Dinosaurs with Bird Brains???

Editor's Note - at 13:09 we show footage of a T. rex, instead of a Deinonychus. We do have an animatronic Deinonychus as well. Pardon the error.
Evolutionists claim that birds are descended from dinosaurs. A feature that is often cited as linking these two types of creatures is the brain. But are the brains of dinosaurs and birds really that similar?
Host Trey and Dr. Tim Clarey discuss this vital topic on episode 74 of The Creation Podcast!
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[@damieno3470]

I remember as a kid being taught that the large dinosaurs had 2 brains, and certainly never got the update that they made a mistake (one of MANY)! I place my trust in the Bible Gods word! No longer in man.

[@everettwitt834]

Yes one in their head and one in their tail

[@stevepierce6467]

But you do trust the men who compiled the bible.

[@beetsar]

Yes that's called a debunked hypothesis. Anytime theists want to debunk the theory of evolution they only have to provide their research for review

[@stevepierce6467]

@@beetsar I would hold my breath, but I don't have the capacity to hold longer than a few minutes, much less the countless millennia theists will need to show any reviewable research.

[@alantasman8273]

Dinosaur soft tissue has been found on six continents. These tissues include blood vessels, blood cells, collagen and even partial DNA. Interestingly the evolutionist community which typically ignores the soft tissue conundrum or states that this tissue (despite its implausibility) is actually 65+ million years old, believes based on this soft tissue that dinosaurs were indeed warm blooded. . It would be nice to get clarification on this from ICR.

[@nikorn24]

Why is it so implausible?

[@alantasman8273]

@@nikorn24 Ask any forensic expert that deals with corpses. By the way... DNA has a half-life of 521 years.

[@courag1]

@@alantasman8273So in terms of whatever we say they can get DNA from, if even any is found at all, it can’t be ancient at all?

[@all_bets_on_Ganesh]

What do you mean they ignore it who do you think are making the discoveries? They just look at all the evidence, they dont cherry pick evidence to reaffirm their preconceived beliefs.

[@alantasman8273]

@@all_bets_on_Ganesh This information has been on record for at least two decades..yet the myth of dinosaurs living 65+ million years old is still being taught in textbooks and in our schools. Yes it is being ignored because the deep time myth house of cards would collapse...prove me wrong.

[@CreationvsEvolution]

Genesis park has shown dinosaur art that greatly resembles dinosaurs. If dinosaurs didn't exist with man, how did they get such accurate pictures of them? Dinosaurs obviously survived the flood and existed along with humans.

[@mmaimmortals]

What is genesis park?

[@CreationvsEvolution]

@@mmaimmortals Genesis Park is a center located in Concord New Hampshire that deals specifically with dinosaurs and shows the evidence that humans and dinosaurs existed together

[@tracer7898]

Is that Kent Hovind's park. Brilliant man.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@tracer7898 The same Kent Hovind who says people pay for their purchases by swiping their hand (using implanted chips) and that Satan uses UFOs as transport. The same KH who says that the Egyptians did not build the pyramids, that the Cherokees died on the Trail of tears because of evolution, and that the human remains kept in the Smithsonian are from people murdered to try to prove evolution. The same KH who has a graduate degree from "Patriot University," as "school" in a single residence in Colorado which has no faculty and offers credits based on life experience.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@CreationvsEvolution I think it is just a website.

[@mmaimmortals]

There has to be a long list of extreme changes necessary to turn dinos into birds. Little tufts of "protofeathers" don't remotely come close to what would need to happen.

[@deannesanv8931]

Someone should make a list of the things. Here’s a start… Cold-blooded to warm-blooded Different kinds of bones Dinosaur feet to bird feet “Arms” to wings Scales to feathers Mouths to beaks Muscled legs to bird legs Heavy bodies to lightweight, flight-able bodies How could anyone claim that with a straight face?

[@mmaimmortals]

@@deannesanv8931 Indeed. Add to that: Egg shell from leather to hard calcium bellows lungs to avian through-flow lungs sense of global navigation 3 chambered heart to 4 chambered heart And many more.

[@jass9571]

​@@deannesanv8931lol so many dinos have beaks..many have light bones with air cavities in them many have feathers and scales etc. U clearly dont know much about them

[@stevepierce6467]

@@deannesanv8931 Somebody has made a list! Collectively, they are called scientists, and they have huge lists of all the things which evolution over long periods produced (and will continue to produce). Do you actually not understand that those changes do not happen from one generation to another? It takes millions and even billions of generations to produce them. To give you an idea, if we estimate roughly 4-5 human generations per century, humans have been around for less than 1/2 million years, or about 2.5 million generations.

[@Peter_Morris]

Whoa. When you asked the random question of the day, I said Stegosaurus a split second before Dr. Clarey did, and for the same reason. I don’t think they’d try to eat me. Plus they just look so interesting. If I could pick one dinosaur, it would definitely be that one.

