If Xbox Does This, The New Xbox Will Dominate

[@DestinL]

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[@davemangamer7365]

Calm down Dustin calm down don’t get your panties in a bunch wait and then celebrate

[@EasternSPAWN]

I’d just like to say I said this in one of your streams a few months ago so taking credit 😂😂😂for

[@wolfgangvonhertzen9820]

This will not happen. Business model wont support MS here.

[@vader11373]

Steam the next acquisition I reckon

[@adrianojv409]

​@@vader11373😂😂 Valve(owner of Steam)it's not publicly traded 😂😂... It's owned by 1 dude mostly... Your reasoning tells you he was never approached by Apple/Google/Amazon/Microsoft? 😂😂😂

[@mrdeadlybootz5414]

I swear to God if the next Xbox includes access to Steam I'll actually buy that shit day one happy as a clam.

[@igcreates2760]

There is no benefit for Steam considering they are pushing their own hardware, besides steam announced days ago their plans to expand the Steam ecosystem to the other handhelds.

[@yukongoldy]

That would be stupid to by an Xbox, just buy or build a PC instead that can handle all games.

[@Ryanlexz]

What the point of Xbox then?? All of their games are pretty much on steam 😂

[@dnzrdm]

Just buy a pc, make steam big screen launch at startup and slap an Xbox sticker on the box if you really want to. Done. This is such a stupid concept.

[@mrdeadlybootz5414]

@@PrimoRocker and it's already a thing I own....

[@casongriffin6984]

Bro it still feels like this Gen hasn't even kicked off

[@SWOTHDRA]

It hasnt, it will kick off with GTA6, next year

[@TheGoreforce]

@@SWOTHDRA no, GTA 6 is pointless. I never understood the desire, especially the console version. GTA 5 has the worst 3rd person controls in the industry. and was dated at release. The world is pretty much the only thing going for it, however because of the god aweful game design and dated controls. (worse than it's contemporaries.) I will never understand what makes it a "good" game. It will not sell consoles.

[@ViridianFlow]

Perhaps for PlayStation seeing as almost all of their games run on PS4, but that's a lack of software issue. The progress of hardware has still been marching on in the background.

[@jhnyjoejoe69]

It has. I had SX day one. Felt like it kicked a year in. The differences were noticeable right away on my 4k tv.

[@Shannon-ul5re]

You can thank Covid for that, it really stuffed up game dev time.. hardware how ever doesn’t stop.

[@Valorian21]

The reason the og Xbox was appealing to me was the fact it had more pc games that came to it. As someone who couldn't keep up with upgrading a pc or wanted to troubleshoot all the time, having a console that just worked hooked me. So if they went more pc design, it would feel more like they went back to their roots.

[@Teja]

It already exists, a steamdeck. Bonus it comes with a dock to connect to TV

[@greenman8]

I love my PC, but it drives me crazy when things get glitchy for no reason. Example: One day recently, my Headphones were turning on my microphone by default, and I had to Troubleshoot the issue. It was a pain. All I wanted to do was listen to music, without having to hear myself breathe! What's worse is the convoluted measures you sometimes have to make to fix the issue. A Plug and Play PC that is like a console, would be a nice addition.

[@t.fernbach602]

Xbox just basically needs to release a custom PC in a console form. A platform where you can access almost any storefront out there. Count me in.

[@DestinL]

Yep I think that’s a smart move

[@benjamincurtis1412]

@DestinL and you dont think SONY would block their games from it? You do know DEATH STRANDING was on PC gamepass and not XBOX in any way shape or form. Right?

[@awsomeboy360]

LMFAOOO. That already exist. A PC.

[@t.fernbach602]

@@awsomeboy360 and what if I don't want to build a PC and want the console experience?

[@TekkLuthor]

I've been saying this for years. They need to make gaming pcs and laptops. Forget console all together

[@chasejackson7248]

If Microsoft did this, if Microsoft did that, that's all I hear everyday yet they do nothing.

[@Donald_Allan]

How come you you never talk about what videogames you are playing or looking forward to? It's almost as if you don't play any videogames and just chase clout instead 🤣

[@chasejackson7248]

@Donald_Allan I got every system, I'm playing hogwarts, steller blade, and far cry 3, after that I will finally get to the new halo.

[@Donald_Allan]

@@chasejackson7248 Now you have finally mentioned ehat videogames you are playing, I hope that you keep this up 🤣 What new games are you looking forward to?

[@chfgn]

How does Microsoft make money with this? Selling consoles *costs* them money. Selling a hundred million consoles is a hundred million *losses* on their balance sheet. They currently make that back on game sales, but if those sales go to Valve instead there’s simply no profit anywhere in the equation.

[@muncc6825]

GamePass, I think this is Microsofts goal, get everyone on GamePass eventually

[@Newsoul9]

They would get a % cut for every sell

[@darkdeath174]

@@Newsoul9 No they wouldn't, Valve won't lower their cut and devs would opt out of selling games on this weird PC if they had to give a 30% cut to valve and a 30% to Xbox.

[@Newsoul9]

@darkdeath174 I'm referring to every game sell that's xbox 1st party IP. Just having the PC store on the next xbox hybrid console

[@darkdeath174]

@@Newsoul9 But most xbox users are in game pass, they wouldn't be selling first party IP. Xbox makes the majority of it's sales from 3rd part or microtransactions. If devs stop doing native Xbox ports because they just go "just buy it from steam", how is Microsoft making any money from digital sales? If they aren't making digital sales, they aren't going to subsidize the "console" and it will be sold at or above cost. So it would be over thousand dollars to buy.

[@Mayham1991]

Can't a steamdeck already do all of this? It has all the Xbox and all PS games they have released on PC and it's not dominating the market. Also if Xbox is bringing over all their games then why would people leave PS?

