If you do these 5 things... You should NOT use Linux

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[@timidgoldfish]

"Linux community over promises and under delivers." Sometimes I think people using Linux are so used to finding workarounds or accepting less convenient alternatives that they forget it's a skill one needs to develop.

[@edgymarshmellow8493]

I agree; albeit I think Linux is great, but like all operating systems it’s not amazing at everything. Even windows and Mac aren’t good at everything; some are just easier than others. I.E. Microsoft is good for gaming and most people who don’t want to learn a lot about a computer. Mac is amazing for creative endeavors, whereas Linux is for people who love learning new things and digging farther into how computers work.

[@justinsooroojdeen425]

"its simple to setup" "you can update linux without rebooting your pc" "you dont need to use the command line"

[@sifatullah7568]

@@justinsooroojdeen425 Agree. Although I use Linux, I'm nowhere as biased to Linux as some linux elitist are, I stay for what's the truth. And the truth is If Windows has a simple bug, the linux community (the bad one, not the good people) will laugh their A**es, while if Linux has a bug in the desktop, "its the users' fault"....Also I see many Linux KZbinr saying total nonsense things about Windows which isn't true at all. I have no objections telling a bad thing bad, but which things aren't true about Windows, they say those things also!

[@justinsooroojdeen425]

@@sifatullah7568 i used to use linux as well for development but ever since i started using wsl2 I didn’t need my dual boot anymore. Hopefully one day the year of the linux desktop actually happens because having an opensource piece of software as the standard os feels like a good future.

[@anth5189]

Yea, and Microsoft constantly lies and believes THEY own your computer. Apparently too many weak pathetic fools like being treated with contempt by a corrupt corporation. If more people actually put some effort into using Linux, instead of whinging it would be better.

[@roku-toiletpapersquad8664]

0:36 Gaming 4:38 Microsoft Office 5:31 Photoshop 7:15 Ecosystem of Linux 9:39 Hardware compatibility

[@Fuad_]

That's alot of things

[@antedieente9030]

Thanks

[@carnistpolice]

I'm not sure why would he pay for win11 and microsoft office, especially office, it's extremely buggy, performance issues, features usually don't work. No reason to buy it, also it's closed source.

[@yash1152]

thanks a lot OverDrift

[@waagh2deth447]

Saved me alot of time- thanks. Totally got click baited still though, unfortunately

[@TheRealGigaCat]

As a hardcore linux user. You are on point. It is what it is. And we should work forward to make it better hopefully.

[@bolek158]

It has allready become way way better :) 10 years ago it was basically unusable for an average youser. I, personally tried linux many times an was unable to use it Only around 2015 I finally started and I was happy with it :)

[@dreamygloom]

Yup this is the way.

[@Don_XII]

@@bolek158 True, but still lacks a lot.

[@worldhello1234]

You know a lot of useless platitudes for a hardcore linux user, that is for sure and the rest is just undue praise without substance. :)

[@connyslayer4661]

Absolutely correct, i am becoming a intermediate Linux user slowly since, i have been improving understand Linux and its several distros. we should work hard and do better and i can confirm we are reaching great heights.

[@DanLabute]

Music production is another area where I think Linux is still behind Windows. Not necessarily because of DAW software - Reaper runs fine on Linux for example, but plugins, virtual instruments and the like are often windows and mac only.

[@PixelTrik]

Agreed on that too. The lack of plugins is a pain point but managing audio in general is a pain point on Linux.

[@DiamondPugs]

I've done music production on Linux and I'd say yes and no. Linux is far ahead Windows and Mac when it comes to music production in many aspects, but it is behind when it comes to plugins and hardware compatibility. Most of them are made for Windows and you have to run them through Wine and they don't always work that way. 90% of the time it is a problem with DRMs, though. My tip if someone is thinking in using Linux for music production, make sure that everything you buy works on Linux. Just this will save most of the headaches.

[@Onarchegable]

I an actually running a recording studio with linux as my main daw. I am an almost day one bitwig adopter, so the transition was pretty smooth. I use mainly built in plugins for mixing and lots of hardware synths so plugins were not much of an issue Kontakt 5 works in case i need exotic stuff (through airwave) There is a decent gui to alsamixer which allows me to tweak and reprogram my sound card even more than on the native software (mac and win only) i also use muse score for notation which works perfect natively! My point is you can get a decent music production experience on linux unless you are married to a certain daw or vst. Is it for everyone? Definitely no, but if you actually know what you are doing and are ready to try doing it in a different way- give it a go. You might enjoy it the way i qnvfor the past 5 years

[@yash1152]

yeah, i'll consider music production to be far far more important point than "MS Office" since for the former, no equivalent alternates exist. while for MS-O it's just like some particular xyz is stubborn and cant switch to OpenOffice despite being equivalent. unless MS-O provides some tool extremely vital for their organisation for example Excel, or Access. but those who cant switch from MSword/ppt etc, they just dont want to.

[@Zephyrus0]

Plugins (which are mostly VST) are not going to work properly due to licensing.

[@avelord6135]

Now what about a video like "5 things you should use Linux for!"

[@typingcat1814]

1. Private computing 2. Command-line (fast, efficient) computing 3. Education--deeper learning about computing in general 4. Maker purposes: sbcs, iot applications 5. Repurposing old or weak computer hardware Bonus: Enjoying Linux itself: ui customization, distro hopping etc

[@orkhepaj]

@@typingcat1814 1. win is private too , do you think all the companies would use win if their stuff could be leaked out ? 2. win has command line 3. you can learn as much on win as linux 4. heh? can be done on win too for sure bonus? distro hopping is horrible it clearly shows you are not confident with your distro

[@thatguyalex2835]

I see Chris has a shirt that says variant, probably in reference to the Omicron strain of Covid-19. By the way, I am looking forward to seeing people use the Valve Steam Deck in 2022. :)

[@thatguyalex2835]

@@typingcat1814 1. Supercomputing 2. Inflight Entertainment Systems 3. Smart Home/Automation 4. Gaming (Valve Steam Deck) 5. Software Programming

[@thatguyalex2835]

@@orkhepaj I have to *agree* with you on the bonus one, cos distro hopping basically shows that the user is not satisfied with their Linus operating system. What I *disagree* with: Windows is not very secure for everyday home users, cos they log keystrokes, and can easily catch a virus.

[@alexberezin3513]

I run ALL my games on Linux, and there are many of them. And something in me really, like really wants to dislike this video, regardless of the counter, because... Well, it works. But I can't. Because what Chris is saying is true: SOME games are not so simple to get going. It's not a showstopper by any means, but you need to keep in mind that tinkering WILL be REQUIRED at least at some point and with SOME games. And if you don't LIKE doing that, you might get annoyed and rage-quit... Well... The whole OS. And when you do like doing that and just getting a game working is a game in itself for you, it's quite easy to forget that many people are simply not like that. Giant kudos for Valve for making this easier on the less tech-inclined user.

[@Baruch-Hashem]

Better than running Windows and being a slave to the Bill Gates universe IMHO. Otherwise I use a PS4

[@OnlyCitrus]

@@Baruch-Hashem ah yes one corporation for another

[@zerotactix5739]

Sometimes it's not as much as getting it to work as much as getting it to work AS WELL AS Windows. I have 836 games on Steam as of today, and I've tried a bunch of them over the last year. And many of them turned my Vega 64 into an RX 580. That is just unacceptable. It's fine for all pixel art indies, sure because I'm getting 144 fps anyway at that point.

[@zerotactix5739]

@@Baruch-Hashem Being a slave to Windows is dumb, but being a slave to Sony isn't? ok.

[@andreas.grundler]

I have seen people struggling with some games under Windows as well. The graphics drivers are reinstalled, Windows is reinstalled, all kinds of other programmes are installed and uninstalled just because the game freezes or crashes over and over again. So even under Windows, it's not always just install and it runs.

[@pushqrdx]

Simply if you switch to Linux, you already acquired the "Tinkerer" badge, not using the Terminal is just refusing to level up your experience. I love how honest this video is, i hate FOSS advocates who just shove GIMP down anyone saying PS throats, it is not always an option, Use whatever gives you the most value for your life, I personally use Linux because i like control, i like tinkering around and i like how fast and lightweight i can make it

[@CianMcsweeney]

Yeah just cause a piece of software is OSS doesn't exempt it from criticism, compared to say how blender has turned out, actually competing with paid alternatives, Gimp is a long way off

[@pushqrdx]

@@CianMcsweeney agree

[@Viruskiller82]

This is the type of mentality that holds FOSS from being a true option for all users, linux distributions need to get better, this is not the way to create software, things need to work for population in general not for the gate keepers, people need a true option from propetary software not just a promise of something, terminal being a most have skill on linux distribution is a huge problem and it will end when the software for users mentality is adopted and the "tinkerer" mentality leaved as a nice option, sorry for my english, is not my first language

[@chuctanundaspiderbone5407]

@@Viruskiller82 Many good points here.

