If the Emperor had a Podcast : Episode 1 - The Last Church | REACTION!!

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[@nullneptune9253]

The painting of the golden knight slaying the silver dragon is a representation of the emperor fighting the void dragon when it came to earth in which the emperor won and locked it away in Mars very very very deep in the noctris labyrinth

[@odst123451]

Really?

[@nullneptune9253]

@@odst123451 yes because there is the dragon cult in Mars that tech priest worship the void dragon either as the machine god of the real omnisiahh. And the heriteks know the void dragon is there and are preparing necron tech to use it as a weapon like what some necrons do with their ctan shards. And probably was the one that killed the raghadan during the xenocides because the DAOT weapons the emperor used had to have a power source somehow. So Mars is technically a tomb world and is probably why the mechanicus talks to machine spirits. I theorize the emperor fought and convinced the void dragon to aid or forced it to help the imperium in exchange for the dragon to eat the raghadan souls. Or just as a forced temp battery for the weapons which were in the noctris labyrinth.

[@odst123451]

@@nullneptune9253 That's cool

[@TitanForgeArtz40K]

Well the emperor wasn’t fighting the actual void dragon he was just fighting a shard of it after it Had been hit by the Blackstone fortresses which were created by the necrons and most of the shards had been destroyed one of the shards made it to earth and the emperor with the help of the Blackstone fortresses was able to beat the rest of the void dragon or the shard that’s in Mars and as a token or as a jester of goodwill the necrons gave the Blackstone fortresses to the emperor

[@eugenioderevell3826]

I think its in fact, a painting of St. George slaying the dragon

[@nightsider01]

You know I like the discussion around the Last Church more than I actually like the story.

[@orlandosimpson8404]

The 'giving him the choose to follow of his own free will' part made me laugh cause I immediately thought of angron.

[@trolldrool]

The Emperor's claim that it's ironic how the Big Bang was featured in a Church allegedly heavily based on Catholicism loses some validity when you remember that the person behind the Big Bang theory was a Catholic priest.

[@gabrielclark1425]

"Let there be light." Kablooy

[@brigidtheirish]

*And* that the *Vatican* has an *observatory.* Not to mention that astronomy is one of the disciplines *most* likely to have scientists who also have religious beliefs.

[@alexanderingraham8255]

I’m pretty sure he was referencing the ANTI-science wings of the religions. Which, if not the majority, tend to be the loudest and most often in control. Galileo being placed under house arrest for comes to mind.

[@piratekingomega3292]

@@brigidtheirish also the history of modern european education began when the church basically forced education to exist outside of the mediterranean via papal council

[@brigidtheirish]

@@piratekingomega3292 Yeah. Rome was pretty appalled to find out that a lot of *priests* in Northern Europe couldn't *read.*

[@robertjethrogallano1053]

Imagine the chaos gods watching this voxcast, like a couple of buddies watching TV..... i can imagine the scene: Tzeench: " hey hey guys, i hate all of you, and all you stand for...but you gotta watch this hilarious sh1t right here!"

[@crystalalarm3]

You forgot "Also just as planned!"

[@robertjethrogallano1053]

@@crystalalarm3 "nyeheheheeheh"

[@spencerherron5539]

I love how characters become progressively more aware of the meta the longer they spend with the emperor

[@sergio9669]

I have always wondered what horryfing trauma is hidden behind karstodes' helm he must have taken a glancing bolt round to the cranium or survived and assault by a daemon when terra was attacked

[@konialis45]

Apocalypsis(Αποκάλυψις) is literally the direct translation of the word "Revelation" into Greek (both modern and ancient). And given that the Emperor is supposed to be from Anatolia(modern day Turkey), the place where supposedly one of the tribes that eventually became the Greeks hail from, it could possibly be why he used the name. Also the book of revelation(Apocalypse of John) was first written in Greek i think(i could be wrong though). That is the reference i think. The Emperor chose the name of the Last book of the Christian Bible to destroy the Last Church as well as convert the last priest. Kinda badass and ass-holish at the same time imo

[@TheChillzoneX]

I know right. You are correct in that, my reference was mostly to the common misconception, which the majority won't even bother looking up as they see the word " Apocalypses" ... And yes even, in the book it self it is stated by apostle John that he wrote it on the Greek island Patmos as he was a fugitive from the persecution of the Jewish leaders.

