Taking a Closer Look at Uniquely Human Eyes

While we might take them for granted, our eyes are incredibly complex organs. How do they work? Is it possible for eyes to have evolved over long spans of time?
Host Lauren and Dr. Randy Guliuzza discuss the eyes and the concept of complex engineering on episode 66 of The Creation Podcast!
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[@danielmandigo636]

The problem is those looking at biological systems and saying they are poorly designed are exposing their lack of understanding of the system and are ignorant of the enormous complexity they have yet to discover.

[@courag1]

Their purpose is to make a god who would do it this way, is too stupid to know!

[@akmurf7429]

When you can see clearly by His word. You can see a finely tuned excellent creation corrupted by a fallen world. if not for the fall, the world would be perfect.

[@Bomtombadi1]

So it’s the ones who say bad design that are the ignorant ones? What is it with you people and proclaiming everyone needs a god to worship?

[@PhilIsaak]

Not only that but how would they know how an eye should be designed? lol They must be all knowing then 🤦🏼 Is the eagle’s eye a poor design? Those things can see the bottom of the Pacific Ocean from 20,000 feet and see into the future 😁

[@stevepierce6467]

@@akmurf7429 So, all the complex stuff that works is because of god magic, and the defects all come about by sin magic.

[@AlexanderosD]

Life is the most fascinating thing! When the Lord says "my ways are higher than your ways, my thoughts higher than your thoughts", that is a HUGE understatement!

[@joshuabarr7595]

4:12 fun fact is that not everyone can do this. Some people have what is called “aphantasia,” a condition where they cannot visualize things in their mind’s eye. I was well into my adult life before I realized that all the talk about seeing things in your head and daydreaming etc was not just a figure of speech! Mind blown.

[@globalcoupledances]

@jackreacher3499 - Interesting, can you imagine geometric shapes? Like a circle?

[@globalcoupledances]

@jackreacher3499 - I am not a brain specialist. But I guess that it is a tiny handicap. Can you be a danger in traffic because you can not imagine vehicles behind you?

[@globalcoupledances]

@jackreacher3499 - A possible explanation is that image from the eye reaches the visual cortex and you become conscious of that image. But an image in your memory never reaches that virtual cortex, and never reached consciousness. Similarity with people who can see a face but not recognize the person. Only after hearing the voice the affected person recognizes who he is seeing. You are under control of a neurologist or an eye doctor aren't you?

[@williamhoward2731]

I wish to thank you for sharing this awesome pod cast on eyes video with me . Amen

[@icrscience]

Thanks for listening!

[@truthisbeautiful7492]

​@@icrscienceplease have Dr. Clary do a video on Sedimentary 101, explaining clasts, primary and secondary structures, and other terminology. How valleys form, meandering rivers and sediment basins work. If we see a valley how do we go about deciding if it's Flood run off, an Ice Age flood, or from after the ice age?

[@truthisbeautiful7492]

​@@icrscienceplease have your physicist chemist take.about the problems with nucleosynthesis theory. It's hard to find good teaching on the elements that doesn't snuggle in the nebular hypothesis or the big bang.

[@bernharndt]

The question is how were we able to survive the eons past without the eye having been fully develop to cope with our hostile environment during those times?

[@akmurf7429]

He did come down and show us He's real about two thousand years ago. Most people didn't believe him even though He demonstrated authority over the creation. As a matter of fact, those in His time who put Him to death are just like the evolutionists of today, still trying to kill Him today (Joh 8:44). good luck with that. He rose, get over it!

[@stevepierce6467]

You give them too much credit. Evolutionists are only interested in finding out as much as possible about how we came to have all these varied plants and animals. Belief in a creator god is a separate issue, and many scientists are religious believers, if not necessarily fundamentalist literalists.

[@karenhayes4082]

thank you for a wonderfully in depth, easy to understand presentation.. we have an amazing Creator!

[@David-mn6nl]

Obviously they don’t have a huge budget for podcast videos, but some visual representation (animated or something) of what they’re describing would help tremendously. I understand what they’re saying, but seeing it as it’s being described would make it way easier to follow. How he was saying that there’s a whole cascade of reactions when processing the photons - seeing that in animation would add to the appreciation of its complexity, but would also make it more interactive and interesting. Same thing with their podcast’s describing the mechanisms of the flood. That would be so much better if they showed what they’re talking about.