[@jamescunningham8092]

@@Viruskiller82 It’s one thing to say that Linux distributions need to get better; it’s another thing entirely to *make* them better. Given the constraints that distro creators are working under, ensuring that no one ever needs to use the terminal for anything at all would be a gargantuan effort. For one thing you’d need to ensure that all hardware worked perfectly out of the box and was configurable through a gui. I suspect this is only doable for curated hardware setups, like Android phones or the Steam Deck.

[@sysghost]

Ask yourself: Why Linux? If the asnwer is something along with: "Because I'm told to" or "Because the other cool kids are" Then you're in for a bad time. Don't. Just... don't. Spare yourself the embarrassment and time. Stay on windows. There is where you're doing well. You do *not* want to use Linux in any way, shape or form. Stay away! If the answer is: "Because it has " or "I want to learn" Then.. Welcome! Head over to the community channels and say hi. We'll help you along.

[@Angryjenkinsdigital]

What if you just hate Microsoft and want to cut the cord?

[@set3980]

Because i'm afraid of microsoft windows.

[@diablo.the.cheater]

But i could just use windows with wsl and that windows app store to just use any linux software on windows flawssely with very few exceptions, even GUI ones. OFC using wsl is using Linux, but it is not stopping to use windows. In general, i would prefer if Microsoft just did their own linux distro that works like windows more or less and i would just use that.

[@evildragon1774]

I fell into linux rabbit hole because i heard that linux is much faster than windows. Because of that, my little brain monkey decided that linux is better to gaming than windows. Turns out it wasn't. So after that, i decided to stick with linux a bit because the command line seems cool. Because of me learning the command line, i started to develop this personality idk what to call it but rather "Found problem? Fix it.".And that's how i fallen for linux, gentleman

[@tonyramirez5707]

"I want to be free" is another good reason.

[@jonathansturm4163]

When I retired from the IT industry I still had friends/relatives who expected me to provide support for their PC issues. Fortunately, most don’t do much beyond web browsing and lightweight word processing/graphics. I managed to transition almost all of them to Cinnamon Mint and have consequently reduced their demands on my time to almost zero! I spent more than a year doing everything possible using Mint and only running what was only possible in Windows in a VM. As you say Chris, over-promising and under-delivering is the big downside to Linux, but then that’s been the norm in the computer industry since the very beginning! Heartfelt thanks for your W10 debloat script BTW. Your blood’s worth bottling as we say here in the Land of Under.

[@westonbean9674]

I actually did the same having my mom(76) on mint since I built her a PC. I actually had her on mint on her dying laptop before hand cause I was getting called all the time.. now.. she loves her computer.

[@timothygibney159]

I had a horrible experience trying to get it to work with my 3080ti with Nvidia proprietary drivers. I gave up and switched back to Windows

[@adsensiv]

​@@timothygibney159 What kind of issues have you been running into? I've installed linux on my new PC featuring a 3080 and proprietary drivers ~2 weeks ago and everything seems to work just fine out of the box, even including DLSS in games.

[@luiscarlosvieira3966]

@@westonbean9674 LOL... ya... Linux is great for old people... they just browse and they like to click every button offer ... on Linux they are safe of virus and malware....

[@dakoderii4221]

@@luiscarlosvieira3966 Network Chuck made some browser app that gives you a throw away browser. He had his daughters click on a bunch of malware and the computer itself was safe.

[@dustanddeath3985]

I've used Linux exclusively since 2010 as a fulltime freelance illustrator, and honestly I'm not sure anyone could pay me to switch back to proprietary systems. My loadout: Krita for illustration (the multibrush engine absolutely crushes any commercial app I've tried, which is most of them), GIMP for batch photo processing, Inkscape for posters and covers (vector layout over raster art), Synfig Studio for vector animation, kdenlive for video compositing, Audacity and Ardour for audio editing, and Scribus for book layout and printing. I live a comfortable life with this array and every program listed has made me significant chunks of money.

[@ronguin7062]

totally agree. What I tell everyone is if a Chromebook handles all your computing needs then you can probably put mint or ubuntu on a thrift store pc and do your deal. If you need to use specific software or hardware for a workflow your better off getting a $15.00 OEM key and go winblows. I have likes and dislikes for every platform. I played WOW for a year on mint and the game ran fine but it was a knife fight in a closet every time my addons were updated. my game rig is windows (and you help me keep it debloated), I have a raspberry pi with your OS to run discord and light browsing next to my game rig. another raspberry pi with open media vault for NAS, my wife has a windows rig for her work, and my old bulldozer rig is our pop os w/ cinnamon desktop test machine for trying new things or just browsing the internet. We actually use a bit of everything. I have repurposed old PCs for friends and family and put mint on them and they still use the machine because all they do is browse the web and email. There are many makes and models of vehicle and its the same with consumer tech. Remember the price point for each and make your choice from there.

[@jim7smith]

By chance do you have links to how you setup the omv on pi? assuming you setup external drives? Thanks.

[@spidaxtreme]

If a Chromebook is all you need... just use the chromebook?

[@tom_marsden]

"knife fight in a closet" 😂

[@ronguin7062]

@@spidaxtreme sure do that if you can but if you have an old PC linux is free. whatever jerks your bobber. You can even put chrome OS on an old PC.

[@vaderchief]

I appreciate your honesty. A lot of Linux people would try to convince you that the alternatives are just as good or better, but the reality is, in most cases, their simply not, for your average person.

[@bigbay1159]

Right or the actual amount of time wasted making something work when another tool or OS in this case can just make it work no issue...just use the tool that actually works for it. For those just with a hobby passion sure, but when you need things to just work, sometimes Linux just isn't the first choice, not for everything at least

[@noxiousophidian9634]

I just switched fulltime to Manjaro-KDE from dualbooting Linux Mint and Windows for over a month. I briefly switched to Linux last year but I had some scientific applications that could not run and I was a noob so I rage quit after a few attempts. Now, I have configured a virtualbox with all the software I need. As none of them are cpu/gpu-intensive, they run smoothly on the VM. I love the feel of using Linux and learning to use to terminal really gave a lot of confidence towards this switch. Now, I can proudly say I am no longer a noob and I like where I am. And spending the extra five-twenty minutes where I get stuck, I just fall in love with the learning process.

[@horatioh5469]

After using Linux every day since Mandrake 5. I would, and have given many people the exact same advice. Also, I have never been on any Linux machine/distro for more than half an hour without opening a terminal. What you say is just reality. To be honest I've never met any one of my windows or mac computer using friends that I would even think of suggesting they use Linux. I'm not a gamer, but have some friends who game exclusively on Linux, but they are people who are extremely proficient in managing Linux - well beyond the abilities of ninety percent of desktop linux users.

[@readypetequalmers7360]

I do have a success story to share... I installed linux on my dad's desktop pc I think it was 10 years ago... he only uses web and a virtual machine for a few other things (windows xp stuff) and he's never reported a problem. I did upgrade the machine with a newer version of linux and hardware, but I made sure to stick with LTS versions.

[@randzopyr1038]

@@readypetequalmers7360 My dad did the same thing for my grandmother's old boyfriend - 10 years and I think he needed an update once, which prompted my dad to go ahead and give the system a once-over. Kept the old man from getting shit-tons of viruses from clicking on everything, and he's running it on a machine that I suspect couldn't boot with Windows 7, nevermind the nightmare that is Win10.

[@OneTwoFf]

avoid Linux if you want to do these things: 1. gaming 2. use microsoft office 3. use photoshop 4. hate terminal 5. using windows only hardware

[@chuctanundaspiderbone5407]

Nice summary.

[@SkyFly19853]

Unfortunately... That's true...

[@gustavrsh]

6. CAD

[@DonZapple]

Thank you for this, it honestly makes my experiences with using linux feel credible. Everytime I interact with people who are more "hardcore" users I mention I have hardware work on linux and what they say is buy new stuff. I do love linux but I can't fully switch like people say to do.

[@M167A1]

And I'm sitting here playing all my favorites via steam on POP OS, not worrying about any Windows or Mac BS... going... Whatever.bro

[@csh9853]

Lol

[@osgrov]

I fully agree on everything you say here. One thing I'd like to add is the lack of backwards compatibility. Linux evolves so quickly that it's pretty common for old applications to just break randomly unless they're actively maintained. That is a huge problem for some people, particularly corporate IT. Welcome to my life. This is a big reason why many software companies do not publish Linux versions of their apps. They know all too well that if they do, they're signing up for a lifetime of product maintenance across multiple distros, and that'll just cost too much money for little to no gain. Besides that, pretty much nobody (in the corporate world) is asking for it either. I've been in big tech since the early 90s, and today pretty much everyone runs Linux (or BSD) on servers, and pretty much noone on desktops/laptops.

