base oetsu (no special ability was used just speed) and than pernida needed yhwach to resurrect her, showing us that you can 1 shot her if you are powerful enough ...... Kenpachi's shikai is so broken it can literally 1 shot the entire sereitei and make it disappear in an instant (sereitei is the size of a country like Turkey) pernida doesn't have 1 chance in hell...... Pernida is only a problem when you don't 1 shot her. If we had to do a list of the luckiest characters in ​bleach pernida would be very high on the list Forget about the Kenny shikai, all he needs to 1 shot pernida is 2 hands and removing his eyepatch to 1 shot pernida.
@ivanalcalde3849
@ivanalcalde3849 7 күн бұрын
A thing I like about Bleach is that, despite the fact that Ichigo is of the strongest shinigamis ever, there are a lot of characters who would easily defeat him because of their broken abilities. For example, Ichigo would probably lose if he fought against Zommari or Szayel Aporro. Ichigo is very good against opponents with straightfoward powers, but there are plenty of antagonist with powerful abilities that are only defeated because they were matched against the one guy who could counter them.
@doginababyseat5127
@doginababyseat5127 7 күн бұрын
I hate it when he consistently puts certain characters in match ups because it gets boring and predictable.
@cameraredeye3115
@cameraredeye3115 7 күн бұрын
​@@doginababyseat5127 Like with Ikkaku vs. Poww in the Karakura Invasion arc? Or Soi Fon vs. Barragan? I'd personally rate those as the top 2 worst Soul Reaper matchups in the series. Ikkaku's Bankai (which would've at least given him a chance) was broken when it crashed with Edrad, all the way back when Grimmjow brought five Arrancars to attack Karakura. So when it came time for him to defend one of the pillars swapping the real Karakura Town with a replica, he was ill equipped to do so, and predictably got squashed. There was exactly 0 chance for Ikkaku to win that one. As for Soi Fon, her Shikai requires her to fight Barragan up close. The problem? Barragan is completely surrounded by an aura that ages anything and anyone who gets close to him, dramatically reducing the speed and strength of their movements. This power is magnified tenfold after Barragan goes into his Resurrección, to the point that anything his aura touches ages to the point of death. To translate, physical combat against a Barragan in Resurrección is completely impossible -- which is the WORST news for Soi Fon. Even ranged projectile attacks like her Bankai proved ineffective without help, since Barragan could just age her Bankai to detonate prematurely and thus avoid a direct hit.
@doginababyseat5127
@doginababyseat5127 7 күн бұрын
@@cameraredeye3115 I wouldn’t go so far as to say Poww was a bad match up for Ikkaku. I’m not even entirely sure the concept of bankai being permanently weakened if damage was even a thing back then. If it was, Renji wouldn’t even have a bankai to spam after Byakua basically shattered his into pieces when they fought in SS arc. The issue with the Ikkaku vs Poww fight was that Ikkaku refused to use his banaki at all because he doesn’t want the rest of the Gotei knowing he has one. Similar to Yumichika refusing to use his true shikai until charlotte blocked everyone’s sight into their battle. He held himself back and got beaten because of it. The broken bankai thing just feels like a retcon so Kubo can give Ichigo and Renji new bankai. As for Soi Fon vs Barragan, you are right. All her skills, all her zanpaktou abilities, and even kido were completely useless. And he could survive with half his head and body blown to dust. It was a terrible match up that did her no favors and it sucks how so many people hold that fight against her. Only Hachi and his space manipulation kido could beat Barragan. Then he puts her against an armored robot that can’t be pierced by her shikai, is naturally tough enough to tank her Shunko punches, and is able to survive with half its head and chest blown open. It’s the same dang fight against the same kind of opponent. Even the fact that they get killed by other people is the same.
@cameraredeye3115
@cameraredeye3115 7 күн бұрын
​@@doginababyseat5127 I would definitely consider Ikkaku vs. Poww a bad matchup for the former. Keep in mind that Ikkaku's Bankai broke when it crashed with an Edrad in Resurrección. Poww is much bigger AND stronger than Edrad, so even if Ikkaku swallowed his pride and used his Bankai, I highly doubt it would matter in the end. At best, Poww would be forced into his Resurrección after tanking said Bankai. Keep in mind that it took Cpt. Komamura going Bankai to put the dude down, and Poww was just a Fracción. Dude was a lot stronger than most people tend to think.
@doginababyseat5127
@doginababyseat5127 7 күн бұрын
@ I still don’t see it. I mentioned that I believed the broken bankai thing was a Retcon and didn’t come into play until TYBW. So I don’t count that. Then there is the fact that both Poww and Ikkaku are just brawlers. I don’t believe Komamura even needed his bankai to beat him, but it was an opportunity for Kubo to draw two giants fighting even if it was one sided and short. Sajin’s shikai would have been enough but probably wouldn’t have been as memorable. Poww doesn’t have any special abilities that take anything away from Ikkaku or counters him in any way. Poww was just physically stronger is all. I consider a bad match up being a fight where an opponent has an ability or skill that counters or takes away their opponent’s skill/powers. Byakuya vs Zommari for example was a bad match up for Zommari. He has the ability to control whatever he lays his eyes on and his resurrection gives him 100 eyes to control 100 things. He fights Byakuya whose shikai is a swarm of thousands of tiny blades he can control and his bankai gives him even more blades. It completely makes Zommari power useless eliminating his main weapon and leaving him a sitting duck. That’s what I mean by bad match up. Ikkaku and Poww was just two brawlers going at it with no hax and Ikkaku embarrassingly lost because he stupidly holds himself back.
@manuelacosta9463
@manuelacosta9463 7 күн бұрын
Askin is a powerhouse. Took down Ichigo and then put two of the strongest and resourceful ex Shinigami near death, one apparently with scars and sight damage. His genuine curiosity at wanting to see the world Yhwach brings about adds to it.
