The Biggest Screen Hogs in Survivor History (Part 2)

Three winners, two runners-up, and one podcast host.
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[@qfox16789]

HE IS LITERALLY CARRYING HIS FAMILY ON HIS BACK

[@vaporterra]

Not surprising that Probst misuses the word literally

[@maximaldinotrap]

@@vaporterra Rob's shirt had a picture of Amber and their daughter on the back of it so in that case he technically was literally carrying his family on his back.

[@reubenmanzo2054]

@@maximaldinotrap So is it technically or literally? They mean very different things.

[@sarafagin3967]

I think one of my favorite Survivor scenes ever has to be when Boston Rob just chucks that clue into the volcano.

[@maximaldinotrap]

To be fair it was useless to anyone at that point.

[@evanconway7051]

Looking back, a lot of people think that Russell's edit in Samoa was overbearing or "too much," but you gotta realize that while editing Samoa, production knew that they were bringing Russell back for HvV in the next season (and that he makes it to the end). They HAD to make him the star of the season so fans would appreciate his return and treat him as an All Star like some of the huge names we saw that season. If they would've highlighted Natalie's social game, Dave's humor, Brett's immunity run at the end, Shambo's character, etc., fans may have not welcomed Russell as an All Star or saw him as undeserving to be on such an iconic season. Samoa is essentially the origin story of supervillain Russell Hantz because production NEEDED to contextualize his role in HvV.

[@berouja]

Yeah at the expense of the season's narrative and the other players that season. It was so shortsighted on the producer's side and a big insult to the winner of the season.

[@evanconway7051]

@@berouja And I COMPLETELY agree with that take. I was merely contextualizing Russell's edit in Samoa because a lot of people only look at the season and forget to recognize the bigger picture of Survivor as an entire television show.

[@animeluver22ful]

It would even be considered one of the best seasons with a good edit. The Foa Foa comeback is one of the best comeback stories that played out organically without a bottle twist or god idol. Had they done it right, Russell would still be considered robbed but in an Aubry way where you could debate his loss.

[@josephmeeks240]

I'd love to see Redemption Island told through the perspective of Grant. No, no I wouldn't. Can't even lie.

[@anthonymort5202]

I talked to his cousin though and he said that Grant is still mad at Boston Rob and he still won't talk to him he went on to say that Grant has always acted like a child when he doesn't get his way so he's not surprised

[@DircyaT.Rubino]

If the top twelve biggest screen hogs went to a party, only eleven invitations would have been sent.

[@landonweaver1040]

If Russell was on the other tribe then only ten invitations

[@snuffed7879]

It is crazy how there have been so few female main characters in Survivor other than Kathy, Stephenie and maybe Cirie/Kim/Natalie. I can’t think of anyone else that has been OTT on their season, the most recent example is probably Aubry in Kaoh Rong but even then there was a lot of focus on Tai.

[@floatinghamstick]

Kim in One World maybe? I always saw her as the main character but might have just been me. Definitely needs to be more.

[@TheKyoshiFan]

@@floatinghamstick could but even then Colton was definitely the main character of the pre merge.

[@vaporterra]

@@TheKyoshiFan you could have a main narrator in one half of the season and another in the second half. Like in Total Drama Action there was two different main antagonists in each half of the season

[@samanthawaters9263]

In production’s defense, a lot of the women who’ve been on the show aren’t that interesting personality wise or didn’t impact their season much.

[@tobiasrytting189]

What about parvati in season 20 they made a whole episode about her

[@kyletucker3811]

"It was beyond frustrating to see Ometepe not realize the call was coming from inside the house." 🤣🤣🤣 Oh that cracked me up good. I was like, "Did he just say that?" And then the image of Boston Rob in the Scream robe popped in my head and I just lost it.

[@JurzGarz]

It’s fine to focus more on interesting or fun characters, IMO but when *one* person is getting a fifth or more of the confessionals, it’s a problem.

[@NYChica23]

Especially when the winner of said season gets 15 confessionals max and the runner up gets over 100

[@Shutterbun4]

No bullshit though, Coach flipping Cochran was absolutely brilliant. He completely read every card in Cochran's hand, and then instead of gloating about it, used it as a way in, telling Cochran he knew how he felt (being bullied, etc.). There was plenty of cringe in Coach's game that season, but flipping Cochran was Grade A Survivor.

