If Cybersecurity is so in demand, why is it hard to find a job?

[@nicoleenesse]

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[@DudeSoWin]

"Entry is a Level" Just keep those illiterate Bird People away from the Code. Before they design a house without doors and start laying eggs where they poop at. They will fly south for winter, just be sure they don't attempt to hatch your head.

[@dennisreynolds9202]

Is cyber security analyst and Cyber Security SOC the something?

[@daomingjin]

if you have a cyber security job and you don't know what Nmap is.... you've already washed up LOL

[@AnthonyMcqueen1987]

No thanks HTB is all i need most boot camps are BS and they are all the same no matter what catchy slangs people say.

[@dennisreynolds9202]

@AnthonyMcqueen1987 yeah, I left my 6 year job to join a bootcamp. Finish the bootcamp and now I still don't have a career. But I have certification.

[@hersdera]

Unemployment is an odd concept in an economy where for so many folks it’s necessary to work multiple jobs just to get by. Loose one and you’re counted as employed but suddenly don’t have enough money to live.

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[@Hand_me_a_handle]

What I'm looking at from afar is that the whole IT industry has evolved to charging all wannabes for Certifications and KZbin selling classes to get the certifications that aren't gonna get anyone any jobs. It's all bs.

[@clintmuschamp7469]

I was a system admin for 10 years, and was willing to take a step back financially and live in a state most were unwilling to live in, so I could transition into cyber security. Once I had a year on the job, I accepted offers for better pay and full-time remote work. I've had three different cyber jobs in five years.

[@qatarworldcupwinnermessi]

​@@damian8mac8It is good for learning, but if you're planning to use only that as grounds to get a job, good luck. Maybe if you're good looking or have charisma, it can work for you. But, you're better off knowing someone.

[@nathanhudkins]

try Google Cybersecurity cert first, should be a little easier and then move into some projects related to the niche you want that you can put on your resume as well @@damian8mac8

[@xCheddarB0b42x]

@@damian8mac8 Yes, as Security+ gets you through the HR filter. To beat the other candidates, however, you need to grow a core of hands on experience, typically in a home lab environment.

[@ey5373]

HIre me! Dobby wants a full time remote work job!

[@takethedamnphoto]

Is it everything you hoped it would be?

[@garrettkensler451]

The best way to find a job in Cybersecurity is not trying to get a Cybersecurity job. Pretty much all the people who are in Cybersecurity just fell into it by chance and didn't really set out to get a job in it.

[@JohnCutter317]

Thats the worst part every influencer story is random barely sound technical and randomly fell into free splunk training or something. They also all have degrees military history etc

[@TFADETV]

Very terrible advice! I know people who break in every month into cybersecurity. You just have to be the best & want it that bad

[@garrettkensler451]

@@TFADETV Exactly, you definitely have to want it bad if you are not well connected. You have to want it so bad that you are willing to look at a computer for 12 hours everyday for the rest of your life and cancel every holiday with your family, if you have a family. This industry is perfect for people with no families and spouse I guess.

[@sunmand6136]

@@garrettkensler451 Yup, this! upvoted you. The sad truth that no one wants to talk about. People think working in Technology, cybersecurity or anything else is so easy that a simple cert would get you in. Even if you are in are you ready to put in the work?

[@dropdeadfredd1709]

Or know someone who can get you into a job.

[@randomuser1105]

I abandoned trying to get a job in this field because too many games are played. I don't have time for this and I have bills to pay.

[@austinb3560]

I’m not in cybersecurity but employers literally expect years of experience immediately after we graduate. Like damn give me a chance

[@pae242002]

I'm in the same position

[@cyberzombie038]

IT as a whole is pretty much like that now. There's even ads for lv.1 help desk asking for yrs of exp in server/cloud administration.

[@austinb3560]

@@cyberzombie038 I got my masters in Marketing (Data) Management and I literally can’t get a job.

[@nathanscarlett4772]

Which is ridiculous, but also, you don't really need a college degree to get into IT. Or at least you shouldn't need one.

[@thejohnbeck]

the first job was the hardest for me to get as well. and for lots of people

[@bark2931]

I went helpdesk->desktop support->network admin->combo roll(of the former)->security analyst. By the time I made the switch I was an mcse and ccna plus a couple entry level security certs. What motivated me was working with the security team on projects (and a family to feed). Eventually 3-4 of us went down and took the CISSP together. Horrible test, lol. GL to those making the journey.

[@daomingjin]

That probably took 10 years to get to that CSSIP point as well.

[@NeoKurow]

I did the same but got CISM instead because I'm a jack of all trades in my current job but I'm unable to switch to a full cybersecurity job..