[@Historyfrek4ever]

Yeah humans seem to have a problem with understanding the whole: Thou shalt not kill etc. when it is convenient or profitable. Hell Christianity had a rule of only defending the faith and not conquering areas and peoples, that were not previously Christians, by sword, then the first crusade happened and that rule went out of the window.

[@mvpuppy5396]

The Isrealites conquered territory all the time in the Bible, particularly the old testament. Though that practice was more commonly referred to by the nicer sounding "delivered unto your hands," when it's referenced directly. This is also the same book in which a guy literally murdered a bunch of people, cut off their foreskins, and basically bought a bride with them.

[@norwegianwiking]

I'm looking forward to Jack learning the tale of Ian Watson and his book.

[@Demigodish4o3]

I'm genuinely thrilled by the podcasts quality and writing, as well as your highly insightful commentary on so many aspects of what was said.

[@CyberSlayer128]

Honestly most of Uriah's arguments fall apart when you know about the War in Heaven.

[@jorgedeanoperez2997]

Most of his arguments are also false, or intentionally vague. You can say what you will about the good aspects of Chaos, but Bloodletters will murder the masses Uriah preaches to, Plaguebearers will still plague, kill and raise-as-undead them, a Lord of Change will turn them into writhing spawns and daemonettes will still destroy their minds with overwhelming sensory bombardment, mostly around pain. A good deed or aspect doesn't wash away the taint of an evil one nor vice versa, but Chaos is 70, 80% pure fucking evil, and there is not enough goodness on it to compensate that

[@kerbe3]

@@jorgedeanoperez2997 That and the idea that the materium needs the immaterium is also wrong. Things you do in the materium have an effect on the immaterium and not the other way around. Also Uriah saying the chaos gods have existed since the first thought, well about that. Life has existed on Earth for billions of years before anything even approaching thought came into being, and that's just Earth. Who knows how long life existed in the universe before thought.

[@jorgedeanoperez2997]

@@kerbe3 the Chaos Gods, as they are, didn't appear until the War in Heaven caused such magnitudes of suffering and negativity that made the energy of it create Nurgle, Khorne and Tzeentch. And before that the Old Ones had been alive long enough to outlive the necessity for physical bodies. So again, most of his arguments were weak for the informed, and as full of deception as the vile lies of the Great Enemy often are. =][=

[@kerbe3]

@@jorgedeanoperez2997 Isn’t it funny how the Chaos gods seem to exist in only the one galaxy? The galaxy is but the tiniest bit of dust compared to the sheer size of the rest of the universe.

[@jorgedeanoperez2997]

@@kerbe3 I assume it is because of space limitations. The beings of the Milky Way project their thoughts into the Immaterium, and while the Immaterium is infinite within its own dimension, is limited to the Milky Way. Has a Chaos fleet ever emerged on Andromeda? As far as I know, their power is limited to where the beings projecting their existence are located, which is the Milky Way, for it was there where the War in Heaven took place. Perhaps other galaxies not eaten by the Nids have their own Immaterium with other gods of different nature. Imagine the Mass Effect galaxy. Considering how tame everyone but the Reapers are, I assume it's far more chill than the Warp

[@InsomniacTC]

Also isnt it a bit crazy that the cannon lore of 40k is so deep that you genuinely can have religious debates whilst entirely relying on the lore and cannon as the backdrop? How many drugs would I have to take to produce a universe that vast?

[@thegloriouswizard5270]

*All of them.*

[@TheHateCorp]

... Or you do what GW did, i.e. hire writers and then THE WRITERS take all the drugs. If there is any doubt, I'd recommend trying to read "Draco" by Ian Watson. Truly inspired by Slaanesh.