[@ilyamikhin8178]

to play steam games that are not on console: MMORPGS, quests, strategies, MOBAs, legacy PC games like half-life 2. Maybe mods will also be included

[@paccacio2935]

yes the steamdeck is a portable pc pretty much

[@paccacio2935]

steam on the next xbox would be awesome!!! i hope all of this true

[@TheGoreforce]

it's hard to natively use gamepass.

[@jarde1989]

It’s not dominating because it’s not very powerful I don’t care about running PC games at low settings and 30 fps… But if you gave me a console like PC experience with higher settings and frames for $500-600 I’d jump in

[@TamalesDeRajas]

You forgot one crucial thing Destin, PlayStation would just block their games on Xbox even if Xbox Next has Steam. PlayStation blocks the ability to play their first party games via GeForce now on Xbox.

[@Donald_Allan]

Blocking access to games on steam would also mean blocking access to games people have already purchased on steam. Also I can guarantee that Herman Hulst, Hideaki Nishino, Doug Bowser, Shuntaro Furukuwa, Phil Spencer, Matt Booty, Sarah Bond as well as all the other heads of gaming companies/studios/publishers would laugh at you as you literally don't have a clue as to what you are talking about 🤣​

[@larrymcdaniel1658]

It wouldn’t be blocked. Theyre making a PlayStation pc launcher. Those games will need to launch via that and Sony won’t allow access on an Xbox piece of hardware

[@MasterofLightning]

​@@larrymcdaniel1658that would be the move.

[@Ludoverse]

It's probably easier for Sony to block their games on a would-be Xbox with Steam if that Steam client is made specifically for Xbox OS. If it's a box running full Windows, then maybe Sony can't block their games, though they'll try. Xbox would have to be defined specifically, and behave as a Windows PC in order for Sony not to be able to touch it. So is the supposed future Xbox a console or a PC or can it be both? That's the question.

[@jacoblesperance2115]

People who think this are going to happen are delusional. The Xbox store subsidize the hardware. Putting steam on it means Xbox makes no money. So the handheld is gonna cost $899 And the actual console over 1k. I'm glad you said this is your fantasy Destin, cause that's exactly what this is, lol

[@Gen_X_Gamer_79]

No it doesn't it eliminates the not for xbox excuse. There's more PC games than console gamers it not even close.

[@vaguedreams]

Putting steam on it does not mean XBox makes no money. There are deals that could be made. Don't be so narrowminded. The XBox store and Game Pass can still subsidize the hardware. I agree with you about the pure idiocy being espoused by the content creators that seem to want everyone to pay more for their consoles. Asus charges so much for the RoG because they have to make a profit on it. There is no income after market. It's all about economies of scale.

[@SWOTHDRA]

Also playstation can simply block games being playable due to the psn overlay......

[@Gen_X_Gamer_79]

@@SWOTHDRA I don’t think Sony can block it after the fact. If it’s on Steam it would need to be accessible. Sony would need their own launcher. Sony would be morons to do that.

[@smok3sho587]

Lol wut so why does Nvidia make graphics card then how much money does Nvidia make from steam selling games?

[@carlosoto1115]

Poor Destin always bumping with the same rock 🪨

[@dudeerino2226]

We are watching the current "most powerful console ever" sit on shelves and sell less than half of the competitors. The next "most powerful console ever" will have to shake it up drastically, or it will absolutely suffer the same fate. I'm not really sure Satya and the like would be all in on the loss leader hardware angle though, and the power we're talking about here will be expensive all the way around - especially in a hand held

[@_theduckofdeath_]

OK, but let's not forget Xbox One stifled the Xbox's momentum, and then MS didn't have adequate exclusives ready for launch (1st, 2nd or 3rd party). The next console will need demonstrable power, services, and compelling exclusives at launch. A portable could be attractive, though that raises the incongruous power couple issue again (Series S and X) if the libraries are identical.

[@Teja]

@@_theduckofdeath_it’s called a steamdeck

[@steverl22]

BINGO!! Dude is living in a fantasy world 😅

[@airiksknifereviews9548]

As Nintendo dances in money using a tablet with 2015 tech. Just make unwoke games , but they won't. The new Halo diversity club proves that ain't happening.

[@LoneKnight77]

This is exactly the kind of system I have been dreaming about since the Nintendo and Sega Wars.

[@CarlosFernandez-lg6fw]

It exists, it’s called a pc.

[@Teja]

It already exists, a steamdeck. Bonus it comes with a dock to connect to TV

[@LoneKnight77]

@@CarlosFernandez-lg6fw No doubt, but really if I wanted that much hassle in my life I would have stayed with my PC. No thank you, I'm too old to be trying to keep up with specs every three to six months and too poor to be able to keep shelling out multiple thousands of dollars every couple of years. That why I prefer console, one purchase for around the price of a GPU and a good CPU and I don't have to think about it anymore. I just play games.

[@lildevin16]

Destin I hope the family is doing well man. Also I thought you would continue the trend of just moving the plant in your video and play find the plant in the background

[@DesignedByTaz]

Not going to lie, that’s a sick idea.

[@GooseDaPlaymaker]

‘They can put a 4090 in it’…so you’re saying that Microsoft will make a handheld device that’s as powerful as a 4090?! You have officially lost your damn mind…😅

Xbox "the most powerful console ever" is so sad at this point. No Xbox has ever taken advantage of it's power. They never max out their potential because they move on to the next thing so blindly

@@ChrisL-d4c still doesn't mean hardware is getting used to it's potential. I was really let down by Forza

[@tigizigi]

Just think about the Xbox One X, it was rhe most powerfull console out there between 2016-2020 and still, they couldn't take advantage of that. People don't care about hardware, most customers just want to fun gaming from time to time and that's it. Nintendo is the proof for that.

[@proggz39]

Nothing’s saving Xbox as a brand at this point, aside from releasing great games as a 3rd party

[@DVRKSTXR]

If Xbox can even manage to make great games, which is something that they have historically struggled with for the past decade plus.

[@rjproduction486]

Xbox don't need a hand held device! They need consistent GOTY contender games!!!