[@SagRising19]

Great video and tips, especially the resume breakdown. Personally, I completed a cyber security program, acquired my Security+ and accepted a IT help desk role with an MSSP. A few months later, my team decided they needed a Risk & Compliance person and I had previous experience in documentation & audits and here I am-I kept advocating for myself and always showed up and my manager took notice.

[@nicoleenesse]

Nice work!

[@SagRising19]

@@nicoleenesse Thank you!

[@mikeavila6921]

Best way to get a cyber security job. Is get any IT job. Once you get a job spend a few years emphasizing security tasked. Then put those first on a resume. Thats what i did. Worked twice.

[@bobwright8789]

It makes no sense how a college education wouldn't prepare you for your chosen career. Especially considering the price tag some of the degrees carry.

[@luisvilla799]

As a teacher I come to the realization that college doesn’t prepare you for a career or job it’s to get a useless education two different things

[@penultimania4295]

It makes perfect sense because it's the real world lol

[@ibrokemyownheart4953]

I will never do help desk, that’s like working fast food but for tech

[@Lemurai]

The best bet is a gov/military contractor as a first job, such as Honeywell, Lockheed, Boeing, Northrop Grumman or Battelle Labs. They usually scoop up fresh souls out of college or technical training. They also pay well & for some, they have postings overseas in line with the military’s mission I know plenty of folks that went overseas & never came back🤷‍♂️ one old co-worker had been in Japan for 30 years another had & raised all 5 of their children in Italy, so there’s definitely opportunities to be had out there. I had the same problem when I was a new engineering grad, I’ve since transitioned over to computer science however, what I’ve noticed across the board, the two categories of job opportunities that are in demand are some kind of field involving computers/networking/security or medicine that’s pretty much what the market has come down to.

[@cipher315198]

Cyber security manager here: This is all completely correct. You want to work as a T1 SoC at my company? Move to Poland because that's were we have out sourced it. Red team? Don't even bother applying. We want 5-7 years experience in a related field for a entry level position. Software development experience is ALWAYS a plus. Cloud architecture and engineering is HOT right now. If you have non security experience in software development on the cloud you can come in any time you want. Know what your going for and be qualified for that specific job. I moved from general software development into security software development, by writing automated scans for cloud deployments that ensured that the cloud object were configured to our security guide lines. This my first job was not even really security related it was just writing software (What I was doing before) for the security people.

[@BPTtech]

Btw, started as a cable guy, moved into the data center, did a bit of everything there. I now work two remote jobs doing SRE/DevOps with TC about $500k, and I have no degree.

[@danloyer6241]

I find it funny for most IT jobs asking 3 to 5 years of experience for entry level jobs, the idea for entry level is to help you get into the field.

[@RST94]

Honestly, timing and who you know is what gets you in. And what you know will keep you there. The reality of the situation, is that cybersecurity has blown up over the years, because it was easily enticing to people who wanted 6 figure salaries and there being this over advertised need for over “3 million+ cyber roles” (most being mid-senior level). Now, you have people with only A+ and network+ certs to their name flooding the application market. If you got in prior to COVID, it was easier to get your foot in the door

[@nicoleenesse]

Eh, most don't really care about 6 figures

[@ianjamesii7044]

​@@nicoleenesseI'm not most

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

@@ianjamesii7044it's an arbitrary number. Doesn't mean anything in some locations where you can still struggle on that level of income.

[@kyshawntv6285]

@@ianjamesii7044Then I’d suggest a different career lolll

[@SagRising19]

This ‼️

[@laverdadbuscador]

Employers want skilled workers at unskilled worker pay. It's really that simple.

[@TheWizardjones]

It’s probably because of 2020-2021, “Dude, bro, six figs in cyber security. No experience bruh. Buy my course dude, bro.” Then there being examples of someone who worked at Mcdonald's making 15.00$ an hour now making six figs. Gotta love it. I am a little salty because of all the dumb help desk jobs I had to do to get where I am now.

[@kairoswave]

Cybersecurity IS so in demand...BUT only to experienced people. Cybersecurity is not noob / entry level friendly. build some skills from help desk or support and then you can get into the field, but if you have no idea how to configure a siem, no idea what owasp top 10 is, and zero idea in how to use linux, you may want to start entry level in help desk or support first.

[@sailormars20]

This is great info. But than again, the key here is : Experience. Chances are, people entering the field or having 1 year of SOC are not going to be considered for Security Engineering position. Im in a SOC and am facing this issue. I’m plagued with mass of notables that are all the same false positives. And it’s easy to get stuck in this position unless you stay learning and upping your skill set. Cloud security is huge and what I’m trying to push for.

