If God Created Everything, Who Created God? | Dr. Shabir Ally

This is a popular question that is often asked innocently or is even sometimes used as an objection to cause doubt about God’s reality. There are many arguments and debates that can seriously damage one’s belief in #God. Fortunately, many of these doubts and objections are not new but ancient in their origin. Just as the objections are not new, many of the answers to these questions have been around just as long. The solution to the problem of who created the Creator is not as complicated as it might seem. Watch as Dr. Shabir Ally gives us rational proof of why an uncreated Creator must exist.
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[@Spillers72]

Many say God stands outside the time space continuum and thus requires no creator. Only things within this continuum needs a beginning point.

[@mentalfitnessbyderia]

Beautiful video, very informative

[@mentalfitnessbyderia]

Thank you for the video, One of the most fulfilling and valuable videos I’ve ever seen in my life. Please continue what you’re doing. 🙏

[@nemoyap]

Greetings from Malaysia. One of the best English speaking & explanation promoting Islam. Great channel 👍💯

[@hayatullahrahmatzai9839]

We are lucky to have such a great scholar among us who always answer the most challenging question in a logical and convincing way. I am consistently impressed by your ability to answer questions in such a logical and rational manner. Your thought process is incredibly clear and organized, and it's evident that you approach every inquiry with a keen analytical mindset. Your logical responses not only provide valuable insights but also inspire others to think critically and consider different perspectives. Your logical thinking is truly admirable, and I greatly appreciate the way you consistently contribute to meaningful discussions.

[@SuperJijja]

He's a scholar of what? Ie aqeedah, hadith, fiqh etc.. if he is a scholar where is his work for the public to see? Muslim scholars should not talk from there whims and desires they bring evidence from Quran and sunnah. You follow a personality to satisfy your whims and desires be honest with yourself.

[@marioluigi9599]

@@SuperJijja don't be rude please. That's satanic. Please be kind and nice. Satanic people go to hellfire and will eat from the tree that produces fruits resembling devil heads.

[@sandralazarus7338]

That was very nice. Thank you.

[@ampagetech2624]

This issue of infinite regress has been a much researched problem from very long. There are so many explanations like that of the famous German mathematician David Hilbert ( of Hilbert Space Fame ) called the infinite grand hotel paradox . But your insight of saying if we cant get from here to there - how can it come from there to here ?? is very intuitive . Thanks a lot Dr Shabir for your moderation in all your talks and lectures notwithstanding this age in which scholars are not spared from the sectarian bug.

[@zoal007]

Amazing explain

[@BloggingTheology]

Atheist: if God created the universe then who created God? Me: if a baker baked a cake then who baked the baker? Atheist: 😵‍💫

[@i4niable]

If energy can not be created nor destroyed...so what about God who created energy...

[@sal_strazzullo]

​@@i4niable He is not energy, He created all matter and energy from which the current universe came to exist in a pretedermined manner

[@sal_strazzullo]

He to whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, who took to Himself no son, who never had a partner in His kingship; who created everything and determined its measure. Quran 25:2

[@filmsagainstempires1388]

But if a baker baked a cake, someone would have to create the baker.

[@filmsagainstempires1388]

​@@sal_strazzulloSo, if God is not energy or matter, what is He made of?

[@royelnaidu5477]

Thank you sir

[@haaroonIqbaal2040]

'The Creator' by definition is the One who isn't Created by someone else !!

[@Servant_of_the_Lotus_feet]

Hare Krishna, your realisations are verily correct. They are in accord with the Vedic scriptures. Brahma Samhita chapter 5 verse 1: īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ anādir ādir govindaḥ sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam Translation- Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.

[@Lifelongloser]

It’s all very clear now.

[@matthunt9197]

Mashallah Alhamdulillah Inshallah what an answer.

[@rsalim6082]

It is also termed as: "The First Cause."

[@OwenGrantham]

I'm glad you are prepared to tackle these difficult questions. As an atheist the question of who created "The Creator" is a very pertinent one. All religions (not just Islam) are based on the notion that Something MUST have created the universe, hence a creator. The creator's creator is the obvious flaw in that proposition. Perhaps an more honest answer is that we simply don't know what created the universe so WE created a God, be that Odin, Allah or any one of the 'creator's Gods to fudge an answer in lieu of our ignorance.