[@matthewstokes1608]

I disagree! In a polite way 🙏😊

[@deannesanv8931]

I have been discouraged and overwhelmed, thinking I will never understand, specifically, biblical prophesy. Recently I realized it is like putting a puzzle together. Finding pieces and fitting them together. Just like you said about discovering aspects of creation. It’s like opening gifts, and the thrill of discovery is a big part of the pleasure.

[@lornabaker4039]

In regards to biblical prophecy, look up the book, Isaiah Decoded, by Abraham Giliadi. I probably spelled his name wrong, but his book is a tremendous help in understanding all the symbolism and different things in the entire Bible- not only Isaiah.

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Isaiah 28:9-10 NKJV [9] "Whom will he teach knowledge? And whom will he make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts? [10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little."

[@addersrinseandclean]

Keep up the good work

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

Amen ICR! God is amazing 🙂🙏✝️

[@peskyfervid6515]

It's a bit difficult to take seriously someone talking about God's wonderful design of the eye when they're wearing glasses. Perhaps those glasses are just an affectation. But to the point, an engineer designing an eye would not design it to fail later in life, would not design it with a blind spot, would not design it to be subject to short-sightedness, astigmatism, cataracts, glaucoma, or macular degeneration. Corrective lenses are a huge business because of failures in the design of the eye. In the USA, the eyewear market is something like $30 billion a year. Appartently people like the improvements man has made over God's design.

[@christophergrant8869]

becuase these are available online...it would be great to add visuals to these discourses because they are so informative

[@sl-rt5kv]

Contrary, to what Lauren and Dr. Randy Guliuzza suggest, the term "natural selection" does not refer to or imply an intelligence that "selects" or designs living things. Instead, it refers to a process wherein individuals of a species that have harmful traits are _less likely_ to survive & pass genes for those traits to future generations than individuals who possess traits that are beneficial for survival. In this way, the traits and underlying genetics of a species changes over time.

[@avechristusrex31]

And all that engineering, chemistry, biology, physics and mathematics came about by natural evolutionary processes! Yeah right! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ave Christus Rex Great discussion. God bless the great work your institute is doing. God help all the students in our schools and colleges that are literally being lied to. It’s very sad indeed.

[@Bomtombadi1]

lol do you think using Hail King Jesus in Latin makes you smarter after a hand waive dismissal of an argument?

[@avechristusrex31]

@@Bomtombadi1 I am a traditional Catholic who attends Latin mass and prays in Latin. Latin is important to me and my faith. Your reference to a hand wave dismissal could not be further from the truth. I have studied the creation/evolution debate for years and having once believed in evolution I now completely disbelieve it. It has no foundation in science at all. It’s all predicated on abiogenesis which is literally naturally impossible. Ave Christus Rex (Hail Christ the King) Have a good one.

[@Bomtombadi1]

@@avechristusrex31 you have studied evolution? Really? What do you understand about it? It has foundation is biology, so this “no foundation in science,” is just nonsense. How is abiogenesis “literally naturally impossible”?

[@avechristusrex31]

@@Bomtombadi1 sounds like you don’t have much of a clue about this subject. One of the fundamental tenets of mainstream science is that life cannot come from non life. Do your research. You know nothing about my research. Educate yourself instead of blowing smoke. Maybe start with how the building blocks of dna came about and how a basic life form like an amoeba has up to 300 billion base pairs in its dna, all of which are arranged impeccably as a phenomenally complex computer code but a code that can read itself and make copies, allowing for cell replication, not to mention replication of the species itself. Apparently we came from something like an amoeba….. Then take a look at the fossil record and see can you find any transition fossils. Your belief in evolution as I said before relies on firstly chemical evolution and somehow all the elements of a cell (including dna) somehow coming together and synthesising in the primordial soup. The odds of a single basic protein forming from 150 amino acids that could somehow constitute one of millions of elements of a single cell is 1 x 10 to the 164th power. There are only 1 x 10 to the 80th power of particles in the known universe. If this single very basic protein did form it would have zero protection and would instantly degrade by the Sun’s UV. Anyway, you seem to be an expert so, you know all this already. And btw, evolution is not a thing. Adaptation within inter fertile kinds is a thing as this capacity is built into the regulatory function within dna. We are devolving, as we amass approximately 60 new genetic mutations every generation. Within 1400 years at currents rates of mutation any geneticist who knows their subject will tell you that the human species will be extinct. It’s called Genetic Entropy. Ave Christus Rex