[@cameronjones4895]

Unexpected Danger Dave! I wish he got more air time or a chance to play again. What a funny guy!

[@trevzeee]

You should make a tier list of survivor animals, for ex. Mark the chicken, that monkey from Thailand etc. Also, you should do a vid on most questionable returning players like Colton, like why did he return??

[@arievfrank8370]

The Pelican from Pearl Islands

[@SB-jq8jj]

The goats in Africa that got sent away on reward...

[@siwap3809]

the llama that screamed at Kass in Cagayan. that was a strange one

[@sadlyadri9266]

FRECKLESSSSSSSS :D

[@DircyaT.Rubino]

Balboa the snake! (And they named the monkey Magilla.)

[@daniellegershman9165]

I think we should also include Ozzy for being the subject of so many confessionals. He may not have had the highest number himself, but nearly every confessional in his first three seasons (especially the second two) are about him up until he’s voted off anf officially leaves the game. The world revolved around Ozzy and his superhuman abilities. It was very entertaining but also a little sad how everyone talked so much about Ozzy that we barely got to truly get to know the other contestants. Even when he was perfectly safe from being eliminated, almost every confessional on his tribe was about him and how he’s so amazing. I’d be interested to know what the exact percentages are of confessionals revolving around him

[@huntergreene4344]

Thank you for putting that redemption island ad in the video I was looking for it but I couldn’t find it

[@ajl9772]

Disagree about Rob's tribe being more receptive to working with a returning player. 2 of them immediately ruled out working with him. Many of the Zapataras said they wanted to work with Russell, but je came out of the gate aggressive and wasn't a great leader the way Rob was to his tribe. I think you also gotta remember how they were viewed. Russell was viewed as a bully and a villain while Rob got a hero edit in HvV. Idk if Rob wins if he goes to Zapatara, but I highly doubt Russell does much better on ometepe and I think Rob still at least makes merge. At the very least I don't see them throwing a challenge to get rid of him.

[@NYChica23]

I don't know if Russell does succeed if he would've gone to Ometepe instead, because one of the main keys to Rob doing so well there was his correctly knowing how to handle a loose cannon like Phillip, and I seriously doubt Russell would be able to work with Phillip in the same way

[@jdtham3088]

The issue is that with the mafioso type role they always try to focus on the next big player who fits that role because it has created some of the most popular characters ever Like: Tony Rob and Russell. Because Men have more tendencies to think better of themselves than women do, they come off more confident for example: Russell, ace, coach, JP, skupin, Phillip, or Chris from ghost island. This just to name a few men from survivor with overconfidence in themselves and these overconfident people much of time make the biggest moves because of there confidence which creates good tv and then they also fail a lot creating interesting blindsided and characters to laugh at like: Coach, Phillip, or Chris, these people lighten the mood and as this is like real life can remind you of people who are to confident and crazy. On the other side the best Women player are almost always great at making connections with those they vote out and manipulating people into thinking they have control when in all actually the Women has control. These slight manipulations lead to a less in your face interesting to a casual viewer strategy, that means some of the “worse winners” in the viewers eyes are women who manipulated others: Sophie, Natalie, Michelle, amber. In Three of these four cases the women Winner defeated the Most popular, and dominating character of the season strategically to the Viewers eye. Natalie let Russell be upfront and rude, while she made bonds with the people she voted out, they all came to hate Russell and she won, effectively tricking Russell into thinking he was going to win. With Sophie she knew Coach was full of himself and let him take credit for many moves making people mad at him, when much of it was her idea, effectively beating Coach by making him look like the villain, but also taking his respect by undermining his choices. Or you have amber who developed a relationship with the possibly most upfront player ever in Rob, winning because he was the Villain even though she works with him. Because of men’s overconfidence the editors make them the main characters as they lose being overconfident and women go under the radar manipulating socially for wins being ignored by editors, when they are good players, because most casual fans only appreciate consistently big moves, even if there bad ones.

[@shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655]

Intresting

[@basebald4251]

You should do a video on cau boi from survivor Cook Islands where he invented the split vote

[@jacobymatt1767]

He did obscure survivor players of invented strategies

[@rowanmoon]

I'd gladly watch an entire season-worth of Coach. A screen hog, but a worthy one.

