If you can't afford a Hitbox // Leverless, watch this

[@MrElixer26]

I have the money, I don’t have the time, but I made one anyway. But if you really wanted the cheapest lever less…. Use a keyboard

[@crosscountertv]

You see, this is why you have the money. Smart dude and motivated to learn new stuff! 🧠

[@ZeroKitsunei]

I was just about to say a hitbox is just a keyboard with less buttons.

[@Afrofightah]

all jokes aside, i think keyboard is a good middle ground for hitbox. i use Space, A, S and D keys for movement and U, I, O, P/J, K, L, and ; keys for attack buttons. it’s hella convenient but maybe not the best for widespread tournament play, but i plan to switch to hitbox fully (for fighting games at least). i am a bit worried about tournament legality with the SOCD changes, but i’ll cross that bridge when i get to it lol.

[@ParabolaTool]

How do you change the keys on keyboard? I played keyboard on Tekken and loved it but the default settings for SF6 are awkward. I like using that island of 6 keys with pg up PG down and stuff cuz I never accidentally hit other keys. Also to use spacebar would be great.

[@Afrofightah]

@@ParabolaTool there’s a separate key in the control mapping section ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGa0hmOkq65psKM )

[@ParabolaTool]

@@Afrofightah the menus in SF6 continue to be the absolute worst part of the entire game

[@meshuggah360]

Yeah, I've switched from stick to keyboard for SF6. I'm enjoying it and my execution has been much better 😂

[@crosscountertv]

The best hitbox may be the one you already have? 🤔

[@Dreggy990]

Got a raise two weeks ago and got a snack box micro in celebration. My wife also made me a street fighter 6 art work to out in it. Living in good times right now

[@crosscountertv]

Congrats! What a keeper!

[@DogBone-x6t]

This kinda motivates me to continue practicing my SQL coding skills. This vid isn't just for videogames which is cool

[@crosscountertv]

IT'S A SIGN 🪧

[@neonkaiju]

This feels good to hear: As someone who's trying to get into fighters again after decades, learning how to play with a stick ONTOP of that has been like trying to drive a car while learning how your arms and legs work.

[@crosscountertv]

It's not your imagination. It's best to learn one thing at a time, otherwise you're gonna get in an accident!

[@IronKnee963]

People who are "too broke" for hitbox somehow have no problem shelling out 60-100$ for the game. Makes sense. Great advice on building your own. If you already have a stick, it's pretty easy and cheap to convert it to a hitbox, especially in the US.

[@crosscountertv]

Exactly!

[@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713]

can you help me with that? how can i get a hitbox controller for less than $100?

[@vista1456786]

Maybe not to broke for a hitbox, but they don't want to shell out 200+ for the Hitbox branded hitbox. I want a Mixbox myself but I don't think I would get it through Hitbox.

[@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713]

@@vista1456786 for me, it’s a matter of pride. i’m not gonna spend $250 on a glorified keyboard with fewer buttons. it’s such a scam it’s insane. they can give all the nonsense reasons they want, but we all know the only reason they’re charging that much is because they can.

[@IronKnee963]

@@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713 Well, that's not their fault but lazy people's fault. People also pay for overpriced trash consoles with inferior hardware. Where I live a PS5 costs 500-600 bucks. I can build a PC for 400 that runs better than a PS5. But people are too lazy, so they rather pay more and not lift a finger. As mentioned here already, you can cheaply convert an old stick yourself. You can also build it from scratch, or just stop relying on brand names and get a cheaper one. You can easily get hitboxes for 100 bucks and then still customize the buttons and everything to your liking. One google search will give you plenty of forums with tutorials and or shops.

[@runnergunner42]

I switched to hitbox after my stick died and I switched to keyboard and had a much better time of it. Would recommend it to anyone

[@crosscountertv]

You might have some Magneto-esque energy breakin all ur shit

[@kevinmcclelland-gi6jv]

Stick is the most fun. Its like playing a instrument where a hitbox is like typing.

[@notaskrull8304]

Have you heard of a piano?!

[@ParabolaTool]

​@@notaskrull8304lmao I was about to say it

[@kevinmcclelland-gi6jv]

​@@notaskrull8304 irrelevant

[@hellpheonix]

My friend has damage to her wrists so I built her a hitbox out of my spare stick parts so she could play GGST. My first hitbox was built out of a cardboard box. My first stick was built out of a dead Xbox 360. How did I learn? Google. What parts do you need? 24mm spade bit, 30mm spade bit, control board, buttons, a box, print out of a button layout you want. Now build it. Takes maybe an hour.

[@FilipinoSquid]

so true! i got my leverless controller here in the philippines for less than $100. custom artwork, sanwa buttons and all.

[@ranjeetkhoutinay4856]

I played Bison on PC for years. On 4 you could hold back and move forward to keep your charge by using a keyboard or hitbox. Used to be a hot point of controversy.