[@yash1152]

i posted so long reply, and youtube deleted it. ahhhh, i hate google

[@loukasmaki]

Isn't this the problem flatpaks and snaps are trying to solve?

[@echoofdawn7209]

linux evolves so quickly, while Windows 7 still usable today but Ubuntu 9 is completely useless

[@louistournas120]

@@yash1152 PART 1: Definitely. You can try my ap...to be continued

[@louistournas120]

@@yash1152 PART 2: plication. It is called KZbinComment. It is open source, for Li...to be continued

[@michaelmartin4383]

If all Steam users switch to Linux, then the gaming industry would be forced to develop games for Linux or go bust.

[@reki353]

Hahahahahahahahha

[@aimanrahman5768]

Why would they

[@waldolemmer]

Not gonna happen soon, especially with ltt's influence.

[@onedaywewill]

1 million Linux users, 7 billion people on the planet. Yeah, that'll show 'em.

[@A2RD]

there are other platforms too origin (ea desktop), epic games which are not available on linux I would switch right now

[@JesseFleming1990]

FOR MY NEEDS (disclaimer) Gaming in Linux is really nice through steam with mostly no tinkering. There are only a handful of games that I play that the developers haven't updated the anti-cheat for yet. I keep a small Windows partition for those two games. AAA titles with updated anti-cheat (compatible with Steam Proton / WINE) work wonders. Just click install and play :)

[@T313COmun1s7]

THIS!

[@johnsmith-gs4qf]

I use Linux all the time on my pc and laptops. I use Windows at work. I am just a casual (not hardcore) gamer, but I enjoy gaming on Linux using dosbox , DeSmuME, and Steam. I use the free Libre Office for all my home office use and it is great! I stopped using Windows when Windows 7 security support ended and learned Windows 10 had no privacy at all and was sending almost all user data to Microsoft. Linux Mint is my distro of choice and I don't miss most of my old Windows apps (FastStone image viewer being one of a few exceptions). I have found alternatives for my Windows apps in almost every category (and all my Linux apps are free. I have spent exactly $0.00 on Linux apps). Having said all that, do what works well for you in your particular situation, whether using Linux, Windows, Apple (or a combination).

[@brandonpeterson2498]

this is a timely video considering the second episode of Linus's linux series. I think it is important for people to talk about these things and become educated on all the pros and cons no matter what platform you choose to use.

[@michawhite7613]

I think you've forgotten how most people use their computers. People who want to use Chrome OS have no reason to need to learn how to use a terminal. Most people don't want a laptop or desktop, but they use it for their work. They might have some benefit that would come from a terminal, but it might not be worth it for them to put in the energy to learn it.

[@bruceluiz]

Well, those people do work or study at the same time, and (shocking, I know) it might not have anything to do with IT or Programming. Making Linux more approachable to GUI people does not meant harming the overall environment: creating one distro or another or even just environments for GUI people may be all that is needed. Otherwise, why would people spend their time switching to an OS that is not ready-to-go when they have strict deadlines? Approaching the noobs and being sensitive is what will bring LINUX to the mainstream. Or just don't do it and be a techno-elitist, but live with the fact that the Tech Giants will always have more marketshare than the Linux and the free-opensource community, and thus more Power: financial AND political.

[@mbahmarijan789]

ikr

[@denshoni]

Nice video and great points. The lack of perspective from other linux youtubers is honestly so astounding it's sad.

[@pulkitsharma6313]

I am waiting for your reaction on linus linux challange 2

[@MeduotasMedutis]

Me too, he seem to has most level headed take last time. Want to hear his mind again

[@joe28753]

If you can get away with the web app version, the "real" Microsoft Office can be used quite nicely on Linux (or anything with a web browser). Sure, doesn't have all the features, but if you occasionally want to use the real thing, and don't need the full desktop app, it's a nice option to have.

[@apresthus87]

I enjoy Linux for geeky and nerdy reasons, but these days I most use my computer to get my work done (which is web dev and graphic design). I used to use Linux as a daily driver back in the day, and while it made me fall in love with the Unix way of doing things and the terminal, I felt like I spent a non significant time tinkering with my OS or figuring out problems. Back then it was fine, but now a days I don't want to waste time wrestling with my OS. I still enjoy the Unix way, so I use a Mac as my daily driver and have been super happy for years. To me it really comes down to preference and your daily workflow and needs. Different OS'es fit for different people, and that's a good thing :)

[@Noodles.FreeUkraine]

Same. 👍

[@bradleytreinen]

Chris: "If you're a gamer, don't use Linux." Valve releasing the Steam Deck: "I missed the part where that's my problem."

[@mallusaih]

wont affect it that much

[@ChristopherCobra]

Who cares about Steam if it won't run DecWar.

[@5inque_wu]

By "gamer", people usually mean professional e-sports players, I don't see these people play their LoL, Valorant, CS: GO on the Steam Deck for their career.

[@Don_XII]

yeah.. which only work if ONLY play games on steam. and not everything on steam works perfectly. but hey they are investing so much into it. It will probably be better if it gets a lot of sales and users.

[@phillee2814]

@@ChristopherCobra DecWar's publishers, when it starts hitting sales. Along with the publishers of other windows restricted titles. And the more people we have using Linux, the more essential those publishers will regard proper Linux support. Heck, for most of them it would just be a simple recompile anyway, so why not do it?

[@link1565V2]

I've been messing around in Manjaro for a couple months now, and trying to get any game working has been a nightmare. My pc is all AMD, which is apparently supposed to be better for Linux? It took me over a week of troubleshooting to get Doom Eternal working. After all that messing around I was keen to start killing demons on Manjaro. I normally play with controller, so not it was time to set up my Xbox controller. Most of the info online is "it just works" but I'm very quickly discovering that phrase being used in the context of Linux is an oxymoron. I installed xpadneo, and paired my controller. So far so good. The controller was detected in the system, I was able to test it using the gamepad settings app in Manjaro. It also worked great in Steam Big Picture mode, so I confidently booted up the game, ready to play Doom Eternal on Linux for the first time... and... No controller responsiveness. Nothing. I managed to get the game to show Xbox buttons at one point, but it just didn't see the controller. Another day of troubleshooting. It turns out that enabling just the Xbox controller in Steam wasn't good enough. I also had to enable the generic ganepad. Why would I have to do this for an official Xbox One controller? No idea. From what I could find online this is supposed to fix compatibility with 360 controllers. Very counter intuitive in my opinion, and Valve should just roll the generic support into the Xbox support. Or enable it by default as "required" when Xbox is enabled, like some of the other options are. Why would I think to enable the generic option when Xbox is an option? So now my game works, my controller works. It was finally time. I got in game, started to play Horde mode and... Performance was good but inferior to my Windows install. So after all that time and effort, the promise of a gaming experience as good as Windows was a lie. I'm sure there are more tweaks I can make... But why bother at this point? Now that Doom Eternal works, that's only the second game in my large steam library I can confirm works. And none of the Linux based tutorials helped me get it working. You know what did? A tutorial for Windows that told me to install the VC libraries (an exe file for Windows) I installed it with Wine and the game started working.

[@link1565V2]

@@arashkmahshidfar7780 it runs pretty well honestly. Definitely doesn't suck. But definitely doesn't run as well as it does on Windows on the exact same machine.

[@link1565V2]

@@arashkmahshidfar7780 I don't really play the multiplayer, so couldn't tell you.

[@kejtos5]

That is very close to my experience 2 years later, except with Mint and nvidia. I went in with knowing that nvidia is going to pose problems and I wanted to see to whether the "linux just works" and "nvidia has not been a problem for years" are actually reasonable and linux is an alternative. Though I had NO IDEA. It was absolutely miserable. I was able to solve 1 single issue in 20 hours and only thanks to a helpful person on discord, otherwise it was just hours upon hours of googling and reading threads that led nowhere. Unfortunately, pretty much all the tutorials/guides are either not meant to be read by a beginner, or they assume that everything will work flawlessly and that nobody will have any issue whatsoever. Countless of threads are filled with contradictory claims, so you don't know whether there is even a chance to resolve an issue, or if it will be a waste of time. And along the way, you are constantly being gas lighted, that xyz "just work" and is "great" or even "flawless", that nvidia aren't really that big of a problem, that linux runs faster smoother out of the box (not on my machine), that linux has less issues out of the box (not in my case), that you don't get breaking errors and bsosd like on windows (I have not heard or seen anyone having bsosd on windows for years and I am a gamer that works on PC, so me and everyone I socialize uses PC pretty much all day all week all year). So unfortunately, for the time being, windows is the only option I got. Let's hope it will get better in the future.

