If Vim Makes You Faster? | Prime Reacts

[@capsey_]

- Has beautiful flowing hair - Birds chirp around him - Has irl background piano - Uses tiling window manager - Tells you to be closer to the nature (vi) - Was able to forkbomb The Vimagen on his own land - Rawdogs video recording using ffmpeg

[@ThePrimeTimeagen]

gotta love everything

[@gagagero]

The truest of gigachads.

[@ficolas2]

- Records a first version naked, then records again with clothes on

[@theodorealenas3171]

- Uses PHP for writing functions that return strings that compose HTML files. I like how everyone pisses on PHP, while I almost forgot I had PHP on screen lol. I don't know how bad you think it is, it's worse. I actually didn't know PHP, I learned a bit along the way because I thought I should use PHP for this project, but then it morphed into something that didn't need PHP at all.

[@ficolas2]

@@theodorealenas3171 hey it's the man himself

[@Alex-xl4xe]

imagine having 7 subscribers and one of them is prime

[@ThePrimeTimeagen]

in before 10

[@theodorealenas3171]

If you all don't like my attitude, you're right. I'm the guy in the video and it's a little late now but I wanted to leave this message anyway. I've screwed up multiple University collaborations because of my attitude. It makes people see me both as an opportunity like someone who will make their mistakes excused more, and also they ghost me a ton. I tried being friendly, I've tried demonstrating ideas and techniques to help out, I've tried setting limits but nothing worked just people kept mistreating me. So eventually I figured out that the problem was that I constantly make people feel uncomfortable by implying they have skill issues. Mind you, I wish someone told me that. Did I have to puzzle it myself? Thank you all for your support and for being patient and polite. I come and rewatch this reaction video periodically because it's fantastic. I just wish I could go back in time a little.

[@nickmills8476]

I liked what you had to say. I certainly learnt something new about my favorite editor and I felt some visionary nourishment that hopefully will give me more weapons to slay the dragon. Nice job.

[@theodorealenas3171]

This was quite something! I really apreciate the way you watch videos, I have to say you inspire me to watch videos whole, and think first about what I agree with in the video instead of trying to disagree. A few fun facts for anyone interested: - the box art is a screenshot from part of the screen, where I placed a media player with an image in it over the web browser on google images - my face is mpv getting /dev/video0 with a bit more complexity to it, the sound is delayed a little to match the delay of the webcam in mpv - my shortcut to telescope's fuzzy files is space e, as in edit - I thought the video focused on how speed is secondary, but it turns out I barely talked about speed at all - I didn't expect PHP to get focus. Nor my hair nor the word engineer nor dont-be-like-button, by the way isn't the chat hilarious? - I expected Prime to disagree a lot more Okay, so here's what's going on with the code. I haven't made any products with software yet, and I haven't made any web apps before. I heard PHP makes sense if you don't have client side rendering, so I started using it in it's old school intended way where the php files are like html files with php snippets. But as I went on, I started using functions that return strings more, and files that look like html less, until I got exclusively functions that return strings and compose html. I'm not too sure about any of this. Regarding CSS, I wanted to be able to have an element in phone screen mode next to a clone of it that is in desktop screen mode, but I also wanted to be able to use media queries. If you want to take a look at the website, then I beg God for help, and it's www.theodoros-d-alenas.site/en Also I have to say that I actually wanted to advertise myself and that's why I showed my own video to Prime. I was impatient to get people to view my videos, but also I didn't know where to find Primeagen-like people. I'm glad it turned out well for everyone because it's easy to waste people's time by accident when you try to get something on the internet. And thanks everyone for being so nice!

[@badreddineboukheit9791]

PHP makes sense in practice, it allows you to server-side render out of the box, and the routing is just the file structure, so yeah, it's the best 1st language for getting to know the web and making a functional app.

[@brickmastertube]

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[@theodorealenas3171]

@@badreddineboukheit9791 I got to be stupid, I've used PHP twice and I didn't use it this way either time. Both times something convinced me to separate the file structure from the routes along the way, but now that I think about it, I could have just used PHP snippets to avoid writing the same top part for all files. In this project I have the site in 2 languages, and I wanted each paragraph to have both language versions in the same file. So yeah, PHP's ideals fell apart.

[@TheBiggE.]

PHP is a good choice. People like to joke about PHP because it is fun, like people joke about Python being slow, but truly PHP is fine, and has done much maturation as a language. Hear of Laravel. We have many enterprise applications written in Laravel, and is an enjoyable framework to work in. Thanks for the great video.

