If God knew that Adam and Eve would sin, why did He create them?

[@mike1968442]

I’m glad I follow this channel, I pray that those who don’t know Him, find Him SOON!

[@ladybayside7547]

That’s a wonderful prayer. Amen to that. 🙂

[@JosiahFickinger]

@@Bc232klm And what evidence do you have that isn't out of reluctance?

[@haitaelpastor976]

I found him not long ago. God is a cosmic horror, and we just his playthings.

[@KevindusT360]

​@@haitaelpastor976Speak on it. If God wanted us to be in his image we would've been like Jesus. Sinless in every aspect but unfortunately we are made to be sinful and have to repent always. 😂 🤣

[@Goinghome2024]

God also knew that he will redeem all sinners and bring much more glory, praise and joy to himself.

[@Goinghome2024]

@@Bc232klm God lives outside of time and he know everything from the beginning to the end. The curse of sin is a consequence of a wrong choice made by Adam and Eve. God took the punishment of sin on our behalf and redeem us. Maybe you will be able to understand in human term by which you committed an offence that resulted in the need to pay a fine but someone else paid the fine on your behalf.

[@jesusislordoverall4530]

@@Bc232klm because a pure sinless sacrifice was needed to cleanse man from his sin. Only Jesus fulfilled that role. You and i and all of mankind are all sinfull. Because the blood of Jesus will cover those who receive him as Lord and Savior, God doeasnt see our sin , he sees the blood of his Son. Once we are in heaven God gives us a new sinless body. I know it sounds hard to beleive but it is the truth.think about the universe for a moment. There is no other explanation but GOD. I learned to beleive what God said. Isaiah 55:8-9 New International Version 8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. When i start going down the rabbit hope of deep thinking everything, i think about these verses and just rest knowing my God knows what he is doing and i am glad because it is exhausting trying to figure out the GOD OF THE UNIVERSE.

[@Goinghome2024]

@@robmarshall956 Jesus' finished work removed all sins from Adam to the last man. It is a gift. But it is our choice to decide whether we want to depend on ourself or depend on Jesus' finished work to pay for our sins. The gift is freely given but it is up to the receiver's decision to take it or reject it. If you reject God's gift then it does not mean that God did not redeem you but rather you pushed away God's gift and do not want to be redeem by God and want to pay for your own sins.

[@Goinghome2024]

@@robmarshall956 Jesus died for everyone but that only those who respond in faith will reap the benefits of His sacrifice. In other words, Jesus’ death was sufficient for all, but only effectual for some (those who have faith). If Jesus did not die for everyone, the reasoning goes, then the offer of salvation is empty, because the non-elect cannot be saved. The teaching of unlimited atonement is based on verses such as 1 John 2:2, “He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.”

[@Goinghome2024]

@@robmarshall956 Was the Father’s intent to send His Son to die on the cross to make salvation possible for everybody, but also with the possibility that it would be effective for nobody? As I told you, God is outside of time and he already knew the end from the beginning. He already saw that his salvation is effective and many will be saved. God already knew who will be saved and who will be lost even before anyone of us is born.

[@dukediesel]

Even though God made me knowing I would sin and suffer for those sins, I am glad he made me because through the redemption of my sins that He has granted me, I am allowed to accept His beautiful Son’s sacrifice on the cross therefore allowing me to spend eternity with Him in heaven glorying His Holy name forever. His Grace is sufficient for me. Praise be to God and His Son Jesus Christ forever and ever more.

[@nikitakuznetsov8446]

@@vazgl100 No. God did not create him. He created humanity and the parents' of Dukediesel decided whether to create him or not not God.

[@fernandounda3681]

This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.//*/

[@jean-pierredumoulin8305]

God did not make you a sinner :Adam and Eve with the help of Satan did and according to the bible solely 144,000 will reingh in heaven with Christ they will be king and priest according to revelatio 5 verses 9-10 and will reingh over the earth . Their role is to help humanity to perfection during the 1000 years Reign The great crowd of the book of revelation will live eternally on earth so that God's original plan can finally succeed

[@marshmello4310]

@@jean-pierredumoulin8305God should’ve just killed Adam and Eve so that us and mankind would not exist. My biggest issue with God Is that he continued creating humans when he should’ve killed Adam and Eve

[@danielblair4413]

@@fernandounda3681 says: *Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.* Satan was in heaven, and he sinned and got kicked out of heaven as a result of it. In heaven (or should I say the new creation instead) I believe we will be able to sin if we want to due to having freewill, but if we do then we will be sent to the lake of fire as a result of that sin just like Satan was kicked out of heaven (not the new creation) when he sinned. Knowing the fact of that is what is going to prevent anyone from sinning in heaven (the new creation) because they will not want to lose what they have in heaven (the new creation). In other words, everyone in heaven (the new creation) will have learned something from the mistake that Satan made when he decided to sin in heaven (not the new Creation). Does that make sense to you?

[@erickeegan5999]

I pray God take my free will. I’m just tired 😢 I can take it anymore

[@NeverDoubtMe23]

@@erickeegan5999 that's how I feel, I am tired of fighting....I just want to walk with Jesus and not deal with this fallen world.

[@NeverDoubtMe23]

Exactly, I don't want to be tempted anymore, I don't want to do bad things, I don't want to keep hearing proof that Jesus did exist but then hear how that evidence is wrong. I am so tired of the contradictions, I am tired of worrying about going to hades, I want rest, I want no more death or disease or sickness.

[@Boluwatiifee]

This is still a little bit baffling to be honest because of course the bible tells us that "In sin did our mother conceive us" and of course we partake in the sin of Adam and Eve. But it makes sense when you explain saying in summary that essentially, we wouldn't know light if we never experienced darkness. The reason we know love is because we know what hate feels like. Also, although this question of why God did what he did may continue to linger, I always come to the point of realization where I understand as God made clear to Job after all his suffering - He is God and I'm not. I'm his creation and my role is Obedience. Job 38:4-7

[@therant3837]

The part about "in did our mothers conceived us". Just hold onto that for a moment.... WHAT IF..... Adam and Eve didn't sin? If that conception were made without the fall just imagine what kind of world we'd have today. Conception in perfection. While many people try to say that sex itself is an act of fallen man in sin I disagree with this statement. Just imagine..... Conception in Perfection. What a world we'd have today. But.... that's not what happened. Would Job have suffered the way he did? No.... he wouldn't have. Look at the definition of Eden.... it's like an alignment of the cross roads of Heaven and the Creation as almost a single unit. Since Eden is no longer here God made other ways to come to us since he couldn't do it directly as he did Adam and Eve. This topic is fascinating. You are right..... our role is our obedience to our creator. It's as simple as not eating the fruit. Once that happened perpetual decay occurred because perfection was and is no longer perfect, making it imperfection. As God is perfect and we are not in our fallen state it's interesting to see mankind trying to still to this day make their own world from their fallen perspective instead of in God's perfection. Without God's perfection even the greatest of man's achievements aren't that great by scale in comparison to God's achievement in creation.

[@krismccoy8581]

My personal revelation is that God did not want us to be robots. He wants us to love Him by choice not mandate. Free Will is the greatest gift and curse. We get to travail through the good and the bad, and God offers His Hand through it all. I feel guilty because trusting God makes me feel a bit spoiled, entitled, etc. But hey, I didn't make the rules He did. And that leads me to my biggest revelation, please imagine how spoiled rotten we would be in Heaven if we never been through some tough times.

[@Karin0031]

Amen!

[@get2it7]

Babies know love though when they haven’t experience hate.

[@valenciarose8616]

I always had questions like this, why did He create us knowing full well, we were going to separated from Him, why did He put the tree im that garden. Just to find out it was all part of His plan. And then I ask God says He doesn't want anyone to go to hell but all come to Christ. He still knew from the beginning that many people weren't gonna come to Him and still created them anyway.. His thoughts are definitely higher than ours, we shall never understand some things.