[@reiserkeiser]

Ha you'd be lucky if you could even get one year of SOC experience

[@SMOKEY428]

You have any experience prior to SOC ?

[@daomingjin]

would you hire someone that has no certificates other than Offensive Security? Most companies or employers are really deathly afraid of anyone with these skills. It's probably because they know they legally screw employees over because that's how corporate culture works but people with these skills have the ability to screw the corporation so hard they will potentially loose hundreds of millions overnight. I keep up on my cybersecurity skills but i found that if i put any of my skillsets on my resume i get about 80% less companies contacting me for employment opportunities. That final 20% that are left, most of them basically just contact me because they "really wanted to meet someone with these skills". They have no intention of potentially hiring me they just wanted to meet someone who they feel is legend. I don't consider myself as leet, but i guess in a world where some people think that mastering HTML5 is a black art i suppose i might come off as that.

[@stubstunner]

@@daomingjinwhat are you talking about

[@johnportugal5589]

The guy is delusional. Probably a script kiddie🙄

[@trblmkr5139]

SHE WAS SPITTIN THE WHOlE TIME!!!!! This is the most practical advice I've ever gotten!

[@dummyahh8470]

I’m glad real influencers and people are telling ppl hey you need to slow down. Bc no way you have no experience trying to break in. You will need to build the skills. Your also decreasing the salaries too. GREAT INFOOO

[@Taino300]

This is hands down the best entry cybersecurity advice! Thank you. I've been self-employed for 25 years as a computer repair and home networking expert. 3 months ago I decided to go for cybersecurity. I thought it was going to be easy for me to get into CS. It's been 3 months of rejection. Aiming for a CS higher skill makes sense. Thank you

[@nicoleenesse]

Thanks for sharing!

[@daomingjin]

you need to be able to hack GSM, Wifi, bluetooth and iOT stuff to be worth your weight. Wireless hacking and data exfiltration is where it's at.

[@Taino300]

​@@daomingjinThank you for sharing your thoughts. I've worked with Kali before just to have a glimpse of what an ethical hacker and a mal-intentioned hacker do. This is inspiring. Thank you!

[@father5946]

@@daomingjin I thought you were being sarcastic at first but damn lol Employers really be wanting all that for just an entry-level position is crazy.

[@JoshMadakor]

This is a great video. I totally agree about the SOC Analyst saturation 😂🎉

[@nicoleenesse]

Glad you liked it!! Means a lot Josh

[@Random_Identity]

I think it should be noted the seniority levels listed on A LOT of openings posted on linkedin are often incorrect. It’s not just within cybersecurity, it’s across also fields. Just because it’s posted as entry level doesn’t mean it is.

[@qatarworldcupwinnermessi]

They do that so they can lower the pay for senior level work.

[@froedge]

1. Because most of the in demand jobs you hear about are government jobs which require certain specifications to be considered for (clearance, sec+, etc.) 2. Outside of the government, its a combination of delusional HR managers and disgustingly bad startups that can't afford to hire but want their current employees to move Mount Rushmore. 3. Most applicants want money and what is trendy and don't actually know anything about the IT field, let alone the cybersecurity field. 4. We have the "Biden Special" job market right now TLDR : It's a shithole from every angle imaginable x)

[@SMOKEY428]

Buck fiden

[@wack_]

Got manufacturing experience? Study the Purdue Model along with your cybersec journey. Then branch into the expanding OT Security field. Yes OT (Operational Technology). Lots of growing demand, barely any applicants, there is no degree program for it.

[@test12382]

Can you provide evidence?

[@Elucidus4]

The resume part is a great point. Tailor your resume to showcase what you've done vs where you want to be, show that growth. Even better get those specialized skills, Cloud Security, AppSec, and GRC are great examples.

[@mdavis3262]

The STEM field being in demand was overhype…thats why I got into nursing

[@christianpolytechnique7404]

I worked in identity access management as a contractor for 12 years.Any cybersecurity positon especially senior positions pays good but very demanding.After a while,I stepped down cause as you get older and this is just me, wanted something more relaxed and not that huge stress on my shoulders. Yes there's a lot of demand cause there's a lot of people applying for the positions. So if you have a couple of certs in your chosen field it'll give you a boost against other people.

[@daomingjin]

if you want lower stress, found a company that primarily produces attack tools. That's where the money is at.

[@Zippyser]

Got a question mate what was stressful about the position if you don't mind me asking?

[@Flyinghotpocket]

There is no entry cybersecurity job. You start your cybersecurity career on the back of 5+ years experience actually doing something.

