If Planets Were Pizzas

[@captainufo4587]

Nonsense. Everyone knows that the only scientifically accurate way of having a flat planet is by putting it on the backs of four elephants, on the back of a turtle. And it's turtle all the way down.

[@Ptaku93]

the turtle swims through the cosmos

[@Blartyboy]

An that turtle is called a'tuin. And the elephants are called Berlia, Tubul, Great T'Phon and Jerakeen. Is it sad that I know all of those names off by heart?

[@kasane1337]

@@Blartyboy That's actually pretty impressive.

[@MCPhssthpok]

@@Blartyboy but what about the fifth elephant?

[@enoshade]

@@MCPhssthpok Ever noticed all the metals and stuff? Yeah, that's the bones of the fifth elephant. Long story.

[@Alfwin]

I know you said it was ridiculous but now I legit want to see a fantasy setting where the entire world is a literal snowglobe, existing as a novelty knickknack on some god's desk.

[@calmeilles]

Zarniwoop had an entire universe in his office, created for the benefit of Zaphod Beeblebrox. Not sure if it was under a snow globe though.

[@haydenmaines5905]

Not a snowglobe per se but roundworld (our universe) exists as an irrational magic experiment in a bottle at the Unseen University in The Science of Discworld series

[@sortagoodish8491]

That does sound pretty funny

[@jasonreed7522]

I know in "The Magicians" the different inhabitable planets are represented as snowglobes in a god's house. Note earth is still a sphere but the main fantasy planet is a cone world. I'm cool with nonspherical planets when its been obviously stated to be a divine/magic creation. They can be really fun.

[@Benseer]

The day/night cycle is just when the god leaves their office for the day and comes back in the morning.

[@argenteus8314]

If we're saying the planet is artificial anyway, it doesn't seem that weird to say it also has an artificial magnetic field. We're already dealing with godlike levels of technology to begin with, so being able to make a planet sized object a permanent magnet doesn't seem that much of a stretch.

[@Ditidos]

More so if the planet rotates in that fashion and you put a long copper/gold cable inside it. Shouldn't that generate two polos and thus a magnet?

[@ragnkja]

It’s definitely less silly than a space snow globe.

[@kraetyz]

I was thinking this too! If the pizza planet is constructed, generating a magnetic field for it seems a no-brainer for whoever built it.

[@greenben3744]

If the planet is artificial anyways, we can have a reasonable atmosphere and gravitic field as well. And the miraculous technology we need for this would be a pretty damn big tank of Hydrogen, as our dumb mass, lying beneath our feet in ring like segments. It really isn’t that god like after all. Still a huge engineering challenge though.

[@Dragrath1]

@@greenben3744 Density eh? It might be important to ask How dense the central core would have to optimally be and what sorts of forces the structure needs to be able to sustain s those are going to be the big hurdles. That said I like the idea of metallic hydrogen flowing through ring like channels since that would surely make the powerful magnetic field. I guess technically you could use any form of electron degenerate matter assuming you have the pressure to stabilize it With the right high pressure superconductors you could even use the system to develop a quantum computer depending on the future of material science It might require more exotic superconductors like uranium(Presumably highly depleted Uranium i.e. pure U238 with a half life of ~4.5*10^9 years) ditelluride to produce the right quasi particles for quantum computations but if you can build such a pizza planet that should be easily solved. :P

[@moctawolf]

''Square, circle, *bestagon* '' Oh yes... CGP Grey reference, nice

[@oinkymomo]

CPG

[@moctawolf]

oinky momo ooppsss changing that now

[@flinko99]

Possibly the only bad thing I've seen Artifexian do.

[@oinkymomo]

@@flinko99 how is this a bad thing

[@falpsdsqglthnsac]

@@flinko99 answer the question

[@friend_trilobot]

I do love how Terry Patchet's Discworld explicitly replaces physics with straight up Magic, to the point that it is frustrating to some characters who wish it was less so

[@Autoskip]

Darn you B****y Stupid Johnson!

[@diablo.the.cheater]

What is magic but physics waiting to be explained with math?

[@carstekoch]

@@diablo.the.cheater magic=phisics/will *Axel Stoll

[@thereapersfriend]

Discworld is the only acceptable flat earth 🤷‍♂️

[@GoranXII]

@@Autoskip Actually, Johnson pushes _the other way_ , making thing even _further_ from reality than is normal for the Disc (see the sorting engine in _Going Postal_ , or Empirical Crescent in _Thud_ ).

[@hansmorktopphol901]

I’m sick of supporters of geocentrism and heliocentrism arguing, so I propose a compromise: selenacentrism, sun and earth orbit the moon

[@Green24152]

good idea

[@shootymcshootfacekoff7972]

But what if everything orbits each other

[@NoConsequenc3]

@@shootymcshootfacekoff7972 you'd be right

[@the4spaceconstantstetraqua886]

@@shootymcshootfacekoff7972 Omnicentrism

[@sinomirneja771]

For that, why assume a fix point on any of the objects? we could take a random fixed point any where in the universe.