[@danango1736]

Maybe the tree is originally come from the earth not from Eden. And if eating the fruit from the tree, it will make stomach ache and have to go the toilet immediately.. meanwhile there no a single toilet in the Eden. Then, you know...

[@WhatismanwithoutGod]

Well, think of it like this. You know now of the possibility. So why not give your life to him and change it?

[@get2it7]

All part of His plan…ok I understand, but it’s at the cost of so many souls. It just doesn’t make sense to put so much effort into a creation just for that creation to be “deceived” into their own downfall.

[@get2it7]

@@WhatismanwithoutGod because there are some flaws in the narrative

[@WhatismanwithoutGod]

@get2it7 Brother. The devil is at the heart of it all. It's for that reason you should make that choice. Accept the free gift of salvation. He's set out to destroy everything the Lord has made. But only the Lord can save you. This is the problem with most people. They put the blame on God but forget, 1: the devil is real. 2: You have the freedom to choose not to sin. But being that we are no match for him is why you need Jesus. He alone can save us. The devil only seeks to destroy. That is why he presented himself to her. He knew what would happen, and he wanted it to happen. That is why the life of a Christian at times is so much harder. He doesn't want us turning to God, and when we do, he torments, tempts, and even at times try to destroy us. When you see a non Christian striving, don't think, "Oh, I don't need to follow God then, I can survive on my own." Buddy, sometimes the devil allows you to lead a good life because he doesn't want you turning to God. He doesn't want you to go to heaven.

[@arthouston7361]

This is related to the somewhat larger question of, “why did God create anything?”… and perhaps, since we are made in His image…. the best answer is, “so that He could know us, and that we could know Him”….and I’m completely content with that idea.

[@joshuakarr-BibleMan]

James 1:18 tells us. He made us so we could be a kind of firstfruits of all He made. It's the same as your answer in a lot of ways, which means I can mostly agree with you.

[@get2it7]

But what about the other souls who might not get to know Him? And right…but then why let mankind fall?

[@arthouston7361]

@@get2it7 God's planning includes both those who will know Him and those who will refuse to know Him. The Bible says that this was known before the foundation of the world, and by free will he allows us to decide to not spend eternity with him. God will not force you to be in a heaven where you do not wish to belong.

[@get2it7]

@@arthouston7361 there are people who don’t refuse Him, but haven’t had the opportunity to know Him. Just want to get to the bottom of all this because it seems I will be sacrificing a lot if I choose to follow Jesus to the end.

[@get2it7]

@@arthouston7361 I would have to deny my self as Jesus said if I want to be his disciple …but I must be sure this is the truth

[@susanmathew7102]

Having freewill was not my choice. Wish God has guarded both trees and His children created in His image from this evil world

[@joenelson5819]

Without freewill, we would be a robot, yeah?

[@haitaelpastor976]

@@joenelson5819 I'm perfectly fine with free will being to choose between vanilla or chocolate icecream.

[@kaiser5125]

​@joenelson5819 how do you define free will?

[@mr.cosmos5199]

“ From Him and through Him and to Him are all things” He is the Alpha and the Omega. It’s all His “ show”. Just perplexed by the fallout and casualties as a result of God’s Plan Of Salvation.

[@willjen6595]

I hope that you find your faith 🙏 Here have a pill, it’s called “blind faith”

[@flightparamedic505]

Thank you for providing this biblically based answer to this question. I am thankful for this video and I pray that those who don’t know the saving grace of Jesus Christ come to accept his free gift of salvation.

[@fernandounda3681]

*/***This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.

[@rlcmza6705]

@@fernandounda3681 A omnipotent God is not forced to do anything. If he's all good then it must be good to create people who will be tortured forever. It must also be good to kill people with natural disasters. There are very good reasons to believe libertarian free will doesn't exist so don't use that argument. They have done studies on the brain that show you subconsciously makes choices before you consciously know it. This God is a contradiction and doesn't exist. I could believe in an evil God that would fit the data a lot better but why believe in any unfalsifiable entity.

[@NeverDoubtMe23]

I would rather be a robot that doesn't have free will than to burn in hell for all eternity....maybe that is just me?

[@coolgoku810]

However God has given you free will and the gift of eternity if choose to accept Jesus

[@JD10503]

@@coolgoku810 Free will is an illusion at best and an outright lie at worst.

[@coolgoku810]

@J D free will Is the choice between following God and following sin . It's not about no one knowing your next move. just because God knows your actions doesn't mean he influences them

[@JD10503]

@@coolgoku810 God doesn't just know our actions. He determined our every thought, word and deed before He spoke the world into being. Free will cannot exist in the presence of omniscience and omnipotence. God and God alone has true free will. We, mere created things, do not.

[@coolgoku810]

@J D he's aware of our every thought and deed but he doesn't force us to make choices we follow or rebel against him through our choice.

[@lindalinton9453]

Your videos are helpful for teaching Bible Study. Thank you for making them and the commentary.

[@AudreyWortman]

THANK YOU JESUS FOR SAVING ME FROM MYSELF..MY SAVIOR..MY REDEMER ❤🎉🎉🙏💪☝😇🙌🙌😎🤗🦾

[@tomm6167]

The apostle Paul answers the question: *"God* has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all." (Romans 11:32, ESV). "The creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of *him who subjected it,* in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God." (Romans 8:19-21, ESV). God takes responsibility for man's sin, and hints at a beautiful future for everybody.

[@HuggyBob62]

"Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. ** In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions **." (Exodus 16:4) God wants to know if we will be obedient children. That still stands for each one of us today.

[@coolgoku810]

@George Vazquez it's not for Hod to know but for God to revel it to us. Many can say they are obedient and faithful when things are well but will they be when things are difficult. God tests us to show us our true character when we are in trials.

[@anetteridleyrodriguez]

So if God foretold everything, isn't man having free will contradicting? It isn't really free will. Could God just have known how things were going to play out? Which to me means he didn't orchestrate as anything. Why create so it can all go to s***? Didn't God basically cause the fall of man by putting the tree of the knowledge of good and evil right under Adam and Eve's noses, knowing they would partake?

[@martingo2680]

That's a logical question..

[@cl20v87]

The universal question, that often stems from the idea “if I were God I would have…” Someone once pointed to me his ways are perfect, therefore by default He knows better. He knew, but I never will, So how can I judge Him. The book of Job. Will Man lower God to be judge over Him to make himself righteous

[@JtheCritic]

What does "perfect" mean? If God claims to be all powerful, all knowing, and all loving, but his only response to human sin is the torturous human sacrifice of his own son, I'm going to question his claim to perfection. If he's all loving, torturing his own son to death shouldn't be an option he's ever consider. If he's all powerful, he should be able to forgive humanity without a blood offering, and if he's all knowing, he should have been able to come up with a much better method.

[@mattrose4860]

Great biblical answers Praise God

[@findabh]

The main issue i am struggling with is hell. With all respect and glory to God It is beyond our understanding why eternal punishment is given to humanity. People are dying and going to hell and there's no second chance. It is heartbreaking.

[@PoppinPsinceAD33]

Eternal punishment is given because we are naturally evil and want to get away from God. Yes from our point of view humans aren’t that bad, but imagine the definition of love, the definition of righteousness, in one being and seeing us.

[@jean-pierredumoulin8305]

there is no such thing as Hell . The book of revlation talks about the lake of fire only to state that those who are trowned in it do not suffer but are givenn eternal death. and that is where the devil and his angel are going. those whom have died are sleeping profoundly in death in the commom tomb of all mankind, their only hope is reusurrection at the end of time.