@DrunkenSoulReaper
@DrunkenSoulReaper 7 күн бұрын
Also beat oetsu and tanjiro in 1v1
@manuelacosta9463
@manuelacosta9463 7 күн бұрын
@DrunkenSoulReaper Yup. The fact that he put them all to shame in battle is meaningful given the power and skills he was facing. With Kisuke it's near impossible given he has contingencies for contingencies for his deep plans.
@Potential94
@Potential94 7 күн бұрын
He also incapacitated my boy Grimmjow too 😭 I had heard Kubo wanted Nel to fight him as well but couldn’t because everything was being rushed. That means Askin would’ve fought, Grimmjow, Ichigo, Nel, Yourichi and her brother, and Kisuke. Askin was an absolute BEAST
@vb2806
@vb2806 6 күн бұрын
When he got defeated he also genuinely wished that Urahara and others make it out of his Gift Bereich
@WillThomas-qb8bf
@WillThomas-qb8bf 7 күн бұрын
I love that Askin of all people off-screened Ichigo. You have him running away at the drop of a hat , yet he just humiliated the protagonist. Just proves why's he is my favourite member of the Royal Guard.
@haku1384
@haku1384 7 күн бұрын
yeah of all the royal guards, people probably thought askin was the least likely to take down ichigo because he comes off as kind of wimpy and not powerful
@carlasmith741
@carlasmith741 7 күн бұрын
@@haku1384thinking that is a FATAL MISTAKE!
@vb2806
@vb2806 6 күн бұрын
​@@haku1384I love his character, he is so stealthy and makes everyone believe he is losing or running away and then bam he has something up his sleeve
@Jester2415
@Jester2415 7 күн бұрын
Ichigo gets beaten up by a giant talking plushie Pig. Bleach fans: ZzZZZZZZzzzZZZ Ichigo gets poisoned by an elite Quincy royal guard member enhanced by a literal demi-god. Bleach fans: THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!!
@maharat5731
@maharat5731 7 күн бұрын
context matters, ichigo was literally powerless in that moment against riruka’s dolls 🤦‍♂️
@GammaRingHunter
@GammaRingHunter 6 күн бұрын
Reeeeetard alert
@stonalisa3729
@stonalisa3729 6 күн бұрын
@@maharat5731 he's also up against one of the most hax shrifts
@Oneandonlyone-x4m
@Oneandonlyone-x4m 4 күн бұрын
Anime fans really can't read. And bro's acting like Ichigo isn't something of a demigod himself
@Saetanigera
@Saetanigera Күн бұрын
pretending a lot of Bleach fans found that whole arc so miserable they were numb by that point
@derekrichardson7853
@derekrichardson7853 7 күн бұрын
I think Kubo had Askin beat Ichigo to show that Askin deserved to be promoted to the Schutzstaffel, and that he’s not like the other sternritter who were left down below.
@TheMetastasia
@TheMetastasia 7 күн бұрын
I mean he defeated Grimmjow, Youruichi, her brother, forced Kisuke into Bankai and still almost won. Ichigo was the icing on the on cake.
@nyhtfall1969
@nyhtfall1969 6 күн бұрын
@@TheMetastasia or the strawberry on the cake
@JoseSerrato0420
@JoseSerrato0420 17 сағат бұрын
​@@TheMetastasia the only one to beat Askin was the guy that beat Aizen, and even then Kisuke did it indirectly.
@JackWitt-g9p
@JackWitt-g9p 7 күн бұрын
It was needed to establish how dangerous Askin is. It emphasizes why such a large effort is needed later to beat him.
@Kaluriel
@Kaluriel 7 күн бұрын
i'm hoping that for the broken bankai scene in the anime that it shows ichigo releasing his bankai, fighting yhwach and ultimately defeating him. then it cuts to back to yhwach's face growing that malevolent grin, it didn't happen, he was looking the future with the almighty, and now he has changed it so ichigo's bankai is broken. thus we get to see the bankai used and it remains canon that it gets broken without being used
@austindill8127
@austindill8127 7 күн бұрын
My soul needs to see the bankai in action
@crosis2
@crosis2 7 күн бұрын
That episode should end with Ichigos bankai broken and the scene should play out just like in the manga. It is a perfect cliffhanger and shock effect for the consumer. But the following episode could just start with the vision of the almighty. I wouldn't like it though as we get the chance to see the bankai in the final battle too. That battle needs so much redoing/fledging out and it's more fitting to show the bankai in real action instead of some kind of flashback which is inconsequental
@shwaig1
@shwaig1 7 күн бұрын
Tbf Ichigo basically loses to 90% of the stronger opponents that his peers have managed to squeak out victories from. The reason is.. He just doesn't have much hax aside from being the protagonist (which is powerful to be sure) and therefore can't deal with many of the stronger enemies hax and abilities. Which is why it makes perfect sense to me that Ichigo ran into a bad matchup here against Askin and got poisoned.
@HitPeace
@HitPeace 7 күн бұрын
This really is one of those styles makes fights scenarios. Like if Ichigo didn't run into captain and vice captain who all relied on speed, strength and swordplay he would've died a long time ago. Imagine him trying to beat tousen's bankai.. he's dead.. quickly.. but him vs kamamura would be easy. Any tricky type was dealt with by someone else. Number 8 espada, miyuri, tsukishina, perneda
@GrandStyles
@GrandStyles 7 күн бұрын
Honestly I feel like you’re overanalyzing it and Kubo just thought it would be a funny gag 😂
@JohnCliver
@JohnCliver 7 күн бұрын
So glad you made this video. I was recently looking for an informed discussion about Askin and Ichigo instead of random opinions.
@thegosthofvilgax
@thegosthofvilgax 7 күн бұрын
I stand by the assertion that Ichigo would have a hard to impossible time actually defeating any of the Schutzstaffel in a straight head on fight
@shiroufan5401
@shiroufan5401 7 күн бұрын
Other than Gerard I think if he already knows about their abilities he can beat them.