[@Erik_Hecker]

Hexagons are the bestagons

[@porcelainface7809]

Very true,

[@huh2726]

Hexagons is Strong-a-gon

[@kleinesfilmroellchen]

I am surprised I got that reference. Then again, I shouldn't be.

[@BozheTsaryaKhrani]

I understood that reference

[@GameTornado01]

I stand firmly in favour the glorious Octagons.

[@QuarkGamingLLC]

"If planets were pizzas, that'd be one spicy meat-a ball" - Nail "The Grass" Titan

[@imiguifurr]

Quick!! Nail the grass titan!!

[@kyled2153]

So “zetecism” means I can say “It looks like that guy is an idiot (because he made [x] mistake), therefore, he is.” Can someone please clarify?

[@beingrandomisfun6927]

I believe i am a god therefore I am. Karen's believe vaccines cause autism therefore it dose Man it's dumb

[@benjaminhaupais6470]

"we can pick and choose when to be zetetic or not" described well the faulty reasoning at cause. But this video might cast the guilt on the wrong part. Zeteticism is about not dismissing, at first, any intellectual proposition. Like playing with the idea of a flat earth mecanic as a thought experiment rather than dismiss it as BS. This open mind approach can and is weaponized by individuals who also use the "until proven otherwise" of the scientific method to claim anything (in their agenda) as 100% real. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIXJmYyvidqHapY&ab_channel=FoldingIdeas en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%A9t%C3%A9tique

[@azzockmagnahail6013]

I happen to be a physics student so I've found the idea is actually not as totally bonkers as it may first appear. Basically from what I know it emerged sort of alongside modern science. This was basically when science went from messing around with stuff to figure something out about it, likely using some clever math to do something with the results, to using instruments to mess around with stuff instead. That is to say, the acquisition of knowledge became a step removed from whatever you were studying. Nowadays we're way beyond that, we study things by looking at how it affects something which in turn affects something else which we can measure. Like the picture of the black hole taken recently, it's not as simple as pointing a camera at a black hole. This development meant the death of layman science. You couldn't just expect to observe something and come to a unique conclusion before, you now had to acquire the necessary instruments and go through some schooling before you would be able to work in this new framework of modern science. Zeteticism was therefore largely a reactionary movement, a pushback against the prevailing scientific method. What Zeteticism upholds as the pinnacle of good science is deriving a conclusion from a simple experiment that can be performed by anyone. As not anyone can use or get an electron microscope or other advanced instruments you can see where this comes into issue. This might not be a problem in itself but since simplicity is held sacred a lot of Zetetic experiments are flawed. For instance by taking the radius of the Earth you can calculate the distance as which an object should disappear over the horizon, the simplest way to do this is to probably put something like a flag on a boat and push it towards the horizon. Do this and you will see the flag for longer than you're supposed to due to the effects of optics which will refract light past the horizon. But in order to keep the experiment simple, and therefore Zetetic in nature, you inevitably ignore that effect and therefore create a flawed experiment. Zeteticism doesn't only apply to flat earthers, and you can see how it applies to a lot of things like homeopathy. It seems like an appealing idea, creating simple experiments to allow for personal verifiability, but inevitably experiments that simple ignore crucial factors and are flawed in nature. In conclusion, no, it doesn't just mean 'he made x mistake, therefore he's wrong' it's instead more 'he performed an experiment which I cannot personally understand, therefore despite consensus from his peers that he is indeed correct I will choose not to believe him' I hope this helps, sorry about the length but I'm slightly busy so I couldn't make a more concise explanation. And also, I'm not entirely an expert in the subject, but this is Zeteticism as I understand it.

[@aro4cinglife]

I think so

[@kyled2153]

@@azzockmagnahail6013 Thank you for clarifying.

[@duskyrc1373]

4:31 ironically, a world shaped like that would *feel* flatter; as the gravity of the bulging outer ring cancels out towards the centre but the pull of the nearer portion becomes far stronger as you move from the centre out.

[@Primordial_Soup]

I'll admit that I have two homebrew D&D settings that are "flat", wholly because I am a Discworld fan. One was created by eldritch gods while the other is literally an infinite dreamworld which functions entirely on dream logic. This will certainly help in fleshing them out in fun ways!

[@stw7120]

The only semi-official attempt at D&D astrophysics that I know had a geocantric globe planet, inside a crystal sphere, stars where cracks in the dome through which incandescent interstellar(interglobular?) matter leaked in, and the Sun and Moon(s) supposed to rotate around it. The Sun was a wormhole to another plane, too, I think. I never actually got if the sphere and the planet rotated relative to each other, tho. In my version they do. I absolutely adore such cosmologies. They can gift the feeling of space exploration and invention of methods that's totally lost after decades of scifi, but was a key feature of it in the beginning of the genre. Now fantasy let's us relieve that lost time, in our exploratory missions to the intersolar plane or the crystal desert of the sky dome.

