"If I criticize Israel, am I an antisemite?" Four guardrails. EDUCATIONAL CONTENT

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Henry Abramson

Henry Abramson

Күн бұрын

WARNING: This video is intended for educational content. It discusses some disturbing issues and contains disturbing images.
What are the boundaries for vigorous yet respectful discussion of the complex situation in Israel and Gaza?
#bringthemhomenow

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@inocencianieves9909
@inocencianieves9909 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your voice of reason and for teaching us how to think critically 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙏💝
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
You are so welcome
@Jo_Em909
@Jo_Em909 3 ай бұрын
Your balanced voice, with the academic knowledge underneath it, is much needed and appreciated in the current atmosphere - thank you
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much
@Kurtlane
@Kurtlane 3 ай бұрын
Little correction. Israelis are not just Jews and Arabs. There are also Druze, Bedouins, Baha'i, Samaritans, Armenians, Greeks, Cherkessians, Chechens, Russians, and others. There are even some Vietnamese. All have Israeli citizenship with full rights.
@newyorkeranew
@newyorkeranew 3 ай бұрын
Meaningful point. Thanks.
@kingstonjames7485
@kingstonjames7485 Ай бұрын
Sad that the isreali government is an apartheid government that is committing genocide on the Palestinians.
@commenceun
@commenceun 14 күн бұрын
Israel so special because it tolerates diversity
@walterbenjamin1386
@walterbenjamin1386 Ай бұрын
Thank you, sir, for helping with these parameters.
@Anna-dg9kp
@Anna-dg9kp Ай бұрын
Thank you for this video! Your words are as careful and precise as the work of an accomplished surgeon. May they contribute to the healing of the world.
@mmccbb7mcb278
@mmccbb7mcb278 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your video Professor Abramson. Highly emotive subject, and certainly most folks I know have an opinion about the Gaza conflict. This is a subject that divides many. Thank you for your balanced and thoughtful approach, voicing one’s opinion publicly can be likened to tiptoeing through a minefield. A troubling time for many of us, but behind every storm is the promise of sunny days ahead.
@davidtyler3116
@davidtyler3116 3 ай бұрын
Dr. Abramson what a great framework to base our discussions on. Thank you for these ideas.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful
@hollyhill1206
@hollyhill1206 3 ай бұрын
As usual very clear and sane teaching. I especially learned from #4. What a very good observation. Thank you for your measured and respectful teaching. I pray those who need to understand - would watch this.
@ferdi5407
@ferdi5407 3 ай бұрын
There are not enough words to thank you for this balanced and thought provoking video! A prism does in fact have many sides, and the colours it projects are perceived differently by those who view them. The tragedy is that in the end, it is ordinary human beings who suffer the consequences while the 'bigger picture' is played out
@TM-100
@TM-100 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Dr. Abramson
@joycarter757
@joycarter757 3 ай бұрын
❤ thanks Dr Abramson, for your helpful teaching and words
@najman2741
@najman2741 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this sober minded and comprehensive video outlining some very important red flags to keep in our minds. It’s so very heartbreaking to have to have such reminders but thank you for doing it.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
You are so welcome
@lanerussell7958
@lanerussell7958 3 ай бұрын
Excellent summation; I think this sets the boundaries pretty clearly.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the feedback!
@MatthewMcknight
@MatthewMcknight 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Dr. Abramson! Incredibly thoughtful and helpful information that I wish we could share on every media site! There are many people affected by this conflict, in various and nuanced ways. But we can all be better at learning respect for each other and ensuring antisemitism does not occur.
@sharonconstan8234
@sharonconstan8234 3 ай бұрын
Your education is necessary and much appreciated Dr. Abramson
@Corwin256
@Corwin256 3 ай бұрын
I appreciate your word "visceral", so much here as a useful indicator or guide rail. It reminds me of your analysis of the "hep hep" riots, that perhaps the term "hep hep" was a sign of treating Jews as animals rather than humans. All of us are at risk of viewing our opponents as outright monsters rather than people, and I appreciate the metrics you offer to check ourselves.
@nathanmartinez8412
@nathanmartinez8412 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for all the work you do
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for listening
@user-je2xq2fn3w
@user-je2xq2fn3w 3 ай бұрын
Thank you my brother
@MaryamMaqdisi
@MaryamMaqdisi 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video, bless you
@Shevock
@Shevock 3 ай бұрын
Thanks. A historians mind is always essential when looking at current events.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Glad you found it useful
@michaelkalish2013
@michaelkalish2013 3 ай бұрын
Thank you
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
You're welcome
@pastorbruceincze
@pastorbruceincze 3 ай бұрын
Thank you. Wonderful tone and content.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
You are most welcome.
@PonderingDolphin
@PonderingDolphin 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for all you do always. I personally found this to be a helpful step in the right direction to healthy conversation and debate. All the best.