[@reiserkeiser]

Fastest and most efficient way is doing some type of military reserve (Air Force, Army, doesnt matter) in a networking or cyber role. You'll get training, a Top Sceret clearance, and a MUCH easier path to work cybersecurity in the civilian world. You'll only drill 2-4 days a month. Thats nothing. Yet everybody is so scared of military service. Well if you want in the field as badly as you say, this path is almost a guarantee.

[@sexyma2486]

Exactly! I'm joining as an Officer in the Navy, Cryptologic Warfare Officer. Only route I see at this point 😏

[@qatarworldcupwinnermessi]

​@@sexyma2486You don't even have to finish. If you're really a sexy ma, tell the interviewer you are well rounded and job is yours.

[@Me-eb3wv]

@@qatarworldcupwinnermessi😂

[@sexyma2486]

@@qatarworldcupwinnermessi 🤣😂

[@Youonlyloseyourself]

I love that you point this out. I genuinely think that individuals who are trying to get into this field NEEDS to do an analysis on this broad field and directly look at what everyone is doing then, reverse engineer their approach and I know it will work. Because that is what I did/doing and it’s working! Everyone is doing this one thing and not knowing that’s why it’s hard to stand out! Don’t reinvent the wheel but be unique and “think”

[@Youonlyloseyourself]

Also I have been looking into application security but I work as a information system security specialist and just landed another job which is cloud based and I’ve never done cloud stuff before but here goes.

[@sfaaf05]

I need to understand how you did that. I have 20 years of IT tecnical experience but when it comes to breaking into the Cybersecuirty field it feels like, I am a person that never been into IT at all. I would love to hear how you position yourself for cloud security engineering position without have direct experience in it. I missed out on an internal cloud engineering opportunity even though I have AWS and Azure cloud certification but kept thinking I don't have cloud security engineering certification so I shouldn't even apply. If you don't mind, please do share your approach

[@Youonlyloseyourself]

@@sfaaf05 hey just getting to your post but a couple things I had to realize real hard and fast is that because you have a certificate doesn’t mean you will land a job. I am really keen on that and the sooner you realize this the sooner you’ll land that job. Just as a mentioned do not do what everyone is doing be unique about your approach. I remember everyone was against applying from DOD positions but not having a IAT 2 cert but I got in without it learned as much and was given x amount of time to earn one of my choice IAT level 2 or 3. You should be more than able to get you a job in this field keep going good luck

[@backasswards5250]

For someone like myself just starting in getting my Cybersecurity certs, this information in incredibly valuable

[@123samat]

The thumbnail is fake and meta never posted that tweet.

[@drunkinmonkieez]

It is damn near impossible to get anything.

[@Gaming_Antics]

The economy is tank for over 6 years now, college graduates are working high school degree level jobs now, America cannot keep up with professional jobs growth and companies are still shipping jobs overseas.

[@first001]

Yeah and yet this is kept out of the news and we are gaslit about a good job market

[@mypassportpicsux]

“You only need enough knowledge to solve the problem”. Droppin’ gems!! 💎 it’s a critique that’s so succinct a majority of influencers and gurus overlook this. In my journey that’s what I’m finding. Recruiters and interviewers want to know how your approach a real life scenario and how much security chaos you’ve encountered, via masochiststic VMware vulnerability lab or irl scenario. The more exposure you have the more you can share in the interviews.

[@egregiousblunder5395]

Because any company with a robust SOC team wants folks with ridiculous amounts of experience, knowledge, certifications, education and so on for entry level positions for the cheapest price possible. You want to be a network forensic investigator? Best have 10 years of experience minimum a masters degree, and about a dozen certs. Same for incidence response, pen testing, risk management and so on. Nobody has spots or wants someone with that 1-3 years and Sec+. Oh, and you better be able to write in C+, Java, Python at a minimum too and be an expert in SEIM tools of flavors and be willing to work for less than 50k.

[@a.k.infinity1502]

Update: Application security applications have shot through the roof since this video.

[@nicoleenesse]

ahahahahahahhahaha

[@jlady89]

Great video, Nicole! I found your suggestions very very helpful and applicable for MANY jobs a career changer is trying to land. I especially appreciated your resume comparison point. I will be sure to focus on what I contributed or notable things I did rather than just listing the basic tasks of the job. I never thought about how the resume itself can make someone appear like a beginner!

[@nicoleenesse]

You're so welcome!