[@diablo.the.cheater]

@@stw7120 Have you readed about Elder Scrolls cosmology? It is kind of similar, the sun and stars in that setting are just holes in the sky to a plane of pure unadulterated magic, and magic and light falls to the universe trough those holes. The planets that are not the main one are the corpses of the dead gods that where tricked in to creating the main world and the interstellar space is literally hell. Plus there is some weird space time shenanigans happening in the main planet where the farther north you travel, the time starts to stop until it goes to a halth, the farther south you go, the less of reality exists until it does not exist, and if you travel to the west you travel to the past and if you travel to the east you travel to the future. Plus in reality all reality instead of being composed of atoms is all just a song, so it is all waves. And in reality this song is inside a dream and it is really all just a dream and all conscious stuff in that universe from gods to bugs are just the split personalities of the one dreaming, gods being bigger chunks and mortal being lesser chunks, so if you make enough people belive one thing, you can confuse the universe enough to belive that thing is real and so it becomes real. You can also study the waves of this song and replicate them to cause physical phenomena, so if you make the sound of fire inside this song, fire appears because yoy have modified the song. Ah and in that universe if you realzie it is all a dream, you have two outcomes, if you dread it, you are erased from the past the present and the future, you cease to exist, because you are a part of the one dreaming and so if you dread it being a dream, the part of the dreamer that is you "wakes up", but if instead you are perfectly okay with it being a dream and you understand that you are just a filament of the dreamer and so is everyone else and all is a dream, you literally become omnipotent because you can just lucid dream reality to your will, of course, if you are a midget of a fragment of consciousness your daydreaming would have local impact, but against anything that is not aware, they are defendless even if they are a bigger chunk, so you could just go around absorving bigger chunks until you become a chunk of consciousness big enough to have universewide impact and then you can change the past, the present the future and nobody can stop you. Basically The Elder Scrolls universe it is a more advanced form of "it is all a dream".

[@psachickennugget8617]

Dream world is a disc because non-flat earthers are too connected to reality and thus they cannot affect the dream world as much as flat earthers?

[@Prophet_of_Colour]

Just remember that an infinite plane would have Infinite mass, and therefore infinite gravity, since gravity has no distance limit. Consequently, matter would be pulled by infinite force in all directions, and also be pulling the infinite amount of matter towards it, and therefore be both taking in and exerting infinite energy.

[@psachickennugget8617]

@@Prophet_of_Colour ah but gravity is made up and not real, remember? Not according to some flat earthers.

[@KaitlynFedrick]

Guys I'm beginning to think Artifexian isn't a flat earther

[@didack1419]

Nonsense

[@tparadox88]

Artifexian does not appear to be a flat earther, *therefore*...

[@lordoslimes]

@@tparadox88 ... he is correct

[@brrrrrr]

Seriously? I'm unsubbing.

[@aubrypersilwill4146]

there are two solutions to this : either you're just kidding and knew he wasn't a flatearther either you're not kidding, and in this case, get out just get out of here you're not allowed here. thanks

[@MrSafeTCam]

11:15 "And in all cases, there would be no seasons. I mean, over geological time, sure, seasons would occur due to orbital precession, but they'd last for a long, long time, and all of the flat planet would experience the same season at the same time." Wait is the planet that Westeros is on Flat? Winter Is Coming

[@maluti1921]

"squares, circles, Bestagons" i see, a man of culture :D

[@aubrypersilwill4146]

I mean, hexagons ARE the bestagons.

[@jdlenl]

wait, if the flat earth were inside a giant glass ball, wouldn't that make it a spherical earth anyway?

[@adrianmcbride1666]

Yes, yes it would.

[@drsharkboy6568]

Ironic...

[@draco5991rep]

Flat Earthers: "Listen here you little shit ..."

[@conanhighwoods4304]

I do not know where he got that one at, most Flat Earthers that I know do not believe that. They believe That Earth is like a snowglobe submerged in a cosmic ocean. I think this model makes more since then the one he presented.

[@rbade8609]

that just sounds like a planet with extra steps!

[@NikkiTheViolist]

I always think it would be hilarious to have a giant ice-planet that has oasis-like world pockets of heat that exist because a sun-light is circling around above them. And it's not just an ice-wall you run into, but if you ever manage to climb it, it's just a massive ice wasteland until you find the next sun-light creating a little oasis world below.

[@UDIBro]

Huh, that's a great idea!

[@Attaxalotl]

You should write a book!

[@Sinchu9]

>bestagon I see I have found a fellow Grey fan

[@eclecticsoffy]

Awesome, we are everywhere

[@Yomabo]

Not taking flat-earthers into account, this is actually a pretty cool pseudoscience explanation for who "gods" made planets first, but as the "gods" abandoned there project, gravity and nature took over and the planets became spheres..

[@sarahferraro4641]

*Furious scribbling* Well I know what my next campaign setting is

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

I wonder what the process of a flat earth being squished into a spherical earth would be like? Would be it be gradual and relatively peaceful (e.g. the planet morphing from a disc to a saucer to a sphere over 100s millions of years) or would it be more dramatic?

[@geradosolusyon511]

@@merrymachiavelli2041 that'd be very, very violent.