@thegosthofvilgax
@thegosthofvilgax 7 күн бұрын
@shiroufan5401 Idk cause other than Askin. How would he be able to beat Lille? He has no counter to the X-Axis and literally, the only thing that beat Lille was himself. How would he beat Pernida? Ichigo is a mostly close range in your face fighter and getting close like with Kenpachi did would be a bad move, plus sure he could destroy pernida over and over, but again he can't stop the evolution powers of the Compulsory and in a way similar to Lillie the only thing that beat him was kinda himself
@shiroufan5401
@shiroufan5401 7 күн бұрын
@ Pernida would definitely get beaten if Ichigo just stayed at a distance I don’t think Pernida is regenerating from a bankai getsuga. And for Lillie I think that comes down to whether or not Ichigo could speed blitz him before he transforms since he would eventually lose if Lillie did transform cause of the intangibility.
@thegosthofvilgax
@thegosthofvilgax 7 күн бұрын
@shiroufan5401 Pernida's who thing is is ability to constantly regenerate and evolve. Unless it's 100% reduced to atoms on the on the first strike, which I dont think is happening he's gonna regen from it
@HOLDENPOPE
@HOLDENPOPE 7 күн бұрын
@@shiroufan5401 Ironically, Ichigo might be one of the only characters in Bleach who CAN beat Gerard. He's a Soul King Candidate. One powerful slash and that cross is probably history.
@theleechqueen
@theleechqueen 7 күн бұрын
I love how faithful the scene in the anime is to the manga. You know the animators are true Bleach fans who realize the importance of iconic scenes such as this one 😄
@CaptainKotetsu
@CaptainKotetsu 7 күн бұрын
Askin was never one of my favorite Quincies, but he’s definitely an interesting character, as well as way more dangerous than his outward personality would suggest.
@paulcox2447
@paulcox2447 7 күн бұрын
yeah it's the lazy genius trope. Shunsui has it as a soul reaper, Starrk had it as an espada and Askin is the quincies version.
@gammafrost
@gammafrost 6 күн бұрын
⁠​⁠@@paulcox2447who do you think fits that character for the fullbringers ?
@vb2806
@vb2806 6 күн бұрын
​@@paulcox2447he isn't lazy though. He quite literally pretends to be scared so the enemies underestimate him. This is not like Starrk who didn't have motivation
@GrahamDayFortressofGeek
@GrahamDayFortressofGeek 7 күн бұрын
I loved this moment for the exact reason Tommo pointed out. When it was revealed all those years ago in the manga, I freaked out because it felt like Kubo was showcasing raw strength won't always win the day. And Askin versus, well, every opponent he defeats showcases that. I just wish it had been explored more. A simple conversation between two characters could have explained it.
@JordonBrooks-ls7fy
@JordonBrooks-ls7fy 6 күн бұрын
Hearing you say he turned ichigo into a rug is hilarious, genuinely never heard that before. You don't even mean it as a insult 😂😂😂
@Sk0p3r
@Sk0p3r 7 күн бұрын
Askin is just HIM. Period. Only soldier in Yhwachs army to be promoted from ordinary Sternritter to Schutzstaffel. Yhwach must've seen the potential and the fights he'll have with the Almighty
@MindoftheNorthStar
@MindoftheNorthStar 7 күн бұрын
Bro... for some reason I didn't get why people was feeling Askin when I read the manga. I was trippin'. Everytime he's on my screen in the anime I'm thinking "wait... is he the GOAT?"
@justgamingbro1305
@justgamingbro1305 7 күн бұрын
Him and first Son
@paulcox2447
@paulcox2447 7 күн бұрын
​@@MindoftheNorthStar he's just another lazy genius character which is a massively overplayed trope in anime. He doesn't even really fight in the traditional sense. The goat? really? because he can say, well now you're allergic to your own blood and are going to die because I said so? Oh sorry, now it's the air, you can't breathe. Oops, your own sweat is now like acid. It's ridiculous.
@The_Cholosseum
@The_Cholosseum 7 күн бұрын
​@@paulcox2447his style of a villain isn't overly used, in fact in most anime its not fully written as it should be. That's why the logic behind those other characters get classified as a cliche trope. Where here, Askin is literally only doing this because he is curious how things will turn out.
@crosis2
@crosis2 7 күн бұрын
Almighty has nothing to do as Yhwach did not use it before the fight against Ichibei. And also not reasonable that he saw whatever over a thousand years ago before it was sealed with Pernida at this moment as he was not prepared that it got sealed(he cannot see the futures of parts of the soulking) so he could not change the future for all those years to this outcome. Also the reason why he ended up to lose against Gotei13 at that time
@ShadowbannedAccount
@ShadowbannedAccount 7 күн бұрын
That's how it works in the Bleach universe. Direct Fighters lose against Hax, Hax loses against Mayuri, Mayuri loses against Direct Fighters.
@SinHurr
@SinHurr 7 күн бұрын
OH MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT
@ninjaman0003
@ninjaman0003 6 күн бұрын
i think askin beating ichigo is actually rather likely. as askin said, he doesn't fight, he kills. ichigo is a person that fights to understand another person. ichigo would 100% holdback until it was too late against askin.
@3slicessenpai
@3slicessenpai 7 күн бұрын
I do like that this kept Ichigo grounded. The Bleach formula is easy to sum up with "Troubling opposing force > new power up > period of badass > power crept into the mud by the next opposing force". By having Ichigo not be invincible even with his new Shikai shows that both the Royal Guard villains aren't just ripe to be slapped away by one new power up, but also that even the more powerful character can get blindsided by mysterious abilities.
@01SHADOW
@01SHADOW 6 күн бұрын
Yeah that's one of the reasons that Askin avoided Mayrui he knew it would have been a bad matchup lol😂
@Proaz15
@Proaz15 3 күн бұрын
This is just another day in Kubo's troll academy.