[@gracealone89]

@@jean-pierredumoulin8305 That’s a totally wrong take on the subject. Hell is most definitely real. The Lake of Fire is the final eternal punishment for all unbelievers where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in literal lava/fire. It is complete darkness separated from God, because God is light and there is no light in Hell

[@user-bl4lf9rg8m]

​@@PoppinPsinceAD33if we are naturally evil then it's not our fault if we're made that way

[@PoppinPsinceAD33]

@@user-bl4lf9rg8m but.. God didn’t make us evil. So there is a problem.

[@cheryldwyer494]

These answers make God look totally selfish. Why did He NEED anyone to worship Him. He's good but did all this to see us suffer in heinous ways? And it's really not free will. We choose salvation or God's wrath. Well I'm not choosing His wrath. Why do any of this!? It says God is needy. It says God was incomplete if He needed all this for Himself and He has to enjoy the suffering for who would ever choose to do or allow such awfulness if given a choice? I just do not understand one bit.

[@serendipia7177]

Si needy of love and worship that children need to starve in the name of sin is he can be love and worship

[@michaelpettit6510]

In my mind, the question is why did God allow Lucifer (or a demon) to be sent to earth, the Garden of Eden of all places in the first place?

[@kevinburrell3359]

Then we can say why did he allow us?

[@kevinburrell3359]

He gives freedom

[@JtheCritic]

​@@vazgl100 a test is pointless if you already know the outcome. I don't need to keep throwing things off a cliff to know if gravity exists. A test is used to find out information about something, but if god's all-knowing, he isn't going to learn anything from a test nor does he need to.

[@JtheCritic]

@@vazgl100 I repeat myself- why does a god who is all knowing create any kind of test, when he already knows what the result will be? If God is all knowing, then he made mankind knowing it would fail the test. They were always going to fail, because God made them knowing they would, and chose not to make a humanity he knew would pass the test. If you are all knowing and all powerful, you have no ignorance or weakness to justify your failure or avoid responsibility. If anything he created failed, he created it knowing it would fail, so responsibility for any failure of a creation lies on the creator who purposefully made it to fail.

[@aarondk74]

@@JtheCriticGod can’t be righteous and justice if there’s no sin , He allowed sin for he can forgive us and love. There can’t be forgiveness without sin

[@isaiahmcallister3883]

“We would never know grace.” See, I don't believe that, because there are Angels that never sinned ever and are sentient beings like us. And God loves them too. His will does always happen. So perhaps this is right.

[@johnnemeth825]

If God wanted us to freely love Him and not make us robot so we loved Him because he made us with no choice to choose to love him God wanted us to love him and follow the Lord commands He gave us free will to choose to love Him and be his children and our Father we are not like angels we are below angels now for what Jesus did to Save us from our sins Hallelujah

[@danielmullings3600]

am just asking.If god is omniscient how can human have Free will? because he would already knew every choices a person would make before he created them.

[@johnnemeth825]

@@danielmullings3600 God gave us freewill to choose between right and wrong because He wanted us to love Him buy our choice not a robot the Lord told us the consequences to our wrong decisions and gave us the ability to learn from our sins and take responsibility for them and not blame anybody else the Lord created us because God is Love Jesus Died on the cross and took our punishment for our sins and shed His Blood to wash away our sins and when we confess and repent and have faith to believe in what Jesus did for we can have Salvation in Jesus who is our Savior and our God and when we die Jesus take all who believe in Him back to Heaven to live forever with Him no more sickness no more tears Bo more anger no more sadness no more hatred no more death Hallelujah those that don't believe in Jesus and don't turn away from their sins will spend eternity in Hell and God never wanted that for mankind but that is our freewill choice we get to make do we want to go to Heaven or do we want to go to Hell our choice please turn from your sins confess and repent get on your knees Believe and invite Jesus into your heart. Today You will never regret that decision do it today please Jesus is our Salvation Savior and our God Hallelujah I will be praying for you Amen 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Amen 🙏

[@johnnemeth825]

@@danielmullings3600there is only one True God the other people that say their gods are true are wrong they believe in a pagan god that cannot Save they are the lies of the devil which can save no one and hates you and wants you to spend your life in Hell suffering pain please turn to Jesus while there is still time Jesus is coming soon to save who believe Amen 🙏

[@mshah1193]

@@johnnemeth825 You said God "WANTS" people to love him. First creating them with pre-destined choices and then punishing them is not a benevolent all-loving God, but this God is actually worse than Satan. Why does God have WANTS? Wants are desires. Is God not satisfied, why does he "want" things? Why does he want to be loved and glorified? God is lacking which makes him not God and certainly not benevolent, but he's a malevolent force.

[@johnnemeth825]

@mshah1193 so sad you are blind to Truth Jesus open the eyes and hearts of all people to the Truth of God's Holy Word the Bible in Jesus name I pray Amen 🙏 Jesus is the only way for Salvation there is no other way Amen 🙏 I pray for all people to come to know the Truth that Jesus is our Savior and our God Hallelujah Amen 🙏

[@gracepilditch9388]

I need to listen to this again… and again!

[@ter8330]

Man is a free moral agent.I never teach he he has actual free will. Secondly, best answer I ever heard for permitting Adam and Eve's sin is "because He apparently thought it was worth it."

[@christclinger6540]

That’s the best answer I’ve heard to this issue of free will vs predestination. I love this explanation because I believe both exist in scripture but seem to contradict. Since I know there are no contradictions in the Bible, I chalked it up to my lack of full revelation of God.

[@slimfit767]

the Bible says the elect are according to the foreknowledge of God the father.meaning that God didnt choose some and reject the rest,which is what the Calvinist will tell u.

[@anofritz]

thank you Gotquestions

[@antoniolszewski3746]

Thanks for explanation! 👍😁

[@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676]

✟ Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD. Psalms 4:5 (KJV)

[@TheRastacabbage]

We were created so that we can become like God

[@teespirit8465]

Lucifer sin first before man was ever created I think it is a little deeper then the way he’s explaining God can also turn off his foreknowledge.

[@laurentforrent777]

Only thing that would be fair but I don't think scripture backs that up

[@Shalom332]

PRAISE THE LORD 🙌🙌 Please Pray for my Father he drinks alcohol and doesn't listen to anyone

[@Pensivepenelope1]

As in the song how great though art: And I shall bow in humble adoration, and then proclaim my God, How Great Thou Art. It is an ineffable display of cosmic art

[@levarcarter]

If God knew that Adam and eve would sin then why did he made them , and why did he said he regret making human ? Genesis 6:6 The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

[@n1nj910]

So God does make mistakes bc u can't regret something if u didn't make a mistake. Idc if God makes mistakes he's still my creator nothing will change that and no one has to be perfect :)

[@n1nj910]

If that's the case it opens my eyes up to the fact that I'm like him and he's like me he knows what I've been through because he's been through it before if not worse hence the possibility of where the term made in the image of God came from...

[@tori_va807]

Another thing is that love is not just a feeling, it's a choice. That's why God created us, He wanted us to choose to love Him, love is illistrated perfectly by Christ CHOOSING to give up His life for us. You make a choice, but God is outside time so He already knows what you're going to choose, and His great plan will prevail because He's the writer of this story and the characters in the book cant just take away the pen and write what they want

[@haitaelpastor976]

So there's no free will because everything goes and will go according to plan. This can only mean we're just playthings in a sick game.

[@tn9783]

I haven't seen video answer yet, but believe The Most High God still created Adam & Eve (even when HE knew they will sin) because they STILL serve a PURPOSE!

[@gigololucifer3191]

What free will?.. If he knew, it's no free will. Free will doesn't exist,in this case.

[@alkaline8608]

This is an insufficient circular answer.

[@MichaWeTrust]

Still doesn’t feel like answer because I could still ask one thing. Why?????