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

Wait peopel do this? They disagree with a video and say "blaaaah" and turn it off? Oh my god, that explains so much...

[@jayshartzer844]

I know how to quit Vim, btw

[@tokiomutex4148]

Like Bram?

[@HolgerNestmann]

you are a good person

[@jayshartzer844]

@@HolgerNestmann the best but I try not to brag about it

[@blazehawkins2759]

I use Arch, btw

[@jayshartzer844]

@@blazehawkins2759 I abdicate my position as best to you and settle for second best

[@k98killer]

Phone glitched out literally as the video ended and caused my Discord app to send an autoreply agreeing to something when I tried hitting the like button. This dude is right: fucking machines need to be told what to do and stop telling us what to do.

[@ThePrimeTimeagen]

agreed

[@ErnestoConfused]

“Should you try vim? Screw that! You should try to be a good person, which will lead you to vim.” Is this enlightenment?

[@ficolas2]

Adrenaline driven development (ADD) And Attention deficit disorder (ADD) Are definitely not the same thing

[@gestaltengine6369]

That's what they want you to think!

[@slice6298]

Scrum vs Scrum master

[@zeocamo]

i think sometimes all devs. need some of what ever this guy is on.

[@ThePrimeTimeagen]

agreed

[@claudiusraphael9423]

"Should you try Vim?"... "You should try to be a good person". Giga-Bruh-Moment successfully applied. Props to the hair, Renegade.

[@lukaszmatuszewski]

I think that the root of a lot of abominations among (neo)vim or whatever users is not to bother understanding its core functions and philosophy, but trying to attach some particular thing they think they need. It's a counterexample of Kenneth Burke's Parlor Metaphor - if you are willing to join a conversation, you listen first to get to know what it is about, what are issues and arguments, not cut in to say anything just for the sake of expressing random opinions and signalling things.

[@WinterAyars]

"We think we have to go fast so we don't mature": I think that's the core thing this guy is trying to convey. It's an important message IMO. That and the fact that people don't REALLY know how to use vi and there's a lot of power in base vi. I imagine this guy is more eloquent in his native language.

[@fuzzy-02]

Confirmed. That man got 256 marriage proposals after the video.

[@ThePrimeTimeagen]

chad

[@theodorealenas3171]

It's scary.

[@savantshuia]

You know just when I though I was getting kinda decent at vim, you and this guy show up and I'm like "this is so fun, I have so much more to learn" good stuff magnificent haired handsome man

[@Simon-vy8fe]

he is a renaissance man

[@keyboard_g]

Doing things the hard way to show the computer that you rule it.... for the people.

[@oakley6889]

This guy seems like vim jesus, made me re-evaluate my life choices

[@BigEyesLuigi1]

i use vim btw

[@Caboose2563]

I'm a notepad Chad 😤

[@101kawsar]

I code in my phone btw

[@matiasbpg]

15:02 Executing find is the same as with jq. You just missed the sh

[@glauco_rocha]

Erik Naggum, a legendary lisp programmer and flame warrior of the old Usenet days, had the temperament in the vicinity of this guy's and, yes: he was a fanatical EMACS hacker. What we do with nvim in lua today, Naggum did in emacs using lisp in the fuggin' 80s. Mad respect for dudes like this.

[@Tom11w]

I've only used vim for 4 years now, And only now I am seeing that it's a cult. 🤣

[@beastOfVengeance]

"I tried to be a good person and it took me to vim." -- Jesus

[@MichelAthie]

Prime is a profound connoisseur of the Portuguese language.

[@ANONAAAAAAAAA]

Vim doesn't necessary make you faster, but the key bindings do. I'm now using vscode with vim key bindings and I'm pretty happy with them.

[@jordixboy]

For me vim did me faster, cause I type way more with with, and more type makes me faster, its like a vicious cycle. More typing -> faster -> faster -> more Typing and so on

[@manaspatil3996]

I joined the Vim (Nvim) cult on Prime's and TJ's bidding and I am happy to be covered in coconut oil - head to toe

[@birdfacemd]

To me it's like how a mechanic will have a project car: Sure, it's not the easiest way to get around, or the fastest, or the most efficient, but with love and care it's become something uniquely their own, and a source of joy in their life just by being what it is to them. It's pretty damn cool to feel that way about the tools I use every day.

[@kurt7020]

Vim -> Neovim -> Helix. So far helix is my fav. It's 90% like vim with only 10% the config effort, and doesn't randomly break on updates. And it's written in Rust - for the meme.

