Idol History: From Motown to Ktown

[@cscha101]

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[@IsaaaImpossible]

I'm so lucky to have found your channel! Really interesting,I'm excited for the video about the creative director.

[@partiallyhydrogen8ed]

I'm glad that you acknowledge that K-pop got it's ideas from Motown and J-pop/Johnny's. I see a lot of K-pop fans say that black people have nothing to do with it's creation. Also, even though Johnny was a demon, if he didn't create Johnny's & Associates, then we might not have Asian idols today. I hate that I like some of his groups before knowing what a evil person he was. He better be burning in hell!

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[@Luna04567]

Such a well researched video

[@fearnot_jeans]

CHATGPT Redirected me to your video after I talked about this under a recent video my original comment was : Chat gpt corrected : No shade to the new groups from the 2010s, but it's partly their fault that boybands and girlbands have disappeared from the Western music industry. It’s also why many people think K-pop came out of nowhere, when in reality, it’s heavily influenced by the idol training system that originated in the West-specifically from Black American music traditions. Back in the '90s and 2000s, many producers and teams that worked in the U.S. transitioned to Asia. This shift coincided with the rise of J-pop, which was inspired by Motown and the idol training systems. These systems were refined into what we now associate with K-pop. When K-pop began gaining global recognition in the late 2000s (around 2007), the last significant Western boyband was Big Time Rush. By the time BTS and Blackpink debuted, the Western boyband/girlband landscape was disorganized, with groups either trying to look “authentic” or disbanding altogether. I hope newer groups like Boysworld (RIP), FLO, No Guidnce, Full Circle, and Absnt Mind can inspire executives to reclaim the boyband/girlband legacy in the Western pop industry. No shade, but companies like JYP and HYBE act like they’ve invented something groundbreaking with “K-pop training” in the U.S. and Japan, as seen with groups like NiziU, VCHA, KATSEYE, and NEXZ. However, the idol training system they’re using originated in the U.S. and Japan decades ago. Let’s not forget how many groups in the 2000s and 2010s trained in cities like Los Angeles, Orlando, New York, or Tokyo. Music shows, a cornerstone of K-pop, were heavily inspired by MTV. Why else would MTV expand its format to Korea? Groups like One Direction, Little Mix, Why Don’t We, and Fifth Harmony didn’t help much either. They emphasized being “authentic” but failed to realize that authenticity and cohesive branding aren’t mutually exclusive. Even rock bands managed to maintain individuality while still presenting as a unified group. Thankfully, groups like Little Mix figured this out and thrived. Now, K-pop labels like HYBE and K-pop stans act as though K-pop is the next big thing globally. But the truth is, what’s missing from the music industry in general is pop music itself. Japan’s restricted music export policies and the U.S. neglecting its pop groups left a void that K-pop filled. From what I’ve noticed (speaking as someone who’s followed this since I was 12), K-pop’s global success is largely due to marketing strategies that Western pop stars used to excel at. K-pop creates a sense of FOMO (fear of missing out), making people believe they're witnessing the next big thing-even if that isn’t always the case. It’s also worth noting that K-pop often appropriates elements of Black culture and music to fuel its success. This is part of a broader marketing strategy to adapt what works in their domestic market, blend it with external influences (like J-pop or Afrobeat sounds), and then drop those influences once they achieve global success. Meanwhile, the U.S. music industry stopped investing in cohesive, label-driven pop groups, preferring artists who could gain popularity “organically” while maintaining authenticity. Ironically, K-pop executives-heavily influenced by U.S. and J-pop A&Rs-invested in this exact system and turned it into a global phenomenon. At what point do we call it cultural colonization? My words : Like No shade to those New Groups in 2010s but it's litteraly their fault There's no band in the west anymore and that people think K-Pop came out of nowhere, losing the boyband/girlband idol training (singing, dancing) legacy the west/black american made. Those producers/team that worked in the 90s, 2000s in the US moved to Asia as the same time the west bands were popping which helped genre like J-Pop to inspire by the motown and create the idol system that K-Pop has taken and at the time K-Pop started being a thing in 2007, the last real Boyband in Date was Big time rush and as Blackpink and BTS arrived, the bands in America were already "aunthentic" looking like and they were messy or disbanded. I hope the new groups such like Boysworld (R.I.P) or Flo, No Guidnce, Full Circle and Absnt Mind will wake some executive minds and take back what has been taken from them : The While Pop industry. Like No shade but JYP and Hybe really thought that they made that brand new thing bringing "K-Pop training" in Japan and USA were the idol training system literally came from down there with NiziU, Vcha, Katseye and NEXZ like- How many groups in 2000 to 2010 or even today litteraly had visas to train in Los Angeles, Orlando, New York or Tokyo ? Or where do you think Music show come from and why would MTV would go in Korea to make Music show a thing there ? And One Direction, Little Mix, Why don't we and Fifth Harmony and the rest didn't help at all saying they want to be "authentic" when even Rock Boy band or just band in general still had an authenticity factor but still looked like a Group. Genuinely thank god they didn't flop and were actually talented but if they actually fold themselves to the industry and look a little cohesive to further develop their personality, they would be bigger. Little Mix understood that. Cause now Hybe/Big hit or even Kpop EVEN Kpop labels and Kpop stans think that K-Pop is the next big thing. NO. Pop it's just what missed to the music industry in general and having Japan restricted their music and USA litteraly stopoing their music had all of us thrown to K-POP (Genuinely) Cause from a 12 years old stan what I've noticed is that K-Pop isn't as big as it is. It's just a way of marketing the pop star used to do : Make you belive they are a thing even though they are new or irrelevant to the industry (for now or not) so you have the FOMO, you don't want to miss the next big thing. And since they are not big even in their home countries, they are going to take what's working in their home country (Like for example Tyla and Tinashe really or JPOP loved in Korea and Asia as a whole) and they will make a Korean version that speaks to their norms until they get popular of of it and once they get where they want they drop the following music that works (especially from Black people/Black music industry involving in most od the times in Cultural Appropriation) and gets all the flowers. That's a whole marketing that the new music industry as a whole atopped doing because they want to sign someone who can get popular by themselves, authentic and everything and Kpop exctuive largely helped by the Us and Jpop industry A&R invest in K-POP as it is the next big thing. At what point do we call it colonization?

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[@jej__09]

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