[@maurice2014]

It helps having relatives that work for Apple and Lockheed Martin 😈

[@xialindragon]

One big piece of critique: How do you get an entry level position without having entry level roles already on ur resume? It seems you had several IT roles so sayings “this resume with over 10 years of experience” got me a role that asked for 10 years of exp

[@daomingjin]

you need to get a degree, you need to start off in Helpdesk/IT support and then over the course of about 10 years you will need to do every CS certification training the company will pay for (or that you can afford and they give you time off of work for) and then in about 10 years you can get an entry level position doing CS. You need a longass list of Corporate certifications before you get that job.

[@roguephilosopher2465]

@@daomingjin this is the number one reason why I will never think about doing cybersecurity as a career. I rather do it for it fun that loose a decade of my life to do something that doesn’t do good for others. Originally wanted to do cybersecurity to help others but it’s a bad idea because you don’t really help anyone until you’re old or a genius. I’m a criminology major, no one will ever hire me. OSInt will, love info

[@christinefury1040]

Because there are 50 people applying for one job

[@hananonihongo]

Only 50? Most jobs I see are over 100 within first 24 hours!

[@jlprescott7243]

Just be a bad guy or wear a black hat. Crime does pay. Cheers!

[@novabcaine10]

Its all about networking and relationships. I completed a cyber security program and more than half of the ppl in the program had a job with in a month

[@SchoolforHackers]

The university where I taught until recently eliminated computer security courses. There was almost no student demand, and even the recruiters that wanted my students have closed up shop. This is not in Podunk; it’s in Albuquerque, NM, which is packed with government and private tech firms. This field is not what it seems.

[@florenbaron7111]

I love seeing women who use their mind to add value instead of using their b:ody to make money. Much respect.

[@chudchadanstud]

This, I pretty add vids like those in the not interested section.

[@malwareman9443]

My problem is imposter syndrome, but not for IT, rather Cybersecurity. I have a Bachelors, and will be pursuing a Masters in a few months (both tech degrees). The CompTIA trifecta, AWS CCP, Project+, and will be getting CCNA eventually. I have about a year of IT experience and the more I study Cybersecurity, the more I realize how difficult it actually is in comparison in terms of knowledge.

[@xCheddarB0b42x]

This is the mind tricking itself. I liken aggressive learning to exploring a set of interconnected rooms. The first room has one door. You open it and peep inside. "Oh wow, this room is kinda small like a broom closet, but all three walls have other doors leading to three more rooms!" You open one of those doors, and inside is a living-room sized room with five or seven other doors leading elsewhere. During aggressive learning, our mental horizon is expanding, the set of known unknowns constantly enbiggening, deceiving us into believing that we know less now than we did yesterday due to the distorted and growing ratio of unknowns to knowns. Today, we know more clearly what we don't know more than we did yesterday, hence the mental discomfort. You can deliberately think your way out of it. Just think back to yesterday, last week, last month, and last year, and deliberately recall what you did not know then that you do know now. This Imposter Syndrome is pernicious, but it can be defeated. Keep charging!

[@natemoses3940]

You will be OK. I've been a Cyber Security professional for 12 years. I was even in cyber warfare for the government. I also have imposter syndrome, but when a breach happens, I see why they keep me around.

[@malwareman9443]

@@natemoses3940 Makes sense. I just feel like it would probably be easier to do something in between help desk and cyber, then pivot over later. But what that middle step is, I do not know.

[@malwareman9443]

Thanks.@@muadhnate

[@xCheddarB0b42x]

@@malwareman9443 Typically, the middle step is junior network admin, network admin, sysadmin, however, the supply pipeline got so constricted that it couldn't keep up with security demand. This is why you can pick up "just enough" network admin knowledge on a home LAN to make yourself palatable enough to hiring managers who are desperately thirsty to fill security roles.

[@C-Thunder]

Not to be a downer here but, it's already a matter of time until AI begins to take away some of these cyber security jobs. This is why I already gave up in pursuing a cyber security career.

[@nordythenorthman]

My previous role lasted 6 months because I was fired and it was an entry level role. Can’t quantify a resume with that little experience and at a junior position.

[@Tezcati]

I got in through an internship with my college. Luckily it was working for a defense program which got me a security clearance. Then I did the tier one analyst thing. Poor pay and grueling hours but you will get many offers after you get that valuable experience

[@dennisreynolds9202]

Yeah, I've been asking the same damn question. I've graduated from college 2 years ago and I can't even land a job. They keep asking me do you HAVE EXPERIENCE DO YOU HAVE CERTIFICATION. Which I had to sign up for a bootcamp hoping it will help me land a job. Because I don't want to go back to Restaurant or breaking my back.

[@o0keitaro0o]

Did it help?

[@dennisreynolds9202]

@o0keitaro0o no, still looking for a IT job. Now, I'm breaking my back for $18.31 an hour.