[@laughingvampire7555]

Emacs is not about lisp, is not about extensibility, is just about the mnemotechnical keychords of Ctrl+h for help menu and all of that. Linus Torvalds uses or used micro emacs which isn't configurable, has no lisp. The first version of emacs ever in history was a configuration package for a text editor called TECO which is similar to ed, a one line editor, for the old teletypewriters. Then some company made a stand alone text editor with the emacs behavior, this company sue Stallman for GNU/Emacs, but It was Java's Gosling who made the first emacs with a lisp and then Stallman made GNU Emacs with its own Lisp but took the idea from Gosling of using Lisp, also because Stallman was working on the birthplace of Lisp, the MIT AI lab. Stallman also took design elements from text editors in old Lisp Systems.

[@GiovanniCKC]

14:14 he was piping the line as input to `sh` specifically. you can do other stuff though, like piping it to python or node or better yet, awk and perl. That's where it starts to really make sense in my opinion lol. like for example I could have a file with a math expression like ``` the result of (6 + 12 * 300) / 2 is: ``` and I want to get the result, instead of popping over to a calculator and having to slowly type it in all over again, read the result, and then slowly copy that back to my vim buffer, i can just do a quick `0f(y2f2jp!!bc` to pipe the expression through `bc` instead, and I'm done. very nice. 👍

[@theodorealenas3171]

Oh yes. I'd write Here's the formula and the result: python -c 'print( 15 + 60 * 300 )' And then go yyp!!sh whenever I want. I've made a binding for this.

[@theodorealenas3171]

Actually, echo $(( 6 + 12 * 300 ))

[@GiovanniCKC]

@@theodorealenas3171 i used bc not sh is why it's just the expression 👍 I'm piping it through a different program besides `sh` was my point there. So you could do like nodejs instead with `!!node` or python with `!!python`. edit oh wait lol I see. the comments showed up backwards in my notifications XD

[@GiovanniCKC]

@@theodorealenas3171 oh, that's a good idea! i should make a binding for piping to programs!

[@edhelatar]

It's not only PHP ( not a problem in itself ), it's Wordpress ( which is )

[@theodorealenas3171]

Does it look like WordPress?

[@edhelatar]

@@theodorealenas3171 I mean, the code he had was wordpress.

[@theodorealenas3171]

​​@@edhelatarIt's a bit late but that's me and that's not WordPress. I guess this is what WordPress looks like, then...

[@Gahlfe123]

this feels like a glitch in the matrix

[@grezisekr5403]

talk to me about your greater experience, while you both start with "where am i" 8:00, 8:45

[@ale-lp]

in my mind you have long beautiful hair hidden away by that hoodie

[@AScribblingTurtle]

The fact, that TMUX + (Neo)Vim integrates so well with the rest of the OS thanks to tricks like this, is what I love about it. NeoVim is still just the editor. But everything around it becomes part of the IDE. I'm not the fastest Typer, but thanks to all the available shell commands and some prepared bash scripts I can mitigate that. Most other IDEs do the opposite. You get one lousy terminal window somewhere and it can't even interact with the rest of the editor (beyond maybe opening the terminal in the current project folder). Terminals like the one in VSCode or PHPStorm almost feel like an afterthought to keep the nerds happy, rather than a tool to be used.

[@aaronhenry5376]

Both Prime and the speaker "Where am I?" lol

[@josipX]

rawdogging ffmpeg like Luke Smith but the difference is it actually works

[@theodorealenas3171]

He's my idol. I copy him 1-1

[@StarOnCheek]

17:17 Maybe your hair would have been nicer than his if it was blue 💙 Edit: you addressed it

[@demolazer]

I've done a lot of adrenaline driven development 😂

[@ThePrimeTimeagen]

its a great way to live

[@Necessarius]

But why?

[@adibhanna]

my wife said yes to marrying me after she saw my Neovim configs.

[@thestopper5165]

You really should only ever show a woman your *set-lua* - only show her your *remap-lua* when you really _know_ she's a keeper. The whole joke falls flat because I've had to put dashes instead of periods in the filenames - because otherwise KZbin will assume that they're external links - and YT's Quora-tier coders don't like people clicking to sites outside their 7/11. Quora-tier reddiitcoders explains why you can't use their fake-Markdown inside brackets or immediately before the end of a sentence. (If you think that KZbin's comment system is bad, you should see Substack's: it's the Windows Phone of comment systems)

[@elcoco8]

OMG I never though of piping the output of a program to the clipboard. A new life starts today.

[@sgtchains]

I once had a job interview; Interviewer; what editor do you use? Me: Vim, real sysadmins don't use pico. Interviewer: We were wondering more about vim versus emacs. Me: Real humans, ya know with only ten fingers, don't use emacs.