[@mrglass7133]

They already have

[@ttt22295]

Phil Spencer: we don't do that here

[@rjproduction486]

@@mrglass7133 Hifi rush is the only GOTY contender xbox recently released BUT for some stupid reason they close the studio behind it and released the game in PS 5!:)

[@TheOLsnaps]

@@mrglass7133lol and what game is that in the GOTY contender? I bet it doesn’t even make the top 5 nomination.

[@siddharthshishulkar8992]

Why would people that instead of an Steamdeck though? Also, regarding playing games from every library. Steamdeck already does that

[@weplayvrgames]

Yeah seems so odd for these fanboys to be begging for a handheld when they already exist 🤷‍♂️ its serious delusional bias it's like if it's not made by Xbox they don't care regardless if it's done better by someone else

[@Vell1981]

Ponies out and about i see damage controlling before anything is announced yet.

[@GamingTalk-cl7xj]

How many steam decks sold? Not as much as you think

[@DestinL]

Why do people buy an ROG Ally instead of a steam deck? Why would people by a iPhone instead of an android?

[@weplayvrgames]

@@DestinL I bought a rog ally and i can tell you now it wasn't because I had access to Microsoft store it was because I had access to epic and gog nothing worth it on Microsoft store that you can't get elsewhere As for iPhone and Android that ones simple they buy iPhone if they gullible sheep following the crowd and aren't concerned with over paying and being screwed over , you buy android if you have some sense

[@saintlugia]

Is dustin coping? The biggest problem is that xbox loses money on hardware. Losing money on hardware, having less software sales, and flatlineing subscription numbers. Why make the situation worse?

[@TheJmann1892]

Sony will block that from happening, they already are blocking certain things with Steamdeck. A large bag of money would have to exchange hands

[@formulacoolade]

what certain things are you speaking of? lol

[@nsxskyline20]

​@@formulacooladeGeForce for example is blocked by Sony from even showing their games on any Xbox API for GeForce Now service

[@Donald_Allan]

It's funny how when someone asks you what certain things they are blocking, you avoid answering the question 🤣

[@Danzavier]

No they won’t. Xbox could always take a penalty and pull COD from PS5 if they wanna pull that shit.

[@richardruiz4463]

Forza on playstation is no yo, Gran Turismo is supposed to if so yo

[@MenTal9R]

Destin, nice to see more people getting on board with this concept (I noticed Alex mentioned it too). I first talked about it in early February, when guesting on a podcast (also posted a Hot Take on X on Feb 9th). I convinced the panel it made sense. I talked about it again in April on my channel. I've been promoting this for a long time, however as I said it's great to see much larger channels than mine starting to talk about it. Everything you're saying is hilarious to me because it sounds like you've listened to what I said way back (right down to the $700 price lol...). If they ditch the walled garden and build an open system that supports full windows with a controller friendly interface it could be a huge win. It changes the conversation from why buy an Xbox to why buy a PlayStation. It also softens the blow of giving all their games to PlayStation, because they're getting all PlayStations games whether Sony wants them to or not. The Xbox name alone will sell 30M units but I also know PC mains that would buy it for their living room if it gives them access to their Steam library. I talk about it a fair bit in one of my videos on KZbin as well, channel info in my X profile.

[@comedicallyinclined5583]

What does Steam get out of putting their stuff on Xbox? I bet Gaben doesn’t want to deal with Microsoft compliance constantly.

[@Mark-mu4pj]

Steam gets paid from Xbox users, anyone buying the games of steam, Steam/PS get paid, more potential users using Steam, it's a win for Steam and PS, both PS and Xbox should have Steam.

[@Arzeefy]

STEAM GET FREE ACCESS ON XBOX (CONSOLE) And Xbox Get Money Through Gamepass (since to acces steam you need gamepass ultimate)

[@GamingTalk-cl7xj]

Can work out a royalty plan

[@Mark-mu4pj]

@@comedicallyinclined5583 Money

[@wolfgangvonhertzen9820]

If system runs Steam Valve still gets all that money this "xbox" would just be hardware to play it on just like PC. MS willnot get anything out of Steam sales.

[@EisOfSpades7]

I will add, I don’t think steam releasing drivers for windows is in any way a sign of anything happening between Xbox and steam. Valve has been slowly working on making it so you can load windows on the deck if someone wants to since launch.

[@rajah316]

Phil Spencer already said they want other game stores on their console. That would be a smart movement foe Xbox

[@neildavid7712]

Thanks for posting this specific part of the long stream @destinL - I was looking for this. Really great insight! More power to you.

[@ksks6802]

Destin still plugging halo infinite where the game is in a dire state. Cheaters in infinite now have access to execute remote code on your PC which clearly violates steams terms of service.

[@vaguedreams]

Ok, if you say so. I don't see many people complaining about the game or the state it's in. Just the opposite actually. So Steam isn't all omnipotent?

[@SWOTHDRA]

Yup

[@ksks6802]

@@vaguedreams google "halo infinite cheating" the first video is mint blitz entitled "out of control". If you dont know who he is, I doubt anyone in the world could convince you A: that I dont have an agenda and B: that destin isn't really a "gamer".

[@vaguedreams]

@@ksks6802 and C. PC gaming right? Everything is out of control, and Crazy, or amazing, and insane... There is a reason they all use those descriptors, even in videos that just so someone sitting on a beach fishing.

[@ksks6802]

​@@vaguedreamshow old are you, 5? Sensational headlines have been a thing since the early 1900s. You're way way over your head trying to contribute to a conversation. Quit now.

[@pnw1932]

I see dominate and xbox in the same sentence and have to chuckle

[@real_Pinoy]

Destin sounds like Xbot Sheeple who is hoping

[@dusermiginte4647]

Why are you here? 💩nies belongs at dreamgrifterguy..

