Identifying FeNi Vultology

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@atomnous 2 жыл бұрын

Here's how I see the essence of each judgment function is laid out according to the matrices. Te = practical law = fixed strategy (TePi), fluid ability (PiTe) Fe = practical desire = fixed ability (FePi), fluid strategy (PiFe) Ti = analytical law = fixed identity (TiPe), fluid priority (PeTi) Fi = analytical desire = fixed priority (FiPe), fluid identity (PeFi)

@nigelharvey640 2 жыл бұрын

So there’s this guy Leon Noel, from Learning with Leon who teaches people how to Code. And it’s interesting because he lines up with this Vultology perfectly! (I take his class 3 hrs twice a week on twitch) It’s really cool to see a system that actually lines up with real people in an consistent an observable way

@AnyaAnnika67 Жыл бұрын

It's interesting you say that an Fe dominant can have a closed stance like Ti doms; this certainly fits with CPT the model I ascribe too as Fe & Ti are on an inextricable axis...I'm a divergent Ti-Ni ENFJ & have quite a closed stance. I also think it's important that you pointed out that Fe doms can be scientists indeed in CPT owing to ENFJs Ti-Ni divergence this makes them one of the most versatile scientifically speaking, types as they can hold vast swaths of scientific abstract theorem that they assimilate & synthesis in their minds. There's often too much attention focused on Fe-Se & not enough on Ti-Ni when both are composites of the psyche. I agree with the differences between Fe & Te although it should be noted that both Fe & Te doms can dip into the other from the dominant position; indeed ENFJs & ENTJs are quite similar contingent upon subtype. I'd be interested to see what you made of me as a divergent ENFJ; I have somewhat of a more robotic skills set like my Ti dom counterparts but I can switch to an FeSe stance - it just depends on context & context plus cognitive fluidity is very important to bare in mind. Thank you for giving a more nuanced approach to Fe also as it's generally perceived as this huggy kissy function which it isn't; as you mentioned Fe also has a proclivity towards truth as it pertains to humans & the conceptual understanding of such. I'm glad you've also included other Fe representations; I think this has in part to do with Fe & Ti existing on an inextricable axis whereby Fe operates at the behest of a Ti agenda. I for example have a highly fluid axis at 50/50 so I present much more like your latter examples to a degree (I think there's a cultural element: as I'm from the UK we're generally not as expressive or emotive)....of course Fe & being emotive are not synonymous which I think many novice people in the MBTI world can confuse. I like that term 'directive Fe' - it fits me to a tea 😊...I'd point out again that in a fully integrated ENFJ Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda hence they aren't mutually exclusive which is where this more directive slant comes in. Conversely, Ti doms operate at the behest of an Fe agenda. I think when you've added in socialism, Marxism etc these are example of the ENFJs Ti-Ni (it's Ti/Ni in CPT as again Ni acts at the behest of Ti cerebralism) holistic thinking; synthesising a range of abstract theorem to form a holistic perception.

@atomnous 2 жыл бұрын

Quadratic implicit experiences of divinity: Alpha (FeTi and NeSi) Gods as imperceptible beings. Examples: mythological creatures, angels, demons, historical prophets, ancestors, fairies, aliens, etc. Beta (FeTi and SeNi) Gods as perceptible beings. Examples: friends, family, husband, wife, children, self, colleagues, enemies, animals, kings and queens, etc. Gamma (TeFi and SeNi) Gods as perceptible artifacts. Examples: nature, possession, stones, medicine, sex, statues, money, foods, music, physical beauty, etc. Delta (TeFi and NeSi) Gods as imperceptible artifacts. Examples: universe, ideas, love, math, philosophy, heaven, hell, another dimension, character beauty, science, etc.

@lavlmoon 2 жыл бұрын

I was hoping to see Dr. Jordan Peterson in these examples. A lot of people are unconvinced he's an Fe-lead, but he very much fits the directive Fe style of FeNi. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing some Gamma and Alpha types to compare. Thanks for all this content. You've been on a roll!