[@SatoshiCommentorto]

POV prime started his whole channel just to show us he uses vim

[@filipebraganca2558]

Laughing in Brazilian kkkkkk I had to repeat this part to get the joke 🤣

[@IAmOxidised7525]

Me: Unsubscribes ThePrimeagean Subscribes Beautiful hair chad

[@delofon]

6:31 is that choccy milk?! instant terachad

[@headlights-go-up]

This was a fever dream lmao

[@beastOfVengeance]

Knowing vim motions makes you faster than not knowing it, but it is nothing compared to the speed you can have with vim motions + touch typing. It is only then you can try to write code at the speed of thought.

[@zokalyx]

This. I wish someone had screamed at me to learn touch typing before learning vim! It's a must in my opinion.

[@ficolas2]

Honestly if you can't touch type, don't bother with vim lmao. I think that when people recommend vim, the fact that the person knows touch typing is a given. Because what programmer doesn't? At least self taught, doesn't have to be the exact, finger for key way

[@lainiwakura3741]

It's funny you bring this up because I always forget that there are people who work with computers but cannot touch type.

[@zokalyx]

Being completely self-taught, typing is something nobody ever told me to learn. So I kinda learned my own way, which was actually super inefficient.

[@jessejayphotography]

I'm not fast or great on the keyboard but vim Leap and vim change command combos can get you fast enough.

[@ernststravoblofeld]

Is this guy going to put on mirrored glasses and offer us funny colored pills?

[@FunkyELF]

ouch, that `find *` killed me a little. Why on earth would you use an asterisk to glob everything in that directory.

[@TrebleWing]

VIM doesn't make you look cool.... but You make vim look cool.

[@monadic_monastic69]

This man has such beautiful hair that you almost forked bombed yourself.

[@valentinrafael9201]

Because we think we have to go fast, we don't mature. God bless him

[@stewartli5395]

!!sh. I learn that from another tips/tricks video a couple of days ago. neat.

[@haxguy0]

Apparently I need to learn VIM better lol. You showing me I don't know enough

[@theodorealenas3171]

I mean, you can do that thing. Then you pipe lines into programs like tr. How much is enough though? I don't know about you but I just stopped caring if I know enough, and I think I still learn things at the same pace as when I cared about whether I learned enough or not.

[@minimumt3n204]

Non-vim users: 24:59

[@justine_chang39]

this was beautiful

[@glauco_rocha]

He is like the european terry davis of sorts

[@explosionspin3422]

best comment

[@johnmcway6120]

Classic vi user. One doctor appointment away from a mental institution.

[@pastelstudy4268]

Not gonna lie, the thing about learning and loving your environment was what motivated me to get through the first year of cs. Though it lasted only for a year, it had a great impact.

[@eliaperli2485]

Soundtrack: Bach WTC I fugue No. 6

[@barbaneigro]

Faster for what? Elon got them boys stirred up.

[@kirillfedtsov]

1

[@jwcodendaal]

I dont get why you would use vim. Seems overly complicated, like you using something from the 80's Pretty sure most of that can be done in vscode with a better ui, navigation.

[@theodorealenas3171]

Complicated: yes 80s: yes, 70s specifically VSCode has power: yes Did you think field guys call mechanics when their machines break? No. They know how to fix them, and the vehicles remind of Vi more than VSCode in appearance.

[@johnmcway6120]

Imagine this guy on every standup meeting. -what I did today? Well....(20mins incoherent rant) -yes, Theo, we got it, thanks. But please put on your pants next time.

[@OrcsBR]

The Hanson dude went from musician to coder

[@timkarsten8610]

Meta-Forkbomb!! Jesus got you

[@allancomar]

the find. he use a sh comand to execute find . -f ;) so he got the out of it.

[@apina2]

If Vim Makes You Faster?

[@VudrokWolf]

I am going back to VI hell yes!!

[@franzseeds]

And now Theodore turned himself to EMACS, the best editor ever made by humans.

[@thingsiplay]

Is this guy Tom?

[@sub-harmonik]

I've heard emacs crashes a lot, and lisp compilers/interpreters aren't really that fast computationally. I'll consider emacs when that's the case. (and I will give it vim bindings anyways)

[@glowingone1774]

Elisp is slow, but lisp isnt "slow" infact python isnt even in the same league compared to common lisp emacs also crashes alot when you have a buggy init file...