[@avechristusrex31]

@@Bomtombadi1 a basic tenet of biology is that life cannot come from non life. Do your homework!!!!! Ask a biologist. I’m tired of debating people who are not even aware of the basics.

[@akmurf7429]

Time will not help, no matter how long, for something that is chemically, or physically impossible.

[@stevepierce6467]

But for what is possible, "time can do so much!" (Thanks, Righteous Brothers). It can provide the time frame necessary for one-celled organisms to become full sized plants and animals.

[@stuartofblyth]

A nice, big diagram (or two) may have helped during the description.

[@JustinAnthonySantos]

What are the roles of eyebrows?

[@65gtotrips]

My personal opinion is they’re for similar use where you see baseball players using the black charcoal under their eyes…to keep brightness down. Again, just my theory. Also for looks.

[@globalcoupledances]

I think for non verbal communication. Verbal communication came later. Humans and chimps are social animals. Communication is necessary

[@UserRandJ]

​@@globalcoupledancesDo Chimps Dance? You are not a chimp, but I do think you wish you were, for some strange reason.

[@deannesanv8931]

My eyebrows - or the bones beneath them - have saved my eyes quite a few times. The scars on them prove it. :)

[@johnfinegan5808]

The eyebrows do give a shade effect but are superb for keeping water droplets from running down into your eyes when out in the rain. The direction of the hairs direct water to the temple area to run off. Superb design, and that's without looking at expression and emotion signals.

[@revelationakagoldeneagle8045]

Thank You 🙏 By "God's Design" we are made! 🪶 A unique body is given to each of us by our loving heavenly Father. He created it as a tabernacle for our spirits (soul), to assist each of us in our quest to fulfill the measure of our creation. 🪶 Our bodies allow each of us to experience the great plan of salvation that He has designed for all His presious children. 🪶 Our bodies are said to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, and we are called to take care of and honor God's temple. God's Words lead us to use our bodies and the gifts He has given us to achieve the will of God. 👇 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 Romans 12:1-2 Matthew 6:22-23 1 Corinthians 12:27 Psalm 100:3 Romans 12:4 🪶 ✨

[@stevepierce6467]

Bible verses, folklore from 3000 years ago, utterly meaningless!

[@lauriemclean1131]

Very interesting about the lazy eye. I can remember having to wear a patch when I was little. Unfortunately, the lazy eye never was corrected. I have vision in it, but my eyes won't "cooperate" with each other.

[@critical-thought]

One day He will present Himself so we can all see, but at that point it will be too late to do anything about it.

[@christtheonlyhope4578]

If there's a design, there is a Designer and that Designer is God.

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Amen

[@stevepierce6467]

But there is no design! So.............

[@christtheonlyhope4578]

@@stevepierce6467 in who's deluded view? Yours? Wow you've been deceived.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@christtheonlyhope4578 So show me I am wrong! No? All you have is epithets, but no evidence.

[@stevepierce6467]

Great big "if." There is no evidence at all to show that any part of nature is a design. Therefore, no designer god.

[@jenwilson5541]

The breakdown piece by piece of the eye by Dr Galooza was excellent. Thank you very much! The eye and function designed by God is awesome. I’m greatful for sight. So greatful.

[@65gtotrips]

I just love these kinds of talks… The eye 👁 is one of THE MOST magnificent creations by God. Even using the word magnificent isn’t close to describing the depths of God.

[@65gtotrips]

It would’ve been good to use slides or a whiteboard in this video

[@akmurf7429]

If your eyes were such a bad design as evolutionists say, Kodak would never have copied them. everything we make is a rudimentary copy of nature.

[@stevepierce6467]

Funny how Kodak's lens works perfectly and my eyes do not.

