If You're Buying a MacBook for 3D, Watch This! | An overview for 3D Artists

[@Gome.o]

Mate, all I can say is I'm looking forward to an update to this video once the m4 is released in the studio/macbooks! What a great video!!

[@babys8640]

please we need it

[@froschfreak1699]

It’s kind of magic that Apple is capable to squeeze out the performance on a RTX 4060 to 4080 out of an iGPU vs a power hungry and heat producing dedicated gpu. This shows the future potential of their Silicon lineup. The efficiency and power of their chips is amazing and it is only a question of time when discrete gpus make no sense anymore.

[@PKperformanceEU]

Well the m3max is indeed a 4080m in well optimized situations. Other times its just a 4060m. Whats insane is its and iGPU with I believe 50-60w TGP. 40? I dont remember. But it can match a 130w 4080m in a fair amount of cases.

[@froschfreak1699]

@@PKperformanceEU ​​⁠ Thats what I mean. Depending on its efficiency we may see some amazing mobile gpu performance based on Apple Silicon in the future.

[@PKperformanceEU]

@@froschfreak1699 im talking total performance. Its all about how how and wheter the CPU and GPU intrinsincs and SIMD is used-uitlized. Performance 1million% depends on SIMD and intrinsics. Im only familiar with CPU intrinsics and SIMD so: Cinebench R23 uses ZERO arm64 intrinsics thats why you see very low 24K result for m3max, when it should get 35-40K if arm v8.6 SIMD was taken advatage of. Same with cinebench 2024. Only uses basic NEON intrinsics and the score is only ~1700 when the real score with NEON+SVE should be around 2000-2100

[@wolvAUS]

As a PC/NVIDIA guy I really hope Apple continues to work hard on their GPU. Competition will hopefully push NVIDIA to work even harder.

[@froschfreak1699]

@kavorka8855 ​​⁠I started 3D modeling in 1987 with Strata Studio Pro on a Power Mac 8100 and live as a professional 3D artist since Cinema 4D R4 was released. I received different awards including an Animago award and probably saw a few more polygons in life than you.😁 I also use a Lenovo PC to pack and ship UE5 projects for Windows but whenever I can use the Mac I don’t even touch the PC. Working in n Mac is so much more efficient and time saving. Keeping PCs running means wasting a lot of time fixing problems a Mac user never heard of.

[@Orozco_PNW]

I finally switched to Mac last year. I do both 3D work and photo/video editing, so it was a bit of a tradeoff when switching since I could have gotten an RTX 4070 laptop for less, but having the efficiency and portability of a Mac plus the integration with all my music and iCould photos makes sharing content easier than ever.

[@Teluric2]

@@Orozco_PNW M4 reach 100 celsius on Topaz. What re you gonna do with M4 fry meat? Your comment sounds like an Add like issues are not happening on macs.

[@nandanmukkamala7872]

You just solved 90% of my problems. Cheers mate🍻

[@sveilien]

I have been using my M2 Max for Blender work for over a year and it was been great for the portability reasons in the video. I have 2 PC systems with a 3090 and 3080ti on standby if I need the rendering horsepower, but I prefer my MBP as my daily driver.

[@lalitsharma3137]

Please do a similar video when the M4 comes out. Include GameDev workflow as well. 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@Yarck-Yurki]

yes please!

[@pedrinhosari]

Yeah!!! Especially considering that the M3 was a chip that was somewhat "rushed" with several issues and a pretty risky lithography that lost almost 50% of TSMC's production. The M4 will probably come not just with improvements but also a lot more stability. I even think that in the ULTRA line, they might skip the M2 and go straight to the M4, and then I believe we'll have a new king in terms of cost per dollar (it's really cool that you included the price of peripherals to compare the Ultra model).

[@Yarck-Yurki]

@@pedrinhosariInteresting. I really hope M4 pro will be decent for Blender, planning on buying a mac mini.

[@lalitsharma3137]

@@Yarck-Yurki Same here! The new mac mini is supposed to be the smallest apple computer ever. I think if the base M4 chip can handle Game dev then it's a great buy.

[@Yarck-Yurki]

@@lalitsharma3137 oh nice! I used to be in game dev. Now fully back to music making and a bit of visual art.