[@Dragrath1]

@@geradosolusyon511 No kidding gravitational collapse happens in fractions of a second within the cores of dying stars it also produces a lot of heat very quickly as it is the most efficient mechanism for production of thermal/radiative energy from mass. (aside from matter antimatter annihilation that is of course) In fact it is what provides the heat to ignite fusion in stars which is the real limiting factor in determining whether a protostar becomes a star or cools off as a degenerate brown dwarf. (I.e. this is why there is a mass overlap between brown dwarfs and small stars it all depends on how quickly the collapse happened)

[@lyly_lei_lei]

Concept that is an adaptation to yours: gods decided to experiment with a flat earth, but, instead of entirely giving up on the project, they mostly just stop working on it. They gave it divine plate tectonics and a divine magnetosphere and made it not subject to hydrostatic equilibrium. The final thing they added was planetary gods (gods which dominion is only on one world) and told them to just go crazy.

[@DarthBiomech]

5:20 If the air density is also consistent upwards, this won't be the case, since scattering will deal with and eliminate all photons traveling from too far away before they reach the observer. The sky might become some unusual hue as a result, though!

[@calmeilles]

So, any "real" flat Earth would appear to Zetetics to be a bowl while an infinite flat Earth Zetetics would see as the interior of a sphere… Or… put the flat Earthers on a flat Earth and they wouldn't believe it.

[@joshuascott7641]

infinite flat earth would have sphere-earth conspiracy theoriests

[@majacovic5141]

@@joshuascott7641 bwahahahaha 😂

[@HaloInverse]

​@__ Whatever the _original_ meaning of the term "zetetic", Rowbotham did adopt (or co-opt) the word to describe the foundations of _his_ flat-Earth model. Given Rowbotham's influence on the flat-Earthers that followed him, it appears that the word has been given a _second_ meaning (possibly conflated with the original, when convenient). ...are you making a "no true Scotsman" argument?

[@kayseek1248]

Flat Earthers: Write that down write that down!

[@spacexsays3227]

It's NOT what they can PROVE.......it's what we've been TOLD......The Globe.

[@Vahgana]

@@spacexsays3227 yep

[@Moosh_]

I read this as “If plants were pizzas” and I was really confused

[@40watt53]

Here's a cool idea I saw like forever ago: Giant (Possibly infinite) flat disk where gravity decreases as you move inwards. So in the center you could have things like giants and dragons, if you move out enough you'll get to normal Earth gravity, and further out the gravity is higher leading to smaller creatures like dwarves or gnomes, eventually it becomes completely inhospitable to all life.

[@FaeChangeling]

6:22 I don't understand the logic here. "I don't believe the Earth is a sphere, so it must be flat, but it's surrounded by a sphere of mass", you've just come up with a more complicated spherical Earth

[@friend_trilobot]

"Some believe the dome is a sphere" Me: [edit] *face palm*

[@majacovic5141]

You could say they went all the way around and came back the other side. 🤔

[@shoootme]

Flat earthers from across the globe will see this.

[@shannonparkhill5557]

you mean form AROUND the globe!

[@shoootme]

@@shannonparkhill5557 yeah, dislexsea typing on a phone is never a good idea.

[@shannonparkhill5557]

@@shoootme a better idea than a flat earth!! :)

[@spacexsays3227]

One of the oldest jokes about this topic. Are you special?

[@shoootme]

@@spacexsays3227 very

[@Ezullof]

I'm currently very hungry and waiting for my badly hand-made pizza to finish cooking in the oven. Why are you doing this to me Artifexian? WHY?

[@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus]

I never thought I'd see Artifexian debunk flat earthers, but here we go :D

[@saltenzy449]

in this episode, Artifexian roasts flat earthers

[@NeroDefogger]

the: "therefore, they are" just killed me EVERY SINGLE TIME, total count: 12

[@chrisgaming9567]

Could you do an episode on what happens when a planet cools down enough that plate tectonics stop moving? Like how fast things would erode and flatten out and stuff.

[@spacexsays3227]

That would all be theories and psuedo science. Could you handle all that junk?

[@lyly_lei_lei]

@@spacexsays3227 Ironic.

[@Red-in-Green]

Not very fast. Like not on a scale humans can comprehend. For example, there has been pretty much no tectonic activity on the east coast of North America since the Paleozoic (before dinosaurs), but we still have mountains. I’d estimate that the loss of a magnetic field would sterilize the planet long before it got leveled out.

[@MCjossic]

I really liked the bit where you suggested an infinite plane type planet (4:50). Do you think you could elaborate/expand on the thought? I think it's really interesting.

[@MCPhssthpok]

Any chance of getting an analysis of ringworld/halo "planets"?

[@A._Person]

He's done that before. That shape is called a torus, but he may have called it a doughnut in the video title.

[@MCPhssthpok]

@@A._Person That's not a ringworld though. The original Ringworld was like a ribbon joined in a circle, with a radius the size of a planetary orbit, spun up to give it centrifugal "gravity" and with mountain walls on either side to stop the atmosphere from spilling out.