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

Good points, but science still does not have an answer on what caused the fluctuation in the primordial state of energy and matter entwined. Prior to the big Bang, what circumstance caused it to fluctuate enough to cause the density to falter, allowing the big bang to occur?

[@shassarahaman5247]

The point is about existence not bakery. The bread exists whether baked, cooked or fried. So we can ask how the the baker who brought the bread into existence himself came to be.

[@dianaagnesszalek6913]

Than their would be no beginning and their will be no end. Ameen.

[@zahrag3466]

Dr. Shabir, I have watched your videos, and I will gladly help your new channel as you have been very instrumental to unite the Shia and Sunni through your programs, الحمدالله united Muslims is always better, thank you 💐

[@marioluigi9599]

Yes; that's the good thing about him. Cos all the Salafis and the rest of them just want to hate on others and say only they are true path. So they created hatred and hostility

[@no198720]

If there is “uncreated creator” why there cant be the creation itself be “uncreated creation” ?

[@nombretau5590]

If the Creator created all things, time was created. No time, no before. No before, no question on who created the Creator of all things.

[@Saby217]

Excellent analogy! We know outside of our time / space reality, there is no concept of time.

[@stylicho]

This is like the question "how do we get to the number 1 if there are an infinite number of numbers before getting to number 1". You can't logically get there

[@alwaizmuzafarnihal2762]

Eg we believe that there is another creator who creat our creator it doesn't any problem for us because according to chain of command formula we are bound to obey our creator not to creator of our creator .

[@anwarbukhari6178]

Will and power of god make him god....

[@malay353]

The Infinity

[@m.e.e2878]

Love the showwwwwwwwwwwww...

[@fidelcatsro6948]

The baker baked all the bread then who "baked" the baker? 😂😂😂

[@waymilky442]

Isn't that his mother lol? Parents?

[@EtherealGirl]

@@waymilky442 keep going with the chain. Who created those parents... up until Adam and Eve... who created them? and so on.

[@semiot8305]

Who baked the baker?

[@marioluigi9599]

It's not who "made" the baker. It's who "baked" the baker Because you're saying God has to be created since he created it all

[@fidelcatsro6948]

@@marioluigi9599 🐱👍🏿

[@ghazalamohsin1018]

❤

[@BruceWSims]

Unfortunately, Humans who broach subjects such as this really don't seem to appreciate the nature of what is under discussion. For instance, our Universe as we know it is only about 12 Billion Years old. So what existed a trillion years ago? How about a quadrillion years ago? Consider that when discussing God, we are identifying a consciousness that Never did not exist....ever. Pretty tough to wrap ones' head around that.😮

[@sal_strazzullo]

The illusion of time began when God created the Heavens and the Earth (Big Bang), but before that moment, everything was eternal. The point is that even defining "that moment" is hard. Only He knows exactly what this means. The whole history of the Universe is as it's already happened.

[@domini1331]

How do we know that the Universe has been created? Probably, the Universe existed from the beginning.

[@sciencefollower]

ONE THING IS CRYSTAL CLEAR AND BASED ON SCIENCE. UNIVERSE IS MADE OF SPACE AND ENERGY. ENERGY HAS DIFFERENT FORMS, LIKE MASS, ELECTRIC, MAGNETIC, GRAVITATIONAL, KINETIC, POTENTIAL, NUCLEAR, LIGHT, HEAT AND MANY OTHER FORMS. IF ENERGY IS GOD, QUESTION IS, WHERE DID ENERGY COME FROM ... ???

[@maxuse7206]

Allah Akbar

[@almaghrabee]

You cannot create god. If you could then how do you decide who is most powerful and all knowing? There can only be one all powerful and all knowing. Anything created will always have limitations.

[@marioluigi9599]

Unless you have the ultimate power to be, and then you create him and cease all that power to him, thus becoming weak and limited yourself, but he isn't

[@HussainZilaal-vl9tm]

Charity is for the poor and orphan and needy dear 😌

[@Slaw6602]

How many creater are there? Jesus is Word of God.Quoran says so Through him everything was created.

[@saudqadir7444]

How it is possible what Jesus created show me in the Bible What is the difference between Jesus and any other man If a man come to your house and say he is Jesus how you gonna tell the difference?