@michaelh8609
@michaelh8609 3 ай бұрын
Dr. Abramson, I've learned so much from your lectures both about history and about educating wisely. Thank you.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
You are very welcome
@american1476
@american1476 3 ай бұрын
as an American I am weary of borh Isreal and palestine both being such big issues in US it is so tiring when i see Americans by the scores homeless in my nation
@AaronMiller-rh7rj
@AaronMiller-rh7rj 3 ай бұрын
Oil, money, politics make the world go round. There are definitely serious problems in this country.
@christianfrommuslim
@christianfrommuslim 3 ай бұрын
The problem can't go away in USA becuase Israel constantly lobbies USA, Jews and Evangelicals here for funds. They worry us that if we don't support them we risk the curse of Genesis 12:3.
@josephtein3835
@josephtein3835 3 ай бұрын
I think the situation in the Middle East is tragic; it has been painfully going on for a long time and is an important issue for many Jews all over the world. That said, there are important, pressing issues closer to home for people in the U.S.
@princesskaitlinhazelwood4703
@princesskaitlinhazelwood4703 3 ай бұрын
Can’t they both be important issues at the same time? One doesn’t negate the other.
@american1476
@american1476 3 ай бұрын
@@princesskaitlinhazelwood4703 no America First im not ever saying to give foreign aid to my ancestors or overthrow the communists that rule them with Americans
@ericgamble9153
@ericgamble9153 3 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@jesse747400
@jesse747400 3 ай бұрын
Your videos are always so enlightening; It’s always a pleasure to listen to you. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and bringing truth and light to your viewers 🙏🏼
@sudhacarawraunaccaw4659
@sudhacarawraunaccaw4659 3 ай бұрын
A great sagely benchmarks of what constitutes anti-Semitism...Dr Henry Abramson is highly objective, rational and honest in his views, opinions and comments...❤❤💐🙏
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words
@laci272
@laci272 3 ай бұрын
amazing explanation, as always.
@kilius5907
@kilius5907 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for these thoughtful words on an urgent and essential topic
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
You are most welcome
@danielmolla7924
@danielmolla7924 3 ай бұрын
Excellent balanced remarks. Thank you sir.
@tshwenyegomakhaza9980
@tshwenyegomakhaza9980 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the thought-provoking video
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
You are welcome
@rosaravich5783
@rosaravich5783 3 ай бұрын
Great Job: clear and succinct. Rosa, VA, USA
@michelleshechter2578
@michelleshechter2578 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! Such an important video reflecting another Jewish perspective it’s refreshing during this time to still hear people who can empathize with human suffering as a whole!
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
There are many of us
@ilayohana3150
@ilayohana3150 3 ай бұрын
Thank you as always
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Always welcome
@fcsnetto
@fcsnetto 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for clarifying such an important issue! It is wise and fair to be less biased, thus engaging our criticism on something better than sensationalism!
@janjordal9451
@janjordal9451 3 ай бұрын
Thank you ❤
@markparagi8190
@markparagi8190 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video. The current tragedy has no easy answers, and there is plenty of blame to go around. It is unfortunate that the noncombatants on both sides are getting the worst of it.
@saifmadni12
@saifmadni12 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I couldn't agree more with you as someone who is generally on the pro-Palestinian side of the argument [but also enjoys your videos]. Way too often criticism of Israel becomes overtly anti-semitic and has become a "respectable" outlet for people to say the most anti-semitic things while disguising it as anti-zionism/pro-palestinian activism.
@Michaela1942
@Michaela1942 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Rabbi. Very helpful. I'm going to share this with Facebook friends.
@babababad
@babababad 3 ай бұрын
For the record, Dr. Abramson is not a rabbi, but a historian.
@Michaela1942
@Michaela1942 3 ай бұрын
@@babababad I understand that. I'm thinking of him as a teacher and when I was growing up my family used it for exceptional teachers.
@paulineh7600
@paulineh7600 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Dr. Abrahamson. Curious to the tape: 132 on your lapel? Unless I've missed a previous clip and any reference to it.
@AaronMiller-rh7rj
@AaronMiller-rh7rj 3 ай бұрын
Days... (if that is an inquiry)
@paulineh7600
@paulineh7600 3 ай бұрын
@@AaronMiller-rh7rj thanks. ❤️
@sunnysoto1084
@sunnysoto1084 3 ай бұрын
It's the number of hostages
@AaronMiller-rh7rj
@AaronMiller-rh7rj 3 ай бұрын
@@sunnysoto1084 i think it is day 132, and maybe 134 hostages.
@ptyler47
@ptyler47 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this presentation. It was cogent and gives me something to think about. Someday I would like to see a similar talk on the Palestinians.