[@A._Person]

@@MCPhssthpok And there's me thinking it was like a torus . . . :(

[@yodo9000]

The Anderson disk is also a really interesting one; it's my favorite.

[@Max-lf4br]

3 seconds ago i just finished watching someone tell a pizza joke to the Dalai Lama........ i think the algorithm is telling me that i should have more pizzas. edit: i had 2 pizzas today for lunch, i of course shared some around "I'm not a monster" and I'm happy

[@Drudenfusz]

Nothing wrong with having more pizza!

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

Why are you listening to racist jokes? Everyone knows the Dalai Lama is a Sinophobic racist who said Europe is for Europeans and refugees should go back to where they came from.

[@Max-lf4br]

@@Ggdivhjkjl because it popped up in my recommended

[@IcarussArtss]

this was a fun lesson on "how to make your flat dnd world even more interesting". god i fell in love with the idea of infinite flat plane and people using stars to track cities, if big enough light source way over there would project to the sky. "oh that! that is saggitarius kingdom. you see that point? that is their capital"

[@theletters9623]

something about a rapidly spinning disk orbiting the sun made me genuinely laugh out loud

[@GeFlixes]

For some reason, I now want to read a fantasy novel about a extreme adventurer that wants to reach the edge of the planet pizza, with the edges feeling increasingly like you're climbing Mount Everest and the edges only inhabited by extremophile creatures.

[@ihh2921]

Oh duuude that sounds really cool, I'd definitely read that. Hope something like it exists

[@BonaparteBardithion]

What's gravity like at the edge? Can the adventurer move well enough to navigate over it?

[@GeFlixes]

@@BonaparteBardithion he'll suffucate first.

[@BonaparteBardithion]

@@GeFlixes I assume he'd prep for low oxygen conditions.

[@GeFlixes]

@@BonaparteBardithion might not be possible depending on the settings. It is a long way to go from end of atmo to the actual edge, in fact more like an extended moon walk instead of 'just' being under oxygen mask for the duration of an Everest climb. He'll have to find the Edge Nomads, a race that adapted their magic to the environment. Their homes are filled with air bubbles when erected, and they farm the barren soil for minerals by harvesting microscopic extremophiles as sludge. Even they stay away from the edge for fear of the Vertical Elves, though. They live on the edges of the disk that is 90 degree from the long, flat surface. In there, atmo is trapped in the bend of the short edge, but preserving the gasses is a constant struggle. Their pantheon revolves around it, and they're hostile to the dwellers of the long flat edges. The setting gets whackier and more interesting the longer I think about it, lol.

[@adamgreene9938]

Now I wish the earth was flat just so I could "WALK" into space.

[@elijahberegovsky8957]

A tiny sun and moon spin around them, on a complicated orbit to induce seasons, so probably nowhere else in the multiverse is it sometimes necessary for an elephant to cock a leg to allow the sun to go past. Exactly why this should be may never be known. Possibly the Creator of the universe got bored with all the usual business of axial inclination, albedos and rotational velocities, and decided to have a bit of fun for once. (c) Terry Pratchett

[@waywardwatcher2053]

Imagine living on a flat earth described in this video and people start going off about bowl earth

[@evanev7]

This was really entertaining but also really salty and I'm here for it

[@masongoser5627]

My brain couldn't help screaming DISCWORLD this entire video

[@T1toke]

Ain't it crazy how airplane pilots have to Dodge the moon and soon daily 🙏 respect

[@MrVault-fi6nv]

XD

[@petrfedor1851]

6:29 that is just globe with extra steps!

[@exypnosaurus5079]

Imagine if the flat Earth was just a pizza that someone threw at a wall, but it takes many millions of years to get there. And once it hits the wall, our world just ends.

[@dontforgetyoursunscreen]

That would be a cool story idea they characters would have to stop this apocalypse as no one believes them and they can't stop it from moving or every thing will fly away

[@Divinemakyr]

An earth moving upwards makes 0 sense because it leaves no explanation for objects accelerating as they fall, because things don't just fall at a constant rate.

[@Ezullof]

In Stellaris, someone made a mod so that Earth can start on an artificial "flat Earth" akin to the other mega/gigastructures found in game such as the Dyson Sphere. I don't know if it's the only credible way to imagine a flat "planet", or if it only shows how impossible gigastructures are in general.

[@firebladeentertainment5739]

you mean the system size disk you can build with the gigastructures mod? based on how LARGE and UTTERLY thick it looks, it could very well be possible that its sheer mass creates enough gravity to support an atmosphere and life although the implications are interesting since its a disk at whichs center is the sun.

[@TheAnalyticalEngine]

It's called an Alderson disk en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alderson_disk

[@firebladeentertainment5739]

@@TheAnalyticalEngine I am terrible with remembering names

[@Jay2480]

Then there's the literal flat earth start for it

[@LoreNorvy]

Thank you so much! Me and my friends are writing a story settled on a floating island in the void created by a god, so this video was so useful, thank you!