[@soundman_caraudio]

Thanks Chris! I’m new to Linux. I would love to jump the “Mac/Adobe ship” for privacy reasons. I need to edit video, I’m thinking of trying Davinci Resovle on Manjaro. Do you have a video showing what hardware is best for building a Linux box?

[@DigitEgal]

The most problems i have with Linux is the (non)support of XLR-Devices that i use. Only distro i know that works out of box with all is Ubuntustudio. Also there are a lot of useful stuff for media creation preinstalled. For Hardware you should go for fast storage (ssd nvme) and you have to get a decent grafic card. Also 16gig RAM are minimum. Video Editing is eating hardware.

[@mordacain3293]

I don't think he does but after quite a bit of tinkering myself with various distros, I'd have to say you would want to stick with Zen3 based processor (5800X has a pretty good pricepoint now) and an AMD-based GPU. My 5600G / 6700XT system has been flawless in every distro I've tried. A good B550 motherboard is also quite a bit cheaper than on the Intel side currently (can confirm having just updated main rig to Z690 / 12700K). Pretty much any MSI B550 board can handle the 5600X with ease but even the cheap B550 Gaming Plus handled the 5900X overclcocked without issue while pulling over 200 watts on the CPU. Some other basic recommendations for Ryzen - don't bother over-spending on memory. Ryzen does benefit from faster memory with tighter timings but you have an upper limit (for stability) and the performance between 3200 @ CL14 and 3733@ CL16 isn't drastically different in most use cases. I've spent WAAAAY too much time tuning memory on ryzen and you get your most bang for the buck getting the main CAS latency down as far as you can go and tightening up all the sub-timings. That being said, some programs don't care a lick about memory bandwidth and latency and Zen 3 doesn't have quite the same improvement that Zen 2 did by tinkering with memory. Maybe Chris can weigh in here, but I'm not sure if Intel Quicksync is supported in Resolve or not and if that might be something to consider. Nvidia GPUs tend to do better in encoding tasks in Windows, but their Linux drivers are notoriously garbage and the open source AMD drivers just work so much better by comparison.

[@haras-unicorn]

Just go with AMD - everything else depends on the specific product you want to use. I'm saying AMD because it can be a bumpy road to set up NVidia graphics cards but its not impossible, so if you really want an NVidia card, be ready to run into trouble and use the command line a bit. For everything else, you should check out whether or not your specific product has drivers for Linux which should be said on the product web page and sometimes you can get it working with some hacks if you're willing to do it that way (usually a quick google search will tell you whether this is possible and how to do it if it is). Sometimes you don't even need specific vendor software to get something working. For example, I have a Roccat Kiro mouse that works right out of the box when I plug it in my computer when on Linux. It has vendor specific software for Windows, but not for Linux where you can set the color of LEDs, DPI, keymap, and other stuff. Now, do I need to adjust those settings? Extremely rarely. If I really have to set that up, I have a Windows image on an external drive from which I set that stuff up.

[@stsam63]

as far as hardware goes AMD is your friend, if you are looking at building a new box or you buy a system 76 system. I bought my Nvidia GPU before I started using linux and it will make your life more difficult as a result, as far as CPU's go intel or AMD is fine for support (what you go with is up to you and your budget) At the end of the day though its the software difference which if you are really interesting install a live USB or VM of linux and go from there. If you have an Nvidia GPU already though with the exception of gaming, the driver it will work well enough most of the time.

[@orfidius]

Be advised, da Vinci can be kind a bear to set up as well. It worked out of the box on my system but required a bit of hackery on my wife's ( both fedora). You'll also need to adjust your work flow if you plan on using the free version as it doesn't support certain proprietary codecs - not a show stopper but you'll have to convert the videos first. I set her up with a script to do it for her.

[@AdventureSMBW]

Ive given Zorin OS to long-term Mac/Windows user in my family. No terminal needed. Theyve had no issues

[@anurag23611]

Who asked?

[@micsss_]

cause they only browse the internet lul

[@alexy.3512]

If you produce music of any kind. Good luck to you on Linux. Things have definitely improved, especially within the last decade, but Linux is still domain of people who just use a web browser, programmers and systems engineers.

[@Zandman26]

For music production you need to use JACK instead of Pulse ( however the latest development is that pipewire will replace both of these). I know VST's has been an issue, not sure that is still an issue.

[@Audiojack_]

Eh, "music of any kind" is a little too much; tracker music works just fine! But yes, I wouldn't even try to get my Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol to work on Linux as anything other than a basic MIDI controller, for example...

[@alexy.3512]

@@Audiojack_ LOL, right, trackers. I haven't touched those since 90s :)

[@8bitavenue]

As a hardcore gamer who have played lots of single/multi player games, I'd never ever consider Linux as my daily driver ever. Just like he said, PC games are made for Windows in mind. If Linux can't run every latest AAA games in maximum performance of your PC then don't say Linux is a better OS for gaming. Not even close, buddy.

[@CorbinsDedah]

Nobody has ever said that, not even hardcore Linux people. Most of them use Linux because of the bloat and telemetry and overall shoddiness of the recent versions of Windows.

[@1pcfred]

Linux itself is the best game ever made. So complex and challenging. No one has ever beaten the final boss yet! Heck we don't even know where or what it is.

[@pmccarthy001]

I really appreciate your videos of this nature. Like you say, a lot of people oversell Linux. For me, that's a real turn-off because I've had enough experience with Linux to know that it's not the silver bullet that some advocates make it out to be. For a large class of users, I think you can really make do with Linux, Windows, or Mac. Although if you're really into Gaming, Windows is likely going to have substantial advantages. And in other areas, Linux and Mac have substantial advantages too. I have an older machine that has always been challenged by Windows 10 and even though I'm going to try giving it a SSD I suspect I'm probably going to try a Linux distro on it because that's one of the areas in which you might do better with Linux. And fortunately, my Epson printer does work with Kubuntu, which is likely going to be my distro of choice... although I don't recall if I got any of the scanning functions working! It's just nice with your videos to get away from these extreme Linux advocates that act like it's Linux do, or die! Frankly, for a lot of users going to the trouble of learning a whole new operating system just isn't going to be worth it. If you already have years of experience in Windows, Mac, or Linux, for many users it's just not worth the trouble. If you're techier, maybe, but for many users, no way. It's like, so if it's a Toyota, Ford, or Nissan... they don't care. If they push on the gas pedal, stir the steering wheel, and the car gets them from point A to point B that's all they really care about. Familiarity with the interface makes a bigger difference than anything else. All the experience built up over years in how to get whatever you need to get done does count for quite a bit.

[@MrMunkyMeat]

Another issues I have seen in forums is the attitude of "It's good enough". That simply does not apply to your average gamer/streamer. In that scenario, you want to provide the best possible experience to your viewers. Sadly, that often requires very high (or at least higher) end hardware to achieve. It is not about what you would tolerate but what your viewers will.

[@link1565V2]

I'm honestly glad you made this video. I recently watched your older "Gaming On Linux Is Better Than Windows" video, and that video left a bad taste in my mouth because it's just not true, and I felt like you were (unintentionally, perhaps) lying to your audience.

[@SnowyRVulpix]

The thing is that it is actually true. Linux gaming generally gives better FPS, and a higher rate of reliability, once you get the game to run.

[@AdventureSMBW]

@@SnowyRVulpix "Once you get the game to run." Thats the problem

[@mashakos1]

@@SnowyRVulpix Linux has demonstrably lower processing overhead than windows which really matters for multithreaded math/science tools bit doesnt really mean that much for games

[@edrelaquino7041]

@@SnowyRVulpix you get lower fps actually if it's not native and your using proton

[@niranjankrishnas2c558]

@@edrelaquino7041 depends on proton rsting as well

[@TheJackiMonster]

Even if you need to use Microsoft Office, you can easily setup a VM with VirtualBox or even Gnome Boxes to use that on a virtual Windows in there. Why? Simply because of the privacy issues you can sandbox that way. Overall you have more control, moving files between host system and a VM got quite convenient over the years. So it doesn't require much tinkering at all (probably nearly zero with Virtualbox... or at least everyone can do it). This is probably much better than dual-booting and you can even backup/snapshot your Windows to be safer of ransomware attacks. The only reason this is less attractive when you are gaming instead of dual-booting is that you would need a secondary GPU to pass-through. Otherwise the performance penalty is too high. But for document editing and such... VMs are totally fine.

[@debtminer4976]

100%.. So many miss the advantages of a VM, running on a privacy friendly host.

[@fullerenpirat5134]

Do people expect that when they change from MAC to Windows or from Windows to Mac that all of their Hardware ans Software will still work? Why do they think Linux will do that?