[@odst123451]

It isn’t deep at all, it’s just muddled confusion. According to GW everything written, is cannon. That’s a terrible concept when it comes to building a universe.

[@InsomniacTC]

@@odst123451 Not when all of the stories are told from individual retelling of personal accounts which depending on who it is those can be are subject to possible manipulation, corruption or personal bias.

[@odst123451]

@@InsomniacTC That only works for individual stories within a universe, not the universe itself. If you don’t offer solid facts you create confusion which hurts the universe as a whole. Did the Grey Knights butcher SoB or did the sisters give their lives willingly. One crates a grim derp moment and the other actually makes sense. My original statement stands, either set lore in stone and branch from there or fuck your universe.

[@bthsr7113]

This is probably my favorite of the TTS podcasts. May we seem them return one day. Or at least get Big D doing a radio show on the road.

[@tdab3883]

FINALLY, I'M GOING TO LOVE THIS

[@tramico96]

Do note...that when Oriah appears...Dorn screams...LOL

[@theemperorofmankind7706]

Do not forget Children that the throne me is but a bunch of fragment remaining in my body. THUS because i am NOT whole and thus NOT entirely myself, I couldn't win him because the giant genetic handicap he had. IM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE TEMPLAR EPISODE

[@hexfart4562]

You lost hahaha in an argument with a chaos priest hahHHHhHaaaaa cope harder corpse emperor cope harder plz

[@HunterSentinel]

1:30:51 oh my god!.... what if Dante in all his ultra depressed glory is nearly killed in battle....NEARLY KILLED.... and then wakes up in a dreadnaught!!!!!.....HAHAHAHAHA!!!

[@Caercutta30]

Dark.

[@voidcamel5981]

What is really crazy and idk if it was said is that all of this was Tzeentch's fault. If you read about Uriah talking about the lightning stone he talks about how the blind guy who diacovered it saw a face appear in blue fire when the stone was struck and he was able to see again. It does jot sound like he was healed but kore like his eyes....changed. And as we all know the squid's herald and iconogrophy is a blue fire and he changes things from one to another. After all imagine how different everything would have been had Uriah joined the emperor. It is possible he coild have been given life extending enhancements to let him live longer and I personally think had Uriah met Horus he would have essentially adopted him and thenother primarchs and treated them like humans instead of as tools possibly averting the heresy.

[@Kainlarsen]

As critical of religion as I am, I simply can't endorse the Emperor's actions and philosophy. At the end of the day, it did just come down to him simply wanting power without contest. You have to wonder if Chaos became the way it did as a reaction to his attempt to destroy them.

[@brigidtheirish]

I'm pretty much convinced that it *did.*

[@theonewhouploadsnothing1704]

If you flip it around then you’ll be correct. Emps only wants humanity to prosper and if he was such an evil power hungry person, why would he leave humanity to do it’s own thing for so long. He only came out to prevent humanity from being snuffed from existence meanwhile the chaos gods sat around and did nothing. Why did they do nothing? Because they prospered under the suffering. Also the emperor was correct in calling them a tumor, for sentient life had existed far before they did. They had only arrived after the War in Heaven, feeding off of the misery to grow as powerful as they are now. Heck, Chaos Undivided is a fantasy, for when the chaos gods had the emperor stuck to the throne did they sing together in harmony? Nope, immediately started causing suffering to everyone to feed themselves more since their sole reason for teaming up was a threat to their power.

[@undertakernumberone1]

@@brigidtheirish a year late, but I think I've read something about the old religions, at least Christianity and such, syphoning believe away from Chaos and weakening it. So, by destroying them, Big E might very well have caused more believe etc. to flow back to the Dark Brothers.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@undertakernumberone1 Makes sense, and fits with the rest of the Emperor's actions resulting in nearly the opposite of what he supposedly wanted. The more I hear about him, the more I'm convinced the only reason he didn't try taking over earlier is because he *couldn't.*

[@idxjdd]

We really do need our hawk boy back. He is just so amazing.