[@red_plot_.98]

And he loves us

[@anekaye4446]

I KNOW GODS KING OF ALL...I DONT ASK ???SOUTOF CONTRADICTION OR DOUBT...I JUST ASK IN A WOOOWWW!!! STATE OF MIND! HIS WAYS ARE SO HIGH SO PERFECT!!!

[@superlav9331]

Great explanation!

[@roberthagedorn290]

Adam and Eve disobey the Genesis 1:28 commandment--the first commandment--to "be fruitful and multiply [in the Garden]" when they become one flesh incorrectly (Genesis 2:24) by eating from the wrong tree in the allegorical Garden's center (Genesis 2:9).

[@katarinanomadian737]

For His Glory!

[@fernandounda3681]

*-*This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.

[@katarinanomadian737]

@@fernandounda3681 Without sin, evil, and punishment, not all of God's attributes would be on display. Let me elaborate. All of us would be on our way to eternity for the eternal punishment, which we deserve for our sins, because God is righteous and just. But because he is also a merciful God, by grace He has saved some of us sinners. God is glorified in His mercy as well as in His justice.

[@fernandounda3681]

@@katarinanomadian737 dyou arent`getting the problem Lets put ourselves in God's shoes, as best as we can. if you know that if you have sex your wife will get pregnant , and the doctor says that if you have sex he know with 100% certanty that the baby will come out without legs, and KNOWING that the baby will come out without legs, would you choose to have sex, knowing that your child will suffer all his life. If you say yes you are horrible parent. This is a better illustration,

[@katarinanomadian737]

​@@fernandounda3681 I do understand your question, and yes, it is a hard one to answer. My short answer is the one I started out with: For His Glory!

[@fernandounda3681]

@@katarinanomadian737 It is to much pain to know my children will end up in hell why god permit this

[@HumbleHeartMinistry]

Great answer! It think also that if God made Adam to not have the freewill to choose, then Man would not have been created in Gods image. And man would have been nothing more than a programmed robot! And since He wanted man to love him, a robot would never do!

[@JD10503]

Is it for love or for His glory that He created man? God needed a portion of humanity to condemn to demonstrate His wrath and justice. That was why He deemed it fitting that Adam should fall.

[@JtheCritic]

​@@JD10503 so he created humanity with the purposeful intent that some would be doomed to commit evil and be tortured by their creator, and he willingly sacrificed all those who would become the victims of those evil acts to their fates, so that he could justify torturing other humans.

[@JtheCritic]

But isn't God all loving? Isn't it a trait of God to not commit evil? Wouldn't making us that also be in God's image? If God not being able to commit evil doesn't make him a robot, why can't we be the same?

[@get2it7]

Then why let man fall at the very beginning and not interfere preventing all the suffering mankind would suffer in this life and the after life ?

[@HumbleHeartMinistry]

@@get2it7 Freewill is why! God created us with the right to choose!

[@willjen6595]

God, for he chose us in advance, and he makes everything work out according to his plan. Ephesians 1:11 Biblical God - capable of deciding everything Also biblical god - creates human to serve, praise, love him knowing they will suffer in life and will be potentially tormented for all eternity But hey it’s okay, it’s all going just as he intended. Because after all, he has absolute control over everything. Again, he has absolute control over everything, including our future. He knew what every, single, cell in our brain is made of, because he designed them. And yet, and yet we, who were designed by a perfect being, turned out imperfect. What does that say about this biblical god? He is a desire of mankind written in an ancient book. A perfect being that created imperfect beings. A being we can look up to in times of trouble. A being that lets us say “oh hey, it’s fine, god will take care of us” All our worries are irrelevant, as long we keep our faith in god. Hey if any question or topic comes up, worry not, because we still have one trump card left. “Blind faith”

[@brianpendez5340]

In my view we have to look at the 1/3 of angels who fell with Satan to answer this question. Why did they choose to rebel against God? I believe they choose to rebel because they didn't understand the consequences of doing that. Perhaps God is using this creation as a stage to demonstrate the consequences of going against God and only the ones who understand this (being born again) will make it into Heaven. Now, after seeing firsthand the consequences of sin, it will be extremely difficult if not impossible for another mass fall of angels in Heaven.

[@brianpendez5340]

@@vazgl100 Satan was truly cast out of heaven, it's in the word of God specifically describing it. If you're doubting that Satan was cast out of heaven you're doubting the word of God.

[@NickSandt]

If God said “let’s make man in Our LIKEness” and if after Adam and Eve ate from the knowledge tree God said “look! Now they are LIKE one of Us!” then does this mean God used reverse psychology to make them in Their likeness?

[@JosiahFickinger]

Those are 2 different aspects. One was about our fundamental similarities to God and the other was just a knowledge aspect.

[@peterhannah6866]

Genesis 1: 26, 27 - "Then God said, "Let US make human beings in our image, to be like US." (God was talking to His Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit.) 27 - So God created human beings "IN HIS OWN IMAGE". In the image of God He created them, male and female He created them." These two verses clearly say that God "created them in "HIS" image - but also in "OUR IMAGE." Jesus came to earth "IN OUR PERFECT IMAGE - as God Created Him - AND us - and it is like Jesus - that we should try to live - but it is impossible! Jesus came to earth in the image in which we were initially created, but because of the Fall - He came as our Saviour and Redeemer!" Hence, we - again - can be in His image, when we give our hearts and souls to HIM.

[@lucidfangirl1030]

Reverse psychology is manipulative, and manipulation is a no-no in God's ways

[@markleon4749]

Father forgive them verse is in Luke 23. 34.

[@Herikeeeee]

Wait a minute. Something just clicked here. Adam and Eve lived in Eden, a place free from sin. So they didn't know SIN. This is like giving a gun to a kid. NOTHING GOOD WOULD COME OUT OF IT. So why do it anyway? And when the gun fires off, the fault is the person who gave the gun, or the kid? The kid doesn't know any better, just like Adam and Eve. Plus, why does God need us to know his grace, mercy, love etc? Can't he just be a chill dude? I don't want my friends to be "my friends" and appreciate my love because they know my Wrath. That's not much of a choice if other than glorifying me they will suffer. And if God's end goal is for everybody to glorify him, why the extra steps? Why not create a place free from evil for people to glorify him? People say it's because they don't want "robots" that just love him, but his end goal sounds just like it, a place where everybody glorifies God.

[@willjen6595]

Simple. Something perfect does not give birth to something imperfect. Biblical god is not perfect because it was man made, therefore an imperfection occurs(creation of fictional imperfect beings such as Adam and Eve). If the Bible is true word for word, the book will end in one sentence. “All is perfect.”

[@get2it7]

I’m with you, but then again ..what would the purpose of life be and what is life ? It’s so confusing to be honest

[@justinnyawera8804]

Personally I think Noah wasnt saved by grace but by favour due to his up rightness with god....

[@Cici_Silo]

I don't want free will because I would only use it to screw up even worse than I already have. Only God has actual free will. Men have apparent free will which us just enough freedom to be responsible for our choices but not enough freedom to thwart God. If we had free will, we would only use it to choose continued rebellion against God. We would never use it to submit to God. A person can worship God, or he can worship his own free will, which doesn't actually exist. As Martin Luther said: "Free will is a downright lie." I have pity on all Christians who, in their abject ignorance, say they believe that God gave us free will.

[@torianmcneill3794]

Love isn’t forced that’s like a man forcing a woman to be with him & she doesn’t want to be him or a woman forcing a man to be with her & the man says no he don’t wanna be with her or the woman tells the man she don’t wanna be with him so God doesn’t force Himself on mankind that proves everyone has free will

[@Мирич-з4е]

I don't know why people think that if, Adam and Eve didn't ate the fruit, then this world would still be perfect. Do you really think that after a while, God is gonna remove the tree? Do you really think he, will not test them again and again until they fail? Of course he will. He doesn't want robots, who obey every single thing he says. He wants to give them free will and some of them will fail.