[@Monarch5584]

I came here expecting how to worldbuild a flat planet, instead I got 14 minutes of calling flat earthers idiots, I love it

[@Galimeer5]

I love how even though you're doing your best to explain earthly phenomena happening to a flat planet, it still falls short and you have to use god magic or super technology to make it work

[@thefafala]

How you used the world "zeteticism" was really odd for me. Indeed as a French, we have a really large scientifical community referring themselves as zeteticians but not the way you used it, more an espistemiology way. And they often debunk or produce contents to warns about conspiracy theory

[@guaymaster]

He kind of touches on it a bit, flat earthers apply zeteticism whenever it can be used to justify their preconcieved notions. In truth the very process of science relies on making experiments based on observations that don't fit into the current theories.

[@thefafala]

@@guaymaster Totally, my point is this word doesnt have the same first connotation in the French communities

[@ferociousfeind8538]

@@thefafala it needn't, as far as the flat earther is concerned. the main point is that flat earthers are zeteticians *in name only* and the moment direct observations stop being useful, they abandon them. Like when the sun clearly sets below the horizon. "That's not really happening, that's just perspective!!" et cetera et cetera

[@LadybugsOpin]

You think flat earth is a dead meme? My old neighbors decided to homeschool their kids just to teach them that. They're still under that idea. -_-

[@UraniumVulcan]

“Earth snow globe” that’s hilarious

[@NovaNocturneArt]

I've actually been trying to conceptualize a bubble planet for a while now, and your model of the infinite plane planet was super helpful!

[@histhoryk2648]

"If Planets Were Pizzas" Then dirt would taste like pizza but it doesn't, I tried

[@vedritmathias9193]

Dirt doesn't taste like pizza, *therefore*, the Earth isn't pizza.

[@diablo.the.cheater]

What if planets where dirt pizzas? after all, there are some weird pizzas out there

[@dontforgetyoursunscreen]

Meanwhile in a alternate universe what if planets were oranges

[@MrRhombus]

Funfact: Someone made a theory that the Minecraft world is flat starting by using the stars

[@Gamesaucer]

That's pretty impressive. Surface geometry would give you the same result (it's perfectly Euclidean and thus perfectly flat), but it's always a good idea to confirm your findings using different methods if possible. Actually, I wonder what other methods there might be to try to find the Minecraft world's shape. One interesting thing is that in Minecraft, for the world to be flat, light must not be affected by gravity, or we'd get the "hollow planet" appearance.

[@Ditidos]

I actually remember a guy here in KZbin going all the way to explain how the world of Minecraft not only is possible but how to build the motherfucking beast (keep in mind the Minecraft overworld has as much surface area as Neptune). I don't remember if it came with a Nether too, but I do remember the video being in spanish.

[@matthewhubka6350]

@@Gamesaucer for the sun to be on the horizon, the planet must not be infinite. Therefore, Minecraft could be small enough like the earth for light curving to not be a problem

[@Rajclaw]

I’m working on a dnd campaign that takes place on a flat planet due to godly interventions and this helps a ton!

[@Ric885]

I loved the differrent directions of down joke. As someone who had to develop a good sense of physics for the job it is what annoys me most with flat earthers.

[@l_alphy]

im sorry but the disk rapidly spinning around while orbiting a ball looks extremely hilarious to me for some reason

[@genybr]

Yeah, this is brilliant thing for a starship, that so large, that it's central part had to became habitable. So, any issues with fields - is up to it's structures.

[@genybr]

@@mymo_in_Bb some kind of Ulitimatively large vessel, that have so much density and size that it became a flatworld with own ecosystem. At the last days of the universe it tries to get away from explosion point, in a moments berore new "BigBang" or... it snatches away from some oversized Black Hole in the middle of new world....

[@genybr]

@@mymo_in_Bb magnetic and so on fields, not farming. It produced by internal ship structures.

[@genybr]

@@mymo_in_Bb sorry, english is far from my native language. I bet you had to understand it correctly. Or create own fan fiction on that, so you can share your image of this mega-thing

[@xcreeperbombx61]

@@genybr oversized black hole = fat hole

[@generalzeta7000]

Been reading a story taking place on a broken piece of a ring world. The gravity generators are getting low on power, and the plain's A.I.(?) is attempting to recharge them with foreign magic.

[@Titanic-wo6bq]

2:39 CGP Grey: I love your words magic man

[@AsianGanyu]

6:31 flat earths saying that earth is flat but also saying it’s a sphere by having the dome hold the water underneath

[@JontyLevine]

Take a drink every time Edgar says flat earthers are bad. 🍺

[@SoullessAIMusic]

This is the video I needed! I got a world on an infinite plane of existence where there's only light in a singular area. The rest of the plains are dark and cold and have fantastic/supernatural life. This vid just made that world a lot more interesting!

[@erdgerd9584]

Why not a flat moon?

[@yavayen4796]

Point, the moon and sun appear to be flat, therefore...

[@lyly_lei_lei]

@@yavayen4796 they’re round.

[@laurencefraser]

@@lyly_lei_lei but not spherical!

[@lyly_lei_lei]

@@laurencefraser They’re chonkers.