[@EricKinkead]

I’ve been making 3D since the late 80’s on my Atari ST / Amiga through Silicon Graphics Machines in the 90’s to PC desktop workstations beyond 2000. I find my basic Mac Mini M2 16gb of ram well equipped for blender animations and renderings. It maybe a fraction of the speed of expensive Nvidia desktops but also just a fraction of the costs. It also works at the pace of top of the line PCs just a decade ago. For the price I wouldn’t recommend current top of the line for 3D unless the end user can actually create 3D complicated enough to use that power. Making good 3D is a lot more than benchmark tests. 😉

[@madhavtrivedi9500]

very helpful

[@ronlerner72]

Its not. My custom rtx 3060 pc is 20% cheaper then the 16gb m2 mini. Yet renders 2x faster minimum. I ran some test 4x is common too.

[@joupie7223]

mac minis are not the fraction of the cost of a good desktop pc lol

[@thenextlayer]

This reads like it was written by AI.

[@filmweaver2013]

I thought I was the only one feeling that way 😂

[@evindrews]

voiced by ai too for sure

[@Bullitain]

Without a doubt

[@lauro.dominici]

Super detailed content, you’ve been super clear!🙏 How about Unreal Engine Ray Tracing and Nanlite, how are they working with M3 Max?

[@emiel333]

Liked and subscribed. I have both a Mac and an iPad Pro (desktop vs portability). Using an iPad Pro M4 at the moment. Octane X works great with rendering even with path tracing. Zbrush for iPad Pro recently got released and I’ve installed it to try it out. Maxon kept their promise by saying that it won’t be a compromise for iPad. It’s the same as desktop but enhancements are made for Pencil Pro support. It’s really fast and what I’m astonished about is that the iPad Pro M4 stays cool for a long period of time while using Zbrush. M4 will be in new MacBooks and other Macs with also the M4 Pro, M4 Max and M4 Ultra. Can’t wait to see what those higher performing chips will do when working with 3D and such. Great video.

[@pedrinhosari]

Thank you so much for this content; you have no idea how long I’ve been waiting for something like this.

[@HenrisKas]

Very good video. I'm myself a m1 pro user - 3d designer and do/did much the same analysis before buying and upgrading. Ability to render on the go without heat and noise is outstanding.

[@athinasdesigns]

Hi there do you think the macbook m4 pro would be able to handle 3d and after effects well? Regarding heavy loaded scenes? Or should I go with an rtx4070 Lenovo Legion The thing is windows laptops battery don't last long.

[@HenrisKas]

@@athinasdesigns It depends on what 3d you do (software and features) but for now m3 max is looks best for 3d (Blender). General After Effects will be no problem to any M series, and going deeper / heavy loaded scenes need to check. P.S. Legion is good laptop, but nothing to compare to Macbook. P.S.S. you want as many GPU cores as possible to handle 3d and same with ram because RAM is equal VRAM (Again heavy loaded 3d scenes are heavy on vram so you want as many vram as you can get)

[@HenrisKas]

@@athinasdesigns btw I see now m4 Max is available too - so if you can get it - it's will be best what you can get. But if you think about m4 pro than m3 Max is better.

[@athinasdesigns]

@@HenrisKas So a macbook pro m2 max for example with 30 core gpu has more vram than a Lenovo Legion with an rtx4070? Even though rendering will be slower there should be more memory for the scenes right?

[@HenrisKas]

@@athinasdesigns Yes you are right, and when rtx will run out of vram it will become slower than m2 max. Memory Bottleneck: When VRAM is exceeded, performance can drop up to 10x due to the PCIe bus being much slower than VRAM. System RAM fallback results in significantly slower rendering, which can vary based on scene complexity. M chip doesn't suffer from this so if you are going to work with bigger scenes you will have better performance.

[@davecarlton8239]

My now ancient 2080 SUPER on a Xeon PC box is around 2155 on the benchmark. I can't see spending $5,300+ canadian for m3 max (mobile throttled) and still have such pitiful scores. They're amazing for video, that was the design focus. Sure, you can write it off but it's not a sane purchase to facilitate getting work completed. As for those who keep saying 'Soon!, they'll release something better even!' - so will the competition that they are riding the coattails of. (Ex Mac owner of 20+ years)

[@AchakBrooks]

2080TI's 11GBVRAM was an issue for me. I can't imagine 8GB of a 2080? I use a 4090 now but it would be nice to see how Apple's M series handle Out-of-Core Rendering but none of the reviews address this. I feel the VRAM limitations an issue with consumer GPUS, Volumetric lighting, fog, smoke, fire, and clouds, Particle systems, Simulations, High-Resolution Textures, High-Resolution Frame Buffers all eat up VRAM so alot of limitations/optimizations need to be done to maintain the benefit of using the GPU on the desktop without offloading it elsewhere. (20+ everything user)

[@itiswhatitis-yes]

Incredible compilation! Extremely impressive man!!!