[@shassarahaman5247]

Placing an uncreated creator at the end of the chain to solve the infinite regress problem is not satisfactory. Since this is purely a logical conclusion, isn't it possible that there's actually no infinite regress problem and our logic can't just figure out how? Maybe we simply don't know enough to explain how a chain of contingent things exists without necessarily being started by a necessary being.

[@i4niable]

When energy can not be created nor destroyed .....this should suffice about God being uncreated.

[@sal_strazzullo]

Your soul knows it's true, it's about not resisting that feeling and doing a leap of faith until your faith will then be strengthened by the proofs you see through signs in your life. It's truly a personal path. I have no doubt about God and the Day of Judgement anymore, and this certainty has come to me only after submitting and doing what I'm supposed to do: charity, repentance, remembrance (prayer/fasting/praising God often), reading Scripture and seeking to understand. From there you can start relying on God for everything, it will feel normal, as you will understand the answers through signs

[@lahleholivia7398]

It took god 4 days to make the earth but only 2 days to make the entire universe. Makes perfect sense.

[@jj-yi1ne]

you are a christian watching muslim videos. christianity destroyes the mind its from satan. you will burn in hell

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

You seem to be very fascinated by scientific and mathematical logical proofs. I tell you what I challenge you to go ahead and defeat the video that I have on my channel which mathematically logically and scientifically proves that it makes more sense to believe in God. Than it does not to good luck!

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

No response huh?

[@lahleholivia7398]

@@godisonegodhaswon5957 There may be a god. But it is certainly not the Islamic Pagan stone kissing god who thinks the sun orbits the earth.

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

?

[@auycharxernaighn7893]

Allah was always there

[@Think_pls]

Well in that case we can say That the uncreated creator is Bhumshum Or Solanum Or Jahsdev Or Any other name That still doesn't answer the question Because those words can't be defined scientifically I would say we don't know as the best answer, for now Let's not say since we don't know We call it Allah

[@marioluigi9599]

Well Allah just means "the God". And the God of Israel said that he just is. That his name is, "I am that I am". So he is, and he always was, and he always will be. And that's it. That's God, The ultimate reality. And it's pretty simple to understand. And so his word is "be". He is, and so the word is him. And the word is with him, because with him is the power to say "be" to something, and it will be (it will come about). So when he wanted to create humans, he said to Adam, "be" and he was. "The word became flesh" - Adam became created. Just the same as with anything else that God wills to be: He says be and it will be, just as he has wanted it. And only one perfect enough to make no mistakes, to be infinity just and kind, and be free of evil himself could wield such an everlasting all creating power. If it wasn't perfect, this ultimate power would have long since eaten up in itself and have collapsed under its own imperfection. And if there were more than one of him, they would have fought until only one had remained, but this would have meant that he was no perfect in the first place, since another shared in his power, and where would that one have come from? Therefore only one can exist. Any more and he is imperfect and weaker, no longer all encompassing. That then is not God. Therefore never draw a picture of God, for you will limit him to the image of a mere old man. You will severely limit him then even by comparing hm to human

[@Downlead]

This is the point where atheism is illogical.

[@merter8508]

Actually, you cant ask this question because "being created, being a creation" refers to beings that existed and exist in a period of time and in a specific environment. Since God, Allah, is beyond time and space, you cant ask such a question ! Allah is above such assumptions !

[@marioluigi9599]