[@martindebouck1013]

It seems to me, that those who believe in macro-evolution make their case primarily on the basis of skeleton similarities between species. However, as far as I know ( I am not an expert and I appreciate the scientific research from both sides ) the genetic features of species do not corroborate what skeleton similarities would suggest. This should at least, I think, hold evolutionists back from expressing their beliefs as if they were unquestionable and as if they finally have "proved" macro-evolution.

[@mmaimmortals]

Yes, I think you have a good point. Not to mention the internal organ differences that can't be compared due to lack of preservation in fossils.

[@stevepierce6467]

A minimal study (just read one book on evolution, and not creationist talking points) of evolution will inform you that there are many areas, organic, biological, genetic, skeletal, from which scientist derive their findings.

[@mmaimmortals]

@@stevepierce6467 Did you read the lists above? Those aren't "creationist talking points". Those are real differences that have to be accounted for. Show me the literature that can account for all those differences, not just the superficial "proto feather" arguments. Proto feathers is an evolutionist talking point. Because the fuzzy filaments they refer to have been demonstrated in lab tests with dolphins and other animals decaying.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@mmaimmortals Sorry. Creationist talking points.

[@mmaimmortals]

@@stevepierce6467 "Sorry. Creationist talking points." ** In other words, you don't want to acknowledge the difficulties or provide a solution to changing bellows lungs to avian through-flow lungs. I can't say I am surprised. The professional evolutionist biologists don't want to do it either. That's why there is nothing in the literature that adequately addresses this or the other "creationist talking points" mentioned.

[@forestgiest1380]

All you need to blow everything they said out of the water is just to go look at a handful of high resolution images of the fossils we've already found. They speak for themselves without words.

[@stevepierce6467]

That is a powerful argument of......what exactly?

[@forestgiest1380]

@@stevepierce6467 The evolution of feathers within dinosaurs. Sinosauropteryx Daurlong wangi Sinornithosaurus yutyrannus huali Now go look at them.

[@vikingskuld]

Thanks great video

[@lesliewilson3592]

Stegosaurus! Love it :) Thank you for this excellent video!

[@terrymcclenny6610]

You reference the animatronic Deinonychus in the Discovery Center but show a video of the T Rex in the Discovery Center at about the 13 minute mark.

[@icrscience]

Thank you for the head's up! We've made a note in the description.

[@Torby4096]

Dinosaurs smell better than you? Deordant might solve that😂

[@fergusonhr]

Your soul is who you are, your spirit is what you are and your body is where you are.

[@davidd1450]

Great video

[@ronniemillsap]

As a believer in Christ I disagree . Jurassic park was great to watch. fun and captivating. it just wasn't realistic at all : )

[@davidd1450]

Have you watched videos from Joel Duff?

[@IAMhassentyou]

Amen ICR 🙏

[@canthomaru]

One question I would like to propose, in case it were asked of me, is about the possibility of artifacts from the pre-flood human civilization. I consider that if there was a civilization prior to the Great Flood, that there might be writings or artifacts unless for some reason they were destroyed. Or rather, what reasons could we examine that such artifacts or records are not available to be found?

[@Torby4096]

There undoubtedly were artifacts from the period, but I would say we are very unlikely to find any, or any human fossils for the reason, God made a world full of animals, but only two people, so by the time of the flood 1600 years later, the ratio of people to animals would be very near zero.

[@alantasman8273]

Good question...as a matter of fact look up out of place artifacts ...There have been artifacts such as medallions or coins found in deep regions when wells were dug. Brass alloy items have been found in coal seams. there is one case of a strange alloy hammer being found in stone. These can best be explained as preflood artifacts.

[@Torby4096]

@@alantasman8273 Hmm. Good point. Although the champion sparkplug might not be.

[@canthomaru]

@@alantasman8273 Thanks.

[@stevepierce6467]

Since there was no all-destroying flood, there are and continue to be many ancient artifacts found around the world.

[@alantasman8273]

“The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our text- books have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils. Yet Darwin was so wedded to gradualism that he wagered his entire theory on a denial of this literal record:. Stephen Jay Gould ....paleontologist.

[@stevepierce6467]

If you ever bother to visit a natural history museum (one on practically every major college campus and a big one in DC), you will see literally tons of transitional fossils.

[@jsphfalcon]

why is it I can't listen to this video while my gps app is open and I'm driving

[@icrscience]

Good question. We're looking into the issue, as you're not the only one who has mentioned it. Right now, our best guess is it has something to do with videos that are currently 'members only.'

[@AdamosDad]

A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. 2Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge.…

[@leonhorn8062]

Can someone please explain why you say there were no carnivorous before adam sinned. I dont see it anywhere in the bible

[@btolich]

Gen 1:29-30.

[@everettwitt834]

There was no death not even the animals died God when everything changed after sin entered the world caused death to reign and man to rule everything animals were tge first to die God himself killed animals to cloth man

[@stevepierce6467]

Adam didn;t sin, he just "got in on" like any red-blooded mindless male.

[@Gadfly247]

Dinosaurs becoming birds is nit "science." It is however story telling. You can put lipstick on a pig, but at the end of the day, it's still a pig. 🐖 💋

[@stevepierce6467]

I guess you skipped that part of school called classroom instruction, or that fun activity so many of us practice called reading.