@Viewer163
@Viewer163 3 ай бұрын
To criticize Israel is possible, but unfortunately nowdays every antisemit could cover his antisemetism under Israel criticism.
@MarcosElMalo2
@MarcosElMalo2 Ай бұрын
I’ve been seeing this a lot with the excuse that Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism. And the main anti-Zionist argument is that Israel is a European colony committing a genocide against indigenous people. This is the “Marxist-Academic argument that ironically is bereft of scholarship. If Marx was a serious scholar of history, he must be spinning in his grave. I don’t even know where to start because of the abundance of historical inaccuracies used to form this anti-Semitic argument.
@egee4322
@egee4322 3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
You are welcome!
@grantmarion5208
@grantmarion5208 3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for supporting the research!
@Irishman727
@Irishman727 3 ай бұрын
What are the borders of the land of Israel in your interpretation?
@koshersalaami
@koshersalaami 3 ай бұрын
Good list of guardrails. You might want to check the definition of Enervated.
@josephgerard5473
@josephgerard5473 3 ай бұрын
On this subject, I heartily recommend a track I discovered by accident (it appeared in my 'recommended' feed) by a British band called UNIT. The track is A Tribute To The Israeli Defence Force and it is excellent - tuneful and forceful without being bombastic combined with a lovely lyric. I know next to nothing about the group but on investigation I see they've recorded a whole batch of Jewish related tracks such as Pesach, Yom Kippur, Bar Mitzvah, Israel Is Real, The 613 Mitzvot and probably others I don’t know about yet. Some of them feature Rabbi Moshe Bryski which is definitely a recommendation in itself.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Ok
@babababad
@babababad 3 ай бұрын
That's an alt-right band whose songs are homophobic and Islamophobic. Oddly enough they also released a pro-Palestine album a few years earlier, so it's possible "Tribute to the IDF" is meant to be facetious and satirical.
@TigerLilyBlossom1
@TigerLilyBlossom1 3 ай бұрын
Great vid!
@JackEwingjr
@JackEwingjr 3 ай бұрын
I am not sure I entirely agree with Prof. Abramson in this video. I welcome his perspective regardless.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Thank you
@AaronMiller-rh7rj
@AaronMiller-rh7rj 3 ай бұрын
I guess I can ask: With what do you disagree?
@Geraldine74321
@Geraldine74321 3 ай бұрын
Thank-you for this. You have such an insightful and compassionate way of communicating. You are clear and calm and this calms my racing thoughts over this crisis.
@SaraLevins
@SaraLevins 3 ай бұрын
Antizionism= questioning the jews right to self determination as one people. Being antizionist equals antisemitism since it offers jews no other alternative and also because only jews are being questioned to having a homeland. Also, you should make a video explaining the term “antisemitism”. A lot of people are making claims that they can’t be antisemitic because they themselves are “semites”.
@emilianosintarias7337
@emilianosintarias7337 2 ай бұрын
the problem with your claim here sister is that it would follow that simply being internationalist/leftist/socialist is antisemitism. Further, there are people who oppose any ethnic or religious state, so would oppose zionism as well as many other countries - part of the issue here is that nationstates are not the only form of polity
@MarcosElMalo2
@MarcosElMalo2 Ай бұрын
@@emilianosintarias7337 If one is an anti -statist and not merely an anti-Zionist, one would make anti-statist arguments, not anti-Zionist ones built on historical falsities. For example, the a-Z argument that Israel is a European colony is based on many historical inaccuracies. Insofar as I hear this argument coming from college students and other academics, it’s the application of a historical analysis tool (Marxism) without having studied the actual history. Ignorance is no excuse for anti-semitism, but willful ignorance is doubly so. Making fallacious comparisons to actual instances of colonialism is disgusting, disgraceful, and disrespectful to victims of colonialism.
@rickwrites2612
@rickwrites2612 18 күн бұрын
​​@@emilianosintarias7337true, but wouldn't you just call yourself anti-statist, anarchist, marxist-communist etc.? Like if Israel is just one of many examples of a ethno-majority state to you, you wouldn't specifically identify as anti-zionist anymore than anti-Spain.
@emilianosintarias7337
@emilianosintarias7337 18 күн бұрын
@@rickwrites2612 yes, that's correct and I agree. 100 years ago there was a large jewish movement that opposed zionism, because they thought nationalism was not the way to go. they weren't self hating, obviously. today, there is a wider swatch of anti-zionism, and much of it is either hypocritical, confused, or antisemitic.
@BobWidlefish
@BobWidlefish Ай бұрын
I agree with all of your guardrails - excellent work! Though I was a bit disappointed you didn’t address guardrail abuse. I’m sure you’ve seen cynical people who appeal to very good guardrail principles in a nefarious way to deflect legitimate criticism. Your calm balanced voice would do a lot of good to provide this kind of additional nuance to maximize the epistemic quality of all conversations on these sometimes difficult issues.