[@willjen6595]

He longs for beings that’s bound to fail for his own needs.

[@TheGrayton2000]

I wish I was a robot

[@valenciarose8616]

People like saying robots. But before Adam and Eve fell. They looked normal, nothing robot like. They literally chatted with God, playing with animals and who knows what more they did before the fall.

[@get2it7]

But the Bible literally says that God just wants you to obey Him

[@CatTechSupport]

God made man in his image and Eve from a part of Adam. Part being made from the image of god as shown in Genesis is free will and the ability to choose just as it is shown many times over that God chooses people for specific things. The key thing people to not take note of is upon eating of the fruit from the tree of good and evil Adam and Eve became aware of that which was had to exist but is something so mind breaking that it takes hold and warps you. The original sin is the stepping into the domain of god and seeing just how cruel the world can be, but before that Adam and Eve were innocent just as a child would be. It is an ever prevalent concept of reality itself that for good to exist so must it’s opposite.

[@exaucemayunga22]

Do you not believe that Adam and Eve's sin was part of God's plan?

[@get2it7]

@@exaucemayunga22then if it was…it’s at the expense of mankind

[@JD10503]

Because He needed a race to both elect and reprobate. God desires to display both His love and His hate for humanity. He wished to demonstrate His mercy for those He desires to save and His wrath on those He does not love, those He desires to condemn.

[@JtheCritic]

So he had an uncontrollable need to have people to justifiably torture, so he created a species that was inherently flawed and doomed to constantly produce people who would commit unspeakable atrocities on their fellow people, so that God could satisfy his bloodlust. And all the victims of these atrocities were knowingly sacrificed to their fates by this all knowing god, so that God could use their suffering, which he knew about and allowed to happen, as justification for torturing people.

[@a.d.c7941]

Ok, but heres the thing, the bible says we are born into sin and shapen in iniquity. Basically meaning we are born with bad, evil nature. Our nature is bad. So we already have a negative start if this is so. Maybe this is why the bible says few will find the narrow right path. God is God and can do what he wants but if I create something knowing that it is going to fail…. Idk, it seems pretty brutal to me.

[@valenciarose8616]

Right. But we can never understand His thoughts.

[@a.d.c7941]

@@valenciarose8616 very true

[@mennoshouseofmusic1214]

If sin didn’t exist before Eve eating the apple, how could she know it was bad in the first place, as she was innocent?

[@n1nj910]

Because God had to have created sin beforehand sin couldn't have just came out of nowhere it had to have been created

[@tori_va807]

Well it did. The Devil sinned before Eve did, and he was the one who coerced Eve to sin. Now the Devils evil was born from his free will as well, the pride that he felt after God elevated him

[@leia11-x2b]

I think they just left him either by energy wise or imagination they left and he never intended for separation between us and him

[@nirmalmathew97]

God created them with freedom to choose, they chose evil_ going away from God the light, but God didn't forsaken them but give a hope

[@billballoo7881]

The question(s) are valid but it's humorous that man is answering for God

[@Kebeann]

Can you answer this one for me GoqQuestion, Why did God created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the first place? Thank You.

[@ExperienceEric]

The most obvious answer is looking at what role it played in mans fall and eventual redemption to eternal life. God did not want to create robots programmed to love Him, He wanted beings made in His own image to CHOOSE to love Him over all else. That is also the way most people would choose to have people love them, of their own free will. After all, HE made us after His own image, so its no surprise we would seek the same type of love. It also appears HE wanted us to live out the experience of choosing Him over all else, and for us to understand and grow from that choice.

[@Herikeeeee]

@@ExperienceEric But why? Isn't the "end goal" for us to be in a place where everybody loves God(paraside, heaven etc)? So why is it any different from just creating a place free from evil? And doesn't it sound a little bit like a blackamail? Sure you can "choose" to love God and be in paradise OR not love him and SUFFER, but that doesn't sound like a "healthy" relationship. Plus, God deliberately put the tree there, HE KNEW Adam and Eve would be tempted(he is omniscent) YET he did it anyway. It's like giving a gun to a little kid, YOU KNOW nothing good would come out of it, so why do it in the first place? Then when the gun fires off, is it the kid's fault or the person who gave the gun to a kid?

[@ExperienceEric]

@@Herikeeeee But again you are talking about a place that is absent of free will, a place where you have no free will to love God and follow Him. Not even you and I want people to love us because they are forced to, we want people to love us of their own free will. Children learn and grow from mistakes, a child who can never make a mistake or bad choice cannot grow and learn. Adam lived almost 1000 years after he ate of the tree, to compare that to handing a gun to a small child is a totally false analogy. And lets be honest here, we can go 1000 miles down any rabbit hole you choose, but we still end up back at the same place in the end, Either Jesus and the Bible are real or they are not. A small child can disagree with the parent just as you can disagree with a judge, but in the end the child and you have to answer to the judge whether you want to agree with them or not. The parent and judge has made this incredibly easy for us, just repent and believe in Christ with all our heart and we are justified and redeemed, or reject Christ and His sacrifice and fall under judgement. He has told us ahead of time what each choice will lead to. Salvation is incredibly simple and easy when its genuine in your heart. And everyone who comes to it will testify how it changes your life forever.

[@Herikeeeee]

@@ExperienceEric But the paradise is already a place absent from free will. It will only happen when everyone glorifies God. Sure you can argue that they chose it, but the other option is suffering. He could've created a place with free will but free from evil. Why not? You can choose to glorify him or not, to do what you like(except from evil). I think everyone would agree that this sounds pretty good. Why all the testing if he already knows the result. Yes, we learn from mistakes, but the consequences of this one were big, I would say even unfair. I didn't eat the forbidden fruit, why do I have to go through this if it were Adam and Eve's fault?

[@ExperienceEric]

@@Herikeeeee You don't fall under judgment for Adam and Eve's sin, you fall under judgment for YOUR sin. SIns YOU commit, not their sins. And you are still trying to argue with a judge. You already know ahead of time if you repent and accept Christ you are justified and redeemed, and if you reject Him you are judged for your sin. So you can complain and protest all you like, in the end you still choose where you go. The only thing keeping you from repenting and accepting Him is your own pride and live of your sin. He has already take your sin and judgment uppn Himself for your redemption, all you have to do is accept His free gift of forgiveness through Him. Why would you want to reject that and end up in hell? You lose EVERYTHING and gain nothing. How is that a sound choice?

[@AcruxethGaming]