[@JungleJargon]

Observations do agree with the predictions of general relativity because over large distances both the changing measure of distance and the changing rate of time contribute to exaggerate the effect of increased speed of things the farther away from the galactic center it is where there is less gravity. There is only an appearance of deep time because information from the rest of the universe arrives faster because time runs faster between here and there and the distance isn’t as far as it appears to us to be.

[@avechristusrex31]

Interesting!

[@therick363]

Publish your evidence……

[@JungleJargon]

@@therick363 I just did, When are the scientists going figure out that the amount of gravity changes the measures of time and distance which changes the speed of light?

[@therick363]

@@JungleJargon when you cherry pick science you get called out.

[@JungleJargon]

@@therick363 Science is what you can know and you know speed by knowing the time and distance which both depend on the amount of gravity in the vicinity.

[@mr.fastforward]

fantastic

[@akmurf7429]

Evolutionists use agency also but exactly who, is their god. Easy answer; Self. Good catch Lauren.

[@Bomtombadi1]

Ugh - more nonsense from the peanuts. In what ways do “evolutionists use agency?”

[@jeremy454]

Some Evolutionists believe in God as well.

[@akmurf7429]

Yes, there are theistic evolutionists. The problem is, that theistic evolution and the bible cannot be reconciled. There is no need for God and that is the excuse they use to justify their choices. There was no fall from grace, death is a natural process and not the enemy, life somehow (evolutionists don't know how) arose from undirected chemical processes, and there is absolutely no basis for morality. morality becomes a random chemical process in your brain. Explain to me the rationale behind why rape, murder, and plunder are wrong from an evolutionary viewpoint. you are just trying to propagate your genes and ensure your survival (survival of the fittest). How could that be wrong from an evolutionary point of view? Like oil and water, they don't mix.

[@joshuaturner1072]

God did say "I am here." He came down in the form of a man and said, "Here I am!" He met with Moses and said, "Here I am!" People didn't listen then. Many wouldn't listen now.

[@stevepierce6467]

No. Some rabbis decades after the events wrote that god said this or that in support of their new religious sect. We have no evidence that a god exists or that he said anything.

[@izakjoubert1360]

God's blessings to you All

[@Torby4096]

Ha ha ha ha ha.... You're wrong! I'm autistic, so I don't do eye contact, and I have aphantasia, so I thought of Buggs Bunny, but I did not see him😊 OK, I am also a brat😏 I believe creation and love your work.

[@frankfromupstateny3796]

If God knows ALL, is omnipresent, and omnipotent...he can't be described as a genius...HE just IS. I AM, THAT...I AM...isn't genius...IT JUST IS.

[@mikebosler7516]

👍🤚🙏❤️🦕

[@xviewmytubex]

And the highly intelligent and scientifical response to this by evos is "we've observed it in our lab". 🙄. =)

[@stevepierce6467]

Which is more concrete evidence than anything ever presented by a creationist.

[@xviewmytubex]

@@stevepierce6467 As a faith statement on your part, sure. Thanks for your honesty about your faith in the evos camp! You may continue to pay lip service to their faith statements! =)

[@stevepierce6467]

@@xviewmytubex Takes no faith. Much of modern medical practice is based on the biology of the evolution of organisms. It actually works, whereas prayer for example works as well as or slightly lower than complete random chance. I have little faith in anything other than what I can know. I will admit, there is a leap of faith when I get on a plane, because all I have is the assurance of the airline that all systems have been properly maintained. They have a pretty good record statistically (we are about 25x more likely to be killed in a car crash) but the record is not perfect. But I have no faith whatsoever in the supernatural claims of any religion.

[@xviewmytubex]

@@stevepierce6467 The faith comes from the layperson. They place their faith in the evo camp and their claims! Get it? If evo was so easily and frequently observed as claimed by evos for over a 100 years, the first invitees to SEE (observe it) it would have been creation scientists as they have been matching every talking point made by evos for over those 100 years. Of course, this will never happen! Maintaining the doctrine only within the evo camp exposes what this really is! You read as an evo. If you are, let me ask you a simple (should be simple) question: what is evolution? =)

[@xviewmytubex]

@@stevepierce6467 Some coward keeps reporting my comments for blocking. You read as a follower of the evo camp. If so, here's a simple question for you: what is evolution? =)

[@larrycarter3765]

Unique?