[@SWOTHDRA]

He is, he is hopium and on copium

[@PicklePete69]

Could be worse, could be a playstation fan

[@real_Pinoy]

@@PicklePete69 dreamcastguy that Playstation fan is obsessive

[@revaniz1465]

Thanks for clipping this, i don't have much time for streams

[@davemangamer7365]

So technically, it would be a PC. It wouldn’t be a consul so all them poor guys that play cod won’t be able to turn that cross play off and get rid of the cheaters because their box is technically a PC that would suck.

[@mrbdb5670]

not really, if you play Gamepass games that would be console....If you play Steam,Uplay,Epic,GOG etc that would be PC...literally 2 platforms in one box

[@davemangamer7365]

@@mrbdb5670 how would that work? Would that be even more money?

[@Herringboner]

Nope. Depends on the echosystem you buy the game.

[@mrbdb5670]

@davemangamer7365 the same way it does now, gamepass on a console then their is gamepass on a standalone PC

[@Donald_Allan]

You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about 🤣

[@JSilv3r]

I love the idea and id be all in, but doesnt games have separate right? Like a console license, pc license, handheld license, mobile license etc? If the next xbox is a pc, then how does Xbox give you the console version of the game, and vice versa

[@knightyme21]

Have you considered that's the xbox brand is damaged!? Stagnate subscriptions(with PC included) and poor console sales??? This isn't by coincidence.

[@donman9154]

I'm Never buying a console again - I hope Sony & Xbox finally go bust for good!! Enough of this B.S.!!

[@N_0_I_Z_E]

This would make sense because most of valve games were delisted from Xbox consoles and they have amazing controller Support through steam input

[@itashiu]

how are they going to make money if everyone buys games from another store? or are they going to force buyers to have gamepass or the console won't work?

[@vaguedreams]

Because XBox would cut a deal with the other store. XBox would invest in said other store. XBox hardware, believe it or not, is on a completely different scale than the hardware of said other store.

[@itashiu]

@@vaguedreams I don't see the other stores paying a percentage of their own. sony can update the games so that they don't work on the console or force their stores so that their games can't run. something similar happened with nvidia cloud.

[@vaguedreams]

​@@itashiu If Sony were to stop games from working on different PC gear they would be risking anti-trust investigations at that point as well as giving themselves one hell of a PR nightmare. Cloud is a different matter entirely.

[@Donald_Allan]

​@@itashiu 1. You don't know what your speaking about 🤣 2. Sony won't block games on steam because if they do that it would also mean blocking access to games on steam that people have already purchased.

[@itashiu]

@@Donald_Allan like helldrives 2 in 180 countries

[@rangokfunkazuul8344]

They can block the device you're playing on, you cannot play Destiny 2 on Steam Deck for eg, Bungie is not allowing it

[@SuperM00b]

That's a long standing Linux anti cheat issue, if Microsoft were to do this handheld, it would just be a windows pc and so you will not run into issues with anti cheat.

[@rangokfunkazuul8344]

@@SuperM00b oh okay I did not know that, thanks

[@klaw7050]

Bro is delusional. I'm sorry to ever come across this channel.

[@johndraffin5031]

I had the same idea instead of console controller lab roller lab there.Ithere is also a console lab where you can build out your own specs

[@ItchyButRash]

This is exactly why we always get let down. Creating so much false hype LOL Dustin next week Xbox is dead.

[@z0s_Icebaker]

It's always the next year when Xbox starts dominating again...

[@Pbmarron]

An Xbox that includes all my Xbox and Steam games would blow my mind.

[@jamesrinley]

With all due respect, this is crazy talk brother. Sony would not allow Xbox to make a playstation/PC hybrid, Full Stop.

[@Scarface1602]

and how would Sony stop this? Xbox already runs on a custom windows OS. and there's been talk at Xbox/Microsoft to make this happen.

[@SWOTHDRA]

​@@Scarface1602the psn overlay.......if it detect xbox hardware it can block the game being played

[@smok3sho587]

​@@SWOTHDRAnot if it's on steam clown lol

[@silvafox07]

@@SWOTHDRA 1. not if it's on steam. 2... We can mod it :D hopefully

[@jrcritico77]

E se a Xbox, Microsoft fizer uma opção de subscrição com a nova consola, pagar com prestações? Junto com game pass?! Seria épico... A nova consola estaria em todas as casas...

[@Mojaveknight17]

Xbox needs an awesome portable handheld with great features

[@weplayvrgames]

Not gonna change anything PC handhelds are already a thing , there's no benefit to having one built by Microsoft over other companies 🤷‍♂️

[@Keepitcivil_]

​@@weplayvrgames simplicity is why

[@benjamincurtis1412]

Only to be outsold by Switch 2 and a new PSP if sony ever makes ones

[@Mojaveknight17]

@@weplayvrgames gamepass portable on the Go

[@Keepitcivil_]

@@benjamincurtis1412 we'll see. Sony looks like they're on their way out.

[@jimfin2175]

I reckon it's going to be a dedicated XBOS OS for PC with Steam access or app integrated, MS will release basic / medium / high PC specs, they may well even sell the XBOX PC case, that would be awesome

[@Nyyvv]

You notice again and again that Xbox topics are no longer about your own games but where you can play PS games 😂

[@Teja]

Hahaha so true 😂

[@VitalVampyr]

That's just an interesting footnote in this topic.

[@IMDLEGEND]

Yes, I think having the PC stores and xbox stores on it would consolidate those two markets similar to how Nintendo consolidated the handheld and console market with the Nintendo Switch. Xbox has been hinting at this all along by releasing very pc centric games to the Xbox, along with mouse and keyboard support. What if it was so powerful that it could also just play all previous generations of Xbox natively? I’d also like to see some easier upgrade path instead of having to purchase a whole new console each time.

[@hododod246]

Omg this is hilarious. So Destin you are telling me that Xbox can win if you can play Playstation games :D There is a device you can play Playsation games. That is called Playstation 5. And guess what? You can play Xbox games as well since Microsoft slowly releasing their games to Playstation. And what xbox is gonna gain by allowing Steam? Do you think Valve will give cut to Microsoft? Is game pass sub numbers gonna increase? Why would anyone buy a xbox to play steam games. You can play steam games on PC and Steam Deck.