[@crosscountertv]

"THE FUTURE IS NOW, OLD MAN"

[@DelasVC]

Gootecks giving out life wisdom - I like that new content ;)! I'd correct something though: You can certainly be broke _and_ make no effort to become more valuable. However what you can _not_ do is being broke, making _no_ effort _and complain about it!_

[@crosscountertv]

Glad you like it! More to come! Check out the one from yesterday on maintaining emotional control

[@dnevinski6409]

Fun and games aside. Gootecks talking big facts on the manufacturing tip fr fr

[@crosscountertv]

It's true. Nobody is coming to save us, so we have to save ourselves.

[@Plump_Nick]

Excellent adventures was the peak of KZbin 😢😢

[@ElDrHouse2010]

Or they can play on Keyboard.... I hope you recommended that. Keyboard is also OP asf.

[@crosscountertv]

Yeah keyboard would work too. Didn't recommend it because that wasn't the point

[@aamake547]

I agree with a lot of the points your saying. But I slightly disagree on a few things. I think in most 2D games, pad is still the worst input method. I understand in the Street fighter scene, most top players either use hitbox or pad, and stick is becoming less frequent. But you have to remember at the highest level, those players are great, not because of their input method, but in spite of their input method. In Tekken, I feel stick is the worst input method (I play stick in 2D games and I play pad in 3D games, I sometimes dabble with leverless). But you look at the best Tekken players, and most of them play on Stick, with pad being a close second. Then again, I don't think stick is the strongest input method for Tekken, In fact I think it's the weakest. I'll give you a weird anecdote. When I was in the army, all the fastest runners were cigarette smokers. Ask most people who've been in the military will probably share similar stories. With that being said, I don't think that cigarette smoking is the best way to improve your runtime.

[@crosscountertv]

The message was more about making yourself more valuable to the world and increasing your income by improving your skills in a practical way. If stick weren't the weakest, leverless wouldn't exist.

[@aamake547]

@@crosscountertv I agree with you on that part of the video. If you don't have money and you don't have time, you're doing something wrong for sure. But in my head, even though pad is technically leverless, I don't consider them on the same tier as hitbox or mixbox. It could just be me, but I felt like I upgraded going from pad to stick in SF. I made the switch back in SF4 though, the scene was different back then, so maybe stigma had something to do with it.

[@aamake547]

@@crosscountertv another sidebar to the video (it's kinda related) I feel it's more important to invest in a good monitor, than input device, if you only had money to upgrade one. Anyhow, keep the content rolling!

[@makidiaz3894]

This dude was being way too nice. He should have just told the dude to stop watching the stream and get a part time, and then come back.

[@crosscountertv]

Generally I would say that the time spent looking for and then working a part time job could have been spent just learning some basic soldering skills. So it would have taken longer to do that. Also the real message was to make oneself more valuable to the world. Getting a part time job is one way to do it, learning new practical skills that are in demand to people who play fighting games is more beneficial in the longrun IMO.

[@rensopinto2139]

This vid is making me consider learning one. I have so much legacy w arcade stick and I love the one I have, but I’m a guile player so I’m tempted/curious

[@crosscountertv]

As a Guile player from the Stone Age, playing on hitbox is the way to go

[@anima94]

I refuse to leave stick despite it being the worst controller, it's the most fun way to play and I'm not a pro player.

[@Drvillain1]

damn Im a new guy learning both SF AND Stick... I needed to hear this. Pad doesnt feel natural after struggling on stick but I get it. Maybe I should just invest in a hitbox

[@crosscountertv]

Learn one thing at a time, you'll progress faster

[@normalsteel1613]

Smug, Punk and Idom were all pad users. Use the controller you're comfortable with and maybe change when the arthritis starts to bite into your desiccated old man fingers.

[@Dreggy990]

Iol i wouldnt mind controller but its rough on the thumb and d-pads do break.

[@crosscountertv]

Yeah they are. My suggestion is always to use what you're comfortable with, but that wasn't what inspired this rant.

[@SUREILLBYTE]

Or...just use a keyboard

[@crosscountertv]

Yeah you could use a keyboard but this video isn't about alternatives to playing on a hitbox, it was a suggestion for what to do if you're broke and can't afford it. So really it was more about educating and empowering yourself.

[@MrSamuelAdam4]

Dadtecks tellin the youngins what they should be doing.

[@crosscountertv]

But will they do it???

[@grouchygamer2404]

If you build your own arcade stick you should have extra buttons around, you just need to get a cheap pcb and a box and that's it.

[@kingabsalon21]

To be honest, I used to be good on pad actually back then when I played Dragon Ball fighterz but after trying out the fight stick, it kind of grew on me and me personally, I prefer to stick over the pad, but I'm willing to try out keyboard, but yeah that's about it😅

[@thehillza]

I'm too broke to buy it and I 100% do not have spare time. 2 kids and a full time job + mortgage in UK ATM=hard. Having said that, I still think k I could squeeze in making one.

[@crosscountertv]

That's the spirit

[@thehillza]

​@crosscountertv so I made one, I got my old madcatz SE stick out of the loft and ripped the guts out of it. Purchased a brook zero pi and the cables and some cheap buttons. Drilled 7 holes and now I have a hitbox. Cost me about £60 total.