@MrGksarathy
@MrGksarathy 6 күн бұрын
I don't think it's so difficult to understand this outcome. Ichigo is powerful, but has no defense against hax. Hence, Askin turned him into a rug.
@grand_howler
@grand_howler 6 күн бұрын
I can’t remember if it really does happen every time, but off the top of my head, i love that Ichigo is always still gripping his sword when we see him lying on the ground (in this case even while unconscious).
@pd0di
@pd0di 6 күн бұрын
Askin often gets underestimated. Just look in the manga how many mad strong people it actually took to end it
@TheRazor124
@TheRazor124 7 күн бұрын
It's important to remember that one of Ichigo's most defining characteristics is that he is always reluctant to actually kill his foe, and therefore he always holds back when he is fighting. If Azken started the fight without holding back at all, it would be easy to understand how ichigo could be taken out so easily. This loss might explain why he stops holding back after this and actually starts displaying his real power.
@normalizabortion6954
@normalizabortion6954 7 күн бұрын
I thought the anime pretty clearly implies that the way Askin defeats Ichigo is by adjusting the type of reishi used to poison him
@normalizabortion6954
@normalizabortion6954 7 күн бұрын
We know those trained in the Royal Palace were exposed to and even ingested a different, more dense type of reishi during their training and Askin asking about this before defeating Ichigo seems pretty clear cut
@dec2567
@dec2567 6 күн бұрын
​@@normalizabortion6954yeah it's very clear it's just some fans can't accept that.😂
@dec2567
@dec2567 6 күн бұрын
He did the same with azien. In bleach just because you're more powerful doesn't mean you can't get caught slipping and sometimes match-ups play a factor and i like that.
@blazingdance3612
@blazingdance3612 7 күн бұрын
And people called Kisuke weak because he wasn't the one who killed Askin, even though he did most of the fighting. If anything, Ichigo's defeat shows how incredible Kisuke is for fighting that well against the guy who off screened the main character.
@thewarrior8497
@thewarrior8497 7 күн бұрын
Yeah Kisuke is definitely not weak. Bro is a special war potential for a reason. Aizen even admits that Kisuke could have killed him with that wrist technique if he hadn’t fused with the Hokyoku
@nooc-riggen-udnid-koops
@nooc-riggen-udnid-koops 7 күн бұрын
Imagine beating down the stronger version of the guy who off screened the protagonist and people still think you're weak lol.
@sakonan4883
@sakonan4883 7 күн бұрын
Kisuke is only weak in terms of physical strength, and relatively. Compared to Kenpachi, he’s like 2 x weaker. His major strength is his resourcefulness. I’d say he’s at least stronger than Kurotsuchi, though, lol.
@prophetofbara1214
@prophetofbara1214 7 күн бұрын
Ehh Kisuke isn't weak at all but he definitely doesn't come close to Askin, the fact that Askin fought so many powerful people prior and soundly defeated them before a healthy Kisuke even shows up is supposed yo make you realize even the most recent member of the Elite Guards are just on another level.
@Ekvihanj
@Ekvihanj 7 күн бұрын
Not to mention, Kisuke was fighting within the heavily poisoned gift bereich while his poison was stronger under vollstandig. Kisuke's an absolute tank, make no mistake
@ryukami404
@ryukami404 7 күн бұрын
Ichigo took his fair share of losses throughout the series but his loss to Askin really does stand out because it was both off-screened and that Ichigo never really got his win back like he did against other characters he lost against.
@LUKA_911
@LUKA_911 7 күн бұрын
Kubo rubbing his hands together like a little goblin creature is such a hilarious mental image
@jf922
@jf922 7 күн бұрын
Each time Mr. Tommo uploads the day just gets better!! Thank you for the great discussions!
@nerdcorner2680
@nerdcorner2680 3 күн бұрын
I think this scene is very needed and pretty simple. Ichigo just got a new bankai, handled like 8 quincy at once pretty easily, why can’t he just boss rush all the ones left akin to kingdom hearts 2? And this is the answer, this is why all the other characters coming up to the soul palace are needed, this is why Ichigo has friends to help him. He can’t handle every single problem all at once. And he’s defeated in a way that shows pretty clearly Askin isn’t stronger than Ichigo, he just has a weird power. So it doesn’t take away anything from Ichigo. Askin could do the same exact thing to Yamamoto, Kenpatchi, etc if they just ran straight at him without a care
@megalictis9002
@megalictis9002 7 күн бұрын
Someone needs to start selling that "Ichigo Flat on His Face" rug!
@Coreyy12
@Coreyy12 7 күн бұрын
Ichigo KuRUGsaki
@strykerman7888
@strykerman7888 17 сағат бұрын
Imagine if Goku showed up on Namek and loses off screen to Burter and everyone acts like it didn't happen.😂
@thewarrior8497
@thewarrior8497 7 күн бұрын
Lets gooo. We love when u upload
@JanizMakudomaru
@JanizMakudomaru 7 күн бұрын
They would call me a rug muncher if I got to Ichigo in this state.
@Colston3
@Colston3 7 күн бұрын
The most depressing part of this scene is the fact Ichigo is unable to protect Orihime and Chad from Askin, that would of really affected him based on his character and goals
@XadePsyconic
@XadePsyconic 7 күн бұрын
The fact that Ichigo got a major power boost shortly before this and then we see him get presumably trounced by Askin offscreen is really funny to me. Almost as funny as the possibility that Chad got beat by the statues guarding the Wahrwelt.
@shiroufan5401
@shiroufan5401 7 күн бұрын
Its even funnier with the anime cause at that point we know that shikai Ichigo was quite a bit stronger than Yhwach without using the allmighty.
@The_Cholosseum
@The_Cholosseum 7 күн бұрын
Yall easily overlooked what reishi poisoning is. It affects ppl like Aizen and Ichigo on a higher scale than others due to the amount of spiritual pressure they possess. It has nothing to do with downplaying his recent power boost. Wahrwelt allows this ability to scale higher than when he used the death dealing on Oh Etsu prior.