[@weplayvrgames]

@@hododod246 your speaking sense dude but your saying it to Destin the guy who likes to bend any news to be pro Xbox to pander to a desperate audience looking for any good news despite how obvious that it's just pandering Gotta remember all this channel is, is Destin pandering to desperate fanboys for views.......he's nothing but a horrid little spec of a man a liar in the highest form Ask him to show you his gamer score if he even has one all he does is play destiny on PC

[@MasterofLightning]

You'd buy an Xbox to play everything in a better form factor. How does that not make sense to you?

[@planetofthegames2843]

the regional prices dude and handheld device) In that case PS is done

[@pdraggy]

MS would have to back the Brinks truck up to Valve AND give them a very favorable partnership in this to challenge BOTH their steamdeck and steam with this device.

[@michaelsmith163]

The Surface team is rumored to be building the handheld, well they just built a portable Windows device that runs on ARM chips called the Surface Pro Copilot PC. A portable Windows PC that runs on ARM, runs steam, and other PC stores. Handheld announced at The Games Awards and launched in 25. New console in 26.

[@DestinL]

Very interesting

[@michaelsmith163]

@@DestinL Thanks, bro. I've been trying to tell people Xbox's new strategy is the trinity of software, services, and stores. The HW will always be there to highlight those things. This is the way. Love the show btw

[@jingtroc23]

Yeah, I've been saying what I think ms will do, a cheaper handheld for the casual (maybe be dockable, maybe), and a premium console for the gaming/console or Xbox enthusiast, so the price will be premium. They ain't selling like ps consoles so it's mainly the hardcore Xbox fans mostly picking them up, and hardcore fans for a product would pay for a premium console. And the handheld for the curious and casual, or just wants access to GP. Remember all the BG3 drama over parity and split screen, well this would no longer be an issue as a handheld is more a personal experience, and you wouldn't expect it to be as powerful as a desktop product, so to expect complete parity between games is irrational. So this in turn would avoid the "X console is holding X console back" talk. As for steam, that would be awesome. As a console gamer I still see games on pc I want, like orcs must die 2, I had to play that on my laptop, I enjoyed it but I'd prefer to play it sitting at my console etc.

[@erikouwehand]

Sources?

[@JorgeSilva-wj1sv]

Steam on xbox could work if xbox gets a percentage of the Steam on xbox sales. To access your current steam library, you would have to pay a small access fee for xbox.

[@TheMrlannys]

Wishful thinking. That handheld would be to expensive.

[@PortalAsh80]

DEAD on ARRIVAL as usual no game's as usual & COPYCAT too & no innovation as usual. Endlessly losers Marches on..

[@PortalAsh80]

DEAD on ARRIVAL OVERPRICED GARBAGE as usual. No game's as usual. Endlessly losers or CLOWNS.

[@shawnzilla83]

This is the way. It's basically a xbox ui to bring everything together. Like what Chromecast did for streaming

[@skmassive2714]

A $699 console will struggle to sell 10 million consoles! A $399 handheld will not be that powerful, the only machine that is cheaper than is a switch

[@KingScotto.]

Even XSX is struggling to sell 10 mill lol

[@dusermiginte4647]

​@@KingScotto.500M MAUs making revenue and alot of profit for Xbox.. 10M (according to you) sold consoles makes soooooo fking much more revenue and sooooooo fking ALOT more profit than 9388382983737382829 sold consoles.. guess what.. Releasing 1 first party exclusive in 2 years does that to a shtty runned company..

[@SWOTHDRA]

​@KingScotto. Exactly and the series s is most of the time discounted , I see it for 250 all the time

[@Lionheart1188]

Next gen Xbox/PS will have to be more powerful than a 4090 easily in terms of rasterization performance & ray tracing performance, granted GPU tech launches have slowed a bit, will just have to wait & see what AMD does with it's CPU & GPU division. My bet is it will be multicore GPU's like AMD promised with it's XDNA architecture, who honestly knows though.

[@blaster5800]

What's the point of making people buy games on Steam? Microsoft gets ZERO money from that.

[@Arzeefy]

To acces steam you need gamepass ultimate to unlock steam features.

[@geekedstoner4209]

It's not about the games on steam. It's about having more people in your ecosystem who haven't or won't buy a pc. This would bearing pc games to a console which no console can do right now. Your missing the point!

[@xhenriquefps]

Selling Game Pass. Thats what microsoft wants to sell. I see your point and thinking about it, if this was the plan, opening the platform, maybe they wouldn’t have made those changes to game pass subscription prices.

[@alexanderb759]

If they put steam on Xbox they would work out where they get a percentage of every game sold or played on Xbox

[@StevenSchellens]

I think that's because they will be forced by law in a few years. They (MS) see the storm coming and now surf on the wave in front of the storm to bring 'pro-consumer news' that would otherwise be forced on them in the future. Smart thinking. The writing is on the wall imo.

[@Arc618]

At the very least, this conversation has been so wild lately, I'd argue its entertaining in itself lol. Just on a crazy roller coaster ride until the day the bandage comes all the way off. But I do understand you work in the industry beyond this channel, so salute to you and the IGN team Destin.

[@SKOTxFREE]

I still keep saying why would Xbox want to promote a direct competitor? If you ask me Steam is actually better than Gamepass. Yes I get you get Day 1 drops on Xbox games but with Steam you get even better deals on actually owning the games and Steam has a way bigger selection of games as well. If push came to shove, I’d rather just buy a steamdeck and use Gamepass occasionally. Thats just me but yeah don’t expose your fans to a competitor that might take customers away. That’s why Sony doesn’t let Gamepass on PlayStation

[@WaxDat8800]

Sony and Microsoft are 2 different companies. Having an open platform will skyrocket their brand and the GamePass model and also keep the FTC at bay.