The problem with benchmarks and test files is that they are too simplistic. While is true that, blender for example can get Nvidia cards very high results with Optix, when you have a more complex scene, you can get up to 128GB of RAM on an M3 Max, where the 4090 caps at 24GB. To be able to render these complex scenes that need more than that on Nvidia cards, you need a professional Nvidia card like the a6000 or a6000 ada Lovelace which are pricey.

[@dmitryburlakov6920]

To be frank, Apple's memory management, at least on Sonoma, was not that good and generous to let you allocate most of the unified memory for GPU needs. I found it fighting back aggressively. Maybe Sequoia is better in that regard. On a M1 Max with 32GB, it can forbid to allocate even 8GB.

@@dmitryburlakov6920 my understanding is that the OS is limited by 75% of available RAM to the GPU. bye you experience issues with 32GB because Blender also takes a lot of memory managing all the triangles. In my case Blender alone took up 72GB and with video and processes I had 100GB uses out of 128GB of RAM.

[@dmitryburlakov6920]

Feels like it becomes a huge benefit on RAM packed models, though I think even I got deceived by the way Apple markets their laptop. If anything, they should have more RAM than windows devices of the same category. 32GB was usually enough for some game development for me on PC, but that doesn't really apply to Mac. On one side, Apple takes a significant price bump for memory customization, but at the market of the RTX A6000 and alike that's a different conversation for sure.

@@dmitryburlakov6920 I cannot disagree with you here. Apple memory is EXPENSIVE. Particularly in the M3 Max with 400GB/s transfer, the one you need to stock up to 128GB. Memory surface is 0.019mm while the M2 was 0.022. This led to a low yield, which made them to increase the surface back to 0.022mm for the M4 and onwards. So we pay for the memory very low yield but very good technically. I am not going to lie. I had to go from the chair in a chill down my spine when I saw the price, and I saw that 64GB of RAM was not enough if I wanted to share with video for my use case. But again, a PC with the same video memory, a PC!!!, the a60000 Ada cost more than the entire laptop. I have to admit that game development justifies a Windows Machine for the code, because is a more popular platform. For 3D alone M3 Max can be a nice surprise with a very stable OS. Of course, I would try to save for a good server for serious rendering down the line.

[@raw_pc]

M4 Max MacBook Pro is going to be a glorious machine. I'm definitely moving from my huge and noisy 3090 PC. BTW 3dsmax will still work through VM. Blender is king though. So many people focus only on raw performance while their head is blowing up from fan noise or they sweat due to heat coming out of radiators 😅 MacBook Pro + XDR Pro/Studio Display is the way. Pricey but worth it as a whole package imho. Great review.

[@wolvAUS]

Big mistake. 5090 will blow the M4 out of the water.

[@Gome.o]

@@wolvAUS Huge error. M5 will smash the 5090 under the water.

[@Teluric2]

If you complain about the noise is because you re not a power user. The noise is not that loud with high end coolers. Give me a break if M4 fans are not spinning doesnt mean soc is not frying. They can reach 75 celsius silent and later your mac will need reballing.

[@Teluric2]

It makes sense why Mac os is a loser on workstation market share.

[@fayyazb]

Thank you for this! Loved the Performance-to-Price ratio graph, makes it very clearer for a buyer!

[@ten-ub4xd]

ive been using a macbook pro with a m3 max chip for 3d modeling work (no animations) and its perfect for me tbh - the only issue is the price...

[@socrat84]

Fusion 360 is compatible and should be on that list since it is for engineering and is a big solid works competitor. also its more popular than some of the other software on this list.

[@elmaestrorochi4938]

As industrial designer who use fusion 350 i can tell u that fusion is not really used in the industry, the required ones are rhino, solid and a little bit of sketch up

[@BasMoerland]

thanks for making this, super helpful!

[@hpenbeoglu]

Archicad is software used in Apple's ad that can be used for architecture and construction.

[@ArcticSeaCamel]

There's several Architecture and visualization tools for native Mac. ArchiCAD, Vectorworks etc. Then there's at least ArtLantis for standalone renderings and Twinmotion for real-time stuff.

[@RobbieTilton]

Appreciate the video. That graph at 2:50 is very helpful.

[@StudioWerkz]

Are these comparisons based off a Desktop or Laptop RTX gpu's?....That makes a huge difference.

[@dmitryburlakov6920]

In another comment, the author mentions that it's nVidia desktop GPUs.