Okay then, Next question: How do you know the uncreated creator isn't actually evil? And all his talk of mercy and compassion was actually just fake? How can you be so sure that he is actually in fact as good as he says? I mean, he does admit to having an extremely brutal and eternal hellfire, where you get molten brass to drink and thorny plants to eat and your skin is continually burnt off and remade and things of that nature. And when you beg for mercy, he just sends an angel that says, you deserve all this eternal billion year punishment. All for what? Just because people who couldn't see him didn't believe in him? So the next question is, why does people's unbelief warrant such a horrible punishment, even if the people were otherwise a very good persons who did a lot of good for the world and made other people's lives much easier? Why is he so angry just because they didn't pray to him whilst he kept himself completely hidden from them? What warrants this anger? This is not to mention the question about why some totally innocent individuals like babies or animals are born only to suffer immense pain and after a long time die from it, for no reason at all, since they were sin-free. And this horrible pain might have been caused by nobody sinful at all. Just by natural causes like a horrible disease in a baby, or maybe a tree falling on an animal. Why does he have a right to allow this pain to take place for no reason at all like this? Is the price for paradise really pain? What about those babies that were still born, dead, but never even sufferred any pain? Do they then not get paradise because they never suffered? Not to mention all the brutal predator-prey lives that animals have to live through, constantly living in fear and pain. Why do the animals deserve this? What sins did they commit? Are they also paying the price for paradise? So if he exists then, is he really so good if he does these things and would you do the same in his place? And finally, you are saying that the reason anything exists in the first place, is because in the beginning there must have been an uncreated thing that just is. It's a part of reality. Something we cannot understand, but it exists and has the power and it caused other things to exist and that's why we all exist and why anything at all exists. It is the ultimate reality that never dies. That's fine, I can believe that. But how do you know that this is the good God? Maybe you are totally wrong and it is just something else that hasn't communicated to us? Or like I say, maybe it's nothing truly good. How do you know for sure? Oh one more question: Why create humans to show off his ability of mercy? If he knows he is merciful, why is that not good enough? Why does he have to actively create them, especially if he already knows the future and already knows everything they are going to do anyway. It's not surprising then, so what's the point? Why not just not bother creating humans? Can you really say he gets enjoyment out of creating humans if he is eternal and unchanging?

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

1. Heaven is above is and Hell is below us. Logically it follows that we are in between the two worlds and our decisions through free will renders this world in resemblance towards either good or evil. What if everyone did as Jesus did? Heaven. What would happen if everyone did as Hitler did ? Hell. 2. How do we know that if there is a God or creator it's actually good and not evil? One piece of evidence comes from the big bang itself or "Let there be light!", or as the book of genesis says in the< beginning "Beresheet" in Hebrew. 2A. Further, one can make the logical argument of why there is something instead of nothing as existence of evidence for a beneficial creator also the evidence of the universal mind positive as well. In the fact that consciousness exists and is aware, There's also plenty of scientific evidence of the quantum nature of consciousness. You can look up phenomenon such as wave form or wave function collapse. 2B. Also life and biological forms wants to live, it wants to grow. It wants to continue to propagate its genes, it's DNA. 2C. Additionally, logically, we could ask. Why do we have a conscience? Even people that are atheists have a conscience. They know right from wrong. They know when something is wrong, and they know when something is right. They are able to form value judgments about the environment and phenomena around them. Why is it that we know when something is wrong? And we feel bad about it you mentioned in your post. About people suffering and hell, how that's wrong? And bad for people to suffer, right? 2D. Except the reason that these people are sent to hell is not because they didn't know an invisible god, they couldn't see The reason is they committed certain enumerated offenses that are beyond all hope of redemption. Is it Justice for the wicked to go? Unpunished for the ones that sacrifice babies and innocent lives to go completely free. Scott free and never be punished at all. That would be a greater injustice than any alleged injustice served through hell. 2E. Also, in the afterlife time space doesn't exist As it does here so 1 moment of hell could feel like a lifetime. Because if you've ever felt pleasure, it's quite fleeting gone before it started and if you ever felt pain, especially the pain of burning, it feels quite intense and a lot longer than the amount of actual time that you experienced that phenomenon. 2F. Finally, it is a logical fallacy to project any anthropomorphic qualities unto the perfect deity God has no anger. God has no human qualities of jealousy God has none of these things at all. There is no division only unity. There is no causality only the uncaused contingent cause or the uncreated creator. 2G. Finally, we cannot judge cosmic or divine actions through human eyes. And we do not have the capabilities to understand what the cosmic plan is or what specific course of action is needed to correct such deviance thereto. Therefore, there could be something deemed completely evil or wrong. And immoral by our standards. But is needed in the long-term. In order for the cosmic plan to play out accordingly. That could be something beyond the limits of our human understanding for example. If you have some free time, please check out the first video on my channel where I logically scientifically and mathematically prove that it makes more sense to believe in God or and/or life after death, than it does not to.

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

2H. Also, Jesus claimed to be a Messenger from the Good God. And his message is very good and very positive. Life affirming and beautiful not to mention the perfect Kantian categorical imperative or universally acted upon maxim for humans to employ daily. Hitler, on the other hand had a voice that always protected him throughout his life, and even saved his life during the trench warfare of WWI. He mentions it in his book Mein Kampf or "My Struggle." His words and his actions were quite evil and very horrific.