[@MegaManNeo]

Because many folks promote Linux as the better alternative.

[@diablo.the.cheater]

Actually i do, i am quite hating on a MacBook pro that i got from work to work from home because it has that shitty command key plus it detects my fancy mouse as a keyboard. I rather linux than mac to be honest, at least with a linux i can customize it until it is basically windows with a mac i can't even do that, at least not without jumping more hoops than necesary.

[@Videohead-eq5cy]

@@MegaManNeo mac people promote macos as an alternative too. The only difference is that, most of the time, you don't have to buy new hardware for linux

[@sophustranquillitastv4468]

I think it's different, On Mac, almost everything working just like in Windows. Any software that's industry standard have support both on Windows and Mac (except 3DsMax for unknown reason). Everything work just the same if not consider how different we interact with computer in basic way. Also, almost all external gadget are working in Mac OS as in Windows. The downside of Mac is that it supported only the internal hardware that's similar or the same as what Apple has been put in their prebuilt. (How should I put it?, It's like only some specific model of graphic card and CPU can be usable in Mac but every printer scanner or camera in the market can work with Mac because historically those are supported by Mac before Windows) So, it's not that everything is working but most of the thing that's not the main parts of the computer are. So it's work just like Windows but can't upgrade the system spec itself. And also it can't run games as well as Windows as games are application that wrote just for Windows. Linux have the same problem in gaming but outside of that it's opposite. You can change the system as much as you want and linux can still working properly but most industry standard software aren't supported and most external gadgets are unsupported as well. And this happened because those gadgets/peripherals manufacturer didn't care to supported Linux and those software producers didn't want to port their software to Linux as they don't consider Linux as a professional platform that must use their software.

[@1pcfred]

@@MegaManNeo Linux is the better alternative. But Linux is only better when you know how to run Linux.

[@joschafinger126]

As for using the terminal: just being able to replace a long and thirsty search through loads of GUI menu layers with a simple copy-pasted command is so extremely convenient!

[@bahadirm]

Yes for sure, however if the community wants to get more people to switch to Linux, provide them with GUI counterparts! I mean you can even put the commands inside the GUI just like "ChoEazyCopy" for Windows! This will definitely help people use the command line if they want to get more efficient.

[@link1565V2]

... As long as you know the exact command with the exact syntax for what you want to do. Otherwise replace that "long and thirsty" search through gui settings with a long and tedious time using a search engine in your Web Browser.

[@chuctanundaspiderbone5407]

@@link1565V2 This is what nobody wants to talk about in the Linux community. Everybody says "Just learn Linux, don't expect it to be like Windows," but the reality is that the documentation for Linux mostly sucks. It is fragmented, usually outdated, contradictory, and often just plain wrong, or irrelevant to the user who is trying to solve a basic problem, like getting the keyboard or monitor to work. Not much you can do in Linux without a keyboard and monitor. Every distro I've tried, Ubuntu, Mint, Zorin, etc.that claims to be user friendly, has had significant problems just connecting to an HDMI monitor and wireless keyboard. The solution? Switch to Windows to configure your wireless devices, and you can always depend on luck to get your monitor to work. After all, if it doesn't work today, it might magically work tomorrow. Really?

[@orkhepaj]

yeah ,but you probably need to search first what to write in :) and for getting info a gui is much better than a console

[@orkhepaj]

@@chuctanundaspiderbone5407 it is so bad , most things i search for is outdated , like how to test your nvidia card is working well

[@zerotactix5739]

Really commend you for the truth spoken in this video. I like Linux because it feels so lightweight and it's a nice break from seeing the same boring desktop of Windows. But the Linux community is what I can't stand. They keep telling me I'm wrong and that I haven't installed the right drivers on my Linux or whatever BS excuse they can think of. It's good to see there are a few Linux lovers who tell you like it is. I WANT Linux to succeed, maybe in 5 years we get gaming to be fully compatible with Linux at least with the upcoming games because of SteamDeck? But as of now, it's not worth daily driving Linux being a serious gamer.

[@zerotactix5739]

@@LiveType Sad truth.

[@EbonySeraphim]

A developer OS -- lol. It takes a lot to resist calling out that you probably have more than a few consumer devices running Linux - maybe a TV, phone, or watch. And daily, as you use the internet and consume services over the internet, your bank, Netflix, KZbin...yeah, 99% running on Linux too. Internet infrastructure (DNS, routing)? That's running Linux for sure and there probably isn't a single Windows OS running there. If that stuff was running Windows -- at least historically speaking, a lot of worse stuff would have happened in terms of performance and security problems. The internet would not have progressed as far and fast as it has today by a mile. I would tell the original guy "Knife Guy Gamer" to take "wanting Linux to succeed" and shove it. If you don't see that it is already an immense success, you're beyond bonkers ignorant.

[@michaellhoover94]

@@EbonySeraphim desktop Linux and some server are two very different things. The fact that your smart fridge runs Linux really well does not make Ubuntu, Manjaro, etc. any less bad. and it makes you seem extremely disingenuous to pretend that some toaster is close relevant in a discussion of desktop Linux.

[@EbonySeraphim]

@@michaellhoover94 no…Linux is Linux. “Desktop Linux” is just applications, libraries, and graphical display and other “PC” presumed hardware put together to make an experience. The core to how Linux runs software is no different in “desktop” and “server” unless you’re running it wrong in desktop in the first place. Don’t call me disingenuous because you don’t have a clue what this is/means.

[@michaellhoover94]

@@EbonySeraphim we all get you are very proud of your toaster. Now go away the adults are talking.

[@ciscobrown]

I've made the switch to linux recently (i love it even with the headaches) and my troubles come from setting up a retro speedrun setup, its been fun i almost have it going! Unfortunately I havent found a way to run retrospy controller input display. So console game streamers might be able to make the switch if your capture card is supported in linux. I really think its worth to switch to linux if you dont have any big issues like gaming or proprietary software

[@florianfelix8295]

I also think that „doing a bit of tinkering“ can sometimes be a nice experience

[@mechanicallydev4536]

I don't recommend linux for streaming at all. Games aside, Nvidia drivers on linux are really shitty (NVenc is way better than AMF, and way less resource intensive than x264), the OBS port for linux misses a lot of features and has a lot of bugs, and a lot of OBS plugins are not compatible with linux.

[@dimitriid]

One of my thoughts is that with KVM being fairly robust now I would like to see something like Proxmox or Unraid but that's even more focused on an easy set up for consumer hardware so everyone can just use GUI and easily install things like GPU passthrough or gpu paravirtualization without being a very daunting task: the heavy lifting is already done so it's just making sure things like Proxmox improve even more to support these kinds of set up so it's basically a Linux machine but that virtualizes a Windows desktop: It would be transparent for most people but if it's done right and is convenient enough it would be like an even more powerful version of dual booting if you could just boot your Linux box to a very simple GUI that lets you pick "Ok Windows here, Linux here, Macos here" and that was it. That would help a lot more people get a lot more comfortable with transitioning into Linux full time and it's not as implausible as one might think.

[@ivailogeimara]

I don't understand how that will help. Let's say I boot in this OS and it has like grub saying: * Linux * Windows Then I want to play game so I choose Windows. But while playing I open browser for something (maybe something for the game). Then when I'm finished playing and wanna do some browsing. Now I have 2 options: * I can just continue my browsing session (or open a browser) in Windows which takes 1-3 seconds * I can shut down Windows and launch Linux to open a browser. My current browser session is not gonna be there (or I'd have to go to "another devices session" screen in the browser to access the Windows session of I'm syncing session, bookmarks, etc. This is essentially the same as dual booting - you end up using Windows 90% of the time. Now what you're talking about is probably being able to run Linux + Windows at the same time and alt+tab between them but that requires 2 GPUs to be able to use them at the same time. And 1 of the CPU players (AMD) doesn't have iGPU in most of their CPUs so you'd need to spend extra money for 2nd GPU if you want to use Linux+Windows at the same time when you can just use Windows and do everything. Also in contrast to a few years back (2012-2015) now if you want to use Ryzen for PCI passthrough you have to spend a lot more money on mb because the IOMMU groups are trash on non-X570 motherboards. So you need beefy motherboard and 2 GPUs.

[@chuctanundaspiderbone5407]

I don't know about these things. This is interesting. Will have to look into it.

[@catchnkill]

@@ivailogeimara Agree with you. This does not help at all. Now you need to handle the PCI passthrough stuff.