@CognitiveTypology 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Jordan Peterson is indeed FeNi! His psychology is very clear and one of the best examples of his type. But his development is non-standard, so I couldn't put him in this video. He'll feature in an upcoming series focusing on what types look like when some of the lower three functions are conscious.

@nachitoyh 2 жыл бұрын

@@CognitiveTypology I'm very much sure JP is Ni-Fe tho. His Ti even feels higher than his Fe, he feels very uncomfortable showing emotion, and he moves his hands and stuff with the Ti delicacy

@AnyaAnnika67 Жыл бұрын

Sorry but Jordan Peterson in CPT is definitely a ISFP albeit a rarer subtype. I'm typed by CPT as a divergent ENFJ so Ti-Ni convergent type (I'd like to know how vultology accounts for intra type variation). JP definitely has attached Fi logic linked to Ni - his thinking is not cerebral & holistic; I think any Ti conscious type can see this...he's about as attached Fi as one gets & backs his opinions up with some shady Te metrics (not that Te is 'shady' he just doesn't have a fully integrated Te).

@AnyaAnnika67 Жыл бұрын

@@nachitoyhI think he's ISFP as his logic is very Fi attached. I'm typed by CPT as a divergent ENFJ so Ti-Ni lead & I can unequivocally say that he is not a holistic thinker but rather a concrete Te-Se thinker...he uses a lot of questionable studies to back up his subjective opinions. I'm not slating JP here it's simply an observation. Where I think people get confused is they often think that ISFPs can't be intellectuals; in his case he is but it's clear he's a convergent Fi-Ni user which becomes more clear when you look at his aversion for Te-Ne; he can be quite tunnel visioned which is both the types strength & Achilles heel

@EndlessKurtis 2 жыл бұрын

I find it Interesting to compare these Fe-Ni motivational self help gurus to someone like Tony Robbins which you type Fe-Si instead. Thinking about how FeSi vs FeNi operate differently in this field of self help is fascinating. I’d love to see a comparison of that Done by you.

@CognitiveTypology 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I definitely will do one when I get around to the FeSi types. :)

@user-bp7of8mj6d 2 жыл бұрын

I can't wait to see all of the parts of this lecture, really good videos :D

@AnyaAnnika67 Жыл бұрын

Other famous examples of ENFJs: Gillian Anderson (who ironically I look a bit like as an ENFJ) Patrick Stewart Ian McKellan Anna Politkovskaya Margery Tyrell (GOT) Daenerys Targaryen (GOT) Hannibal from the TV series

@nachitoyh 2 жыл бұрын

When are we getting Ti-Ne? Definitely interested in the Seelie -Unseelie/Adaptive - Directive

@CognitiveTypology 2 жыл бұрын

I'm planning on making at least one type a week, but I don't yet know the exact order. We'll see when TiNe rolls around! ...And oh yes, without an understanding of emotional attitudes -- typologies make a grave error. Jung did the same thing which is why he identified women as predominately "F" types, almost exclusively. That doesn't seem likely if type were real-- it should be equal-ish. But women are more emotional, compassionate, etc on average. If you bake compassion/care into your typology as an actual category, you end up with weird effects like this. The only way to fix this problem is to decouple emotions from type and allow them to vary, so that high-F types can be mean and harsh, and high-T types can be nice and kind too-- which is something we must all know deep inside, but we don't really admit, because we don't know how to make sense of that truth with traditional typology models. Oh wow, pardon the ramble. Yes! Maybe in the next few weeks it'll come out. :)

@nachitoyh 2 жыл бұрын

@@CognitiveTypology what feels incredibly fascinating to me, is how does type manifest genetically? And just how in the fuck does nature divide us in these very distinct cognitive stacks, that make up 16 basic types, with temperament differences inside each type, (which I assume is the individual genetics and upbringing).

@itsmeraz3008 2 жыл бұрын

@@nachitoyh I absolutely absolutely love to think about genetics/hereditary factors for personality typing. I think I am at the position that the instructions for temperament works in a very similar way to our biological bodies, (example being eye colour etc etc). When I observe my children, there is a very clear difference between which kid is similar to which parent. But with the caveat that I also understand that gene expression is also related to environmental differences.