[@theodorealenas3171]

I actually did give Emacs a shot. What's fascinating about it is that all key bindings have zero-argument functions behind them. The functions call other functions, and that doesn't go many layers deep before you get to C compiled functions if I said that correctly. If you add a lot of plugins then I guess you'll get a thicker layer of Lisp. I loved Emacs for the time I used it. It changed the way I think about interfaces. Not that I knew anything about interfaces but I want everything to be like Emacs on the inside now.

[@jordixboy]

Jesus dont like vim sad day

[@mzerone-g6m]

Hey prime doing job on haskell will not buy you a lambo you need to be php dev if you want lambo, ask tom about this

[@kubre]

Time I used nvim and got into unix philosophy a lot when I was working with RAW PHP

[@casiowatch125]

Reminds me of "unix is my ide"

[@totally_not_a_troll]

It's like watching an all or nothing, life or death fight between two virgins.

[@Snoox187]

you got me with „his coding php“ 🎉

[@Lucy_chan]

Old man yells to vim

[@trev-dev]

!! (bang bang) buddy

[@mbwilding]

Theovim

[@Deemo_codes]

Prime asking "why doesn't he use Vi" reminds me of the stack overflow post "you don't grok vin because you don't grok vi". I think he's talking about understanding the base tool before going for the flashy stuff. Like yeah you can use neovim and have treesitter and code completion and all that stuff, but if you don't grok vi you're going to have to rely on plugins in places where that functionality already exists in the editor. I dno my 2c

[@theodorealenas3171]

Yes, if you only have one undo then you use more registers and put text in them before deleting it. Also if you want text manipulation then you make a program that does it and use the exclamation thing. Vi isn't as bad as it first looks. I should make a dedicated video one day.

[@ShadoFXPerino]

I'm fully opposed to this viewpoint. Infantilizing users and casting devs into heroes is not sustainable. Everyone must gain the power to be their own heroes, otherwise the only fate left for all of us is to be drowned out by the legions of users who have been subjugated by the machines. I never clone the repo, that is only a distraction from what really matters. I never open an editor. Just go straight into the github repository and press period, and get to work.

[@theodorealenas3171]

You use the web browser of the book of webpages as a virtual machine with a code editor?

[@yrpsa]

EMACS.

[@tylerarrigoni7700]

I'm fucking dying... this was madness! haha

[@donf2944]

MFers don't even recognize Tom when he shows up

[@hkfrog2896]

the word Theo means God, think about it.

[@WO_WO_WO_WO]

You are correct sir. Kkkk is how Brazilians laugh on the interwebs

[@TECHN01200]

Gigachad music eternally plays silently behind this man.

[@baguettedad]

I'm cool because I use Gentoo with dwm and vim as my only editor

[@rileydavidjesus]

I use VI instead of Vim also Nano

[@bartek...]

No more jokes about PHP, 🤞

[@Fernando-ry5qt]

I am grugging all over this video, I am way too dumb for this...

[@theodorealenas3171]

I mean if you know web dev at least a little then you produce more value than me already. I do make people scared though, sometimes. Isn't it fun to scare someone annoying using Vim?

[@ordinarygg]

Imagine time to onboard a new developer in your team xD

[@rickdg]

Theodore “Let him cook” Alenas 😂

[@theodorealenas3171]

What's the "let him cook" reference? Everyone in the live chat seemed to say something about cooking, I'm confused. Is it because I have hair like a woman that cooks? That can't be it is it

[@notusingmyrealnamegoogle6232]

@@theodorealenas3171it’s just a meme referencing breaking bad. “Cooking”=making something high quality and so good it’s illegal.

[@thestopper5165]

@@theodorealenas3171 no, it's a Breaking Bad/Heisenberg reference that exhorts people to *wait until the 'product' is finished before assessing it* . It's relevant because most of the screen-junkies are "dot-point" oriented - so they can't understand that a key point might be further explained another 2 sentences away. Bear in mind: a lot of these people are Americans - so not only are they the dumbest white people on the planet, they get examined using 'multiple choice' all the way through school. So they think that all answers take the form of single sentences, and that 'zingers' are the same as 'culture'. You're going to get a lot of new subs shortly. _No pressure_ *kek* . I use Arch btw. (and dwm, st and neovim lol)

[@justine_chang39]

Theo Von has good hair too

[@theodorealenas3171]

A poet approached me once, he's known for improvising poems based off your name. He told me "and how're you called, pretty boy?" and I tell him "Theodore". "Aaah..." and I waited for the poem... "All theodores are sh--heads"

Emacs Evil-Mode master race

[@cubbucca]

The switch to neovim, has been worth it but my output came too a halt for a few weeks.

[@noisetide]

The best video I've seen in a while...