[@katal003]

14:16 "unseen before or since" this is kim spradlin erasure and i will not stand for it

[@landonweaver1040]

The funny thing is Russell would have won redemption island and be on this list THREE times if he was on the other tribe

[@Suztvfan]

Don't think so. I think that Zapetera wouldn't lose on purpose if Rob was on their tribe. Rob can be an asset in a tribe where Russel isn't.

[@cdawg4021]

@@Suztvfan Really? Given how quickly the Zapatera 6 we're eager to throw a challenge to get rid of Russell I thought they would do the same to Rob as he played a great game in S4 and S8.

[@random_jae5886]

@@cdawg4021 I think of they believed Rob was loyal to their tribe, they'd avoid doing that. They only felt comfortable throwing out Russell because "He's not our number" at the merge

[@johnathankorkie4984]

@Random _Jae yes because Russell would totally flip to "checks notes" Boston Rob. God that season is awful

[@atufbrandbusiness3581]

@@johnathankorkie4984 let alone the fun fact that Russell is pretty loyal, he rides his alliances to the end. He only turned on Danielle in HvV after Parvati unnecessarily hid the 2nd Idol from him and that snowballed in him being more and more paranoid about their relationship, but outside of that he isn't jumping alliances like Tony for example. People hate him so much on twitter that they legit rewrite history, lol.

[@kingkrelly1315]

Twisted Metal Black was amazing. "It wasn't an exorcism. It was a Baptism!" - Preacher

[@sideeswipe]

They should re-edit redemption island to focus on, as Jeff put it, the young beautiful strategist Nat Ten

[@icecreamchick45]

Honestly a little suprised that Sugar isn't on this list. I feel like in Gabon, Sugar became the main character for most of the game due to her idol and being the main person making strategic plays

[@wyattfrost9221]

Survivor Tocantis is a perfect season. 10/10 recommend watching

[@joecoolberry911]

Yup definitely my favorite season. Everyone is likable yet there is a lot of strategy and just solid entertainment

[@jacobcurnett4367]

I think danger dave is a super fun character. Bummed I didn't get to see more of him

[@justinpascal8332]

can you do a season ranking

[@420schmokey420]

coach i have to say became one of my favorites.he wasn't during his first season. maybe it was the reunion. i don't remember

[@boomcar61]

Cesternino is a surprise but a pleasant one. He could be a screen hog every season and it wouldn't bother me. He is effortlessly entertaining.

[@NYChica23]

Up until this list, I never saw him as a screen hog, because he was just so funny while delivering his confessionals and didn't come across as showboating for the cameras the way other screen hogs like Devens did

[@abbyrose6660]

i never noticed the weird angle that they used in the amazon confessions... and im honestly surprised that ben and rick didnt get a spot here, though i suppose their content didnt really peak until the merge. though i definitely wasnt surprised to see rob and russell as one and two.

[@hannahjaffe6402]

I bet there would be more women on this list if there was at least one woman editor lmfao... lets see if anything changes

[@IdoledOut]

Let's hope! Aubry in KR, Stephenie in Guatemala and Palau, and Cirie in Micronesia and Exile Island were the only women (other than Kathy) who even came close. I think they're serious about the diversity initiatives they're implementing, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

[@moh-ss7zc]

@@IdoledOut 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼

[@jessehenry7847]

This is my new favorite channel. Thank you💙😂

[@LitlaCrank]

11:25 "dad trying to use the facetime camera angle" god my sides

[@loganslife3901]

JT’s game ending move in HvV is brilliant if it works because he doesn’t know how Russell plays at the time and he already saw Parvati win and dominate with an all women alliance taking out all the men

[@rilenaveen5695]

I like JT but I think he gets a lot of credit for strategy that should go to Steven.

[@SurvivorJoshua]

David from AU walks in

[@IdoledOut]

AU All-Stars editing was so frustrating

[@SurvivorJoshua]

@@IdoledOut tell me about it haha

[@snuffed7879]

@@IdoledOut AU Survivor editing is frustrating in general. How did Sammy get no confessionals despite appearing in 7 episodes (each being 90-120min long)!!!

[@Delective]

@@snuffed7879 Exactly, while Mat had so much screentime despite being a pre-merge boot

[@animeluver22ful]

@@snuffed7879 How can one of the OG villain in Flippity Flick get a purple edit? Such blasphemy.