@JanizMakudomaru
@JanizMakudomaru 7 күн бұрын
Nah man, I can't see Chad losing.
@flameheadshero
@flameheadshero 7 күн бұрын
Ichigo’s power boost is so funny in that we hardly get to see it. He either loses or gets distracted and leaves the few fights he gets all the way up until the final confrontation where the infamous bankai break happens. I definitely remember people feeling like he wasn’t even feeling like the MC at this point back in the day.
@lolsnez7542
@lolsnez7542 5 күн бұрын
​@@flameheadsherofalse
@genius3121
@genius3121 3 күн бұрын
Im glad you made a video about this
@Papriqa
@Papriqa 7 күн бұрын
The way I see it, if NaNaNa could incapacitate Aizen with hax, so could Askkin do so for Ichigo. Ultimately both Sternritter are outclassed, but it makes sense that Yhwach should have his own versions of Urahara/Mayuri who can box with people stronger than them due to their toolset.
@curtisdunn1854
@curtisdunn1854 7 күн бұрын
That moment also bothers me. SK yhwach, ichigo, and aizen should be untouchable
6 күн бұрын
I think it shouldn't be controversial. Ichigo is pure strength with some ranged techniques, Askin is a tricky one with The Death Dealing. Hax abilities are usually like that. Just look at Pernida vs Kenpachi. Same deal.
@danielmason4014
@danielmason4014 7 күн бұрын
It’s all about matchups and Ichigo’s own personality. The strength of his reiatsu is in the top 3, and in terms of physical offensive power he’s top 1. In a straightforward fight he has no business losing to anyone as long as he gets serious. The problem is that Ichigo has no real counter to hax and he rarely goes for the kill
@thioyapnio7668
@thioyapnio7668 7 күн бұрын
Kubo hyping the villain by beating the Protagonist similar to how Byakuya, Gin, Zaraki, Aizen, Grimmjow and Ulquiorra in previous season effortlessly beat our hero and Askin did the same thing
@Oneandonlyone-x4m
@Oneandonlyone-x4m 4 күн бұрын
None of them has such a disgrace it gives Ichigo, at least the others had a point but this one is just a pointless spit to the face
@thioyapnio7668
@thioyapnio7668 2 күн бұрын
@Oneandonlyone-x4m well Askin is the true definition of "weak but skilled" he was the weakest of schutzstaffel as he was neither a god-like powerhouse like Gerard nor he was a divine limb of a God like Pernida nor he was original quincy like Lille and he wasn't a prodigy like Haschwalth or Uryuu. Askin was a NORMAL Quincy that got a really useful/broken schriff that got buffed by the Auswallen that also him to fight against a enemy that normally one-shot him like Grimmjow, Ichigo, Yoruichi, Yuushirou and Urahara. In fact he was defeated by deception not by raw power (get backstabbed by Grimmjow)
@Oneandonlyone-x4m
@Oneandonlyone-x4m Күн бұрын
@thioyapnio7668 no matter how you spin it it was just for cheap shock value and nothing else cause we already know that's how Askin is in his fights with squad 0 and Grimmjow. Kubo really hyped Ichigo up just to treat him this way. I don't have problem with him losing, I even got spoiled he'll lose but my reaction was just "oh well", I never imagined it would be in such a disgraceful manner where the main character literally gets off screened and treated like fodder and the fact that it's immediately forgotten by everyone shows just how unnecessary it is. Now you want me to be hyped when the bum is flexing his reiatsu in front of Yhwach? Bullshit.
@thioyapnio7668
@thioyapnio7668 9 сағат бұрын
@Oneandonlyone-x4m you're not Kubo, so there.
@Oneandonlyone-x4m
@Oneandonlyone-x4m 5 сағат бұрын
@@thioyapnio7668 see how pathetic you are? I'm not Kubo doesn't even disprove anything I said but since you can't read, you can't even come up with a good argument to support your stance. It wouldn't have even been bad if me not being Kubo disproved something I said lol
@enochpink7849
@enochpink7849 7 күн бұрын
This level of bad writing in such an important moment and arc is common throughout. Bleach does great at certain areas but kubo is just not the most elite story teller. Build and backstory, he does well. Payoff and emotional investment often falls short. Even if you wanted to say he’s subverting expectations, the fact that he doesn’t even show what happens screams laziness
@rmeddy
@rmeddy 7 күн бұрын
Yeah Rugchigo was an instant classic
@permeus2nd
@permeus2nd 6 күн бұрын
Ichigo may be extremely strong but one thing you can’t call him is a smart fighter, he is a Melee fighter with only one ranged attack and he has absolutely no counter to Askin (I don’t know how to spell his name) bleach is very much a case of rock paper scissors with a few nuclear bombs floating around the setting, Askin’s powers are less straightforward they count on your opponent not knowing how to they have already been hit by it and not knowing how to counter it. I think that the only real counters to askin are soul reapers like Yamamoto after activating his Banki as no hit can then touch him, Byakuya as he can do massive damage at range and use his powers to block any fluid sent towards him with a cyclonic barrier basically you can’t be a straight up melee fighter you need to be careful in battle to avoid puddles of poison and to spot there there in the first place or be completely untouchable like Yamamoto.
@Boxocentipedes
@Boxocentipedes 7 күн бұрын
I could get behind the absurd idea of Askins power boiling down to him just being really good at upholstery/sewing, especially since hes more or less a normal dude outside of the Deathdealing. Snaps his fingers, turns Ichigo into a finely hewn rug. He could put Senjumaru to shame
@blueblade6174
@blueblade6174 7 күн бұрын
Tbf we experienced the very same scenario with Kenpachi vs Pernida.
@saketmeena9581
@saketmeena9581 7 сағат бұрын
To be honest, I still can't imagine that same Ichigo who trained in Dangai for 'Final GetsugaTensho' in same situation as he ended up against Askin.