[@protator]

@@ivailogeimara Maybe it doesn't need to make sense as long as it seems convenient and attracts people ... because what the op described sounds like the kind of setup I'm currently looking for. I actually like Win10/11, once it's completely de-bloated, and I need it for CAD work. But I'm very interested in Pop-OS to get my feet wet and I've also come to like the idea of making snapshots and VM backups instead of running paid software in windows for scheduled backups. So my current plan is to install Proxmox, setup WMs for Win11, Pop and TrueNas, share storage between Windows and Linux so I can actually do stuff in Linux, but pass through GPU and some USB to the Windows VM so I can daily it as if it were on bare metal. My workstation has dual 2690 V3s, so 24C/48T with 128GB of Ram, so sacrificing some resources for the hypervisor and TrueNas VM wouldn't hurt me too badly. Overkill? Probably. But impractical? (not meant rhetorically, if you have experience with VMs and can spare the time I'd appreciate your input.)

[@PihkalTheTihkal]

I jumped the Microsoft ship 4 to 5 months ago, first tried Mint for a couple of weeks but ended up daily driving Manjaro Gnome. Haven't looked back since. It does what I need it to do, including gaming and it has treated me well. Can't say I miss anything Windows used to offer. Maybe it's not for everyone but it's definitely for me.

[@catriona_drummond]

The Problem with the terminal is that it is blisteringly fast. BUT ONLY if you know all the commands, package names and other stuff by heart. If you're new, haven't used command lines isnce DOS days, sitting there and have to look up AND understand every single thing you type in the terminal is a heartbreakingly awful experience. And an infuriatingly slow one too. It takes months to get used to and you better have A LOT of free time and a good memory. And there is no other way to learn it than memorizing it like a bloody poem with ten thousand verses.

[@derfahnder88]

Fair assessment. I‘m using on Windows for my Desktop and Linux on several VMs. Tried Linux several times on the desktop but it just doesn‘t work for me because of games. Even Dual-boot is not an option for me, because it means updating and maintaining 2 os instead of 1.

[@nor-bert]

I never update Windows :D

[@kroan49]

@@nor-bert He's mainly referring to game updates. Downloading GBs of mandatory updates when you're just trying to hop on and play with some friends quick isn't an ideal scenario.

[@arnone1862]

you can add DJ/music producer to that list because all the biggest names in the industry (Pioneer DJ, Native Instruments, Akai Professional, Ableton, Steinberg) collective give a whole zero eff about Linux support

[@NathanWilkie]

Very nice. This is like the best warning to anyone trying to daily drive linux. Daily driving versus trying it out is like the difference between moving to a place where you don't speak the language versus going on a vacation there. If you have other goals than to just move to that place in that same time frame they may conflict and you may end up moving back because it "just didn't work out." This video definitely helps set the expectations for a new user a bit better. :-)

[@worldhello1234]

You don't have to use a terminal and gaming is less of a problem as he makes it out to be.

[@louistournas120]

​@@worldhello1234 In my experience, gaming seems alright. I use Steam and have played Bioshock, Bioshock 2 from beginning to end. These are Windows only. Bioshock Infinite: I played the Linux version. There is the need to fix up a value in a certain INI file else low resolution textures are used. Duke Nukem Forever runs fine. Euro Truck Simulator: there is a Linux version. Works fine. Ghostbusters: I think I didn’t try it. Left 4 Dead 2: I play the Linux version all the time. RetroArch: I use it a few times a week to try out SNES games. Tomb Raider : I bought it but don’t have time right now. Battlefield 1 : they did a bunch of fixes and now it runs much better. The FPS nearly matches what I was getting under Windows. This is one of my favorite games. I just don’t feel like dual booting. I prefer running them through PROTON or have the Linux version.

[@barbar1an_]

I too find myself in terminal so many times, it's just faster if you know what you are doing

[@michaelflynn7055]

Great video, I've been doing my own Linux challenge and I like to play games. Its not been smooth sailing in that respect. You really hit the nail on the head on reasons why Linux may not be a good fit. I really want Linux to work, but its not a good fit. I'm a big believer of getting the right tool for the job.

[@EmmanuelGoldsteinUK]

"I'm a big believer of getting the right tool for the job." Shame the tool in office right now is not the right tool for the job hey Flynn? ;)

[@ChrispyNut]

Console gamers, hearing "Windows just works when it comes to games"! It's one of the things that's made me laugh with the hubbub from LTT series. Windows folks talking about how Windows "just works", having spent decades having that back and forth with Console gamers about why PC's worth the extra agro over consoles.

[@stansova3138]

I remember when Fallout 3 first came out with Windows Vista, if you believe Windows just works when it comes to games, you would of thrown windows out back then. I was using Zorin back then and it played Fallout 3, 10 times better then winblows. Plus if you own about 10 computers like I do, well Winblows can only be used on one computer at a time, unless you can buy a multi pack.

[@manthan_kaushal]

@@stansova3138 vista came in 2007. Grow up.

[@Hepycckuu]

@@manthan_kaushal doesn't redeem it being a shitty experience.

[@manthan_kaushal]

@@Hepycckuu for you it may be.

[@Hepycckuu]

@@manthan_kaushal not just for me.

[@Tenelia]

anyone who works in a corporate or enterprise environment simply can't use linux desktops. Even the dev teams would use a hybrid setup. It's extremely rare to see any organizations that can be pure linux.

[@Immudzen]

On my corporate machine I installed WSL, Terminal, VS Code, OpenSSH support in support and Windows and that has really helped. That makes my life so much easier. I can still use all the Linux tools I need and have access to all the Windows corporate stuff also.

[@worldhello1234]

Enterprise Linux/RHL.

[@supertrooper6011]

The "over promise, under deliver" is a general trait of software developers. When planning any software development you plan time for all the things you can think of, you triple it to allow for all the things you didn't think of and then half way through you realise your gonna have to drop half the planned features to get it out the door a month late.. it's not our fault computers are dumb.... of course I didn't mean to pass a pointer to f**k all.

[@lukez1643]

I think the last point about hardware/driver support is the biggest hurdle for most newcomers. I've learnt the hard way that to get the best experience on Linux you really ought to pick peripherals and components carefully.

[@ErinLynagh]

Anyone else never have problems gaming on Linux? I've had games that don't work on windows work with proton, and every game I play just works. I don't play many triple A games, but I'm actually astonished how easy it is now

[@linuxstreamer8910]

i don't agree that hardcore gaming is multiplayer only a lot of people play singleplayer games

[@mrsnailzzz]

Usually what people call “hardcore gamers” play competitive games, which means that those games require anticheat. Hopefully it’ll be better soon, but we’ll see.

[@DSTechMedia]

I learned visual design work via Adobe's products like most people. Photoshop/Illustrator specifically. I actually started using GIMP on Windows before I ever moved to Linux, and when I did make the switch Inkscape was a pleasant surprise.

[@randyriegel8553]

As far as terminal goes I love it. I started creating software in DOS many moons ago. I have to use Windows for work but I still user CMD and Powershell constantly! I'd rather go into cmd than Windows Explorer :) I guess I'm wired like that. I love Linux and have used it since a whole distro would fit on a floppy disk. Command line is nothing to be scared about.

[@jeinnerabdel]

"If you are a hardcore gamer, DON'T USE LINUX.." Wisest words ever heard. Thanks for stepping up and just plain saying it, Chris. When a game works on Linux, I play it on Linux (ie: Dota 2) but if a game is not supported, I don't waste time trying to make it run on Linux and jump back to windows only to play the game and once I'm done, I go back to Linux.

[@shadowtheimpure]

It's getting better day by day. Of my Steam library, now there are less then 50 of the nearly 700 games that aren't supported by native ports or Proton.

[@inscrutablemungus4143]

Y'know, the one lesson that I think none of these 'try linux' videos have adequately communicated is that switching cold turkey to linux is a really bad idea. There will be software packages that you need that's a hassle to get going when you switch. I've always advocated for a more gradual switch for people who are interested. For the first month, just play with linux on a VM and figure out what you can get running without any tinkering. Once you have a solid read on that, dual boot linux+windows and use the linux partition just for productivity/school. Libreoffice works just fine out of the box and is compatible with Word 99% of the time. Things like matlab have linux versions that are well supported. Anything that doesn't work, run on windows. Most of your games will fall under this category. After you're comfortable with the dual boot situation, experiment with porting windows only software one-by-one to linux. Start with a single non-steam game (for example) and experiment with getting it running on lutris. Do this one by one and gradually reduce the number of software packages that you absolutely need windows to run. Eventually, you'll get to the point where you're naturally using linux all the time except for that one game running anti cheat that there's no workaround for. At that point, you can make the call and decide to uninstall windows. Congrats! You've transitioned to linux without having a meltdown on an online forum.