@aprilmcelia1969
@aprilmcelia1969 3 ай бұрын
Genuine question. On guardrail #1: Inability to empathize with Israeli suffering. I can see that in action everyday with people on both ends. Some people who are really conditioned to not see Palestinians or people of Arab descent as real people with the capacity of suffering. The way I see is that when one bleeds, we all bleed. It's probably a horrifying time to be Israeli and I'd be mortified by my governments actions and be wondering if it was safe to stay where I live or if I needed to consider leaving. But here is where I am hung up. My understanding is to be semitic or to be a semite has to do with your mother/ancestral tongue and is related to a linguistic family. This set of languages includes Hebrew and Arabic. If definitions mean anything, that would mean Arabic descendants are semites as much as Hebrews. This definition is more consistent historically and goes against every way antisemitism is defined in major news publications recently, and it gives me hope of bridges being built instead of burnt in the future. I really believe Hebrews and Arabic persons have much more in common and are waged against each other to serve the interest of the elites. Am I being delusional or naive? I'd really like your perspective. Is Arabic semitic?
@geertdecoster5301
@geertdecoster5301 2 ай бұрын
What do you think of the thoughts of Moshe Feiglin upon the matter? Like to know 🙂
@klf33
@klf33 3 ай бұрын
Your friendly local Palestinian Supporter here 🇵🇸, EXCELLENT lecture, I am in violent agreement on 1-3 (I am in Toronto, and that Mount Sinai incident angers me as well as many others and I mean anger not 'worry'), I have a lightly different view on number '4' but that is OK, Thank you, and last time you replied to my comment you mentioned how many like myself are in the public space, well, there are a few and I am inspired to start a podcast (Can I send you an interview request? ) the world need to be built around humanity and understanding, Hamas and Likud can't do it, but I think people like yourself and others can 🙏
@w.i.t.c.h.aholic9315
@w.i.t.c.h.aholic9315 3 ай бұрын
If only more people would think like you.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Glad you found the video useful.
@MarcosElMalo2
@MarcosElMalo2 Ай бұрын
I think I understand your problems with “selective outrage” being considered anti-Semitic. At what point is it merely the tactic of “whataboutism”? I think we can be both on guard against dismissive “whataboutism” while also watching out for selective outrage. I think we also have resistance to charges of selective outrage because there might be some truth to them (although not necessarily anti-semitism). We might be all too eager to direct outrage on other people because we are avoiding unresolved injustice closer to home.
@yalemteshome847
@yalemteshome847 3 ай бұрын
Thank you professor. As always your analysis is very thoughtful and balanced. .of course, very helpful too!
@alfredopampanga9356
@alfredopampanga9356 3 ай бұрын
Great video. Enervated means something other than you think
@jandunn169
@jandunn169 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your calm discussion at this very painful time. As a Jew I find the suffering of both Palestinians and Jews very difficult to experience and it is hard to listen to people who have no compassion for one side of the issue and who call Biden Genocide Joe when he is really trying to bring peace. Neither side is going anywhere. My grandfather's family disappeared in Babi Yar and I understand why Jews needed a place to live. But I also am horrified by what is happening in Gaza and we need to find a way to honor both peoples.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment
@verzinghettorix6360
@verzinghettorix6360 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video I’m not fan of Israel but I’ve always been a fan of your videos on Jewish history glad to see you always keep a level head. All nation states deserve criticism
@justjules2029
@justjules2029 2 ай бұрын
I very much appreciate the informative video. This is good information to use as a tool to identify racism and sexism as well. My response to #4 is that people generally respond to what is the hot topic or being covered heavily in the media. A few weeks ago it was Ukraine/Russia. Currently it’s the Middle Eastern crisis. As an American it should be a right as a citizen to have an opinion on my own government, how it’s spending American taxpayers money and it’s domestic or foreign policy. I don’t see that as selective outrage. I’ve personally encountered threats to myself and my family because I disagree with forever wars and in my opinion what I view as neglecting American citizens in favor of foreign citizens and foreign governments. I’ve noticed that antisemitism, anti Zionism and Islamic-phobia is addressed in the media. However the rampant anti-American rhetoric and blatant xenophobia towards Americans is normalized. It’s scary. I don’t feel safe in my own country. There are so many threats against Americans in terms of picking a side, religious revenge comments, and just inflammatory and offensive statements against Americans that aren’t addressed by my government while foreign governments and foreign nationals are prioritized. Eg. 9/11 has been used as a propaganda tool and internal American conflicts have been weaponized to garner support for external interventions. Basically dragging Americans into external conflicts while expecting Americans to ignore domestic issues. It’s frankly saddening. And, I feel for all innocent people involved that are affected and suffering and have been lost in the political chaos. All I can do is 🙏🏻 pray for a peaceful resolution.