@iReiGNxx
@iReiGNxx 7 күн бұрын
At this point I feel like a broken record, but the anime definitely improved this scene. Giving us more chances to see what Ichigo can do beforehand made his off-screen defeat easier to swallow.
@NoxVarg
@NoxVarg 4 күн бұрын
It's always important to remember Askins ability isn't so straight forward being caught off guard not understanding his ability many would fall to it regardless of how strong you are.
@strykervalkyrion
@strykervalkyrion 4 күн бұрын
Ichigo probably got caffeine poisoning or lactose intolerance since askin was drinking a cafe au lait beforehand
@Atticus-Catnipp
@Atticus-Catnipp 7 күн бұрын
The reason why so many people fell victim to Askin is because they underestimated him. Blindly charging at him making matters only easier for the death dealer. Making even a Jojo reference out of it. For me the friends flashback left a lot to be desired. Which is why Askin maybe our link to some refined Quincy lore. He knew about the specialty of Pernida, Gerard and Irazu Sando. Also just hooked up with Yhwach because of curiosity.
@raphaelceni
@raphaelceni 7 күн бұрын
All Elite Quincies are stronger than any other character, except zero division maybe. Yw, Jugran and the 4 elite Quincy fight alone and are defeated only by groups of at least 2 characters. Ichigo alone isn't enough, Shunsui alone isnt enough. Uryu alone isn't enough. So, even Askin x Ichigo on 1v1 goes to askin. Probably any elite quincy would win against Ichigo in a 1v1 battle. I think thats the message. Yhwach fights Ichigo + Aizen and thats not enough. It also needs Uryu.
@shiroufan5401
@shiroufan5401 7 күн бұрын
I wouldn’t say they’re all stronger it just that during the war they had the element of surprise with their abilities like Ichigo with knowledge of Askin or Pernidas abilities would just immediately hit them with his strongest getsuga from a range. Gerard is probably the only one he can’t beat unless his bankai gets a new ability in the anime.
@raphaelceni
@raphaelceni 7 күн бұрын
@shiroufan5401 I get it, but although not explicit, he died from the element of surprise. Hi didn't use his blutt in Grimmjow's attack. I think his blutt along with his ability would resist Ichigo's Get suga, and than I became hard for Ichigo. Perdida also can make copies and learn. I don't know if one attack would do. But to be fair, let's pretend they both have info and are facing each other. It's hard to predict, but it's no easy win, because they all are almost impossible to kill.
@Atomsk2
@Atomsk2 7 күн бұрын
Askin is supposed to fight Kisuke. Kisuke is a character we’ve only seen in action against Aizen and if Askin is just a grunt unable to press Ichigo in anyway whatsoever then who cares about him fighting Kisuke, any fighting they do will be Kisuke playing with his food. Showing Askin beating Ichigo who isn’t matched for him and probably went in thinking that would be easy enough hypes Askin, hypes Urahara, and teaches Ichigo that even though you’ve got this new power don’t let it get to your head, the fights are still hard. I won’t say it humbles him, but I say it throttles his thoughts on his new power. Look at Ichigo bs Aizen, when he got a huge power up he does tend to take his fights way more casually. He does this every time he gets stronger the next fight after a power up is always him not taking the fight seriously
@seanread5556
@seanread5556 7 күн бұрын
I think my biggest problem with this scene is that it comes out of nowhere and happens offscreen. It's a total.......rugpull. 🙃
@raphaelceni
@raphaelceni 7 күн бұрын
This video got me thinking a lot. Imagine two football teams. Both have incredible players, top clubs in the world. But imagine if one have information on the other team and the other don't. That's another aspect of this war. Shinigami are always behind in terms of information, so Ichigo could win if he goes all out and fire a getsuga jugisho but thats not how he does things. But I'm not sure that would work on all elite atern Ritter
@Evan_Floyd
@Evan_Floyd 7 күн бұрын
I don't feel any kind of way about it because it's Askin. He's awesome
@robensonbadette6102
@robensonbadette6102 7 күн бұрын
Kubo is not afraid to do things like that because that was a bad matchup, same thing as Kenpachi rushing to Pernida after being healed and have a powerup
@MasterXSplinter
@MasterXSplinter 7 күн бұрын
i feel that bleach should have more moments similar to this one, where is not all about power levels but also about good and bad match ups and how they go around beating an enemy that has a power suit it to beat them
@LeoLikesLamb
@LeoLikesLamb 7 күн бұрын
I hope askin somehow comes back in the hell arc he may not have been purified by a zanpakuto but since hes a man among gods perhaps his sins are grave enough to warrant punishment
@WorkNot-A-Bot
@WorkNot-A-Bot 5 күн бұрын
Honestly, at that point in the story I had written off Askin as the weakest of Yhwach chosen soldiers and this quickly made me reconsider it.
@ZrCorelx
@ZrCorelx 7 күн бұрын
I need someone to make an Ichigo rug now, thing would sell like hot cakes!!!
@joenandez5880
@joenandez5880 5 күн бұрын
Theres a nice idea behind ichigo losing to someone weaker then him because it's similar to the situation between ichigo and ywach in that both of them used cunning and a flaw in a characters abilities to win their fight against a stronger foe. Ichigo was never shown to have any resistance to poisons or the less physical abilities of enemies he's fought. So his loss made sense it's a simple rock paper scissors scenario. As for why its didn't work at first, it could be cause ichigo has some resistance to the original poison cause he is part quincy and hes using varvelts reishi which the quincys are used to/resistantto, so he had to increase it's potency to get it to get over that resistance.
@samoanjoseph1457
@samoanjoseph1457 3 күн бұрын
And this is why I say Chad was INSANE to dismiss the Royal guards, despite seeing them only once, and not even defeating one then.
@wymg4480
@wymg4480 7 күн бұрын
Even Aizen didnt have this level of wipe out....my man Askin turned the MC into a rug.