[@gregcampwriter]

What finally made me switch entirely to Linux (Mint Cinnamon) was a laptop that was clogged by Windows 10 and a desktop that suffered a hard drive failure, making me reinstall Windows 7, only to be unable to find the driver that would recognize a 1920 x 1080 monitor. I'd been using LibreOffice and Gimp for years by that point, and Mint is like the best that Windows 7 had to offer without any of the toddler behavior that is the curse of any Microsoft product. If the apps that I use on my iPhone are ever made available on a Linux phone, I'll go entirely Linux from then on.

[@RafaCoringaProducoes]

TL;DR: 0:40 gaming 4:40 office/gimp 7:20 how install things / terminal / ecossistem of hardwares

[@ahuman4386]

ON point, Chris. I love the idea and some fun Linux has brought me but at the end of the day, have to switch to my Win boot for games and other software because, well, it just works. Though with Win11 out, no doubt it will be like the Win7 days after Win10 was set. Not many people I know wants Win11 (privacy being the big one.) Until the mega corps get tamed and the Linux community comes back to the real world and improves Linux for the normal/gamer user, the "Big 2" will be the only choice.

[@worldhello1234]

Gaming just works on Linux, too. It just depends on the games.

[@michaellhoover94]

@@worldhello1234 then it does not just work, it kind of works. The point of just working is that you don't have to wonder "hmm will this game work" you can just boot it up and it will.

[@issadogboss4380]

I went over to Mint about 6 months ago I was tired of windows endless updates and total control. I am far from an expert on linux but I have found it really is not that hard to leave Windows most of the products I use regularly I have found linux based programs that are as good and some better than what was out there for Windows. Yes, I still have a Windows computer but I am finding myself using it less and less so I guess I am becoming a Linux convert. You are partly responsible for that so please keep teaching me.

[@QuikRay]

Chris, Linux is beating me up, but i''m learning...thanks to YT.

[@MarlinAMB]

Number 1 and 2 was the reason I come back from PopOS! to Windows. I really really need to use Offce 365 and I play a lot of games on Steam, Xbox, Epic, EA Play and Ubisoft (not mentioning PS and Xbox console), and more and more I was using more linux the windows to another daily jobs. Because, I was already on Windows to play or use Office, then I start to think why would I shutdown the WIndows and login no PopOS! (was dual boot) just to use linux, if I already logged in on WIndows and could do the same tasks I usually do.. Other reason was VMWare Workstation I really need to use this software for work, and on Linux it freezes more than my refrigerator (p.s. I have a hell of a machine, so, it wasn't the hardware resources)..... But I don't deny, I miss use Linux and I love Gnome workflow.

[@worldhello1234]

You don't need to use Office 365 and with exceptions games run fine on Steam/Proton.

[@jaimiepotts]

just on the VMWare point - could you not try using KVM on Linux instead? It's also a type 1 hyper-visor like ESXi in VMWare and it's also literally built into the Linux kernel

[@CFWhitman]

The thing with gaming is that if you expect to use Linux to play all your Windows games, you will likely be disappointed at least part of the time. However, that doesn't mean that Linux is a bad gaming platform. I play almost entirely native Linux games because I have more Linux games than I have time to play as it is. Linux is fine as a gaming platform as long as you are OK with the library that is available, including some Windows games that do just work. It's just like any other gaming platform. You live with the library available or you choose a different platform. There are more than enough Linux games at this point so that it is not worth it to me to boot into Windows just to play games. As to the command line: There are a number of casual computer users who can use Linux without ever going to the command line. I know this because I have given Linux computers to people who used them that way. I find that kids in particular adapt to using Linux fairly quickly, and may start exploring the command line later, but usually just use the computer from the GUI at first. Adults who first use Linux casually only rarely find their way to a command line, but are still able to use Linux computers for basic operations and sometimes install software using a GUI software installer.

[@CreeVal]

At first I was like, "what the hell happened Chris, who hurt you?" but then I saw the end and it's a valid point. I'm thinking about switching, I'm not a hardcore gamer but I do like to tinker with things so having a bit of a rough time trying to install some games is something I consider a learning experience rather than something annoying. If most of my stuff works I'll be happy trying to figure out the rest if that means getting rid of Windows for good :)

[@techtipsuk]

I was like that and I also love tinkering but I also have to work and Linux just gave me too many headaches

[@zerotactix5739]

There are more serious things to worry about than simply getting the game to run. Most of them don't run as well as they do in Windows. I have a Vega 64 that runs like an RX 580 in many games. That's not cool if you ask me. I picked up a Windows key for 10$, but hell, even the official 200$ key would be worth it at that point considering the graphics performance I'm leaving on the table. No amount of tinkering on Linux can solve that, at least for now.

[@CreeVal]

@@zerotactix5739 Oh absolutely, Windows gaming on a different level, I have Windows installed for now. As I said, I love tinkering, my head is not put on straight at all. If I can solve gaming my old ass games, I'll feel a sense of achievement and it's actually enough for me. I've got a bunch of games running allready, it's obviously not as good as Windows right now, but its playable and not far away at all tbh(at least not for me). Pop!_OS makes it easy most of the time, with the lovely integrated stable NVIDIA driver(works out of the box for me). But most users just want to play a game.

[@StarcoreLabs]

5 Things 1. Gaming 2. Microsoft Office 3. Adobe Software 4. Prefer GUI (dislike terminal) 5. Proprietary Hardware (like GoXLR or Elgato)

[@johnstanp9692]

You're right, Chris. You're right. I believe that people should check first the reason why GNU exists (then Linux) to understand the whole picture: this is a question about free (as in freedom) software versus proprietary software. The model that Linux encourages is not the model Steam implemented: Steam is simply competing against the Windows store. It's not a free solution, maybe not even a better solution. It is a locked platform competing against another locked platform. I game on Windows and when I game on Linux, it's with free (as in freedom) software. If a company never intended their software to work in Linux, I won't lose my time trying to make it work in Linux. I'll use it in Windows. I use Linux for what it was intended in the first place.

[@LeJimster]

With web versions of MS Office and Photoshop/Illustrator now a thing. I think over time this software being a stumbling block to Linux adoption will go away. Gaming support has improved so much over the last 5 years. I honestly believe it will be a better gaming platform than Windows in the next 5-10 years. Yes we have odd bugs and workarounds necessary for many games outside of steam right now. But many older titles that are broken on Windows work perfectly on Linux and many new titles are receiving fixes on the day or within days/weeks of release. This never was the case until recently.

[@rootbeer666]

That's what I said on Linus's daily Linux gaming challenge video. It's impractical. If you primarily run Windows software use Windows. To switch to Linux means to primarily use software native to it. Don't be a Windows user on Linux. Back when I daily drove Linux I was primarily playing games with native ports.

[@LHCB6]

Linux can be for you if you don't like terminal. It's just that at some point, many people see the value of terminal, and choose to start using it

[@rumatadestora]

The dual-boot is not a very good idea for a working/playing setup. In the best case, you won't use one of your OSs all that much or at all, and it will be a waste of time and space. I've been on dual-boot of Win 7 and different Linux distros for 5+ years and Linux wasn't more than a toy for me during that time. Things changed only when my old Win 7 broke and refused to reinstall, so I had to pick a solution, which was to migrate on Linux. Since then I never had any regrets about doing that. Just remember, like in anything things will be rough until they are smooth, but Linux is 100% more rewarding once you get to know it well enough

[@randzopyr1038]

I think you just sold me on Linux. I don't game like I used to, and I'm content being pigeon-holed out of the latest and greatest stuff, especially with kids taking up most of my free time. But I really love tinkering around, and I'm flat out sick of Windows regularly screwing up any modifications I do make (limited as they might be).

[@SnowyRVulpix]

Linux Gaming is still a pretty good experience all round... and to quote Linus himself "Windows isn't perfect". Linus has a WAN show out from yesterday where he talked about a headache that Windows gaming gave him while he was able to do it flawlessly in Linux. Gaming is IMO a bad argument for either direction.

[@5izzy557]

But if you compare the two, Windows is better for gaming.

[@RoadRunner1980]

What's everyone's obession with LTT? Jesus, stop talking about that overrrated clown already.

[@playerone4610]

I’m going to disagree with you pretty strongly. Don’t get me wrong I run Linux as my main OS for everything (windows is a pain for dev work), but gaming is one area where I just boot into Windows; it’s obviously not as seamless as a console experience, but it’s still far better than Linux. And that doesn’t even cover the plethora of games that just don’t run on linux at all due to anti-cheat implementations

[@srntnjl523]

Windows isn't perfect, indeed. But in terms of gaming and overall UX, it's better than any Linux distro, whether one admits it or not.

[@5izzy557]

@@RoadRunner1980 He's the biggest tech KZbinr, things he says and does have an effect on people's views & the industry as a whole, look how quickly the Pop OS team fixed the bug Linus experienced.

[@diveshv7555]

I quit gaming on my PC for using Linux as my desktop OS & I love it.