[@jtfbreedlove]

The next vox-cast is awesome, the one after is pain.

[@Lord_Numpty]

The one after next is enjoyable simply due to how _thoroughly_ they rip the object of critique to shreds. Then set it on fire and piss on the ashes.

[@joseestevezhernandez558]

"Who knows Ian, maybe this my next movie...."

[@crystalalarm3]

In the 40k universe looking at the gods available I would choose atheism too.

[@Mystyx-Sama]

1:46 in all honesty, it sounded like you said "I'm gonna need an extra window here to search for some asses.". Maybe it's just my cultured brain messing with me. Not judging, of course, just found it funny lol :P Very good vid, dude!

[@hallowedbeyourdays]

The most interesting thing to me about 40k is that literally any better option would probably be dead by now. That's the gridlock of the setting. Unlike Halo or Independence Day, where we are a proud and sensible minority race, Or the likes of Mass Effect or Star Trek where we try to make friends with any and all aliens, The Imperium of Man is a technologically stagnant, xenophobic, extremely zealous galactic superpower that seeks to dominate all sectors. And, their rabid hatred and better-to-die-than-return-defeated determination is all that stands between sane, ordinary people and the horrors of the universe.

[@hallowedbeyourdays]

That being said, I am awed at how straightforwardly and easily Emperor answered the Inquisitor's questions. Granted, he's a far better cut of cloth than Imperial Citizens writing letters, but it's still aight to see it happen.

[@hallowedbeyourdays]

One argument I can make for the Emperor is that the Imperial Truth actually has a defined end-point at which its followers can say they're done. Same as it was during the Golden Age of Man - a galaxy at peace. I'm pretty sure the Emperor would be willing to retire back to being a professor of biology and the Immaterium once the rule of the galaxy is in the hands of the competent who are able to keep it that way, to stand the test of time. Chaos wants nothing more than to keep the cosmic slaughter going for their own gain. They can't even kill us, we are their sustenance.

[@hallowedbeyourdays]

Also... I'd like to know how would a man so thoroughly devoted to questioning - testing what is known as fact - and spreading the answers found from the process of self-refinement that all logic suggests the holy way of life would be; continuous self-improvement - would be deceived by a trick of perspective, to think amalgamations of the mental waste of soul-bearing organisms are supposed to be gods.

[@imperialinquisitormordecai9688]

Oh yes!

[@akumakami64]

Fun fact, Mount Ararat is a real mountain. Supposedly the mountain Noah's Ark landed on.

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

Yep, it's in present-day Turkey.

[@mikaelolofsson2852]

Yes. I was waiting for this. It will be some time before I can watch it all though.

[@jonathanhamilton6190]

OH GOD THE DAILY LIFE OF BOI VOX LOG SHOULD BE COMIN UP SOON

[@Caercutta30]

The DAMAGE! This age is going to need a name .

[@lucho9911]

Finally!!

[@alanhouk1427]

God I love the video adaptation of the last church. What did you guys think? Was anything missing in translation, anything cut out?

[@RyujinRoninReach]

YOOO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

[@Dayrahl]

pretty much the emperor wanted an enlightened humanity imagine a society built around the originals buddhas teaching just spiritual, devoid of the challenges, the 4 truths.

[@Teixas666]

if the emperor had his way fully, humanity would be a race comprised entirely of being much like himself and in full control of the galaxy: aka He wanted humanity ot achieve what the Old Ones did.

[@nullneptune9253]

I thought the thunder warriors were designed to slowly die and become berserkers only to be used to quickly conquer terra. And that what I thought when the emperor killed almost all of them in the mountain and gave the cover story they died in battle to be remembered. And the astartes were made during the end of the Terran unification wars.

[@corneliusbarry9293]

2 hours of fun, see you next time :)

[@cookware9796]

Comment for the algorithm.

[@newbaggett]

Well, he had to deal with everyone's fuck up and the fact that they're waring against each other under his name, all the while (If you've forgotten), holding back several warp storms while being a semi-corpse. He's likely not happy with everyone not doing shit to clean up this mess while he is unable to.