@ArrancarfighterOfficial
@ArrancarfighterOfficial 7 күн бұрын
Me to my wife when watching the episode for the first time: “Are you ready to see Ichigo look flat as a character pancake??” The animators really fixed that scene tho
@PhongNguyen-iy6te
@PhongNguyen-iy6te 7 күн бұрын
Wasnt it stated that if your riatsu is much higher in this case ichigo he shoukd have been able to overcome the poison?
@matthewrumbold1951
@matthewrumbold1951 7 күн бұрын
True, this has got me scratching my head. Ichigo should’ve had a simple enough fight due to this 😂
@kanoreese1253
@kanoreese1253 7 күн бұрын
@@PhongNguyen-iy6te Askin is poisoning the very reishi Ichigo's body produces. So for him to drop Ichigo isn't out of the realm impossibility.
@prophetofbara1214
@prophetofbara1214 7 күн бұрын
Askin said in the anime that Ichigo was resisting his initial Reishi poisoning and he had to adjust it accordingly to take him down, where with characters like Chad Orihime and Grimmjow he just instantly poisoned them, so it's obvious Askin can increase the dosage of his poisons if his opponent is resistant
@bastianadit5523
@bastianadit5523 3 күн бұрын
@@PhongNguyen-iy6te in this case if your source of power which is reishi or in Naruto verse is chakra become a posion for your body then your own power is killing you. And we know that Ichigo posses an incredible amount of reaitsu/reishi so that even more painful for Ichigo
@SquidlyFishBeans
@SquidlyFishBeans 7 күн бұрын
The fact Kubo actively decided to keep it in the anime is a spit in the face of fans. There no other way to spin it even if you reached to the moon. The scene only offers negatives. I actually cant believe you like the scene. Everything you illustrated could of been conveyed utalizing another top tier character. Infact Kubo akready ilistrated this much better with pernida and zaraki...
@300mare
@300mare 2 күн бұрын
Why though? To me, this fight was: "Ichigo runs into gift bad and gets haxed instantly the same way everyone else did" You can also see that Ichigo is using only quincy zangetsu, while hollow is sheeted. He very likely ultra underestimated Askin. If he knew Askin's powers, the fight would be identical to Oetsu killing Askin the first time, except Askin would be split in half or incinerated completely.
@Funky_Item
@Funky_Item 7 күн бұрын
Lmao i didnt think of it like that but yeah seriously. If I saw that the guy we were all PRAYING would stop the world ending monster was just out cold on the floor at some random dude's feet i'd be hyperventilating, crying my eyes out. Yoruichi took it really well lol
@oyinwaritimi1820
@oyinwaritimi1820 7 күн бұрын
I'd start praying
@vb2806
@vb2806 6 күн бұрын
I am not surprised. Ichigo would have absolutely merked someone who would show their raw power or just fought straight up but Askin's entire ammo is seeming non threatening, cowardly and then using his ability to subtly take down his enemies. He lasted so long because of this trait
@flameheadshero
@flameheadshero 7 күн бұрын
It was always odd that Ichigo was granted this long and dramatic power up only to not have a clean win in a fight for the rest of the arc until the absolute final battle
@nickolaibernar16
@nickolaibernar16 2 күн бұрын
It's crazy to think Ichigo would somehow be immune or able to overcome an ability that destroyed the zero squad
@robertz3l
@robertz3l 7 күн бұрын
Every time Askin is mentioned, all I hear is Ass Skin. And to whoever reads this, now you can't unhear it either 😂😂😂
@saika1615
@saika1615 6 күн бұрын
I love this scene 'cause it really set the scene for the battle of wits
@Auron1Roxas2
@Auron1Roxas2 7 күн бұрын
The scene in the anime makes more sense, we hear askin say that Ichigo was initially immune to reishi poisoning due to the training he got and that he would need to change the "flavor". So what he did was take advantage of the high density reishi in the air, being in the royal palace, which the quincy have control of and have a home field advantage. Ichigo is suffering from being poisoned by all the reishi in the air itself by being in that gift bad.
@TheDrock08
@TheDrock08 7 күн бұрын
Bleach is all about matchups and with Ichigo having such a limited movepool and straightforward fighting style I was NOT surprised he got murked by Askin. You HAVE to one shot Askin from the jump otherwise you are in trouble.
@MsDark93
@MsDark93 7 күн бұрын
I'd say the problem in the manga was with the fact that Ichigo had a *pathetic* showing in TYBW arc. Two wins against Chazz Domino and against Quincy Ladies (sort of, he didn't actually beat them) and that's it.
@The_Cholosseum
@The_Cholosseum 7 күн бұрын
His ability to poison reishi would more overwhelm both Ichigo and Aizen since they have so much. Thats why Askin beat Ichigo with little effort. Nanana was able to restrain Aizen, Askin would definitely be able to do the same to Aizen as he did Ichigo.
@bubbasgotback431
@bubbasgotback431 6 күн бұрын
I feel like fans too often just forget the importance of Matchups in fights. Sometimes, it’s just a bad matchup.
@PutTheCookieDown
@PutTheCookieDown 7 күн бұрын
The fact that ichigo never really goes for one shot kills it's very in character for him to have lost to askin, as that's often the only way to deal with him given his immunity no matter how strong the opponent may be
@Atticus-Catnipp
@Atticus-Catnipp 7 күн бұрын
The Quincies in general were more of a distraction to Ichigo. His main goal from the beginning of the war was always Yhwach
@PutTheCookieDown
@PutTheCookieDown 7 күн бұрын
​@Atticus-Catnipp he underestimated them and thats why he got turned into rug-kun. Rookie mistake. 😂
@Atticus-Catnipp
@Atticus-Catnipp 7 күн бұрын
@@PutTheCookieDown to be fair Askin isn’t brute force like the others
@curtisdunn1854
@curtisdunn1854 7 күн бұрын
I also honestly think the anime is making him look worse. They've only given him more battles to lose. Then reminding us about his special training and growth with squad 0 in front of askin only to still turn him into a rug just further hammers home how useless ichigo and is development was in this arc
@nooc-riggen-udnid-koops
@nooc-riggen-udnid-koops 7 күн бұрын
What are you talking about? He has some of the best character development in this arc, including his own integral character arc, wrapping up with finding out everything about his mom and finally accepting all of himself to honor her. If he was just allowed to capitalize on that, the whole arc would only be 5 chapters long, lol.