@seena889
@seena889 Ай бұрын
Well now here’s what I think based on when you said why these supporters seem mostly focused with Israel! Firstly, compared to a lot of other conflicts, this one is one that goes back to beginning of 20th century. Secondly, it’s not necessarily just because it’s Jews, but besides them it’s also . about western support all these years and how biased western media tends to usually be about this! Technically because of this I do feel Americans should definitely speak up given that they’re the largest supporter!
@KafrDhimmi
@KafrDhimmi 3 ай бұрын
Rabbi I really enjoy your work. I do though have one criticism. I believe that we should strip the veneer of respectability off of false ideas. Therefore I would like you to consider 2 things. One Jew hatred is a more appropriate word for the hatred of Jews it takes away the late 19th century respectability that antisemitism brought to our demonization. 2 the word Palestinian, I prefer to hear Arab because like the first point it is just a more truthful descriptor. Thank you for your fine work.
@englishfrog
@englishfrog 3 ай бұрын
Your fourth point is worth repeating....I frequently bring up the situation in Yemen, where a civil war over the past ten years has resulted in 400K deaths with 70% of the deaths being children under five years of age. If it's okay for the Houthis to be supporting Hamas, then it must be okay for them to engage in a civil war that has killed over 250 young kids under five.....nobody cares about the lives of innocent Yemeni children because there are no Jews involved in that conflict.... Blessings as always sir.
@neilgoodman2885
@neilgoodman2885 3 ай бұрын
Thank you (42). Respectfully, NHG
@samuelgonzalez4887
@samuelgonzalez4887 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Dr. Henry Abramson for being here today. It is a real pleasure and a true honor to follow your channel. All blessings upon you.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words
@sprachenwelt
@sprachenwelt 3 ай бұрын
A good video. I will send it to an Israeli friend of mine in Germany to send it further to these who make him a representative of attacs in Gazan civilians. By the way, what does this sticker with 132 on you Jacket mean?
@SuperMCFIVE
@SuperMCFIVE 3 ай бұрын
Think that represents that it was day 132 of the hostages in Hamas captivity
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Correct
@normanzimmerman5029
@normanzimmerman5029 3 ай бұрын
Brilliant. Thank you.
@DarkFire515
@DarkFire515 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for once again bringing nuance and reason to what can all too often be a brutal and angry debate. Calm and reasoned discussion are what's needed most at the moment.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Thank you as well.
@KarimBayanzay
@KarimBayanzay 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, I have been learning a lot from you. Wanted to get your thoughts on whether you think many of the guardrails you set for anti-semitism would be similar for anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian sentiment? Can these be more universal guardrails that aren't necessarily unique to just anti-semitism, but racism in general. Also I would like your thoughts on the question of whether you feel anti-zionism is anti-semitic. Thanks.
@Nancy_S68
@Nancy_S68 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. Some people are unaware when they do some of these things.
@mikecain6947
@mikecain6947 3 ай бұрын
Your accent sounds Canadian?
@josephtein3835
@josephtein3835 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, he's Canadian! He mentions this in a lot of his videos when he talks about his background growing up.
@ivtch51
@ivtch51 3 ай бұрын
Well said and balanced, thanks Henry. I have a dear Jewish friend here in Australia who is in an agonizing quandary. He cares greatly about the land of his birth and the Palestinians too though he wanders if the Palestinians can ever be trusted again. Though I am more Pro-Palestinian we both agree what has happened is a catastrophic mess with major grief and trauma on both sides. Both at the moment cannot see past it. Though it is painful for him, he is willing to discuss and argue about it and disagree. My deepest sympathies for all those who are suffering in pain. I think it is too raw for either side to forgive at the moment. I just hope both sides can at least compromise and start the road towards peace. This will require much strength and tenacity because extremists and opportunists on both sides will try and destroy it again and again.
@AaronMiller-rh7rj
@AaronMiller-rh7rj 3 ай бұрын
Sounds decent and civilized. Too many countries and people want to destroy Israel.
