If i lose with 4 stones should i retire? AI KataGo vs GoproYeonwoo

[@darekk7459]

For sure, North Korea's propaganda says that the strongest baduk players live in North Korea, and most importantly, only Kim Jong-un can defeat KataGo giving 9 handicap stones and playing blind-go.

[@vasundarakrishnan4093]

🤣🤣🤣

[@lazyhusky502]

How I read: Tak... tak... tak.... tak, done How pros read: 8:59

[@jakevikoren]

"I hate you, you play like Corona Virus" -Gopro Yeonwoo HAHAH ^^

[@kj01a]

I find high handicap pro games to be very educational for how to use strength in attacking! Thank you, Yeonwoo!!

[@sixstringrevolver6742]

I had no idea Yeonwoo could sing so well! Hopefully we can all inspire you to post a video singing and playing that guitar (if you haven't already).

[@JohnLewis-old]

My first time watching you actually play a game. It's very interesting to watch your facial expression, it becomes so calm when you are reading. Very different from when you are just speaking or reviewing a game. Thanks for letting us watch. BTW, I'm in Costa Rica. ;-)

[@PasseScience]

What I like in this game it's how it's model of solidity and simplification without playing submissive. It's the right balance to win and more importantly: win convincingly. :)

[@dulcecasitas3056]

You have spent very little time in the United States, hence it is quite remarkable your command of American English is so advanced and natural sounding, both gramatically and by accent. How do you account for this mystery? You may have an inate genius for languages, in which case additional career options are open to you. As always, many thanks for your engaging and instructive videos!

[@Taipou]

Thanks for another great video! 🙏 Note that there are many different so-called 'networks' for KataGo (and LeelaZero as well), which affect how well the bot can judge the value of moves. Also, a setting like 'number of playouts' or 'maximum thinking time' affects the bot's strength. Change these settings and it might be that you'll already need an additional handicap stone 😉

[@Maharani1991]

+

[@tragicallysarah7623]

Ahh, why are you so cute in this video? I love the way you pronounce the Patreon names at the end. Adorable! It's really cool to hear your stories while you play. It's very relaxing and also insightful. I usually work while I watch/listen to your videos as it seems to help me focus better. I'm still terrible at Go, so I may need to watch some of them again. Yeonwoo, gamsahabnida! (Is that right? haha)

[@gregoirethomazeau7955]

Congratulations for your victory and thanks for this video content. I'm looking forward to seeing you play with 3 stones handicap against Katago :)

[@PasseScience]

3 month already, time to see the next katago challenge (new nets are available!)

[@rbpompeu1]

More, more games like that! More commentaries as well!!!!

[@TommentSection]

This was fun to watch! Thank you for posting. I shared it with my Go club :)

[@mitchumsport]

it is also amazing to me that any professional is giving any stones to a computer. I had thought maybe in 20-30 years. What a strange and wonderful time. thank you for showing us this game :)

[@phononify]

So nice videos -- such a sympathy and friendly way of thinking ... Yeonwoo, are you giving occasionally also lessons to pure beginners? Cheers from Zuerich

[@DimaKats2]

"You are playing like coronavirus", Yeonwoo 2020 😆😆😆

[@lionguysai]

This was a lovely video. Your commentary was relaxing and seeing how a pro plays a handicap game (although less novel with the advent of AI) was still cool! Also, about your grandfather, it was a nice sentiment. Also, random question: do you speak any languages besides Korean and English?

[@goproyeonwoo]

I speak little bit of Chinese only ;)

[@lionguysai]

Go Pro Yeonwoo ahh! I thought you said “souka” in the video ^^

[@zhangxiangmiao6962]

Go Pro Yeonwoo 你好，很喜欢你的频道，我是你的中国粉丝！

[@uw10isplaya]

Thank you for sharing that story of your grandfather. The emotions reminds me of Taegukgi; I love that movie. Nice to learn more about you beyond go. With the Covid19 scare out of the way, I wish you the best with the tumor removal. ❤️

[@tenj00]

The Ai-programs are playing Go on Mount Everest and are looking down on us. From the top we all look like insects.