[@skunkape5918]

☦🕯🙏🕯❤🕯✝️

[@akmurf7429]

Evolutionists make all kinds of foolish claims like, "The human eye is a poor design". Why then, can I see so well? The Lord made them, VERY GOOD is the truth of the matter. Evolutionists must make statements like these to try and prove their religion (paradigm) because evolution is an ad-hoc design theory that doesn't reach an end result. constantly evolving, getting better makes no sense when what is, is so efficient and well designed. God gets all the glory!

[@burnttoast2790]

*Evolutionists make all kinds of foolish claims like, "The human eye is a poor design". Why then, can I see so well?* You actually can't see as well as some other organisms, even as a baseline. Birds and some arthropods have a wider range of what would be visible light, birds of prey have better visual acuity. And the big one is that our eye is set up backwards, with the blood vessels and nerves running _in front of_ our retina in such a way that their convergence point forms a blind spot that we have to constantly move our eyes to account for; cephalopods have that reversed, and so lack our inherent blindspot. Funnily enough, this blindspot is a trait specific to the vertebrate eye, as if such quirks follow a pattern only evolution can logically explain. *The Lord made them, VERY GOOD is the truth of the matter.* And then he killed over 99% of them because he either thought they _weren't_ very good or because he's incompetent. *Evolutionists must make statements like these to try and prove their religion (paradigm)* Evolution isn't a religion by any definition that doesn't dilute one or both terms into uselessness. *because evolution is an ad-hoc design theory* It's the _only_ valid theory of biodiversity currently around. But hey, thanks for admitting you don't know what a theory even is. *that doesn't reach an end result. constantly evolving, getting better makes no sense when what is, is so efficient and well designed. God gets all the glory!* Because there _isn't_ an end result. The only "goal" in evolution is surviving long to have offspring who can do the same. What form that takes will inevitably change given our existence as imperfect self-replicators living in a dynamic environment.

[@akmurf7429]

You couldn't even trust your own faulty reasoning if there were no God of reason. How do you know God is a fiction? Do you possess all knowledge? Everything is subject to entropy and becoming more disorderly (downward). That means once it was very orderly and good. That fits the biblical narrative perfectly while flying in the face of the evolutionary narrative (upward). What is fiction is the made-up rebellious religion of atheism. In the beginning, there was nothing, and then nothing exploded and created everything. Nonsense! Get used to that. You can tell Him He is a fiction when you meet Him. Wear a diaper!

[@stevepierce6467]

The human eye is fairly poorly designed compared to other better ones, and superior to others. We can see as well as each of our own eyes allow, in my case, not particularly well. Even among persons there is a wide range of vision, from excellent to poor to blind.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

Evolution is amazing.

[@TheHeggert]

😂😂😂

[@UserRandJ]

And then you woke up

[@skunkape5918]

Evolution must be very intelligent.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

@@skunkape5918 Nope, Evolution has no purpose or mind.

[@skunkape5918]

@@StudentDad-mc3pu evolution must be very lucky

[@captivedesk3168]

Those glasses he is wearing are awful thick for a designed eye. Unless the designer is incompetent. Lose the glasses Randy, too much science in those, maybe try some snake oil from the ICR gift shop instead.

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Is a car maker incompetent when the brakes need to be changed or the car starts to experience sputtering?

[@captivedesk3168]

@@JesusistheonetrueGod If the car maker has a 99% failure rate, (99% of all species on earth have gone extinct) then yes, they are incompetent.. would you hire an engineer with a 99% failure rate? would you fire an engineer with a 99% failure rate?

[@stevepierce6467]

@@JesusistheonetrueGod Cars are mechanical devices. Humans are presumably the perfectly designed creation of an omnipotent god........but if god doesn't make mistakes.............???????

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

@@stevepierce6467 We were perfect before the fall. Nevertheless, you couldn't even make a worm with the highest form of wjat you call science..

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

@@stevepierce6467 Things breakdown over time since Adam sinned and corruption entered the world. Humans were perfect before the fall. Humans are still the crowning achievement of creation despite our faults. As for you, can you even make a microorganism with any science known to man?