[@worthplayingfor2197]

0:23 I can't tell if that was a joke sigh or an editing oversight 😝

[@alphahunterd]

"drinking the kool aid" lols

[@ladyburnside1201]

Holding a feather headdress over your head, come on Rob, you should have practiced this at home. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ladyburnside1201]

I’m slowly introducing Survivor to my reality TV hating husband…I started with BvBvB because JTia, Tony, Woo, Chaos Cass, Spencer, Trish-I mean season GOLD. Is it too soon to introduce Coach or Phillip??

[@andrecanton7591]

You should do the most confessionals each season. The highest confessionals of the man and woman per season

[@littleratfella6857]

He'S lItErAlLy CaRrYiNg HiS fAMiLy On HiS bAcK!@!@! What a waste that season was.

[@jordiejohnson6370]

It’s nice to think that Sandra has won twice and isn’t on this list ..: and Parvati near won twice and isn’t here neither ... yet, Men dominate this list because they are considered “strategic” ...

[@mnm1273]

Isn't it because they are more flashy? It's not the best player who gets the most screen time it's the craziest one (although they still have to be relatively successfull)..

[@jacobwilliams1223]

@@mnm1273 I would call JT in Tocantins a lot of things, "flashy" is not one of them. Sandra and Parvati not being here is a crime. Whether Survivor admits it or not they have a big male bias.

[@charlieradant]

Coach was the greatest character of 1 season all time imo. If you don't like coach then fine but he's one of my favorite characters of all time

[@chloejames1130]

Tony played such a masterful game

[@Earlsweatpantch]

Video idea : Top survivor players who would have the best chance to win big brother

[@NYChica23]

I'd put Cesternino and Sandra near the top of that list

[@justinlokere]

This is the earliest I’ve been!

[@judyggluten-free6423]

Me too

[@theeverythingchannel9389]

Are we just not going to realize that Tocantins had the worst camps ever.

[@ultimatepro13]

Who was the other perfect game you referenced when talking about JT?

[@ligonsmom]

Don’t forget Earl Cole. He was the best and first perfect game winner.

[@mnm1273]

@@ligonsmom no he didn't play the first perfect game. He got 1 vote against in a tribal council.

[@sssamui286]

Cochran in Caramoan

[@SB-jq8jj]

Where does he find how many confessionals each person has per season?

[@loynco9299]

On Survivor sucks. There is one thread that has every season conf count. You can also google the season you want ex "Survivor Ghost Island confessional count" and you'll get it

[@oneofthe12sionmains70]

If Danger Dave and the Russel seeds teamed up, the entire cast of Samoa would get ripped a new one

[@chrisscheibel6198]

What spot did Rick Devens come in?

[@IdoledOut]

He's not even top 20, which shocked me! I think he's at 22. The people closest to making the cut were Ben, Todd, Cochran in FVF, and Mike Holloway, all of whom had 16ish % of the confessionals.

[@leom7649]

Devens was on the edge for a few episodes so he got less screentime premerge.

[@maybe6604]

@@IdoledOut omg! Seriously, women, POC, and LGBTQIA people cannot catch a break! And when they do get an edit, it’s overtly negative!

[@todoroni1327]

it suprised me that Joe Anglim isnt on this list, hes gotten so many confessionals too

[@lucillebrooks6952]

Please do a video about the worst challenge throws!! And one about the most bitter juries!!

[@igorsteinberg3533]

And the video ended with the man, the legend, DAVE BALL!!!

[@kat8559]

Nitpick, but i'm not sure woo was guaranteed a win against kass

[@Lotus_RT]

Woo was guaranteed to win against Kass in Cagayan. Multiple things justify this to be the outcome as well. - Kass herself knew she was never going to win in Cagayan (she herself knew that the jury would never vote for her). - Jeff took a jury poll at Cagayan's reunion to see who would vote for Woo/Kass. 8/9, including Tony, said they'd vote for Woo.