@KenCunkle
@KenCunkle 3 ай бұрын
Good points all. Thanks much yet again, professor. I know it's gotta be pretty hard for many American/Canadian/European Jews to try to have discussions about the goings-on in Gaza these days., regardless of their take on the situation. The discussions on all sides have got terribly overheated. I would like to say something in regards to your fourh guardrail, though. As an American, I tend to be a bit more vocal about what's going on in Gaza, and Israel's part in that, for a couple of reasons: One is that, as terrible as events elsewhere may be, our outrage against whatever Assad or Xi Jin Peng might be doing is going to be not very effective, because those regimes don't have any values to which we can appeal. (I think of the famous comeback by Josef Stalin when somebody told him that the Pope disapproved of his actions. "The Pope?" he said. "So how many troops does he have?") Israel really is a country that believes in humam values and decency, or at least I hope it does. As such, Israel is at least susceptible to appeals to the better angels of its nature. The other thing here is that--and I'm speaking as a US citizen--Israel is in many ways a client state of the US . The US provides both aignificant amounts of moneitary/military aid, and also diplomati ccover for Israel at the UN and elsewhere,. What this means is that we not only have more influence (indirect though it may be) about Israel's behavior, but we Americans are responsible to some extent for its actions. So for us to pay far more attention to what's going on in Israel than elsewhere can't by itself be taken as evidence of anti-Semitism. The problem is that there are plenty of anti-Semites who are delighted to criticize Israel or Jews irrespective of anything else, and this kind of argument can indeed provide them cover. It's hard.
@pirbird14
@pirbird14 3 ай бұрын
It should be noted that the Orthodox Jewish Palestinians Opposed the formation of the State of Israel on religious grounds. They felt - and still feel - that it is blasphemous to establish a Jewish state before the Messiah comes. They aren't anti-Semitic.
@AaronMiller-rh7rj
@AaronMiller-rh7rj 3 ай бұрын
Israel was created and exists.
@deanavrahami5918
@deanavrahami5918 3 ай бұрын
Who said Jews can’t be anti semites? Ever heard of Nicholas donin?
@pirbird14
@pirbird14 3 ай бұрын
@@AaronMiller-rh7rj That's not the point at issue, here. The issue is: Orthodox Jews think Zionists are heretics. And that is no anti-Semitism.
@w.i.t.c.h.aholic9315
@w.i.t.c.h.aholic9315 3 ай бұрын
They have valid religious reasons, so it's absurd that non-Jews always use them as an excuse.
@jamesonstalanthasyu
@jamesonstalanthasyu 2 ай бұрын
I hope the Israeli leadership and press also refrain from using similar images of guns on babies as well.
@brettmatthews8061
@brettmatthews8061 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this, Dr. Abramson. The first three points you make seem eminently agreeable, but I would like to ask you about the fourth. Some nations today have populations who have made their living in cities for centuries, all that time having large literate minorities and being fully plugged into the main currents of scientific thought and technological development. They may also have long traditions of democratic consultation between people and leaders. Israel and Iran both fall into this category. Many nations today are still mostly inhabited by subsistence farmers and nomadic pastoralists, and two centuries ago had no polities of more than a hundred thousand people, no written traditions and only the barest vestiges of urban life. Both types of nations must now operate government bureaucracies ruling many millions of people. Is it not reasonable, Dr. Abramson, to hold the first type of nation to a higher standard of respect for international law and respect for universal human rights, than the second type? Is it not reasonable to expect nations with high institutional and human capabilities to set a positive example for nations with lower ones?
@user-bd5gg4zg8p
@user-bd5gg4zg8p 3 ай бұрын
Yes you are!!!
@chizkiyahukabas7078
@chizkiyahukabas7078 3 ай бұрын
To criticize Israel DOES NOT equate anti-Semitism and that can become a weaponized issue
@american1476
@american1476 3 ай бұрын
mount sanai provides the best medical care ngl
@An_Economist_Plays
@An_Economist_Plays 3 ай бұрын
The most important thing a history teacher can do is to teach us to have a sane dialogue and how to shed the prejudices that obscure the truth, prejudices that act as obstacles on the path of peace. In order to come together, we must leave the extremes and humble ourselves that we may be teachable. Thank you for doing your job, Dr. Abramson! 🙂
@christianfrommuslim
@christianfrommuslim 3 ай бұрын
Right. And we need to openly look at the reasons for prejudices. That was not done after WWII, so we see such hatred emerging again. In those days Jewish people and done things that were considered annoying unkind, or unacceptable. That is what triggered a response against them - not simply that they were different. If we had looked at those objectively, and taught that it does not matter how much you dislike what someone did, it does not justify genocide, we might not see such hatred emerging again. This is why Schindler's List left people scratching their heads and ultimately did little to stop the progress of antisemitism.
@An_Economist_Plays
@An_Economist_Plays 3 ай бұрын
@@christianfrommuslim there actually were re-education efforts in Allied-occupied Germany, but those were abandoned because the views against Jews were so strongly held. Holocaust denial began in Germany in 1945. As for the conflicts today, I know they have a deep history, but we also have to look at the young people growing up there today. They do not have a history and they all deserve elders who want to truly find peace not as an end after violence, but as a replacement for violence.
@danieljulian4676
@danieljulian4676 3 ай бұрын
One must carefully examine any assumption that a majority in the region outside Israel wants to live in peace with Israel. I don't know the answer to that one; I cannot find the locus of a peaceful coexistence community in the muslim world, but I'd be happy if it could be plausibly promoted. Another factor you might want to consider is the difference between religious and secular people who adopt a "Jewish identity". Completely secular individuals are certainly also subject to anti-semitic attacks. Just as a side note, make sure you know the semantics of the word "enervated" (unless it was just a slip in live delivery of a lecture).