@curtisdunn1854
@curtisdunn1854 7 күн бұрын
@nooc-riggen-udnid-koops i'm not talking about his emotional development. I'm talking about his physical development, his strength. It was all for naught. He accomplishes nothing with his new found powers
@cameraredeye3115
@cameraredeye3115 7 күн бұрын
​@@curtisdunn1854 Thing is, Ichigo's opponents were Uryu, Askin, and Yhwach. Any one of them is a bad matchup for Ichigo, each for his own reasons. Uryu is Ichigo's friend, and as such, Ichigo won't fight him seriously unless say, he attacks Orihime for whatever reason. Askin just needs to survive 1 attack from Ichigo to gain complete immunity to the latter's powers (which isn't hard for him to do, since it doesn't need to be a Getsuga). At that point, Ichigo is immediately and forever at Askin's mercy. And considering how big of a troll Askin is, Ichigo will always fall for it. As for Yhwach -- this literally needs no explanation. No Soul Reaper can possibly be a good match for him now that The Almighty has been reawakened. Ichigo, needless to say, is no exception.
@curtisdunn1854
@curtisdunn1854 6 күн бұрын
@cameraredeye3115 none of the context changes anything. I already understand why he loses each time. I just don't care. I care about results and ichigo even after all this incredible hype and build still cannot accomplish a goddamn thing. We literally watched him hold the weight of the worlds and overcome reio's reiatsu and they still cannot make this guy do anything cool after it. It blows my mind. The anime hypes him up more than the manga ever did yet at the same time gives him more L's. It's baffling His performance in this arc is embarrassing
@bastianadit5523
@bastianadit5523 3 күн бұрын
Ichigo accomplishes nothing with his new power.. If it wasn't for Ichigo, there no one able to kill Yhwach. Ichigo is the only one who can kill the soul king
@kredricktorix3881
@kredricktorix3881 5 күн бұрын
My issue was I assumed it would show how strong Itchigo is with his reshei overpowering the gift ball making it mood. Like Aizen negating powers with his etc etc
@reggiecarter6082
@reggiecarter6082 7 күн бұрын
It’s funny cuz when I seen it in the anime I was looking like why tf ichigo look like a fucking placemat 😭😭
@endlesspain4090
@endlesspain4090 6 күн бұрын
Kubo was drunk when he drew this episode... the simple explanation
@Rizingfz08
@Rizingfz08 6 күн бұрын
Ur just slow, Ichigo was chasing someone he didn't know the powers, Kubo made him lose because of that.
@Oneandonlyone-x4m
@Oneandonlyone-x4m 4 күн бұрын
​@@Rizingfz08 who made Ichigo to chase after said guy?
@Oneandonlyone-x4m
@Oneandonlyone-x4m 4 күн бұрын
@@Rizingfz08 you said the guy's slow cause Ichigo chased after a guy's power he didn't know and Kubo made him lose cause of it when it was Kubo who made him chase after said guy just to pointlessly spit on his face
@soulman9018
@soulman9018 7 күн бұрын
I mean...Ichigo himself always suffers the worf effect when facing against someone stronger then him, faster then him and the only difference here is someone that out hax him. Usually to show how dangerous the villain is. The main issue people have with this however is because Ichigo at this point in time is so powerful that he basically rivals a soul king empowered yhwach and Askin terms of power would be little more then fodder to him.
@aleex_maggot
@aleex_maggot 7 күн бұрын
i find Gerard feats more impressive, i dont think Askin could go with 50% of the characters at once like Gerard.
@thewarrior8497
@thewarrior8497 7 күн бұрын
Yeah Gerard is more powerful. That mf is insane
@nooc-riggen-udnid-koops
@nooc-riggen-udnid-koops 7 күн бұрын
Gerard is the 3rd or 4th strongest Quincy, after Yhwach, Haschwalth, and Uryū
@KurosakiKazui-z2u
@KurosakiKazui-z2u 7 күн бұрын
He has the heart of the soul king dude.... Of course he is broken, trying to destroy his heart is probably like trying to destroy the hogyoku or cutting the soul king in half its almost impossible. Even yhwach couldn't Cut the soul king in half he needed ichigo to do it. Destroying the hogyoku is almost impossible cause even the final getsuga tensho couldn't do it in 1 hit, it only made aizen regrace in power...... Maybe with multiple mugetsu it could eventually destroy the hogyoku but we don't know for sure And gerald heart and cross was never destroyed in the manga and kenpachi never tried to slash Gerald cross either buuuuuuut maybe the anime Will change that, we will see. But interestingly enough the ability of kenpachi zaraki's zanpacto is to cut everything Kenny desires (even intangible things) which makes the potential of his powers even more terrifying..... Basically kenpachi holds the power to destroy everything I listed with enough practice and training of courses
@Blad3sofWaR
@Blad3sofWaR 7 күн бұрын
Wonder Why Askin isn’t as strong… - Left Hand of God - God’s first Apostle - Heart of God - Then you have A Joestar Drug Runner. Askin is a Mere Quincy Among Gods, of course he’s the weakest of the Schstaffel (but definitely one of the smartest compared to them all.)
@Blast_S_rank_1
@Blast_S_rank_1 4 күн бұрын
Askin will low diff Gerard and Pernida.
@lancedabomb123
@lancedabomb123 7 күн бұрын
This moment was funny I liked it lol
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