[@marioluigi9599]

@@godisonegodhaswon5957Thank you for trying to answer me here, even though I didn't ask YOU for that. However, you didn't really answer my questions. But don't worry about it. These weren't particularly easy questions. That's why I tried asking the sheikh. For example, I didn't ask if it was better for people not to receive justice in the end if they sacrificed babies or other innocent people like you said. Of course it is better for there to be an ultimate justice even after death! But that wasn't my question there I asked a question concerning islam and good people who don't believe in God. The Qur'an says, you could have done the most good of anyone in the world and it compares it to a big field of wheat that represents all the good that was ever done, yet it all just dies off from the cold wind of one night. A big frost destroys all the good that was ever done. So I ask you, is this justice? All the good that was ever done by a person over their entire lifetime was worth nothing in the end. Everything good they had planted just died off and was simply worthless, NOT because they were a bad person and harmed innocent people.... ....but just because they didn't believe in God, when he didn't once reveal himself to them or told them himself to worship him.

[@marioluigi9599]

@@godisonegodhaswon5957 And for this, they will receive the harshest of punishments in hell, and the Qur'an describes it in horrific detail, what God will do to some very good people who have never killed anyone or did any really bad things. Meanwhile, much worse people who have done very little good in comparison, will have all their bad sins forgiven because God is the most merciful. Just because they believed in him and in the Last Day. That's it. I mean, this is like Jesus in Christianity all over again. You believe in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour and he will save you, because he loves you more than anything, no matter what you have done. But if you don't accept him, it's eternal hellfire for you, though you were much better in your life than many of the bad people who he forgave and who are in heaven now. So.... Where is the justice for an innocent person who saved so many lives and did so much good for the world? Somebody who prevented a lot of the horrible suffering of this world, which God himself openly allows to take place, though he has the power to stop it. Somebody who just didn't believe in God, because they didn't see a good reason to do so, especially since they couldn't believe that a GOOD God if he existed could allow all these things to occur. . Even if this is a sin on their part not to believe in such a "good" God, what kind of justice is that horrific punishment for such a person just because they committed this sin of not trusting that he is real? Should a real good God not simply understand their perspective and also forgive them, and also reward them for all the good they have done? And if they have done more good than bad, why does he want to destroy all their massive amounts of good deeds by a cold wind? Why not instead just balance the good and bad deeds out on a scale, then cancelling out their bad deeds and rewarding them for all the surplus good that are left over? Why eternal hellfire just for that? That was my question. And I asked some other ones. But yeah... they weren't easy questions sorry.

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

@marioluigi9599 I think God did reveal himself to everyone. 1. Through the fact of the existence, their conscience, and the awareness of their consciousness. 2. As well as being able to differentiate right from wrong. And knowing that suffering is wrong. 3. Messengers with messages have sent to all nations and tongues how could it possibly be that you have not been made aware? Everyone knows about God heaven hell Angels regardless of their belief or lack thereof of them. 4. From an Islamic perspective, which is what you're asking for, we also believe in the fitra or the original state of being in which we, as non -corpeal consciously aware entities endowed with a conscience, attested to the oneness and mastery of God over all things before we were ever born. In the universal womb so to speak we witnessed and testified to the One True Universal Mind.

[@riazm6004]

Simple! The answer to this question is not in the book of humans.. Infact this illogical question itself is limited to the minds of humans.

[@mansour9790]

Thats sounds like St. Thomas Aquinas 5 proofs of God. The uncreated creator, the primary mover 😂

[@opimusno12012]

didnt expect such a weak explanation from you sir....if there is one uncreated creator who was created automatically,,, then can there be others as well?

[@waymilky442]

There are no other. Energy and mater is all one it just shifts and divides. Thus every everything is with origin form the One God that is the original mater/energy.

[@opimusno12012]

@@waymilky442 Well, its said that God created us from nothing. So the concept of Matter and Energy or Big Bang doesn't apply to God. We are creation from nothingness by him. God is neither energy nor matter and we can't comprehend his physical or any other form because for that we will have to be able to perceive directly. However, my question was not that. I was only asking that if by the logic That God was created from nothingness,,I.e. uncreated automatically , then outside of the realm of this multiverse or universe, can there be instances that other entities or being like him are created by their ownselve. And may be they are also omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent in the universe that they have created for their ones. Just a thought.