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
I’ll look it up
@danieltosini8189
@danieltosini8189 3 ай бұрын
Wise and rational arguments. Unfortunately here in Brazil antisemitism has been encouraged by some politicians regarding boicot of jewish's business and our people.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that.
@samuelgonzalez4887
@samuelgonzalez4887 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Henry Abramson for being here today. It is a real pleasure and a true honor to follow your channel. All blessings upon you.
@mollyfriedman2013
@mollyfriedman2013 3 ай бұрын
I agree with the points in your video but it should also be clarified that disagreeing with specific Israeli policies is not the same as anti-Zionism. Zionism is simply the belief in right for Jews to have self determination and a state in some part of the Jewish historic homeland ( not just historic as there have been Jews living there continuously under others rule). I truly believe that anti-Zionism is anti-semitism. It is like saying that you support Jews but don’t support Jews having rights or any control over their own fate. It should also be clarified that Zionism has nothing to do with Palestinian Arabs and is NOT in contradiction with them also having self determination.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment
@brycecombs2868
@brycecombs2868 3 ай бұрын
Is a deal with Jordan that involves relocating Gazans to the West Bank and transferring a considerable portion over to Jordan, in exchange for an absolute promise that they will deal with Palestinian issues forevermore, completely impossible or fruitless?🤔
@garyhodder8656
@garyhodder8656 3 ай бұрын
I can consider any criticism of Israel which fully recognizes Israeli sovereignty. The concept of “secure borders” means much more than a simple geographical demarcation and extends to all aspects of self-determination. The holiness of the Jewish people is vitally connected to their special kind of separateness. The Roman historian Tacitus was very impressed with this quality of Jewish experience. Accepting sovereignty without qualification is the bright line test.
@sebastiankocaman7051
@sebastiankocaman7051 3 ай бұрын
Dear Henry, can you make a lecture about israeli hate speech, zionist calls for genocide of the gaza population, and the daily crimes against of humanity conducted by the israeli army in the occupied territories, and the openly commited war crimes by such in Gaza? That would be welcomed very much! Also please cover the crimes by the settlers. Your opinion matters, and you can show your academic objectivity on that matter. Thank you very much.
@lottyblok383
@lottyblok383 3 ай бұрын
As i am criticize (someone, something), it is important to be aware about how it is with me own inner. Is it, with chessed, is it, i am hurt (or old pain)? If i have this clear, (maybe, need help or can create it on me own self als good), this isn't the same as speak outer as right if it is unbalance. If a human know about who they are, what get stock, what can grow more beautiful, this a good way for a stap to outer an with chessed. If the other want (or as robot) play the boss, an don't show as compassion for live (human, animale, nature), this is signal that say a lot but nothing about me. I have notice as human in idf, gouverment israel, president Isreael an what i have notice is that in this human is chessed (how many, is an other theme). This, also if there is survive, war give room for contact an more as equal...human/live. Sure, we need the right time, room for communication an choice a theme of attention, current an what can be done, in later time. We can find oure connection with patient because oure chessed, because it is important. Who is with narcismm, autismm, etc or temporary without room for this (patient) chessed, it is posseble to say this. How to react in relation can have a sad, or cruel, or dominance/controlled energy an this Isn't what i can approve. You understand, that if the other with make a mistake or with wear a blind spot can be also with goodness, an it is more easy to love this human......or, love to create a bridgebuilder in me. Anitsemitisme can be as compensation.
@pirbird14
@pirbird14 3 ай бұрын
There was no protest at the Mount Sinai hospital. There was a march that started at the Israeli Consulate and proceeded to the American Consulate. They did not stop at the hospital. There was no protest at the hospital. They passed by because it happens to be along the route.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
They climbed up on the scaffolding, shouted in megaphones, and disturbed patients, visitors and workers. Similar thing happened at Cornell Presbyterian in NY because there were Jewish names on donor plaques.
@pirbird14
@pirbird14 3 ай бұрын
@@HenryAbramsonPhD "They"? This was not an official act of the protest itself. You of all people know better than to blame an entire group for the actions of a minority.
@AaronMiller-rh7rj
@AaronMiller-rh7rj 3 ай бұрын
​@@pirbird14Your 1st comment is obviously completely false. Your 2nd comment is a nonsensical response. 👂
@pirbird14
@pirbird14 3 ай бұрын
@@AaronMiller-rh7rj You have evidence that the march actually stopped at the hospital and shouted anti-Semitic slogans? No one else has shown any. In the second sentence, I am reminding Dr. Abramson not to commit the logical fallacy known as the fallacy of composition. Look it up.