[@NYChica23]

@@Lotus_RT Jury polls are questionable, because all those are done after the contestants have watched the season play out on TV, so not the same as when they're voting in real time. And Kass did say that Woo wasn't well liked on the tribe due to the rumors of him stealing food from production and keeping it for himself, earning him the nickname Weasel Woo

[@moonie1825]

@@NYChica23 she can say that but we know kass was not well liked. Sarah hated her, morgan hated her, spencer hated her, tasha hated her, trish hated her, tony hated her, jeremy hated her. There was no way any of them would have voted for kass and woo would have gotten more respect for finally taking tony out instead of being tony's lapdog and then literally bringing him to victory.

[@jaehurd3524]

Using this video for my essay.

[@georgestafford7843]

Did I miss something, where was Devens?

[@RidingWithRuffian]

I also believe Russell received more confessionals because his game play was not only entertaining but revolutionary for the game of Survivor. Russell was the first survivor to find not only one but multiple hidden immunity idols without clues (Gary had an idea of where the idol was in Guatemala based on Judd looking in the trees) and played a game that was so shocking, strategic, and simply unheard of at the time. Russell even said in one of his KZbin videos that one of the producers (I don't recall the name exactly) said something similar to "You saved this show." I've re-watched Survivor Samoa several times but I just can't understand or see why anyone would vote for a player to win simply because she was likable person instead of a player who dominated the game with hidden immunity idols and played an incredible strategic game on paper (bitter much?)

[@kellydaunis]

Thank you. Natalie winning is an insult to Survivor.

[@maybe6604]

The reason you don’t understand it is the same reason Russell lost both times because he didn’t understand it either. You have to play to the jury you have and not the jury you think you should have. Outwit and outlast don’t mean a damn thing if you don’t out play! Part of the game play is relationships; the players that fail to recognize that historically lose, just ask Russell.

[@NYChica23]

It's extremely easy to understand why Russell lost and Natalie won...all one really has to do to get the point is to not focus on the flashy moves/idol plays Russell made and instead concentrate on his interactions with the people he played with. If you've ever read the book How to Win Friends and Influence People, applying all of the principles in there to your Survivor game will go a long way, because ultimately, the key to winning is to know how to read your jury and tailor your game accordingly. If you have a jury who's mostly going to value strategic play, be bold and out there and make the power plays, but if your jury is leaning more towards valuing social game, then take the time to get to know/have conversations with the people you're putting on the jury, and don't treat them like chess pieces that you can just put away or toss to the side when you have no use for them

[@chasewillett6067]

Wait, so no one knew who russel was on HvV because it aired after it was filmed

[@mnm1273]

Russel was in two series in a row. HvV was the second. The first one hadn't yet aired when they were filming.

[@Suztvfan]

Yup, which is like he said a huge advantage. They only knew he was a villain but not his gameplay. So, yeah if they knew how he played I don't think he would have gotten third. I think he would be voted out third instead of Randy.

[@poverty9696]

the lack of women 😫😫

[@aperson22222]

Too bad you didn’t think of percentage of a season’s confessionals for the least visible players too. In retrospect it really is a superior measure.

[@petermcgill3405]

Not really for invisibility because then we end up with only early boots.

[@aperson22222]

@@petermcgill3405 You could make it a share of confessionals in episodes prior to someone’s boot.

[@vincent6718]

Is there a certain website that you use to see all the confessionals?

[@loynco9299]

In survivor sucks there is a thread where there are the charts of every season. You can also search "survivor X confessional count" and you'll get it

[@vincent6718]

@@loynco9299 Thank you!

[@survivorturnover]

rad content

[@ilikualot7546]

IM GONNA NEED A BIGGER TORCH

[@loganslife3901]

Ozzy?

[@zeaferjones1404]

Jerri and Parvati had a lot of screen time for the females.

[@markjackson6431]

15:35 but he made number 9 on your list, not 8

[@carsbrad977]

Top 3 players ever 1:Tony 2:Boston rob 3:Russell Hantz any day

[@loynco9299]

No.

[@kimayaivy7347]

no

[@ilikualot7546]

No

[@carsbrad977]

Than whats yours

[@andrecanton7591]

Coach makes me sick 😷

[@mariatangled]

rob is the luckiest survivor player. Its kind of annoying actually

[@cdawg4021]

And you don't think that for Michelle in Kaoh Rong or now Erika from Survivor 41?

[@gray_7]

Cesternino 😻

[@HH-dw1in]

Was Steve's pants ripped?