It's a great video with solid proofs to back up your argument. But you did not address one problem, one that I cannot understand and I have not seen a satisfying answer for it. Adam and Eve were deceived by Satan and made the wrong choice. Two innocent children, probably just born yesterday, have a face-off with an ancient, cunning, wise and charismatic being like Satan. Even Michael the great and mighty archangel could not face Satan alone without the Lord's help (Jude 1:9). What is Adam and Eve, two newborn souls? The question is: out of all the worlds, the stars, the galaxies throughout the entire universe, why of all places did God choose to cast Satan down to Earth, and THEN create mankind in the exact same place? Isn't it a setup for failure? Won't they eventually fall, given enough time? Isn't Satan going to find every conceivable way to deceive and destroy God's prized creation? And it's not just Satan and mankind living in the same spot. God also planted the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, right there, within the grasp of Adam and Eve. Obviously, God couldn't care less if Satan ate from that tree because he already has the knowledge of good and evil. Why did God ever put that tree there, with the most deceptive, charming and evil being known to creation, one that even an archangel of God is reluctant to face, along with two humans who had just barely come into existence with no experience whatsoever? I hate to say this, but it looks like the odds are against Adam and Eve. And if what you said in this video is true, then it goes to show that - may God forgive me for saying this - God wanted it to happen. All the conditions were right. It was a perfect storm. And according to your video, it seems like this was done so that God will use the fall of mankind to show grace and mercy, justice and wrath, and eventually bring glory to Himself. And it required the process of redemption, which included the horrendous torture and execution of Jesus Christ, and we are saved and comforted by His resurrection. So... here's what I think. 1. God made the heavens and the earth. He first populated heaven with angels, including Lucifer and the archangels. After some time, Lucifer wanted to be as powerful as God, and he was expelled from heaven because of his pride. 2. Lucifer then inhabited the earth. It was still a ball of water (without form) and because he and his gang of angels chose that as their destination, it grew dark, chaotic and ominous (void). 3. The spirit of God was hovering over the waters when it was without form and void. That is when Jesus saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven: he fell onto the earth. 4. God proceeded to shape the earth, parting the waters and creating dry land, creating the plants, birds, animals and fish. During the process of the six day creation, God made the tree of life and tree of knowledge of good and evil. Then, God made man. And God gave the command not to eat from the tree (note that Eve was not created yet, so Adam had to be the one to tell Eve). 5. God rested on the seventh day, watching and observing to see how man reacts to the newness of existence and interacting with the creation. 6. After that, Eve was made from Adam. And after an unknown period of time, probably not long after man was created, Satan showed up in the form of a serpent. Satan took the time to observe God's creation and he chose the serpent as the best candidate for being charming, alluring and deceptive. Eve, not being there to personally hear God's command against the forbidden fruit, ate of it in front of Satan. With that "amazing enlightenment", Eve had the idea to share it with Adam. And they both realised their nakedness. So what I'm trying to say is this. God knew, as this video explains, that Adam and Eve will fail the test. God kept quiet during the entire process of Satan deceiving Eve. Moreover, the command was only given to Adam and not to Eve, so it was Adam's duty to emphasize the cosmic-level importance of avoiding the forbidden fruit to Eve. Even though she did say to Satan that she knew it was wrong to eat it, we can tell that her resolve was not strong enough. Basically, they were only following God's commands and did not figure to question why it is wrong to eat it. All they know is they will die. It was Satan who imposed the question on them: what's so bad about eating the fruit? Did God really say you will die? He doesn't know what He is saying. He doesn't want you to be like Him, having the greatness of knowing good and evil. See, it is one thing to know good and evil. But it is another to know how to CHASE AFTER good and RUN AWAY FROM evil. How ironic it is, that Eve did not know that the manifestation of evil was standing before her, and in order to know that, she had to eat the fruit first to recognize evil and run away from it. So when Adam and Eve ate it, they knew what is good and evil, but they didn't know that the act of getting that knowledge in the first place is evil. That is why God gave the simple command, don't eat it, or you die. Nothing more. God hoped that they would have the innocence to obey Him, the childlike faith to listen and not question or doubt Him. But that didn't go as planned. This is the tragedy of mankind: that God allows mankind to have free will, that Lucifer took advantage of it, that man was deceived and chose to disobey God, that Jesus had to be sent to suffer unimaginable pain for our sake, and that humans have to suffer 6,000 years of existence on earth - wars, famine, persecution, plague, sexual immorality, murder, strife, competition, anxiety, living paycheck to paycheck, betrayal, coercion. And till this day, we still await the second coming of Jesus. This is the true tragedy of mankind.

[@JD10503]

No, the true tragedy is that man was allowed to live following the fall.

[@stephaniebatchelor6082]

If they where following instructions without the knowledge of good and evil and did not have the capacity to recognize evil then how did they have free will? How could they have known what it meant for god to be good? They did not have the defenses within them to fight any amount of evil. Also, when they ate the fruit it was only then that they became like the image of god. Why would he not make them in his image initially so they could have a personal moral understanding of their behaviors. It seems like a calculated method of creating indebtedness and justification for worldly suffering.

[@adamsanchez222]

As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today. -Genesis 50: 20

[@friscoviray1522]

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[@martingo2680]

So if Life choices run concurrent as God, God doesn't know the future. Plain and simple. Can't have it both ways.

[@MuMung101]

To all seeking answer, this is only Calvinists answers. There are other Christians answers which are not deterministic in nature. God created Adam and Eve knowing they would sin because God wants to love and be loved by us. In other words He wanted a family. (Read JOHN 1). And to love to exist both parties must have a free will or choice. God outweighs the cost and benefits and decide to create. He also provides a way to all our problems; Jesus.

[@gigololucifer3191]

"And the wrath of God is revealed against those who fail to glorify God" Wtf? That doesn't make sens. So if i im one of those who fail, by what i read, it's not my foult i failed.

[@roccocarlino067]

The world scriptures have defamed God the most. They have written false things about Him, and have corrupted the minds and intellects of many into believing such stories.

[@Magusbrrj27]

Great video! Thanks! 👏🏻😊👍🏼

[@fernandounda3681]

This is a really bad apologetics video, it doesn't answer why God creates people that God knows will reject him. Is he forced to create all humans even the ones that go to hell. if not why not create only those who go to heaven? Free will is not a solution because in heaven we will have free will and there will be no sin please help.-*

[@yahnessaYasharaal6777]

I also believe this is a great example for these politicians specially the Republican Party who believe the government has the right to make choices and decisions in a woman’s body. As a strong believer I believe abortion is wrong and a sin but if this was actually God’s Will to stop every single woman from sinning then why did God let Adam and Eve eat the fruit knowing this would cause a massive destruction, suffering and death in the world?! Something to think about. I’m not saying we shouldn’t stop ppl from harming others if we can actually prevent it like violence, stopping a child from harming the other child etc… There are things that we can control but we cant always stop someone’s willingness to sin. The Botton line is, God will judge these ppl based on the choices they made in this life not the choices the government made for them. Our mission is to tell the whole world about the gospel and show them the way to Christ. It’s their choice if they want to continue living a sinful life or living a righteous life!! Remember the ruler of this world is satan, and the Government is under Satan’s influence! Watch & Pray!!!

[@therant3837]

There's a problem with this line of thinking though.... Women were having abortions even when abortions were illegal. It's like say.... drugs. Marijuana was illegal but still many people used it. While in most states in some capacity marijuana is "legal" objectively most still use it illegally due to the wording of it's "legality". The same can be said true for homosexuality. No matter if it's a man or a woman or a 'child' if they have the mind to do something they know is wrong and they think they can "get away with it" they will do it. I say the word 'child' like I do because in a sense when we look at so called "maturity" when it comes to adults they still act like children in many respects. I can remember my time in the Army there wasn't so much of a preaching of abstinence of drugs, adultery or drunk driving.... in every duty station including Basic Training and AIT it was the philosophy of "Don't get caught". I've seen this over the years when it comes to how America operates whether it's politicians to the rich and even the poorest man.... "Don't get caught". Even in many primary schools nowadays they use that line. Just with the knowledge alone of God watching over us we as Christians SHOULD have the understanding of this truth of abstinence when it comes to the moral law of what we are permitted to do and not to do. It's as easy as "Do not covet". Covetousness brings upon just about every sin we have a name for if not every sin we have a name for. The one act of wanting something we're not supposed to have or something God has not given us whether it be rape, adultery, theft, murder, the list goes on, and see how one sin just creates another and another like the beginning of the fall of man.... one act created another and another sin. Does the government have a right to make something illegal? Yes it does. We need to remember what's written about following the laws of the land (provided it isn't sin), or that it's God who raises kings and kingdoms and causes them to fall. So yes.... the government is provided by God for order. We see this all the way back to the priests, prophets, judges and kings in The Bible for this reference as well. But..... there are even the godless societies that God allows to be raised before their mighty fall for their sin. Think of it as an example of both God's mercy and his wrath upon the people of this fallen world we live in.