@zev3143
@zev3143 3 ай бұрын
In New York, the protestors stood in front of Memorial Sloan Kettering Hospital and someone with a megaphone was was shouting, "You are complicit in genocide." The reason being that someone who had donated money to Israel also was a major donor to the hospital. They marched to Mount Sinai and repeated the same thing.
@elodieleaf
@elodieleaf 3 ай бұрын
Thankyou for this video! I have lost friends in the Jewish Community as they don't accept any criticism. I am Jewish myself. And yes I am critical of the Israeli government.
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
I hope you found it helpful
@elodieleaf
@elodieleaf 3 ай бұрын
@@HenryAbramsonPhD I did.
@fernandowachs935
@fernandowachs935 3 ай бұрын
Yes
@HenryAbramsonPhD
@HenryAbramsonPhD 3 ай бұрын
Hope you watched the video
@chatify68
@chatify68 3 ай бұрын
Numbers 24:9b “Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed, And whoever curses Israel will be cursed.” #StandWithIsrael #NeverAgainIsNow #BringThemHomeNow
@user-df4nt2nn4x
@user-df4nt2nn4x 3 ай бұрын
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@howardhdavidson
@howardhdavidson 3 ай бұрын
Yes you are..
@toomuchinformation9795
@toomuchinformation9795 3 ай бұрын
fair
@danielheckel2755
@danielheckel2755 3 ай бұрын
Fifth guardrail: Denies violent events regarding the Jewish people. I.e. denying Ottoman or Muslim massacres pre-1948. Sixth guardrail: Relates anything involving a minority participation of individual Jews as Israel's bidding. I.e. Colombia's President blaming his own civil war on a single Israeli mercenary trainer. (By his account, many conflicts around the World are Colombia's bidding). Seventh: Denies the connection of Israel with the Jewish people. Eight: Fails to acknowledge the law of Return as affirmative action correcting a worldwide failure to protect Jews (see Evian conference). Ninth: Does adjudication of complex matters in Judaism without subject competency or using token opinion. (I.e. citing Neturei Karta or blatant misrepresentations pf Torah content). Tenth: Uses Jewish tokens of any kind. Eleventh: Deliberately misrepresents teachings of Judaism (G-d's chosen people). Twelfth: Uses conditionals for their outrage against Israel that are merely a cover for hate. ("I'm not against Israel, just Netanyahu", bit dont have a specific policy of Netanyahu they are against). 13th: Exagerates internal criticism of Israel.
@thewkovacs316
@thewkovacs316 3 ай бұрын
it's adar venahaphachu
@Synchrodipity
@Synchrodipity 3 ай бұрын
If it doesn't cause you trouble, can you do a video on Neturei karta, and whether their beliefs are really in line with The Torah, or do they have their own interpretation of it? I'm not Jewish, and often see this group featured on anti-Israeli social media posts, and I would like to get some clarity on whether they hold an authentic position or not - my research suggests they do not, but I want to be as clear as I can be. Thank you. :)
@Default654
@Default654 3 ай бұрын
I just saw kid who couldn’t be saved from under the rubbles of his house because there was no heavy machinery. People tried to pull him out by hand but couldn’t. I can criticize all the way out Israel for doing it. Call it anti Zionism, call it antisemitism- I don’t care no more. That dying kid under rubles buried Israel .
@AaronMiller-rh7rj
@AaronMiller-rh7rj 3 ай бұрын
I don't think Israel is going to surrender to Hamas terrorism and the destruction of Israel.
@norman_5623
@norman_5623 3 ай бұрын
That's what did it for me. I used to raise money for Israeli medical research and technology development. Then I started reading all these stories about the IDF killing children, even 2 or 3 years old. I checked out the facts, asked Israeli advocates and government officials about it, read the reports by human rights organizations, read the English-language Jewish newspapers, and it was true. They weren't isolated incidents. For example, there were the "white flag" incidents in the Goldstone reports, when for example an IDF soldier machine-gunned down a family of a 2-year-old, a 5-year-old, and a 12-year-old, in the Rabbo family. I would have thought that, when the American Jewish community learned about these deaths, they would do everything in their power to make the IDF stop killing children -- but they didn't. How can I support Israel, when they are killing Palestinian children, just as the Cossaks were killing Jewish families in my mother's village near Odessa?
@GideonArmy333
@GideonArmy333 3 ай бұрын
🙏 Dr Abrahamson for you logical explanation. Am assuming u know Tanakh well enuf to know layers upon layer of meaning? RUTH (Typology of Bible Christians/ Goyim) said to her mother in law Naomi (Typology of Israel) your Elohim is also mine & where u die, there I also. This is supernatural Love for Israel. As for hate, many forms of וְהָמָ֔ן as history always repeats itself Ecc 1:9
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