[@Pillowpants187]

Steam and gamepass you wouldn’t make a comparison steam isn’t a subscription. Why would Xbox want to promote a direct competitor? Seriously think about what you are saying. Sea of thieves on PlayStation is making Xbox tons of money. They are promoting you buying from a direct competitor.

[@igcreates2760]

@@WaxDat8800 You guys are actually delusional lol. MS can be as open as they want the FTC or other Commissions isn't going to let one company buy the entire industry. The GP model isn't growing either, the majority of subs are on console, and they are selling less consoles every quarter lol.

[@WaxDat8800]

@@igcreates2760 the only one delusional is you. Do you realize that the Xbox division is worth more than the entirety of Sony? The FTC got smoked and has no foot to stand on. What you gonna do when Take 2 is gobbled up by MS? You were one of the ones wrong about the FTC blocking MS. GamePass no growing😂😂😂😂 Sonys service ce is losing millions of subscribers at every turn. Keep dreaming pal😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gerardcrabb4556]

They could make a modular upgradable X-BOX you can add components to suit your budget and upgrade parts...

[@Sticks_of_Truth]

It's called a steam deck.

[@samuelminazio4810]

its different

[@Sticks_of_Truth]

@@samuelminazio4810 I'm basically saying the handheld would be the equivalent of a steamed deck, especially with Windows. Is Microsoft did their next system I suggested it would be a steam machine. A closed system PC. If Microsoft allowed shared save data with steam there would be no difference at all. Even without windows.

[@sxlx]

@@Sticks_of_Truth It's called a ROG ALLY X.

[@Sticks_of_Truth]

@@sxlx That device as well.

[@AnthonyOlan]

@destin what are you thoughts on black myth being secretive on the ps5 port?

[@hooky17]

Not that many people do I guess, but that would surely completely kill the Microsoft / Xbox store once and for all? Sure you'll have Game Pass. Which will keep people engaged in that ecosystem to an extent. But I'm not sure how having your library so disjointed would actually work out. For an Xbox handheld (and maybe even console) work, it needs an OS that's fit for purpose. With them adding 'Compact Mode' to the Xbox app and Game Bar recently my worry is it's just gonna be 'Windows' again. It just adds so much bloat and sluggishness. All I want is something that can run the Xbox OS which is fine, but allows me to boot to a Desktop mode of windows or Dual Boot SteamOS

[@RyanLBC]

Destin you need to get a windows handheld to experience games like god of war , halo infinite. My OG ally z1 extreme runs those real well

[@Invictus_LD]

A console that has steam is just a PC. The cope of fanboys is out of control… I don’t understand the blind allegiance to one console or the other. That fact that he has a PC that can already do what he’s describing is such a smooth brain way of looking at things… 🙄

[@masterofIich]

So steam gets more users and more software sales from an handheld that might sell 20m units. Nice to have for steam but what will Xbox gain except selling few handhelds

[@27actanonverba]

A $700 console that is setup as a streamlined PC could be fairly powerful. Kinda reminds me of when Steam launched their Alienware Steam Machines, but those did poorly.

[@NewYorkMetalShows]

I think you've got something here, Destin. I really think you do, and it sounds fan-freakin'-tastic!

[@saesang352]

If Steam is on the XBOX, Microsoft can’t loss-lead the console anymore. The only reason the ps5/series consoles can sell for $400-500 is because they are depending on software sales to make up for the hardware loss. If Steam is on xbox, Microsoft will have to charge like $800 - $1000 to make up for Steam eating all their software sales. Yeah this ain’t gonna work like you think lol

[@wolfgangvonhertzen9820]

Fact. I am very happy to see someone actually understanding how gaming industry works. Good for you mare.

[@Zetler]

Exactly. None of this makes sense, nevermind the tech required to make PC games compatible with the console.

[@vaguedreams]

Yes they can. You act like everyone is just going to go straight to Steam. Even if they do, there would be deals MS and Valve could cut and this would be a partnership.

[@SWOTHDRA]

​could.....so valve is gonna help out their competition so that nobody buys the steam deck anymore but buys the xbox deck? 🤡🤡🤡

[@wolfgangvonhertzen9820]

@@vaguedreams Why would Valve make any kind of a deal? They basicly own this market. MS dont have any leverage here.

[@stanleygates3327]

Why can't they do steam with the series x?

I feel like Xbox gamers have lost their mind. Dreaming of playing PlayStation games on a handheld. PlayStation has them already with a better controller

[@Scarface1602]

most xbox gamers have a handheld just for that reason. i know a lot of xbox gamers have a steam deck or Rog Ally.

[@vaguedreams]

XBox gamers are not dreaming of this, in general. A couple of them, in particular, the Pro SteamDeck guys, are jonesing for it, but in general, XBox gamers couldn't give a flip.

[@paccacio2935]

so have steamdeck users lost their minds too?? itd be an xbox/pc, steamdeck can run all the sony games that are on steam,so sony would have to open up their system too,so ps owners could use all the xbox games on ps6,microsoft is forxing sony to do what they dont want

Whatever the case I feel Microsoft resorts to sleezy practices instead of just making quality games. They've had 20 years to figure something out and they've just ended up playing dirty

[@Danzavier]

Sleezy is still gatekeeping your games to force people to buy your console and Sony been doing that for years 🤑🤑. They don’t care about you.

[@Stefantius]

if we can get 60fps at medium/high settings for demanding playstation 4 level games that would absolutely be an instant buy, I'd drop $1,000 CAD on that

[@_SyNiiX_]

Bro you literally get all of that now if you get a pc

[@GamingTalk-cl7xj]

200 million console users every gen. At least half just aren’t PC gamers

[@DestinL]

Yes. And if Xbox can make a console that’s more like a PC and more open, but easy to use like the console peeps like I think it would sell like crazy

[@arianoooamari6949]

@@DestinLwe have that already. It’s called the Steam deck.

[@sweedledeedle395]

Yea for 2000 dollars to run modern games decently 😂, you think Xbox will charge that much for their next Console?