[@zuser]

What website are you refering to at: 58:41? :o

[@GreatGreenGoo]

The voice actor of Uriah was amazing

[@bthsr7113]

Honestly, I feel like Big e going to the last church for a debate only to torch the place was the equivalent of tea bagging a downed enemy whose squad you just finished brutally (even for a game) wiping out, before making a show of finishing the round. It's quite personal, and disrespectful, Even sadistic.

[@shenren4621]

the emperor can he not say that the gods of chaos did not exist before? I mean we know he was not present during the heavenly war

[@kanenightroad4205]

please react to the TTS Behemoth episodes too

[@Iamtruerevelation]

What is the history of Germany in this universe and yes i German Deutsch PS thanks for answering

[@jendreg1935]

Crusades are justified, fight me on that.

[@mvpuppy5396]

I've been in Uriah's position in that argument, only in reverse. I grew up in a religious household and community, and after a ton of research and reflection I found no reason to follow a religion or to believe in a god or gods. This resulted in basically my being treated like a Chaos worshipper by my peers, and having to sit through more than a few one-sided lectures on the subject. My sister-in-law even held an intervention once. We don't talk anymore.

[@FoxHound-ut1hu]

Why should people care? Because the Space Wolves beat the shit out of Angron and his invaders so soundly that the majority of the planet had absolutely no idea that chaos had invaded. They just thought it was Orks.

[@jamesperkins2552]

You should title this “the emperor gets molested”

[@Teixas666]

"URSH"...im convinced this is just a mangled way of referring to what was the USSR.

[@renegado8588]

I'm commenting with the video paused when you said the thunder warriors... Some will say well they were not space conquering material not stable enough, not the right tool they needed to go ... Fuck that. He could send them to die in glorious battle in any part of the solar system, they died an ugly death at the hands of a backstabbing dick move with no purpose except to show that the emperor is an asshole...

[@DeHerg]

Yes, so much yes. He could've just thrown them at his enemies during the solar reclamation and not make new ones and would have gotten rid of them all the same. That entire backstap is just a lazy literary device to give the primarchs an excuse to be overly suspicious of the emperor (same with lorgars puishment).

[@InsomniacTC]

In my studies the which could admittedly still be improved the ultimate failure in every religion we know in the modern world is that they became organized even tho for example the Bible never called for the creation of a Church or Papacy or anything. As far as I have been able to understand it all of them were in some way shape and form initially created sort of akin to individual meditation which we know as prayer. But as with anything that starts out with good intent initially over time they are distorted by the people who instead of practicing these individual and deeply personal rituals notice that a whole bunch of people are doing it and so they decide to create small communities which then inevitably turn into political institutions which always always subvert the actual values initially proposed in these texts and are instead enforced by the upper echelons of these communities and yet what each and every single one of them then make the ultimate human folly of "Rules for the but not for me". This applies to any fully organized faith. Christianity, Orthodoxy, Islam, etc. And not only the true core values of all of these religions is subverted but the very things that are meant to give you a sense of personal piece even for a moment in a very cruel world are instead used as chains to extract from you. Inevitably whatever truly gives people regardless of background a sense of peace and genuine happiness will be politicized thus turning these things into the very chains that bind you. Whilst those binding you in said chains dont even bother following these rituals themselves. Science is nothing but the newest one. I think the lockdowns taught us all about that. Never mind the inconsistent flipflopping. What's grinds my gears is the audacity to after a sea of massive fuckups (some of which didn't even make sense on the outset to even suggest) come back again and say "Oh this time we know" only to literally a day or two later contradict yourself and fuck up again

[@Bilskirnir3124]

This is always the problem with too much transparency in science. Science is not a body of facts or a ritual or a bedrock. Science is a process. It is a method used to arrive at mathematically and demonstrably provable information and law. Science can best be summarized by the phrase, "fuck around and find out." The problem of the last two years being people aren't used to seeing how much fucking around is needed before we find out. It can take decades to refine a hypothesis into a law or a theory (whichever is applicable to the topic at hand). Honestly I commend the people working on the current problem for the efficacy of their work. It's been fast and accurate compared to similar cases. Now, I will agree, some people do form a quasi-religion around science from some misguided belief that science will find some universal truth, but that isn't the function of science. Science is empirical and quantified. A universal truth would be unobservable and unquantifiable. It would therefore fall outside the realm of science and into the realm of philosophy where it belongs.