[@marioluigi9599]

@@opimusno12012 You make no sense. First you say "uncreated creator", then you say "created automatically". No, if he is uncreated, logically he wasn't created at all, and there was never a time when he didn't exist. He's not created automatically and not created in any other way. He was never created. He just is. And he always was. And he always will be.

[@thatswhoiam2735]

If Allah is uncreated, doesnt it mean its possible there are other life forms/things which are uncreated? We now cannot say everything has a creator, since we now have one example ( Allah ) of something uncreated, which opens the door to the possiblity that there are other uncreated entites.

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

Incorrect, that's a logical fallacy because if there was another entity that had the same exact powers of Allah, which is omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscence. At the very least, then that entity would be identical. And indistinguishable from Allah because they would have exact same attributes to each Therefore, logically speaking, they can only lesser beings than the ultimate one. Also, before any other religion became polytheistic It would have to have been monotheistic because before you could ever get to 2 3 4 or more gods. You would have to start with one. As all religions were before, they deteriorated into polytheism. Further, logical fallacies of this sort include can God square a circle? or can God create a Stone so big that even he couldn't lift it? These are so logically fallacious. They beg laughter because you are now projecting anthropomorphic qualities onto the eternal being, which is far above any anthropomorphic qualities such as notions of weight and largeness or bigness.

[@thatswhoiam2735]

@@godisonegodhaswon5957 All I said the other entity would also be uncreated. It may not necessarily have the same power as Allah, or be equal to Allah. "At the very least, then that entity would be identical" - why does it have to be identifical. It's just another uncreated entity, so it might have attributes completely different from Allah. Please read my comment in this light. Hopefully I've avoided the miscommunication. My point is, Allah being uncreated contradicts the assumption that everything in the world has to be created

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

@thatswhoiam2735 God is outside of the time space continuum. Therefore, he is the uncreated creator logically speaking further. If there was another being, it would be identical to God in terms of power. Therefore, you wouldn't be able to differentiate them logically speaking. Therefore, if there are any other beings, they would only be lesser to the greatest of all beings. In other words, logically, there can only be 1 number 1. There can be two and three etc. But only 1 can be one

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

@@thatswhoiam2735 Mathematically logically and scientifically, all whole numbers are expressed in terms of one. All whole numbers are made up of a certain number of ones, but only one can express one only one is one mathematically speaking.

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

@thatswhoiam2735 That is also illogical because only the uncreated creator which is outside of the space continuum is only one being there cannot be any other beings that also uncreated creators. Otherwise, they would be identical to God in power. And thus undifferentiated from him or identical to. Logically speaking, it can only be a lesser beings that statement cannot be defeated logically speaking please understand.

[@semiot8305]

Let the Quran speak: “So Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators.” 23:15 Allah (?) says there are many creators. If he was the only one, his claim wouldn't make sense. According to the Quran, Isa is a creator too: "From clay I will create for you the likeness of a bird. I shall breathe into it and, by God’s leave, it shall become a living bird ". The act of breathing means giving spirit / life. Only God can do that. In fact this story is borrowed from a non-canonical gospel.

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

That's a logical fallacy Allah is the best of creators because he is the creator the creator of creators you just created some b s when you posted your comment, right?

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

just because a non canonical gospel from the gnostic realm was not canonized by the council of nicea almost 300 years after Jesus because it ran counter to their false. Trinitarian beliefs doesn't hold much weight as an argument For your side, buddy, hate to break it to you.

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

You should also research correlation versus causation. Because there's 2 similar yet not identical stories in 2 different books. Doesn't mean one necessarily caused the other that could be correlated.

[@semiot8305]

@@godisonegodhaswon5957 Actually the Infancy Gospel of Thomas is about miracles performed by Jesus as a child. There is nothing antitrinitarian in it. It is the opposite, actually. It is just a collection of ridiculous stories that are supposed to demonstrate how powerful He was. The compiler of the Quran was not good at selecting his sources : "And among them are those who abuse the Prophet and say, "He is an ear."" Like in the case of the Christian legend of the seven sleepers of Ephesus (yes, they are seven and the dog is not included).

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

@semiot8305 Congratulations, not only did you misunderstand what I said I said the Anti-trinitarian members of the council of niceas wanted to exclude it for their own nefarious purposes not necessarily becuase of its antitrinitarian stance or lack thereto. further, you just committed the logical fallacy of red herring congratulations, you really are on a logical role!