[@kickdogseal]

Thanks to dual boot. As a developer, I use windows for gaming, office and adobe stuff and Linux for everything else. It’s been working out pretty well.

[@syakhiskk]

That last part is really true, I said the same exact point in other Linux channels who just praise Linux and act up like there's not going to be any problem when NEW USER is moving / trying Linux.

[@fubaralakbar6800]

Linux gaming also depends on what your idea of gaming is. I play things like Alpha Centauri and Harpoon, very old games that run just fine in Wine. Now if you are gaming online with things like Call of Duty and Diablo, then you are going to have some trouble, because that kind of gaming is essentially a social act, and society by and large is not running Linux, and so is not configured for it. (Ironically, most of the gaming servers probably are running Linux under the hood.) Now again, if you are willing to change your idea of gaming and maybe give some things up, Linux has a large library of very good games like 0 AD and Sauerbraten. Don't be afraid of getting stuck with Tux Racer...believe me, you won't.

[@liahfox5840]

I'd love to ditch Microsoft, but unfortunately for Linux I couldn't even get started. No sound, my monitor refresh rate would revert back to 60 after each restart/sleep, I couldn't hotkey my mouse, or change the speed of scrolling, etc. It was rather basic stuff that after decades of comfort I wasn't willing to give up. I'll make a separate Linux PC soon with much lower expectations for mainly simple internet use and some media because I love the notion of Linux.

[@qwerasdfhjkio]

Yeah I'd say with zorin os (it's a Linux distro) the things you mentioned will not be an issue

[@MpSniperM1911]

I'm still using linux because for me it was a breeze when i transitioned. I have a AMD GPU and i don't have obscure stuff to break, even the accelerometer in HP elitebook laptop works (too much in debian)

[@sysghost]

Another thing while I'm at it: The uprise of games under Linux is not there to funnel windows users over. So stop thinking that is the case. It's there to give us actual *real* linux users some entertainment too. We also like to game and watch movies. We're humans too. (Huge shocker, I know.)

[@1pcfred]

Actual Linux FLOSS zealots would never run closed source made for Windows software. That is a mortal sin.

[@larsmarklund9640]

I do believe that the recent light that's being shined on Linux is probably going to make things better for the Linux gamer. Distros are going to keep improving and the community is going to keep putting out software and updates. Hopefully.

[@gihanrx]

thanks this is awesome video, i used linux for about 3 months [ubuntu>manjaro>arch with archinstall] and i loved and its freaking awesome but im learning 3d designing stuff [blender+substence painter+quickel mixer+unreal engine] part of my workflow can't get done on linux due to that specific software compatibility so i end up in windows 10 ltsc 2019 and it works great. but i still wanna use linux cuz there is something that i feel so damn great when fixing stuff and figuring stuff also i learned a lot of different way to operate pc. hope linux will get more software support and thanks chris you are superb

[@LavisDurandal]

Finally, the truth about linux. I use it for everything except playing games because I play games that just completely fail on running on linux. Indeed linux is powerful, i build kernels for a device or making a automotive ECU to work with my car. I assure you everyone has to fight the pc when you install linux at some point.

[@worldhello1234]

It is a perspective, not da truth, bro.

[@worldhello1234]

@9:06 Not necessarily. You don't NEED to use it but those in the know have an advantage over those who don't. @11:05 Yes, if you don't use obscure hardware but pretty common stuff you have little to no problems. @13:47 Legacy harware is the opposite. It is better supported on Linux. :)

[@a740g]

Thank you for being candid Chris. Windows is currently the go-to platform for gaming in general. I am waiting for SteamOS 3.0 to see what it can do.

[@psour33]

Even with Windows you might encounter big troubles when gaming :) BTW I've no issue with Battlenet games and my Solus Linux distro.

[@orkhepaj]

like what other than buggy games which is clearly not os problem ?

[@psour33]

@AleksSDF Some older games seem to run smoother with Linux lol :)

[@breadmoth6443]

i game on linux - my emulators (console) work just fine in linux. As far as today's games? I don't care, they don't tickle my fancy , nor do I have any current gen consoles.

[@villenmillenion7986]

Me, a hardcore gamer, use Linux only.

[@Darmine6]

Really? So can you get BF:2042 to run or COD:MW, Division 2 or Ghost Recon? I bet you can't. There's one or two glaring problems that Linux can't fix yet. Once EAC works in Linux I think more players will move over. If steam deck sales well and works out of the box, I think this could really put a damper on windows. But until then for gamers like me, I can't switch until EAC and Battleye start supporting it. Meaning instead of giving developers a box to check they force Linux compatibility.

[@milohoffman274]

@@Darmine6 Or you can chose to quit supporting companies who's stuff does not run. Simple as that. There is lots of competition for my free time, no need to worry about games that won't work on Linux, there are plenty that do to keep me entertained.

[@N0WYO1]

I switched from windows to Linux about a month ago. I'm running Mint, learning the terminal, and moving my hardware to Linux compliance. I'm building a PC next year, and it will be set up as a Linux compliant box. So far, I've found this process much easier than I expected.

[@fredrik2008]

Dunno if I agree about gaming, I get a mutch smoother gameplay in most games on linux, and they look better then in windows. Ofc some games dont run at all or run bad, but I usually avoid those, take for ex now, pathfinder wrath of the righeous overheats my cpu in windows, but in linux I can run it without it crashing, its almost 5 c lower temp, taking me from 95+ C to 90c at most if I didnt ran linux I would not have been able to play that game. And a time ago, kings bounty game kept crashing constantly when played on windows, in linux no crashes at all.

[@dreamygloom]

I agree that Linux is honestly great for gaming! I have a quadruple boot machine running windows, mint cinnamon, mint xfce, & Manjaro. I definitely use Linux for 99% of my gaming. All the game’s run much faster on Linux and the whole desktop is wicked fast. I have a low end laptop and it’s great! Definitely brings life to older machines!

[@macbobXD]

Ah yes the famous advanced linux user response "You should NOT want that"

[@breakingthe4thwall260]

Sounds like buyers remorse!

[@TazerXI]

I feel like a "person already typing down below" person, but to do with the gui: The issue isn't just that there are things you can't do in the gui you can in a terminal, it is that most tutorials use the terminal because it is consistent across distros. Now I just realised my package manager can handle aur, then padcman can't, I feel as though I can just use it. I like using the terminal for these things, at times, tho. Is it necessary for some things, yes. Can someone get by without it, yes. Can it be faster than a gui, yes, but for an "average" user it is a lot slower than using a gui because they can't type out the directory as fast as they can just open a new tab in their file manager and just drag and drop. The only time where I see it is an issue is someone downloading a tar bell file and need to install it (these are a personal hatred of mine, but that could be a rant in it of itself).

[@NOPE-wn9yy]

Yup, really wanted to make the switch from Windows, complete control over your own system, no Windows bloat - sounded like a dream. But none of the competitive online games I have played/play work on Linux. Linux gaming is only for casual / single-player gaming, doesn't look like that is changing anytime soon sadly.

[@小鳥ちゃん]

Hm, the only game I'm playing is Dota 2 and it works perfectly well on Linux, guess I got lucky xd

[@rvmiv_]

That's why I am dualbooting, I get more used to it as it gets better and I don't lose anything because I can easily switch to windows if I want

[@SciPunk215]

Thanks for the honesty. This is what I experienced when I recently switched to Linux from Windows. I'll stick w/ it for now. It works OK, but there are so many things that are glitchy or don't work at all. One example is webcams. I was happy to find out that cheap action-cam type cameras make a pretty decent webcam... at least under Windows they do. Same with some other cheap generic webcams... just plug them in and they work, under Windows. Boot the same PC into Ubuntu and they don't work. Some of them will show up for a few seconds, others won't show up at all. Some of them show themselves when you "ls dev/video*" but they still won't work.

[@maltimoto]

I tried randomly 10 of my Steam games under Linux. 8 of them worked without problems. However, the 2 games not working properly were Conan Exiles and X-Plane 12. But these are the most important games at all for me. So I kept using Windows, less trouble.

[@Hobbitstomper]

There are so many older games from the Windows XP era, that I can't get to run on Win 10. No matter what compatibility mode I use, patches or even GOG version. (Gothic 1 and 2 for example). I even downloaded Windows XP and installed it via VMWare. The amount of Win XP service packs required was a headache plus some games are not compatible with WinXP Service Pack 3, and/or require specific patches that take forever to find. It's hours and hours of work to get a single game running. Though I did manage to start some games, most still glitched and had poor performance due to VMWare. The only way I could get my older games to run with good performance and no glitches, was on Linux via Crossover. All the games I tested that did not work on Win10, worked out of the box on Linux via Crossover. No fiddling around in config files, it just worked.