[@InsomniacTC]

@@DeHerg The you have totally missed the point I was trying to make in the first place. Whether its religion or science it doesn't matter. My core point is that all of these methods over time become distorted when within either religious groups or scientific communities someone comes along and realises that these give them political or social clout and power and then the clout and power takes precedence over the actual methods and virtues that these methods teach. And as more and more people do so the peoples belief in them starts to decrease until a point is reached where people can outright see the bullshit which then in turn destroys any faith the people have in these systems. And I dont know where you got the idea that I said religion was formed through meditation. I never said that. What I said was the core teaching like per say fasting, prayer etc are essentially forms of meditation simply given a different name. Religions were formed when large groups of people in their time experienced something that for their understanding at the time made no sense and yet they felt the power and virtue of it and could all agree that whatever it was was crazy truly good. Where science can quickly lose a lot of people is when political scientists publically state "Alright we got it right this time" only to change it within a week and on and on and on whilst STILL constantly publically saying "we got it right this time". The issue isnt with the teachings or the methods. It's with people who will use them not for per say the scientific pursuit of truth but when they use these methods as a way of gaining power and influence and lording it over people like some superior authority. The people lose faith when the method or ritual become a show rather than the pursuit of truth or virtue. And my core point was that all things will inevitably reach a point where people have no faith in you or believe you if all you do is put on a show that the people can see the backstage of where all of the "wise" and "pious" men are fucking kids, stoning women, turning men to slaves and justifying it as their lot in life or saying anything publically just so an investigation isnt launched to find that not only do you not know what you are talking about in the slightest but also that you say helped fund the creation of the modern version of the black death. Science is different because you can deny the METHOD to be true. But the results of said method being told to you can be distorted like any other religion.

[@InsomniacTC]

@@DeHerg In short my point is that no matter how virtuous or accurate a method or system might be never underestimate the power of how greedy and self-serving people can be. And both religion in the past and science to day hold a weight of societal power.

[@bitemyshinymetalass7393]

this hurts.. so much. fuck gw

[@EC23331]

I summon you

[@Da_Shark]

My favorite part is that where he placed his face in this part is wrong He should be on the very bottom That would make him "correct" as dorn says

[@dernordwind8728]

Fuck yes

[@WingManFang1]

You talked about the Christian view of creation being about the first man and woman and that is wrong, the first Man and Woman was the end of creation not the beginning, there were Billions of years passed in the 6 days God created everything, and I’d wager it’s due to the fact his time is infinitely longer than ours in almost every way, quite literally entire species have been born lived for centuries or millennia in the time a single day for God would have passed. We can’t compare our time to his so the arguments both for and against that thought process of the Christian view of creation is wrong.

[@LethalByChoice]

You forget that in Christianity with Adam and Eve they were never meant to be taken literally, they were meant to be symbolic. If Christianity does indeed believe Adam and Eve were the first humans and created the human race, then that is objectively wrong.

[@FuSiionCraft]

Apocalypse isn't necesarilly "apocalyptic events" Well, now it is, but it also means "beginning of the end" or simply "the end" Before saying "when in reality it isn't" like you did, just, you know, trust how the 2 languages that are the closest to the original (Italian and French) call things. There is an *ENORMOUS* ammount of words English borrowed from those 2 languages that completely changed sense or became the opposite, because why the fuck not. Well, we know why, English is an extremelly poor language, but still...

[@ericjones9487]

thumbs down for horrible sound balance, speech blasting out while video sound whispers.

[@EC23331]

666th like