[@gwine2nine52]

yes..the government is under satanic influence so does that mean Christians should not vote?

[@therant3837]

@@gwine2nine52 I'll be honest with you.... I personally don't vote. While many would disagree with me on this I'd just like for you to hear me out on this. God said.... "I cause kings to rise and to fall." As such God also said "I cause kingdoms to rise and kingdoms to fall." My faith in God is absolute that GOD is in control, not myself. That total surrender we're to give our God is that GOD is in control and not ourselves. I just..... personally believe we shouldn't be a part of the system that allows sin as it's doctrine. It's like war. Does God want us harming one another? No, he doesn't. LOVE YOUR ENEMIES. If your enemy makes you walk one mile go with him two. If your enemy smacks you across the face, turn him the other cheek also. What does the military signify? Death. Control. Revenge??? Should we as Christians promote ANY military activity? Yes we should pray for soldiers, but in all honesty WHAT are we really praying about? Are we praying that they come to their senses and stop being part of an organization that's sole purpose is destruction and violence? Yes I know he military has shown signs of mercy, but that mercy doesn't extend to the other side of a barrel of a gun. To those who will say things like.... then we wouldn't have the country we live in..... where's YOUR faith in God that GOD is in control and not yourselves? I see the same same with voting. "Voting" is a construct designed to give the illusion of power to the people, but nothing can be further from the truth, and we have seen that over and over again. People have forgotten the SOURCE of all grace and mercy due to their fear of what the big bad world is going to do to them. We have a creator that speaks all life into existence. We have a creator (Yeshua Ha Machiach) who heals all wounds, and SPEAKS diseases to be no more. We have a creator who is all knowing and all powerful. So the real question isn't if you should be voting or not; The real question is do you trust God's decision and choice on the matter of whatever GOD allows or has ordained? WE are not in control, and the more we try to believe that we are we aren't trusting Jesus truly, are we?

[@gwine2nine52]

@@therant3837 Is America great because God preordained it ? or is it because the choices and decisions our founders made that God blessed America? righteousness exalts a nation sin is a reproach to any people...when the people vote leaders in that are hell bent on legalizing sin because they are blinded by the God of this world guess what happens?? do u want to live like the apostles and early Christians who were slaughtered by the government who rejects religious freedom? as far as our military goes...freedom is not free. God allows men to fight for what's right and when we don't we suffer and God doesn't predetermine it. our choices bring consequences while God is still sovereign in the affairs of men.

[@gwine2nine52]

you do realize that the equality act and same sex marriage is a full on attack against religious freedom and which party and its supporters are forcing it on us?

[@CSUnger]

“I don’t know why He did that. Do you think that’s a good enough reason for you not to give your life to Him?”

[@kevinburrell3359]

Some people do because they are very angry. Those kinds must truly belong in God if they believe that but are just hurt. Those he do save so let us pray for them that he gives them mental clarity and continue to give us clarity..Thank you Jesus.

[@angel-ij4xv]

god knew the world would sin before he created it

[@haitaelpastor976]

@@kevinburrell3359 I was angry at first, but not anymore. I realized God is nothing but a cruel cosmic horror, and we're just playthings in a sick game of his. It's his nature and he created us for that. I wouldn't get angry at a hurricane for doing what it does, and I won't get angry at God for doing what he does: his sick sadistic game.

[@cidolphus]

The video makes one thing clear. God knew the horror of the future, but let it happen anyway to display his love, glory and mercy. If a human did this to a bunch of children, we'd crucify him (yeah, I know). We do not know the whole story. God has not told us. We have made doctrines and have defended these doctrines so they roll off the tongue when asked. But God has not said anything. People have written what they say God said. But God has not said anything about why he does what he does. What is written is how it is said God guides us to do what he wants and how we should be civil to each other and get rewards for doing what it is said God says. But have you ever heard God speak? Has God ever spoken his will and every creature hears once it is spoken and acknowledges? God has not SAID anything about why he does what he does.

[@TriPham-j3b]

The question is what is higher form of life than human except death ? It is then life is not needed

[@jeffreypardy2831]

adam had to give up a rib for eve and their son married a woman of nod, story is imperfect, because man wrote the book. they were warned not to mate with man directly but through their offspring the dna would uplift the human race.

[@crawlerjunkie4512]

If God knows what’s going to happen, was he complicit in satans actions? God knew what Job was going to do, so why let satan hurt him to prove what God already knew he would do?

[@eloiseramsey9276]

This support that it's not about this life it's about the life to come. Our real life is the life to come, this life is to teach us the eternal life under God's rule, not yours or any man is better. Just because you don't like it or thinks it's fair, means nothing, this's God's world, he's eternal and you're going to die one day, now who do you think got my vote?

[@anjalE30]

Why does anyone want children?? .....knowing one day they will get to an age, that they don't always listen to the instructions we set for them as loving parents??? Does that stop u from wanting to create a family......a child of your own to love....and to correct them, when they fall? True unconditional love, has no restrictions God is all knowing, all powerful But what good is having all the power......if u can't even use that power...to love and be loved in return ❤️🙏🕯️

[@get2it7]

I don’t want children because no matter how I raise them, they might still choose to live a life not dedicated to God. We can see many examples of this in the Bible.

[@get2it7]

Why bring life if there’s a high chance they will end up in eternal torment ?

[@mshah1193]

Having children is also immoral and a murder committed by the parents. I do blame my parents for procreating me. And my parents have to suffer because of me. There are plenty of people who choose not to have a children. Let me ask you: if you knew your child would be a serial killer or Adolf Hitler, would you create him??? God knew that people would be sinners and he still created them! That makes God to be an evil. At least parents are not as evil as God because parents do not know every single outcome of their child. But parents are also at fault for creating their child.

[@markoshun]

If gods purpose was to create a world in which his glory could be manifest in all its fullness. Why knowingly create flawed people?

[@MarcusCollins69]

why would god need leeser beings to worship it? seems like it has a small ego

[@kazmiller96]

This video says that God made the universe as a literal vanity project.

[@TheMouse254]

Does Christianity then tolerate human sacrifice? Killing of his son on the cross...I think that can easily be called human sacrifice This video does not answer the question, it is just philosophical without actually saying anything

[@Oandad]

I don't think Camilla Harris could have explained it any better.

[@BoundyMan]

I don't read the Bible too literally. When God tells Jeremiah that he knew him before he was born (Jer. 1:5), he didn't mean that he knew exactly everything that would happen to everyone in the future. Rather he meant that he had plans prepared ahead of time for every possible situation. If God actually knew that Lucifer, and Adam and Eve, would rebel and sin against him when he created them, it would be like a farmer intentionally planting seeds in his field that he knows will become plants that would harm his crops.

[@willjen6595]

He knew the outcome yet he made them, it’s not so hard to see. He needs his love and praise. Even if it means we suffer.

[@DonS-gu6nj]

You literally just destroy GOD's omnipotent trait. GOD is not comparable to a farmer. That's that worst comparison. Why? Because you can't compare GOD to anything.

[@BoundyMan]

@@DonS-gu6nj I am destroying nothing because nobody can destroy who God is. We can only compare him to what we know. There are many ways to describe God from a Farmer to a King to a Father to a Brother to a Lamb to a Lion, and so on. But even God has his limits, such as he can’t force us to do things against our will.

[@get2it7]

But why put all that effort into creation and humans for it to fall at the first two humans ? And why not stop right there, to prevent all the evil to come ?

[@n1nj910]

​@@get2it7maybe God doesn't care about all of us idk but I just hope God will lead us in the right direction and we all don't end up in hell bc none of us asked for this like if most of us are going to hell either way then what's the point in living anymore like just snap me out of existence now instead of forcing me to do something just to get snapped out of existence anyways at the end.