[@o0keitaro0o]

@@dennisreynolds9202 have u been applying for support everyday too? I'm from south america so that salary sounds great to me, but i understand in some states McDonald's pay the same tho, maybe go to tech event in person to make connections

[@xfmedium3052]

So in otherwords the field is pretty much in a narrowing period unless you hyperspecialize, and just pray that fine-tuned gpt4.5 doesn't excise you out of the loop if you aren't a senior level worker. Gotcha. I will continue to try, but alas this just tells me the entire field is about to contract down to an increasingly smaller number of specialist and 'growth' is tied less to labor demand, and more to the element of security-productivity that's increasingly detached from team size volume. At this point, I feel one might as well just pursue software dev with netsec and cyber-opsec specialization. Cause this is what it feels like :/

[@antdad24]

Man I hope not...

[@Stoneface_]

​@@antdad24that's the hard reality 😢

[@KJ-th7wh]

Bottom line is all entry level jobs are overseas, you can take any organization, Black Rock, Deloitte, Mckinsey, Bain & Company, KPMG, E&Y and all others, they all have entry level Cyber analysts sitting in India, Brazil, Argentina and other countries (working remotely) and that is the reason why fresh grads in USA dont have many entry level Jobs to go after.

[@gregeddy264]

Cyber security is not an entry level role. It’s an end of career role. You have to understand that cyber security means knowing what your policies and configurations will do from experience. My school taught me how to lock down a network but it didn’t teach how not to disrupt the workplace

[@paydayvideos4924]

Ive always been under the impression cyber is something you reach after a lot of IT experience. How tf am i supposed to know about all the niche and complex vulnerabilities when ive never worked with the equipment and/or software before.

[@secretbunnyninja]

as a current job seeker, I don't care what you do, or how specialized. Buckle up because that recession we printed ourselves out of has emerging ramifications.

[@Ricardo-po5sy]

Why are the pays for SOC decreased? The precious employee are getting the high salary and new employees won’t?

[@nothing563019]

Partially true. Take everything you hear on this channel with a grain of salt

[@dropdeadfredd1709]

In other words " DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE"

[@chocobitties2595]

Informative video. Question: Do you have 130 live cicadas in your living room? There is a crazy amount of buzzing feedback. If that's intentionally added ambient noise - I wouldn't do it again. If it's a pest control issue, I would get on that! If it's a microphone issue, easy fix.

[@akagordon]

In an OECD economy, there's no such thing as a labor shortage, just picky employers.

[@luisvilla799]

Completely agree and add wage shortage

[@CrossfitWarrior]

I've been working in Cybersecurity for close to 5 years and it's difficult to find a job due to niche openings that open and also remote work made it in demand 100 times over.

[@novadhd]

Glad you put this out there. YOu are doing quite well for your age. I am season IT/Cyber pro focused on GRC now but rarely got contacted by recruiters unless they are Indian and for jobs that I would never do lol. Thanks!

[@nicoleenesse]

Thanks!

[@gilfernando7623]

In any profession, experience is the best thing to have. Certifications, degrees are good but employers are really looking for experience.

[@MrsMathews]

We are not in this field at all (and not looking to get into it) but I was curious, so I clicked on it. I remember hearing that it is very difficult for some people to find their first job. Good video! You really break it down.

[@PedroPerez-vk2tm]

She is right. Nowadays, "security" is baked into every imaginable IT domain out there. You can get high paying gigs if you venture into lesser known and less popular jobs like Public Key Infrastructure, software deployment, and the like

[@BusinessWolf1]

No one cares about sustainability when the only important thing is how much the number went up in the last 3 months.

[@urdynamix]

Cyber Security is so hyped up as an on-demand skills, but jobs are elusive in the market. Don't Believe the Hype.

[@poopchute4103]

Agreed with you of how job searching can be difficult and soul crushing, when you look at what’s been going on in America’s job market, all they do is require as much experience as possible along with all the other ludicrous requirements (applies to entry level jobs too regardless of where you come from) you apply for those jobs and you end up being ghosted because it’s really the HR people who are using AI to filter out all the candidates who are unqualified for this role and the only way you can get yourself through the door is by critiquing your resume in a way to trick their AI into thinking that you seem like a qualified candidate. How are you suppose to get the experience just for an “ entry level job” that probably pays you way less and provides no training which defeats the purpose of posting a job position on the company’s website in the first place. People are complaining about this all over Reddit and it’s only gonna get worse in the coming years.

[@oscaresposito1433]

I feel cyber insecurity

[@ogChaaka]

Wanted: junior CS tech Requirements: all certs ever and 3000 years of experience. Salary: LoL Thank you for your application.