[@Gadfly247]

@@stevepierce6467 No. I actually drank the evution Kool-aid just like you until I actually looked into it independently of the propaganda and discovered that the evolutionary story is riddled with lies and uniformitarian ideologies that fall apart under scrutiny. But, lazy people who only wonk on and on retelling the same debunked "indisputable" truths of the religion of evolution have no space in intellectual circles of those who roll up their sleeves and think for themselves. But hey, living in delusions is easy!

[@kennethswenson6214]

Took a class? And that makes you an expert to talk on Dinosaur anatomy? Was the "Biologist" too busy the day you were filming?

[@deannesanv8931]

I can hardly bear to think about the billions of hours and probably trillions of dollars that have been wasted on studying and trying to prove the idea of evolution, which is so obviously not possible. Think how much good could be done in the world if people would pursue truth and give their extra time to helping others instead of wasting their lives in such a hopeless endeavor as to prove something that the evidence so clearly shows to be false. I’m thankful for the scientists and staff at ICR. You shouldn’t have to be doing your research and work to show that creation is actually rational compared to the evolutionary hypothesis, but in a world absolutely determined to defy and ignore God, it’s worth doing. It would be even more pleasant if we could just study and learn in pursuit of seeing the skill and creativity of our Creator as worship of Him without the dark cloud of evolutionary ideas in the world. Some day, that will be reality on the new earth with Moshiach Yeshua reigning from Yerushalayim.

[@shivasingh20249]

😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@beetsar]

I have stumbled into a rich vein of madness and ignorance. People speaking with great authority on a subject they are ignorant of.

[@djsarg7451]

There is no good evidence for evolution. I do not believe in evolution. But, the earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).

[@andrewshear2927]

Well no birds and Dinosaurs have a common ancestor. That means birds are dinosaur descendents and yes they did take a chicken embryo and they made it grow teeth and grow a tail.

[@vikingskuld]

So what's it's common ancestor and how do you prove it without dna?

[@andrewshear2927]

We have fossils that show that data like Archaeopteryx, Microraptor and others. We also have dinosaur fossils that are so well preserved that they show feather structures.

[@Mikesullin]

@@andrewshear2927I’m not sure if you watched the video but he’s calling into question the validity of those claims. He said that micro rapto and archaeopteryx are actually just birds, and that the “proto feathers” are just collagen fibers

[@damieno3470]

@@andrewshear2927 Not to mention that there are FULLY FORMED birds that have been found along side and even inside dinosaurs! That sure was a really fast evolutionary jump lol! And I guess T Rex was the only dinosaur to NOT have feathers huh??? Remember when scientists said that dinosaurs (the large ones at least) had TWO brains 🧠? Yeah, one in the head and one in the tail. But that turned out to NOT be true at all!!! No possible way they could EVER get ANYTHING wrong EVER right??? The supposed bat evolution chart with absolutely ZERO evidence for it, Ernst Haeckel's embryos chart that was persistent in schools for more than 150 years despite it being debunked from the moment it was created! Piltdown man that was taught as true for more than 40 years, with over 200 published papers, some 50 PHDs awarded for it and yes, even 3 knighthoods given.....for a hoax!!! The March of progress chart that was completely fabricated and a misleading falsehood!!! Neanderthals depicted as Bigfoot creatures....and look at them today, almost no different than humans of today. Nope, scientists never get anything wrong, you can believe everything they say....lol! 🤣

[@vikingskuld]

@@andrewshear2927 Arch and micro are birds plain and simple. Plus that bird your talking about has a birds brain not a Dino one. Fully formed flight feathers it's a freaking bird period. Oh and the bad part it comes what 125 million years before it should. Plus they have found fully formed birds in the fossil record. So how do your other Dinosaur evolve into something that's already been around over a hundred million years before your Dinosaurs turned into birds? They were already present in the fossil story. Something your not looking at either is without DNA you don't know what was related. Just looking at skeletons won't cut it. It's only a belief until then. Skin imprints for Trex doesn't show feathers. The bumps on the tiny piece of bone found supposedly supporting early flight feathers on some of the theropods are so small they may not even be that. They are so small in fact they don't come anywhere near comparable to any flightless bird today. Irregardless of all that there were fully formed bird 50 million years at least before your Dinosaurs were trying to become birds. Fossils are a Lark lol as without dna you don't have a way to prove what is related to what it's just a guess.

[@jass9571]

There is tonnes of data ..why are you talking about movies ..wow so ignorant to the realities of the research . Talking so confidentiality about something that blatantly know nothing about

[@everettwitt834]

Man before the flood to be 969 years old the oldest ever recorded in Gods word then animals also lived to those ages it is only to reason

[@everettwitt834]

If you read the Bible, God created the birds of the air and all life that lived in the seas and in the waters on the fifth day he’s then created the land animals and everything that walked up on the Earth along with man on the sixth day so birds were created before the dinosaurs were created with the fishes of the sea, and you know that bird didn’t come from the sea, and the dinosaurs didn’t come from birds because God already created the bird before the dinosaur