[@ilyamikhin8178]

I think we mean that it firstly xbox and that it can boot up steam games thru a layer or smth vs its a classic windows that can also play games. Also, if MS manufactures it we will get a resonable price and performance. I think max price that console people are willing to pay is 600-700 USD

[@NickEDGE07]

I hope your right Destin. I've been playing on Steam for sometime now and I like the option of cheaper games on steam. One issue I have is returning to Destiny 2 on my xbox. The last time I played was Beyond light. I returned to get the expansions through discounts but I would have to buy all the expansions again to play on my PC through steam (when my wife is playing her games on the xbox). If the handheld xbox allowed me to play my Steam and xbox library, it would make it easier. While you can play some xbox games on your PC through game pass, I would love the option to play my entire xbox library on PC. The handheld or new xbox your referring to, would be a no brainer for consumers.

[@gavh9360]

What a stupid idea, it would just be a cheap steam box with the crappy xbox ecosystem ignored.

[@Chickensea10]

I wish xbox would make an update for homepage customization! Wouldnlove to go back to the xbox 360 lobby even with avatars,etc. Or any hud that was previously made!

[@drgonzo123]

That sounds all well and good, but Xbox always seems to step on a rake and screw it up. Sorry I sound so pessimistic, but Xbox has yet to earn my trust.

[@z0s_Icebaker]

It's always the next year when we'll finally see Xbox dominating the whole industry, 2025 will be just as impressive for Xbox as 2024 is supposed to be, just wait...

[@jimmyjackman]

Xbox is in a perfect position to go in the direction that Destin’s describing. Microsoft has already developed relationships with the various storefronts like Steam, Epic, and GeForce Now. That direction would be an extension of that.

[@philipschadle3460]

You just copying Steam Deck is revolutionary? 🤔

[@weplayvrgames]

@@philipschadle3460 it's Destin he just panders to desperate Xbox fans for views any news from Xbox he will try to twist to be positive for Xbox somehow

[@MrBeefTot187]

Xbox handheld needs to be able to install games natively but also allow cloud and remote play. And it needs a minimum of series s specs nothing less

[@davemangamer7365]

How many old PlayStation games can you play on it? They haven’t ported over very many. To steam.

[@blaster5800]

Horizon, Spiderman, God of War, Uncharted Trilogy, The last of us Part 1, Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, Returnal, Helldivers 2.... Almost every Sony ip Is on PC now.

[@Mark-mu4pj]

Most of the big games are

[@davemangamer7365]

Well, that’s cool. I guess so the Xbox boys can go buy up the PlayStation games and plan not wrong with that. I love all games. I got an Xbox. I got a PlayStation the more the better.

[@sodapop.21]

Wishful thinking Destin. I doubt it will happen. Sony and Microsoft would have to agree to this. That’s just how business works

[@ThomasTheTankEngine22]

Sony doesn't own steam. What's there to agree to?

[@JAGO_Tech]

​@ThomasTheTankEngine22 it comes down to licensing. Unfortunately MS runs into lics hurdles either direction. Xbox game's entitlement (3rd party T&C) are for the "XB OS" & vice versa for PC side on Steam. MS will even have trouble bringing 3rd party XB games to a "Windows handheld" ... this is why not all games are Play Anywhere today. This is still achievable, just significant contract riders involved either route (XB OS or Windows OS). Yea, I'm aware XB OS is technically Frankenstein Windows but it's still distinguishable & walled off.

[@andyackerman7123]

@@JAGO_Techthey would have to pull their games from steam, to stop them from selling on an Xbox with steam

[@greenman8]

Make a plug and play console that would be like a PC. Maybe offer a regular model and a 'PRO' model with better graphics. Although it would be less modular/up-gradable than a regular gaming PC, the user should be able to add and change M.2 NVME/SSDs. also offer, a USB port to support an external drive. I love my custom PCs, but I would also love an, all in one Box, that is Uniform, offering a Dependable system that is built to be stable. Even having my main gaming PC, I wouldn't be opposed to having a 2ND XBOX-PC to serve back up duty. ( As a rule, I try to keep two computers up anyway) It would be nice to have a plug and play system, that is dependable and stable, even if it isn't as fast, powerful or modular as your main Gaming PC. Just make it good enough, for this generation.

[@ahmedseghiri]

Sony have a Contact with steam, it can stop thé New xbox This xbox will have a configuration easy to detect and stop.

[@vaguedreams]

Hmm... Gee, I wonder who else has contacts at Steam. Who at Steam happened to start his Career at Microsoft? Who is very chummy with XBox leadership, at Steam... 🤔

[@SWOTHDRA]

True

[@ahmedseghiri]

@@vaguedreams ITS NOT the PROBLEM; STEAM WORK with sony and dont want to loose her game. Steams dont care xbox, its just to control the new xbox faor confirme the sony game wait on steam. If the new xbox is en Mini PC that mean xbox leave the consol, and sony will help xbox for this this good move

[@vaguedreams]

@@ahmedseghiri What games? Do you think Sony games make a significant amount of Valve's money? Valve couldn't care less about any single publisher but if they did do you think it would be Sony, or Microsoft who is now one of the the LARGEST gaming publisher in the world? The company that brought them Activision back to Steam. The company that brought Blizzard to Steam. The company that owns Bethesda and all their games. You really think Sony would be more important than XBox now?

[@ahmedseghiri]

@@vaguedreams steam buy abk game and xbox with the gamepass is an enemy for steam. If sony say stop this consol steam will accept.

[@alphadeamon208]

If Xbox and PlayStation work together

[@awsomeboy360]

Sony would never allow that. It's honesly that simple.

[@Scarface1602]

Sony won't have a choice though. imagine the class action law suit if if Xbox puts steam on their next console and Sony suddenly pulls all the games from steam.

[@awsomeboy360]

@@Scarface1602 What class lawsuit? It's Sony games. It simply won't happen.

[@SWOTHDRA]

​@@Scarface1602sony wont have to pull anything, the psn overlay will simply detect the hardware and when the hardware is not steamdeck or rog or msi or legion, the game gets blocked from playing

[@garrenseifert790]

​@Scarface1602 it's sonys ip they absolutely have a choice where their games are played.