[@letsgetdowntobusiness-]

Hollywood really glorified the cybersecurity/ hacker persona didn't they.

[@kuririn1975]

Most companies I have encountered, like Boeing, want the person to intern for the position first. Then, if they like you, they will offer you the job. But it is hard to get that internship. One must already have a Secret clearance; a Sec+ Degree is unnecessary but helps. But I feel the struggle CS is on demand, but no one is hiring qualified people either; I have a BS in Cyber, Hold Sec+, Cya, CASP, I have a working knowledge of SolarWinds, Wireshark, Nmap, Kali Linux, and Burpe mostly through school, and as a hobbit, but I cannot get into a Junior SOC role, Junior Analyst role, or even a base ISSO role.

[@akisora69]

Im going to graduate with my Associates in cybersecurity and im starting to regret it, beacause even help desk is nothing but bachelors degree and X years of experience. So im there constantly apply to anything and everything in hopes i can get some experience, and the prices of certs are to high to afford plus the free ones dont even hold any weight on the field. so no point in getting them. And i cant use the whole you gotta show them you really want the job if they dont even give a interview.

[@DrChris44]

Everytime I see an application security position on linked in or indeed that says entry level, scrolling down to the requirements reveals you need about 10+ years experience.

[@bretburke129]

That was an excellent run down. Great perspectives and analysis on the current conditions.. Awesome advice. Loved it

[@nicoleenesse]

Glad it helped!

[@TheBrandonCraig]

I went help desk at a 250 person company for 15/hr and became cool with all the security dudes. Took over the EDR and triaged alerts. Helped with MFA deployment and GDPR/PCI bullshit. Totally winged all of it and learned as I went. Eventually applied as a deployment engineer for 72/yr that helped businesses with microsoft security like Intune, identity, defender etc. totally winged it the entire time. Then I applied directly at big tech companies and got a 150k/yr job as a security consultant where I do the same thing and help customers deploy/configure security. Currently winging it still. Moving to technical security sales next to get into the $200k zone where I will wing it more as a sales guy who knows nothing about sales

[@Zizook]

Where not is the expansion phase in the economic cycle. When the economy slows down to a snail’s pace, unemployment increases and companies enter survival mode cutting staff, and putting more work on experienced workers, which is why they want experience over cheap, novice labour.

[@TarasZakharchenko]

Entry level job as security specialist sounds to me like oxymoron. After relatively brief learning, I can expect such specialist to run readymade exploits in given order and nothing more. And such thing can certainly be automated to considerable extent. While to become Real security specialist who can reverse engineer malware, hack neverseenbefore software, understands math behind cryptography. To gain that knowledge, one needs a lot of years of experience as software engineer and of course university degree. The thing I trying to say is that to enter security job market, one already needs to have considerable engineering position background. There is no such thing as junior or trainee security specialist. It is mistake to open such position if your sys admin can run exploits as side task

[@user-bo9ly1jk4m]

This is one of the better videos on KZbin. Asking the right questions.

[@sivangunasingam9194]

thank you very much i look forward to studying all your content. Very informative and helpful.

[@lonelygoner2012]

Gatekeeping in the industry, thats the problem

[@Denvercoder]

I’m a software developer (and have been for about 10 years). I’m looking to move over to the security side so I think Application Security is a good fit for me. So it was nice to see that it’s less competitive.

[@nicoleenesse]

As a developer you have no competition in the security side ahah

[@larryjonn1973]

My two cents, I don't think people appreciate or truly realise just how hard of a career it can be. Of course you have the entry level roles, dealing with bits of software and clicking buttons, looking at logs etc, but the tail end of the career requires you to know much about programming, reverse engineering, posix OS, assembly, networking, CS topics and SO much more. It's the hot buzz topic, I know loads of people that talk about breaking into cyber sec, but they've never even used nmap, let alone found that there's some easter eggs in the codebase

[@rhinofart89]

At this point in my life id be happy with a job as a janitor cleaning a SOC office.

[@Darling_Decay]

I’m lucky that where I live there’s three always open cybersecurity jobs with 100% remote entry level No experience, only good knowledge on the subject. It pays 65-80k depending on which position I go for. This is on a military base so I have connections already on it thanks to my parents. I’m gonna work try to work there for 3 years to hit that 3 year experience that always needed then decide from there

[@7Logik]

What base is that ?

[@danloyer6241]

My question is to this channel, it seems to me that most IT Job(s) are hard to find especially when it comes to an entry level job or jobs, it seems worst for software development jobs

[@SouthsideDee]

Develop real IT skills such as help desk, systems admin or learn a scripting language. Doesn’t have to be cybersecurity, the desirable skills are transferable.