[@cgibbard]

I think the answer to the question in the title is definitely not! It's more important than ever that professional go players do all the things that AIs still can't really do. It's not just about having strong moves and lots of knowledge about the game (though that's certainly helpful), but also about being able to relate the emotions behind the moves and inspire other humans to enjoy the game. From that perspective, KZbin channels like this one, as well as live streams and so on are quite important, because they give more opportunity to explain what's going on in your head while you play than a traditional tournament setting. That can help new players connect to the game, and inspire existing players to keep learning. Watching top human professionals do battle in silent concentration can be interesting and inspiring too, for those who already know the game, but it seems harder to reach new people and keep the game alive that way. An AI will show you all kinds of sequences, and tell you how good it thinks they are as a number, but it can't express how it feels. As for foreign impressions about South Korea, personally, it looks like a very nice and modern place to live. I've not had the chance to visit, but the pictures I've seen of Seoul always make it look like everything is fresh and well-maintained. (A lot of it actually is quite new, from what I understand.) The thought that Kim Jong Un could become suicidally unhinged and launch a nuclear weapon over the border is a little worrying, but I don't think it would trouble me enough to make me think twice about living there. He seems more concerned with keeping up appearances than actually taking actions that would result in a counterattack from the entire world. It's really sad for the ordinary people of North Korea though, that they don't have a system of government that is able to keep their best interests in mind. I hope we do eventually see a reunification, or if not that, at least that North Korea finds a path toward a more open government that serves its people, rather than the other way around.

[@OmnipotentEntity]

The -eau vowel combination is pronounced like an o as in go. It's French. Excellent game btw.

[@hippophile]

Congrats. Looks like around 20 points ahead at the end. You DEFINITELY have a chance on three stones if you play calm and accurate!

[@carljohanr]

I suggest not to include spoilers in comments...

[@Achira]

awesome game, it was also nice to hear a bit about korea

[@Kelieon]

Come to Seattle and the surrounding area (maybe not right now with the coronavirus)! We have a Go Center and it is very beautiful! But it is a little colder than California, haha. I live a little ways North of Seattle.

[@altus3278]

The best thing about your country that I remember are public 10Gbps networks. I have only stopped once at the Seoul airport (Incheon Airport), but this was more than enough to leave a lasting impression on me. I also remember eating there what I probably consider to be the spiciest soup in my entire life

[@helxis]

There is a great movie called As One about the first and only time North and South Korea united as one country to compete in an international table tennis tournament.

[@jakevikoren]

Congrats on winning! I live in California, if you ever come here I would be happy to host you :D

[@JB-gy7ip]

Bravo you won ! You also sing very nicely while playing. I also agree with you that North Korea will not be a thread for you in the future but in the contrary an even more and more important and useful partner.

[@mitchgunzler3737]

It’s hard to be afraid for 60 years. It’s easier to slowly slip into numbness, especially as a group, finding more immediate things to think about. So some os us who think about Korea, and had Korean roommates, and grew up with Korean friends, think South Koreans feel safe because it would be crazy to be terrified for so long. North Korea could really hurt Seoul with conventional weapons, and threatens to (usually implicitly but occasionally implicitly) as its primary diplomatic tool. I have always felt vulnerable for my friends, even if there isn’t usually any point for them to feel the threat-being scared won’t make it go away either.

[@choibk0721]

With the casual hat n natural being, you look much natural n better tho. Thanx Yeonwoo. ;-)

[@PasseScience]

You should ask someone to set up a good config for a new H4 game against the last version: it seems to be clearly stronger than before (the engine and the networks).

[@paulbloemen7256]

Maybe a new try after 1 year? Just to see how much KataGo improved?

[@junemars3304]

I just about died laughing... did you say @ 4:15 "you are playing like CoronaVirus..." ?

[@SkeepyJeepyJohnson]

I was literally eating a piece of pizza as you said it. I am happy to follow at least that stereotype of my nation.

[@taxicabnumber1729]

Many years ago, someone at my go club claimed: God might be able to give a pro 3 stones and win, but only the devil could win against a 4 stone handicap (because the devil might play a trick move).

[@krisztiankoblos1948]

The best network for KataGo is now at 13000 ELO.

[@GregKulevich]

I can't wait for you to try Chicago style deep dish pizza.

[@goproyeonwoo]

Basically I love all sort of pizzas :D

[@sethsun]

more games and analysis with AI please!

[@parsimonhi]

Never say "if i lose ... i retire"

[@spanishmackerel]

Congratuations. And yes, California is a very nice place to live. Greets from Santa Barbara.

[@gangcai2876]

I have lived in USA for 30 years, but your English is much better than me.

[@jiyobo]

Yeonwoo, I have a question. Is it a good idea for beginners to learn by replaying pro games. Without commentary, just the moves, in order to just get the feeling of what shapes the pro players make? And after replaying many pro games, without commentary, the beginner can learn those shapes? Thanks.

[@82ABN]

reunification would be nice, but then my country wont be able to fear monger

[@undertyped1]

Katago might be stronger now, can you still win with 4 stones in 2022?

[@mitchgunzler3737]

Congratulations!

[@markhoho8914]

What is this Client / Program u played on ?