[@DonS-gu6nj]

Why does God need to be glorified? If you're GOD what is the purpose of wanting to be glorified? That's like looking for validation and a bunch of clicked likes on your post about how you created the universe. Is God that self-centered, or narcissistic? No because those are humanistic traits and GOD is not human. What I think is dangerous is using GOD to lead people to be servitude to a GOD that is being minimized by human measurements and ideals. GOD is immeasurable and no book, or Bible is every going to justify understanding GOD. You know you have found GOD when you stop living in fear of GOD and have to obey because you fear hell. I believe because GOD is Immeasurable. Humans are capable of incredible good and incredible evil with, or without GOD. Yeah without the fall of Adam and Eve the world wouldn't need to go through this BS. Period. It's like GOD playing sick joke, "If you want to know my justice, grace, mercy , and love, then you got to sin because that validates and justify me." Again, it's a insult to GOD if humans think they can minimize and measure GOD. Seriously, Westminster Confession of Faith? Let me sum it up for you. "You have free will, but really you don't."

[@kazmiller96]

The way this is explained sounds like some kind of cosmic horror story. Imagine The same story with names changed and you've described a terrifying existence.

[@emmanuel5566]

The concurrence part was difficult to understand. Maybe linking a video to Molinism and God's middle knowledge would be more helpful to understand that concurrence part!

[@michaeldillard521]

God gave Adam a command remember, Genesis 2-16-17

[@indoroyale7848]

I reject this explanation .My explanation would be that God's biggest attribute is freedom in free choice and free will . Now it isn't free will if there isn't an alternative choice which Eve and Adam could have chosen and which they unfortunately did . God wanted Adam and Eve to obey him if he enforced it by force and stopped them from eating that fruit there would be no distinguishing between man and a robot . Since it was man who heard God's orders and wilfully disobeyed them it is him to blame not God . If there is a warning sign on a high voltage electric fence and yet you decide against reason and touch it you alone are responsible for the pain and suffering caused after you did such a foolish thing . God wanted Adam and Eve to live alongside himself and abide in his presence at all times and for them to further innovate and create more in addition to his perfect creation. That's what I think . It would be evil to outright trap a recent creation and cause his downfall so as to show yourself as merciful and it would be the equivalent of setting someone on fire only to show yourself as merciful by using a fire extinguisher to put off the fire you caused .

[@YenkammaNe]

1. How many number of versions of Bibles have been created till date ?? 2. Can someone post reference Link about different versions of Bibles. 3. Can someone list combos of Christian denomination - Bible version

[@tpasi2020UG]

You did not explain why. You just quoted the bible. I am still confused.

[@WhatismanwithoutGod]

Quoted and explained. You lack understanding. Pray

[@ayotalsamoth6867]

Does not answer the question…… just babbling nonsense. A perfect entity cannot create imperfection!

[@flowd7451]

It’s so many… low faith in the comments…I understand the confusion but if the Bible said that’s what happened then that’s WHAT HAPPENED. If u don’t believe in what happened in the beginning, continue to have faith in God.💖

[@Robin_0011]

You didn't answer the question, and neither has anyone else. We simply don't know why God created mankind, even though He knew that they would use their free will to sin and turn against Him, resulting in eternal hell punishment.

[@black-cross]

yes he did. you're just not okay with the answer. you cant handle the truth and are just looking for something that satisfies your whims. the world, god dont work the way you want them to. so when somone says somthing just because you dont accept it doesnt mean its not true

[@Alreadyno]

@@black-crossthat would make god technically evil if he knows people won’t believe in him since he can see the future they get sent to hell? Meaning god is making people then sending them to hell for eternity making him evil

[@black-cross]

@@Alreadyno he's not evil for knowing your choice. you're evil for making the wrong choice. where's the accountability here? god knows your heart and he knows whether or not you deserve to be with him. theres many people in jail who deserve to be there. as soon as they get out of it they prove again why they should've never been set free. and there's a purpose for everything. maybe people in hell will have a purpose there too. we dont know everything. just like theres going to have work in heaven, there might also have it in hell.

[@Alreadyno]

@@black-crosssir or ma’am I’m saying if he is omniscient he already knows some of us will sin or make the wrong choice. Thereby they are already destined to eternal fire meaning intense agony making god not good

[@black-cross]

@@Alreadyno and again, how does that change your actions? i know you're going to do evil, but you're the one who did that evil. why is god to blame because he knows? you have free will. and by the way, people are willing to submit to their parents, bosses, money, sex... but they're not willing to submit to the one who has the true power over their bodies, souls and eternity. people want to be away from god and so they shall. and people forget that everything thats good is because of god. you only know whats good because of him.

[@tomhitchcock8195]

God cannot create creatures equal to Himself His choice was to not prevent it.

[@johammerstein3605]

then "God" is responsible for ALL of this mess !!!!!

[@get2it7]

It really should be the “serpent” that deceived Eve because they didn’t do wrong up until the serpent showed up

[@heywardsanders1680]

They say we were made perfect, but I beg the differ. Because the word perfect do not fit in with our character. What fit in our character is to be responsible of all the acts that comes into our life. To make better decision as we move on in life. If we were perfect a lot of things would have not been invented in our body, but they were invented for a reason to keep our minds bright. The same way we give the baby a time to be the baby, then as the stages come to the development, we change the stages as they grow. That's not perfect, it a growing learning process that keep the mind growing. Everything that were created around us, was for a purpose, how we use them is how we look at things. Being perfect would not allow us to see the hidden things in every creation we use to better the changing of life. Our creation come from being curious, not being perfect because perfect feels they do not have to do anything. The Adam and Eve theory, should not be hard to understand, from all the things we confused about, but should we be confuse. I think not, by all the things we went through, or watch the young grow up, and caught them doing everything we told them not to do. The mind was designed to be curious, and the body will be pushed to see what it is. That were created in us, that helped us to push it along. The good books that were created have information in it that we refuse to follow because the mind use the body to not obey. All those behaviors in us were designed for a reason, that we see it give us challenges, and debating each other. If we look at things today from the past, we can setback to see how we got here, and what we trying to do to keep moving forward. Responsibility I believe overpower perfect that we were told. Because perfect do not fit in with our abilities. To many mistakes to be perfect, but it fit in with our curiousness, and the responsibility to find a way to make things come out right, or wrong to guide our life.

[@Aphex217Twin]

wouldn't it bring more glory to God by creating an alternate world where he foreknew Adam, and Eve would pass the test?

[@evanbiter2138]

Is there irresistible grace in paradise?

[@coolgoku810]

If you are asking will we sin then no

[@darryltognarelli6769]

God gave man the sense of making choices and it was a woman that God had made that was deceived and carried onto Adam, all mankind shall die!!

[@chrisrendon461]

Then why did he get angry😂😂😂

[@NewCalculus]

If the bible events are true, then Christ's death had a special purpose - to see if a mortal being could be resurrected into an immortal body. God created humans as mortals so they could build character and make the right choices since none of their works could qualify them for a place in a future God-family currently composed of only two beings (Father and Son). So, why would all humanity owe allegiance to Christ (the angels and demons were created immortal meaning indestructible)? For the simple reason that he risked his immortal life by entering the physical world he created beforehand as the one known by the name Melchizedek. This makes sense if one thinks of Christ as the first fruits. So, Christ's death was planned and had to happen as it was planned. Humans are given an option whether they'd like to live the right way or not. And if a human chooses to live the right way, immortal life will be granted at some future time during one of the resurrections. I don't accept that the bible is divinely inspired, but that's my understanding and I have read the bible over 20 times and studied it extensively. Most cults or religious sects get a lot of things wrong. It's the same with the mainstream math community of idiots - they are incorrigibly stupid and ignorant.