[@ImViruxx]

@@Scarface1602Why would Sony lose a lawsuit over their own first party IPs on where they go? It’s literally up to no one on where they should go other than Sony themselves. Same goes for Microsoft and Nintendo in terms of their games.

[@Boner_Jamz]

Not just PS and Xbox games but also PC exclusive games as well if it has Steam/Epic access.

[@americanmack30]

They can’t make another POWERFUL CONSOLE nobody is buying an expensive Xbox…most people would just buy a pc

[@jingtroc23]

Personally as a console gamer id rather buy a more powerful Xbox over a pc still, because I like consoles and I like Xbox, and I'm betting the majority of Xbox owners would do the same, hence why they bought an Xbox.

[@americanmack30]

@@jingtroc23 I bought the series X and sold it a year ago & don’t miss it at all…Xbox hardware sales are abysmal anyone that thinks they can sell a 700 dollar Xbox in high numbers is sniffing glue

[@SWOTHDRA]

Exactly this, why would somebody buy this instead of a Rog ally ,or legion go?

[@SWOTHDRA]

​​@@americanmack30exactly, they cant even sell a 280$ xbox series s!

[@smok3sho587]

No most people wouldn't lmfao

[@inigomontoya619]

As a PS5 main. Id love if they made Xbox Great Again. But i got a feeling were going to get a series x switch hybrid. Where the handheld connects to the console. And makes it stronger. It would sell like hot cakes 😉

[@rangokfunkazuul8344]

2:41 come on, Xbox is almost non-existant at this point, what competition are you talking about ?

[@TheBean87]

More people playing Xbox games than the other 2 console platforms but go on.

[@jingtroc23]

Higher player base on Xbox ecosystem, so what you talking about?. Gamepass has now surpassed 35m, so what you talking about. Xbox is at Gamescom ps isn't, so what you talking about. Xbox slayed E3/summer games event, so what you talking about?. Sony keep following xbox's path, so what you talking about?. Sony need to use ms azure, and Minecraft, and cod, so what you talking about?. Without Xbox ps would not have trophies as Sony copied xbox's achievements, so what you talking about. Ms Xbox got so many games ponies at begging for them, so what you talking about. Ps lacking games so ms has to keep them eating by giving them Xbox games, so what you talking about?. Ms Xbox games sell great on ps, so what you talking about. Ponies don't buy games on ps or exclusives, so what you talking about?. Sony messed up and lost money on bungie and now made employees from bungie redundant, so what you talking about?. I could go on but you get it

[@TheBean87]

@@jingtroc23 basically… what they talking about?

[@jingtroc23]

@@TheBean87 😂 yeah

[@majorballs8285]

There are now almost more Xbox exclusives on PlayStation than there are Sony exclusives on PlayStation 😊and that’s great now pony’s can try all of the games Xbox doesn’t have( according to Sony pony’s)😂

[@ryno1745]

This is definitely a possibility! One problem for Steam is that the new xbox handheld, if it's specs are better, and it can play Steam games, that would destroy the steamdeck sales going forward... The only counter would be is they release a steamdeck 2 that has better specs then the xbox handheld but can they afford to release it at a competitive price if xbox continues to sell consoles at a loss to recoup the money in game sales? Interesting discussion though! 👍

[@Skeletoncross]

Xbox won’t dominate shit what don’t you guys get

[@ImViruxx]

We are right now witnessing the most insane Xbot delusion in history. Worse than the Xbox One era

[@Skeletoncross]

@@ImViruxx I’m honestly laughing everytime I see an Xbox video come up

[@weplayvrgames]

@@Skeletoncross agreed the desperation and mind bending logic they try to jump through to make something a pro Xbox story is just hilarious

[@TheBean87]

Man 3 haters in one comment thread talking like they have a clue, on an Xbox video haha gotta love it.

[@dusermiginte4647]

Naaaaw, but they allready are dominating, poor little schnoukums... 😂

[@RonaldoVilakazi]

I think the time gap will allow them to get ahead of the current tech and if they keep the two console approach we could potentially get a series s/x type situation and this time the s variant might be on par with the ps5 pro therefore the series x variant miles ahead so its all long game plus the handheld future W

[@ImViruxx]

Aww it’s so cute to see that so many xbots still have so much faith and hope into future Xbox consoles 🥺

[@bretttheillustrator]

so cute you come here to make a useless post

[@weplayvrgames]

@@ImViruxx well this is destins channel where he built up his audience by pandering to a desperate audience this is where your gonna find em

[@GamingTalk-cl7xj]

Only those that need to touch grass talk about being cute

[@t.fernbach602]

@@ImViruxx what's with you people constantly trying to start some shit? Just let people enjoy what they enjoy, and you do the same. That's how we'd get rid of wars.

[@TheBean87]

@@weplayvrgamesyet you’re always here… projection at its finest haha

[@loitersquadX]

Xbox 0g was a pc console hybrid. The 360 was a console but it was amazing because of exclusives. Now no more exclusives is fine. But what will help sell the console? Steam store would put ps games on xbox.

[@chadlyon4119]

Don't know if someone posted this but emulation also needs to be open and easy on next Xbox. This would really put it over the competition. So many people emulate on Ally and Steamdeck. PCSX2 alone would kill.

[@WashingtonPrime]

Hold on, in this hypothetical scenario would I be able to play VR games from Steam with something like the oculus rift?

[@IlIiliIliIl]

He is advertising a PC right? with a handheld?

[@Zergonzo]

Play anywhere. Consoles are PCs. It is just an OS difference.

[@EisOfSpades7]

So you’re saying it would just be a ROG ally with a custom Xbox interface…

[@jean-alexandrethibault3892]

Basically a dual booting system. Either you run Xbox OS or Steam OS... Lots of work to be done on the Microsoft side to work this seamlessly. But it would be their "blue water" approach. It would work