[@n1c704]

For my first gig I had previously obtained security+ but hadn’t received calls back until it expired.

[@JohnCutter317]

Tbh i appreciate all the cyber influencers but every video is just " your not qualified and wont be until somebody randomly hires you and trains you" all these jobs posted and zero path every other tech sector has some reasonable path forward without becoming content creator. The most important stories from these channels is how they got the first job nothing ekse matters and unfortunately its always super lucky stuff

[@AbandonedVoid]

It feels Kafkasque that you need experience to get a job but you need a job to get experience. Even if you can get an internship or something, that experience might not even count or have very little to do with the field you actually want a career in, which means you're potentially spending years in a job you aren't interested in only for it to get you nowhere. Why is the industry so inefficient at encouraging new workers? How is it supposed to grow that way?

[@SpicyNoodleEnjoyer]

i cant even get jr positions with security+ and other certs.. it absolutely hurts since nobody wants to give jrs a chance

[@williamphillips777]

Wow the similarity i went through for cloud solutions architect is crazy. I think your advice can apply to more than just cyber security especially about learning at the time of need.

[@mrv7916]

I think that the only way to get into this type of business you either have to have the required experience or know someone in the inside that can get you a spot in the industry. But I find it ridiculous that they expect you have 10 to 20 years of experience. I mean, where in the hell are you gonna get that amount of experience to get into cybersecurity. It really makes you wonder if is even worth it to go to school to than just get rejected for the job you dream for.

[@SavageScientist]

Great video, im in application security and I wanted to focus on the fun stuff but app security is an easy door in. I also got my CSSLP

[@nicoleenesse]

Thanks for sharing

[@SavageScientist]

@@nicoleenesse fo sho i will share your video on my page

[@youknowulikeit9589]

Do you work as an application security engineer at a company? from what I've seen application security requires much more broad knowledge and more technical knowledge.

[@SavageScientist]

@@youknowulikeit9589 It does, I have a youtube channel focusing on coding and cyber security but to answer your question. The CSSLP is an advanced cyber cert that requires 5 years of experience and to pass a 120 question exam.

[@rashadakali3380]

❤🖥What a great and informative video on cybersecurity emploment🖥❤️

[@Tenyson05_]

Lost my job in March. Im an application security analyst with 3 years of experience plus 2 years of experience working with cloud technology and devops concepts. 6 months after losing my job and i still havent gotten another job. Tired and frustrated at having to tailor each resume to every position i apply for it takes up alot of time just to get that unfortunately we've moved forward with other candidates email. Additionally, if you dont tailor your resume you're just gonna get red flag by alot of companies automation system. Idk what to do at this point im just watching a ton of these videos looking for new ideas and tactics to try out 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Miciocruz]

Try all states in the US

[@nomadicwolf6132]

Absolute gold. Thank you.

[@blubblubee]

Most companies have a handful at most

[@rickybush4564]

I never thought getting a foot in the door for cyber security jobs would be this hard. Myself and classmates who graduated are having a tough time landing a job. The most frustrating thing is meeting someone with no experience, no degree, and no certs already having a cyber security job. They are told during the interview that we will train you on what you need to know. How do I know this? I met these individuals, so this is not hearsay for me. The real question is the same old question. Is it about who you know or about what you know?

[@sinistan1002]

that is par for the course in IT, some of the best coders for example in video games industry are completely self taught, what matters is what you know how smart you are and if you can demonstrate that effectively

[@rickybush4564]

@sinistan1002 I wish it was that simple. Thanks for the response, though.

[@sinistan1002]

@@rickybush4564 my point was not a matter of being simple or not simple just reality. even now big tech companies has come to understand this and eschew formal degree requirements. this means of course either way if you go into a technical interview you are going to be expected to know what you are talking about, coding exercise and get it right. there are those even with graduate degrees that fail that part

[@rickybush4564]

@sinistan1002 That's a good point, but it's not what I am pointing out. I've met individuals with no IT history at all. They get an interview and don't know anything about the field. They get hired and told we will train you on what you need to know. I am not talking about people who train themselves or go to college. One of those individuals I am referring to was an Econ major in school and knew nothing of the cyber security field. This is the point I was making in my first comment.

[@sinistan1002]

@@rickybush4564that sounds like they either got lucky and/or just interview well, sometimes people score higher in some interviewers eyes with soft skill and behavioral questions, I would tend to think the interviewer is more HR person. but technical hiring managers should have the final decision, worst thing a company could ever do is allow HR alone to make hiring decisions 😄