[@kingofflames738]

You know, theoretically there can be flat planets, but they'd be incredibly hostile places to be at. Their rotation would be so extreme that it would *almost* tear itself apart.

[@iCore7Gaming]

They would be more oval then flat

[@matthewm1133]

I love this! I made a flat world back in high school (before the big resurgence of flat earth conspiracies) and it was really interesting seeing how science interacts with a flat world setting, especially when compared to real-world flat earth conspiracies

[@syriuszb8611]

There would be climates in this model, due to greenhouse effect of the atmosphere. Middle would be very hot, and further away, where atmosphere is slim it would become colder and with more extreme day/ night temperature differences.

[@janogucevich9924]

I think it needs to be mentioned that this video applies for worlds in our universe. If you create a universe with different laws and forces, then the possibilities are infinite. The youtube channel Worldbuilding notes has a lot of videos about worlds that behave differently to a world in our universe. (now that I think about it, I can't think of a single video of hers that takes place in a universe like ours)

[@jg36]

Exactly. I was disappointed that this was more about debunking flat-earthers irl than imagining what a different reality could be like

[@TralliE]

But have you considered the effects of putting your world on the back of four giant elephants and an even bigger turtle?

[@chrisgaming9567]

Could you do an episode on calculating the frequency of asteroid impacts, based on how large a planet is and where it's orbit is?

[@raptor4916]

Hilariously if you apply the Zetecic principle consistently you would arrive at the correct model of the world that is a heliocentric model with a spherical earth

[@erinkarp6317]

So if air was around the center, and as you got farther from the center it felt steeper, that would make walking away from the center feel like going up in atmosphere.

[@AndrianTimeswift]

It would be just like climbing a mountain.

[@erinkarp6317]

@@AndrianTimeswift exactly. It would be the same as a valley world

[@matthewparker9276]

A correction to be made though, is that gravity on the inside of a spherical shell is 0. The masses near you and far from you on the other side cancel out. Gravity on the external surface of a sphere does approach that of an infinite plane though, and indeed this is why we can treat gravity as a constant near the earth's surface.

[@EnigmaticLucas]

Fun Fact: Although our planet is obviously round, it’s technically not a sphere because it bulges at the Equator

[@lyly_lei_lei]

And the Southern Hemisphere bulges more than the Northern Hemisphere. It’s an oblate spheroid.

[@BonaparteBardithion]

@@lyly_lei_lei You mean Columbus was onto something with his pear-shape theory?

[@lyly_lei_lei]

@@BonaparteBardithion Barely. The earth is more of a sphere than a pear. If you actually pixel measure most distant pictures of the earth, such as the blue marble image, you can see the north side of the equator is slightly smaller.

[@janMelantu]

Aka Fat Earth Theory

[@jairoliradeamorimjr3262]

If planets were pizzas, the Italians would rule the Earth

[@niku..]

I stand in for the rights of rocks to fall in any direction that they want to! In fact everyone and everything should be allowed to choose what direction is down! Come join the fight!

[@BonaparteBardithion]

Obligatory "the enemy's gate is down".

[@Bombardier7906]

I was watching one of your videos and saw this thumbnail, and didn't recognise it, so I clicked it and here I am

[@Narkokhelus]

I'm a bit surprised to learn here that the word 'zetetic' was claimed to name such absolute nonsense in English. Originally (and it still is the case in French) it is basically a synonym of 'skepticism', and thus it is used to name the discipline that aims at debunking fake news, as well as superstitions, paranormal interpretations etc. using rational doubt. It uses a scientific method: quite the opposite of what 'Zetetic astronomy' and 'The zetetic fundation' aim at! For more info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%A9t%C3%A9tique

[@CorbiniteVids]

political cults usually appropriate the language of the very movements best suited to challenge them, it's a part of what makes them so hard to tackle. It makes it harder to use that very same language that they stole when criticizing them, at the same time as making their movement look more legitimate and well thought-out. You see this with the alt-right and white supremacists copying progressive language (calling themselves identitarians, using the terminology that we use when dealing with invasive species and ecological threats to refer to people of color, stealing the language of feminism and antipatriarchy in order to fearmonger about men of color and portray them as savages), TERFS (stealing the genderqueer flag and saying it was always theirs, claiming that technically everyone is nonbinary all while constantly demonizing nonbinary people as mentally ill), antisemites stealing and severely bastardizing elements of jewish faith. When these cults do this, just as much as they intend to use them as logical defenses in arguments, they know that just by using these talking points they poison the waters and make it so that no one else can use that language without looking like one of the cultists, which then discourages their opponents from using the original arguments as they stood before getting misappropriated

[@tafazzi-on-discord]

why would you use two words for exactly the same thing?

[@doddermodd]

This was a very entertaining unintentional flat Earth debunk.