[@ChildofGod98765]

I put God first in my life! I Thank you Father, even in times of need, despair, and brokenness, you are there for me. Please, put your arms around me and my children. I trust you Heavenly Father. But I’m losing hope. Like many other single parents things are tough on me. Both of my sons are special needs. I’m constantly struggling to provide for them and now that I’m home schooling them my hours to work are limited. I’m overwhelmed. Father God hear my prayers. My faith in you is strong! Even as I constantly struggle to pay my rent. And I constantly struggle to provide groceries for my children. I’m keeping faith. Walking with faith is the most important thing us christian’s can do. That’s why love compassion and prayers are all we truly need.

[@sal_strazzullo]

Ameen 🤲

[@sal_strazzullo]

You're one of the few real Christians with faith, most other Christians are just parroting the few usual things they understand (John 3:14, trinity, etc..), while you're actually praying to God. May He answer your prayers

[@saudqadir7444]

READ Quran in English you find the answer By the way you cook Good

[@J00Ls]

​@@saudqadir7444iv read some of the Quran. I put it down when I saw Muslims mutter something under their breath when they say Jesus, which i found a bit rude.

[@starsian]

@@J00Ls They simply say "peace be upon him", as a sign of respect, upon mentioning the name of any prophet of God. So there's really nothing rude about it. If you don’t know something please just ask. Ignorance will just lead to fear and hatred.

[@eskokauppila1327]

without my mother, i wouldn't ever begin to know god without your father i wouldn't ever begin to know hallah who is then god? selfcontrol ¹⁰⁰ % security without violence cementrubber dams

[@sindisambo1228]

Who created God

[@marioluigi9599]

Who baked the baker?

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

The Uncreated Creator is by definition uncreated therfore your rationale reflected through your comment is fallacious.

[@junaidmughal3806]

How does the infinite creators logic concluded that there must be 1 creator? you could as well say by the same logic that threre must not be any creator at all because otherwise there would be an infinite chain of creators. Unfortunately, I have seen hundreds of Islamic videos like this one and never found any convincing logic. they tell a story and by themselves come to a conclusion. Logic used in this video: 1. Assumption: the world is created by a creator 2. Then it implies that a creator has a creator that also has a creator and so on to infinity 3. Continuing the logic, there cannot be infinite creators and the chain must end at a creator who has no creators 4. Therefore there must be only 1 creator Did he really prove that the creator has no creator? no, he didn't. There is no real logic used here. The argument is wrong from the first step.

[@marioluigi9599]

Okay then you make another first step assumption and tell us where the logic leads then

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

And the name of the logical fallacy is non sequitur. Because your challenge towards the validity of the assumptions that are logically sound is a non-starter.

[@godisonegodhaswon5957]

bRahman is Rahman

[@xonibehramiAllah]

Allah is the only one creator everything 🤲☪️🕋❤

[@xonibehramiAllah]

@@Blessed-Beautiful allah is one creator everthing

[@xonibehramiAllah]

@@Blessed-Beautiful allah creator everthing

[@michelangelope830]

The debate "atheism or religion", like "evolution or creation", is fallacious because the evolution of the species supports the idea that an eternal intelligence superior to oneself created the universe with a plan, order, design, organization. Atheists deceived you making you believe the idea of God is fantasy or dogma of faith that belongs to religion. Would you understand you are deceived if i explain a deception? The greatest knowledge of all time, that is going unnoticed, censored and not understood, is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. To understand atheism is a logical fallacy you have to understand why the most emblematic remark of atheism is "who created god?", with the intelligent creator of the universe written in lower case. To highlight how much atheists are interested in "evidence" i say atheists wouldn't be able to prove their own existence to themselves if the logical conclusion is that the creation needs the creator and lose their children believing without questions asked that gambling causes a brain disease, and when they are told they don't care. Would you memorize and understand the atheist logical fallacy to preserve knowledge useful for future generations that would understand I am a good person among bad people? I am a poet that writes prose to be understood better, all my work is poetry. To end the war in Ukraine the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. I can only speak in a human language to be understood.

[@alwaizmuzafarnihal2762]

God doesn't exist in ugly mind . Alwaiz Muzafar Nihal