[@KaseyRacem]

Honestly surprised Tony from winners at war wasn't hear

[@Behyui]

Several

[@misfit2989]

A lotta robs here

[@blairsy77]

It's all good the producers are trying to make the show entertaining, not appease the snowflakes.

[@aperson22222]

The problem with Rob C is that he used his platform to be horribly sexist.

[@thegamingpanda8621]

He was leaning in to theme

[@spammail06]

Fortunately, back when it originally aired people had the ability to understand context and took it as humor so it was a non issue. I'm glad that in this video he specifically points out that Rob C "never came off as mean spirited".

[@moh-ss7zc]

Survivor really is a microcosm for society, it baffles me ALL THE TIME seeing the sexist,homophobic, and racist norms in the old seasons...😔To forward progress!!!!!!!!🤞🏼

[@maybe6604]

@@moh-ss7zc sadly not just in the old seasons.

[@moh-ss7zc]

@@maybe6604 yeah I would say there are a lot more micro aggressions, and subtle racially ignorant or homophobic things in more recent seasons. But in old seasons some people did not try to hide their ignorances AT ALL. Which is pretty much how society has changed in the last two decades. Granted there are people who are blatantly bigoted but those are fewer and farer between than they used to be. Nowadays it’s “I’m not homophobic but that gay guy better not look at me funny” “I’m not racist but every black person in poverty is a thug and dangerous” “I’m not sexist but I only know how to respect men and every woman I meet must work 10x as hard to earn it”

[@YellowFalse]

A commentary season like Boston Rob and Sandra, but with Russell Hantz and the edit makes him look like he still doesn't understand social game and never predicting the right vote offs and why. Ultimately ending with him be confused at how the winner got to become the winner as his cohost tries to break it down to him to no avail.

[@moonie1825]

Russel didn't know because in his best 2 seasons he was playing back to back, he didn't know that he had lost samoa so he just played the exact same way for heroes vs villians. The idea being they are going to respect my game and vote for me again like in samoa.

[@stephanieparker5049]

Coach worst actor ever🤢🤮gross

[@troyevans9931]

slay

[@maybe6604]

The survivor producers sure do have a type; if you’re a cis white male with an ego the size of Texas who would probably sell his mother for a few dollars but some how is also just a kind family man then you will get the most inflated edits ever. Not surprisingly there isn’t a woman, POC, or LGBTQ person in sight. Do better survivor; your maintenance of the status quo is nauseating. I will say that I don’t mind Rob C. and he kinda breaks the toxic mold on the list.

[@theman1213]

I new rob would be here

[@josephmeeks240]

knew*

[@lincolnyoung8198]

*knew

[@carsbrad977]

Well no duh

[@theman1213]

Who knew rob would be here

[@josephmeeks240]

knew*

[@lincolnyoung8198]

*knew

[@NYChica23]

Everyone who's watched any of his seasons, because even in Marquesas, he still got quite a few memorable confessionals in

[@thebigboofer3826]

I do honestly believe Tony and Woo agreed secretly to split the money. That’s why Woo took Tony. Because I believe they both agreed to split the million regardless and he either had a guaranteed half million or a chance at getting nothing. No one is stupid and even if you watch Woo play again you understand he is not this stupid. There is no way there wasn’t some type of agreement between both of them.

[@kellydaunis]

Players are NOT allowed to split the money. Tony would've had to forfeit the money if he conspired to give half to Woo. It's been a rule since the first season.

[@berouja]

1 would probably be Russell Hantz. 🤢

[@cranberrymarvin9446]

Pog we early

[@zachminder8084]

Russell is literally the best player to never win

[@apecentury228]

yeah back-to-back final tribals, idol plays, controlling tribes. Did Cirie do those things? uh....no

[@carsbrad977]

100%

[@carsbrad977]

People say Russels mean but he is one of the best players ever and survivor isn't about making friends

[@adamsbriee6330]

It’s cirie 100%. Because unlike Russell, shed win if she got to the final 3. Yeah Russell actually did get there, but as a goat 🐐

[@zachminder8084]

@@adamsbriee6330 I'll admit, Russell isn't the most savory or liked character; for obvious reasons, but he got to the end by amazing strategic gameplay and by having power over his tribe. The game isn't about making friends. People should respect that he actually got to end and not be salty because they'd like to be in his position. Definitely not by being a goat.