[@camillelegorille]

Cami Levek ; very good :P

[@bclarky12]

Thanks so much for showing your great game and talent! For handicap, s191 is stronger than s243. s243 is stronger for even game. What settings/hardware do u use for katago?

[@goproyeonwoo]

I'm not sure how to check that..?

[@derpepe0]

Hardware, version and settings are really important for the strength of an AI. If you are not sure how to set it up, there might be easier options like playing against one of the bots on a Go server, though I am not sure which one has the strongest settings. Hopefully someone else can give you more tips. By the way, awesome video!

[@rivenmain2175]

Go Pro Yeonwoo at 4:22 you said 'first time i learn about this move', does that mean that katago can be like a teacher for pro players? and not only annoying to play against? about your korea question i think south korea is safe and i also think that if south korea remain free market and not socialist like north korea then maybe like east and west germany korea will unite if north korea become free market like south korea their life will be better

[@sebastianbal1008]

since pros can play and study with AI every pro in general became stronger

[@IsaacZepeda]

what's the app you are using to play go?

[@sergeigrimanov5971]

As I've heard N.Korean pros play in the Chinese pro league. Can you tell your katago settings? Is it the CUDA version or Open CL? What version of katago and what is your GPU?

[@decidrophob]

9:33 Isn't the block too loose? Was it impossible to seal the white left side and kill them all?

[@nicokent9648]

Why are there no comments anymore? :(

[@likibartv2610]

Keep growing

[@Yourmomma568]

Why do you think it played at 2-10, instead of 3-1?

[@aoznes]

one of the main strengths of AI is that they dont think about hamburgers when they are winning 😂

[@Burps___]

168 👍🏻from fans of your channel...1 👎🏻from Leela Zero. 😆

[@thaitophuoc7813]

What software are you using?

[@jimmykoh2602]

Sabaki v0.43.3 with KataGo v1.3.3

[@jimmykoh2602]

Wow, I m rooting for U n I am so afraid tat U might lose..

[@juanjesusligero391]

Some AI must have watched the video. It didn't like it.

[@HendrixVas]

Nice... Can you beat human players in the app Rookstar? ;)

[@likibartv2610]

. Nice one

[@JamieAlban]

tak takatak tak tak ta tak ... you're cute haha

[@gladietorofspace]

you play just safe ? ... any move you do...well i never sow you attack Katago

[@DogPigGo]

와 그래도 4점에는 이기시네 ㄷㄷ 타이젬카타고한테 4점에 2판정도 이겨봣는데 2판이길려고 50판넘게진듯 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 맨날 집부족으로져요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@antifasuperstar]

I'm too dumb to install Katago :( it's so complicated. How did you do it??

[@bclarky12]

if u have windows google baduk megapack and install that

[@gangcai2876]

I installed leela zero on my laptop. Search KZbin to find out how to install Leela Zero.

[@kyalvidigi1398]

Can you do a tutorial on how to install Katago on pc?

[@bclarky12]

google baduk megapack and install that

[@goproyeonwoo]

I'm a 18kyu for computer :(

[@aidamartin2402]

so she is basically playing a 9 dan?

[@sebastianbal1008]

11 dan

[@kyalvidigi1398]

I thought you were playing white. Haha

[@abizern665]

You look like you are having too much fun. When I play go I am stressed, and clutching my hair. Are you sure you are a pro?

[@thembamabona9809]

Why did u give up the corner after investing 5 stones?!

[@goproyeonwoo]

Because I think I can get bigger things

[@heartborne05]

lol @13:14

[@NukaColaQuantum]

Marry me you so pretty ❤

[@honkeykong9592]

Nah you should jus play me :)

[@honkeykong9592]

Ps try not answering :)

[@sandybarnes887]

Come to 🇨🇦 Canada. Much better than the USA 🇺🇸

[@goproyeonwoo]

I think both I would like to visit!

[@sandybarnes887]

@@goproyeonwoo sounds nice

[@davidmunhofen7889]

We don't get arested and thrown in jail yet, for simply talking to people about our beliefs about where all life comes from, since overall the legal system is still supporting us all in the U.S.A. and backed by the freedoms expressed in our Constitutional Laws of Freedom, to express freedom to live for the freedom from the slavery to sin against one another and God. Unlike the governament in Canada that has been arresting people for such freedoms and expressions of such also. So, Canada has become worse in this way, if no other, than the U.S.A. . Are you unaware of this in Canada??? Maybe you can be apart of changing this? I hope it will change for your people and people visiting Canada, so we won't have to go to jail for Loving ourself and our neighbor concerning the meaning of Life and Love of the most basic expressions of freedom between people in these way.