[@InfiniteFramesGaming]

i remember a decade ago playing on pad or online was considered blasphemy.

[@crosscountertv]

THE FUTURE IS NOW OLD MAN

[@spaljenimaslacak7663]

I'm trying to find a decent leverless that isn't like 350€ in Europe atm, and after a whole life of playing on pad I just had an epiphany while watching this, you have to put your finger in the center of dpad on DS4 to do full circle motion smh

[@Squig911]

Speaking of sending your parts to someone; I am a carpenter/woodworker and ive been thinking of building some wood leverless controllers. If i make a box in my woodshop would you interested in me making one for you for free and you could give me some feedback? Just an idea ive been throwing around. I love fighting games and woodworking, so thays a way i can do both. Lol

[@mjrunner6244]

I became motivated. 😂

[@blazestation408]

i got the money for a hitbox but refuse to participate in buying an over priced controller not just a little overpriced its ALLOT beyond a joke however am gonna build one mainly cause learning stuff is worth my time side note Razer hitbox looks dope ps: dont be that guy who is broke and does nothing about it, that road leads to no where

[@mightymike130]

@crosscountertv so you're saying even as a honda player i should definitely switch from stick to hitbox. 🤔 Them charge characters do be OD on hitbox

[@crosscountertv]

I haven't played him so I don't know firsthand, but I don't see why every charge character wouldn't benefit

[@CityBlades]

There needs to be more people creating value in the world in general. Dudes used to build a workshop and then from that workshop, build a house next to it to live in. Now people are scared to make a box and put buttons on it, lol

[@crosscountertv]

Yes, exactly. Necessity is the mother of invention

[@Kool212]

You know how people will play character they like no matter how bad? I will play on my Madcatz TE till I die. It's a family heirloom at this point.

[@crosscountertv]

LMAO KennEH the 2nd and KennEH III have no idea what's in store for them

[@minglessdreamar5264]

Listening to Gooteks makes you wanna grind your ass off

[@crosscountertv]

Thanks! But did you get started?

[@minglessdreamar5264]

@@crosscountertv sure did sir

[@JoseL83]

I already made an arcade stick controller with 3D printed box made by myself (in parts), a pre-built controller and buttons bought from Amazon. I don't play with it because I can't adapt to stick. I'm too used to my mechanical keyboard. I'm actually thinking of converting it into a hitbox, since upper part layout is removable. But the buttons I bought are quite bad (not always responding, getting stuck too). Can you please give me any clue about good quality low-profile buttons to buy? Thanks

[@crosscountertv]

Yeah do it. No idea about lowprofile buttons, I would check r/fightsticks, there's lots of people making custom stuff in there

[@JoseL83]

@@crosscountertv Thanks man, I'll go there.

[@blksmiith]

1:36 is the realest shit

[@crosscountertv]

Thank you bro, sometimes a reality check is necessary. No reason we can't be striving to improve our situation

[@BUDDAz1g]

I just don't get the hitbox trend feels like cheating

[@crosscountertv]

The message was more about improving yourself in a very practical way. But sure, hitbox is cheating lol

[@Unbelievable47]

I just got a TrailMix by Granola Arcade for $50

[@taskanawa9604]

i make controller of junk, but normal people like to pay for ''official''. for me if works, fine

[@crosscountertv]

It's not what your controller is made of, it's what you do with it that counts

[@illadelph42]

I’ve legit been thinking of getting a hitbox for years but I didn’t wanna drop the money if I end up hating it. However I think it may be my time to finally learn it. What’s a nice place to buy a dope one that anyone would recommend?

[@cj_ocean]

snack box micro by junkfood custom arcades

[@illadelph42]

@@cj_ocean Thank you. Looks like they are all sold out except for a switch one 😔 I’m on ps5

[@AllEndsWellAB]

Ayo, send those parts

[@crosscountertv]

I only have the Raspberry Pi Picos but if that's all you need let me know

[@Sommeill]

But CrossCounter! I play on stick!

[@crosscountertv]

That's ok, keep playing on it if you like it

[@LylatSASH]

@@crosscountertv I'm what they used to call an 09er. Quickly realized that the standard 360 D-Pad came from the deepest depths of hell and bought a Madcatz Fightpad. Didn't like it and bought a TE Stick to, essentially play SF4 the way it was intended to be played. There was no arcade scene in my country whatsoever, so I have no ancient nostalgia for the stick. We played SF2 on SNES. Now I am hooked for life because that Sanwa-JLF clicking does something to my brain. It's really fun to use.

[@Sommeill]

@@crosscountertv It's more of a "KOF is miserable on hitbox imo, so I just use stick for both games" thing.

[@Armrongeddon]

If you just replace the stick with buttons will it work just like a hitbox or is there some extra circuitry to manage button priorities?

[@crosscountertv]

The Hitbox uses a Brook PCB which manages the SOCD. If you replace the stick with buttons, it'll work like the way your stick works right now. The other way to do it is to use a Raspberry Pi Pico with the GP2040 firmware.