[@WolfgangDoW]

"flat earth is a dead meme" God we wish it were

[@SilkenLuna]

It is. Just some flerfs never got the memo. :)

[@evanvollbrecht541]

That Isaac Arthur recommendation doubled my respect for this channel, love to see it

[@chelvo56]

Hmm... Could you do an episode about Cylindrical Planets? I have the idea of one of my worlds being a really large worm, so it would be interesting

[@calmeilles]

Hal Clement's Mission of Gravity has a highly oblate planet, Mesklin, with hugely variable gravity as a consequence. That might be a place to start thinking about cylindrical worlds.

[@Ditidos]

That seems like a relatively standart space habitat. I mean, O'Neil cilinders are pretty popular and are, essentially, well, cilindrical habitable worlds of diferent sizes (I'm not sure what the limit is, so you may need unobtanium to make them truly gigantic).

[@Merecir]

Make it an elder Wyrm and in the center of the inside space is a stream of the wyrms fire breath that acts as the worlds light source. =D

[@Randoplants]

I would love a bungee jumping tourist trap at the edge of the atmosphere. Jump off into space in a protective suit, and then get reeled back in.

[@chrisgaming9567]

How about an episode on building civilisations that started as insect-style hive societies, rather than ones that started as tribal societies like humans?

[@Ditidos]

If you wanted to, you could look up the Drone from Traveller. They are exactly that and their society is weird and interesting (although it has a lot of magic-like elements in it, but I think it wouldn't be that hard to take them out).

[@majacovic5141]

Look up the anime Cells at Work. Society would be like that, with everyone being born in the same place and jobs determined from birth.

[@yodo9000]

I thought this was going to be more of a theory crafting, and less of a rant against flat earthers.

[@yerdasellsavon9232]

Perhaps the Dome it actually a magnetic field that solves the issues of the atmosphere and ocean staying.

[@kyuubitao]

I simply can't get over how hilarious and absurd the flipping pizza in orbit looks here. It's even funnier after adding a moon.

[@doornumb]

Flat earthers are gonna use this to defend their opinions lmao

[@quinnbuffet3825]

Are they? Because Artefexian put a lot of good points as to why this whole thing doesn't make sense I mean...it has to be some kind of schizo-6monthdaynight-seasonless-closedatmosphere-illusionarybowlsky-withasteepdistalplane-world

[@spacexsays3227]

It's NEVER what they can PROVE.......it's what you've been TOLD......The Globe.

[@Pixelsam7]

@@spacexsays3227 what

[@vickonator4998]

@@spacexsays3227 huh???

[@josephjarosch8739]

Make the disk spin like a top. The centrifugal force will neatly cancel out the horizontal component of gravity, so it will get weaker towards the rum, but still point down.

[@electricc437]

Which one of them would be with pineapple?

[@khublaklonk4480]

This video brings back some memories. For a long time I tried to create a fantasy TTRPG world that would look just like Earth to people on the ground (it was originally just for ease of mapping). It never worked. Even with buckets of magic you basically have to choose your best-tolerable flavour of weird. I eventually went for a sort of geode-cum-bird table-meets-stalagmite with a sun/chandelier/um...thing. It was a fun exercise but to be honest it would've been better to just fudge the flamin' map.

[@Luigicat11]

So what about suns and moons and the like in relation to an _infinite_ planar world? How would their movements work? What about planar worlds in universes where geometry isn't Euclidean, like the hyperbolic world of HyperRogue?

[@adrianmcbride1666]

I am building a world where there is a mortal plane that extends outwards, until it gradually morphs into the 4 elemental planes. Clouds are the nations of the gods floating through the skies, stars and the sun/s? are the cities of the angels. The godly realm seperate and protects the mortal realm from the angels. The demon realm sits below the mortal realm, and can more easily access it because the godly realm does not seperate the two.

[@Luigicat11]

@@adrianmcbride1666 Interesting lore. So do the Elemental Planes go on forever or is there something beyond them, or just the edge of the universe which I guess would kinda still count as something beyond...

[@potatolord1234]

the answer to the astronomy? magic balls

[@dragonlex4]

Funny enough i have feeling, that if anyone manages to write a story with a greatly described infinite flat earth (aka no limit on edges down or up as well(aka up goes to cosmos, down to either cave world or imagine something)), it would be a great adventure story. So far comes to mind Toriko(because of how big the planet is there), Hunter X Hunter(i believe we haven't seen the full map of that one) and one piece which is technically one(more because of red line and grand line) but is still round with majority being water.

[@cudi4448]

I actually wanted to make a world like this in one of my story. I got this idea by looking at the minecraft world and just wondering how villagers thousand of kilometers apart could comunicate one with another. But I gave up the idea some times ago because I had the feeling my world was just not good.

[@JohnDlugosz]

Designing a flat planet (in my case, each face of a cube), the hyperdense mass plates used to construct it are thicker at the rim and thinner in the center, producing a uniform gravitational field across a disk-shaped region. Beyond that region, the plane is lightweight and quickly becomes a vertical wall, as gravity points back towards the hyperdense disk.

[@Tabieeee]

"If Planets Were Pizzas" more like "Artifexian roasts flatearthers for 15 minutes"

[@notyetunfranked9363]

Say you're on that infinite plane where light acts weird. What do you see when you look straight up?

[@gingeh1]

Yourself?