[@mohammedalfehail4981]

Thank you for this great video, I was indecisive between MacBook Pro m3 max and the Razer Blade 18 RTX 4090 and as you mentioned portability is the main decisive factor Razer is not power efficient therefor it has a bad battery , MacBook is a clear winner I guess

[@AnupamMehta87]

which lightweight windows laptop would you recommending for 3d artists?

[@hutflo]

Are those benchmarks compared to the Nvidia graphic cards for towers or laptops?

[@echowhiskey_gaming8284]

update to this video for the M4 chip please

[@eao5733]

What a great video, really.

[@StefanBoeykens]

Architecture ans construction? You know that Vectorworks, Archicad, Solibri, BIMcollab Zoom are natively supported? And even AutoCAD, alongside Rhinoceros, but also Shapr3D.

[@Wayne-sn6qy]

But Revit not yet🥲

[@Teluric2]

@@StefanBoeykens Most Architects use Autocad on Windows. Why do you think Autodesk has released Autocad for M1 after 4 years?

[@StefanBoeykens]

@@Teluric2 Autodesk has a love-hate relationship with the Mac version of AutoCAD... Sometimes they provide it, sometimes they don't. Sometimes it is a pure macOS UI, sometimes it's a glorified Windows-like app. I stopped caring more than 10 years ago, frankly. And for 3D, there is plenty of choice for 3D these days. I'm running an M2 Max and what I currently use runs natively: Archicad, Rhinoceros, Blender, Solibri, BIMcollab Zoom. I run Revit and Navisworks in Parallels, but that's not such a pleasant experience (Revit Intel running on Windows ARM running inside Parallels on Apple Silicon). Most days, I'm not even hearing my fans kick in when running native applications.

[@Teluric2]

@StefanBoeykens whats more important for you noise or your mac about to need reballing? Is it some sort of pride not hearing fans ,my job mac M2 pro go 105celsius on topsz and hear a gentle noise but Apple prefer a quiet mac even if it fries. One M2 mac here needed reballing and sold cheap

[@StefanBoeykens]

@ what’s reballing? Anyway, use what works for you. I was just reacting that there are plenty of well-supported 3D applications. More on Windows, but a decent selection on macOS. The students I’m teaching are about half on PC half on Mac. I tend to give assignments which work on both platforms. And at the office, I’m the only Mac user, but it works fine for me. When working at home, I do appreciate low or no noise. My external drive is making more noise than my laptop…

[@naomiwee381]

This comprehensive analysis is sooo useful and informative! Would it be possible to get a comparison like this for the new M4 iMac and Mac mini? I have a MacBook Pro M1 which has been running C4D modelling fine but I wanna get a bigger screen and a computer that can run simulations easily... I don't really want to build my own PC so I'm more partial to getting the M4 desktops and I'm wondering if that would be financially responsible hahaha

[@asian1nvasion]

Great comparison. Subscribed. Looking forward to an M4 video soon.

[@Valentina-w3q3y]

This is very helpful, thank you!

[@David_Best]

You did not mention Fusion 360. I've been running Fusion for 2 years on an M2 Mac and it outperforms my Intel i-9 based Mac considerably.

[@dieguisie]

I’m still gonna buy a rtx laptop for 3ds max but this is very useful. Thanks!

[@nffcdan233]

I genuinely (audibly) gasped when the Nvidia 40 series gpu results were shown on the blender results XD

[@Theobert]

Great content ! Hope to see the same vids with the nex M4 chips :D Thanks a lot

[@nonbiodegradable]

This is an amazing video, thank you for the great insight! Though i've been looking for information on sketchup and enscape workflow with no luck. Anyone has experience on these softwares with the m2 or m3 lineup?

[@paulmc1993]

Very useful! Thanks Captain

[@OnelineNight]

Great analizys! Thank you!

[@ferencav]

This was exactly the comparison I needed! I am curious for the M4 Max update this month, but for now I'm sure I will not have to go back to Windows for 3D. 🙏

[@Ryzn322]

I would look at the Asus g16 as the closest competitor

[@AlexandruMarcelloDavidMitroiu]

what about keyshot and fusion 360? Please cover all of them, you did not mention one of the biggest standard render programs on the market

[@SuperLordee]

Great analysis, subbed!

[@Redemption149]

My 2+ years old Lenovo Legion 5 pro smash into pieces all of this fancy macbooks in terms of perfomance while having definintely good enough display for 3d rendering and design. It's just better in everything work reliable except of battery life. But I was in love with my Macbook Pro M2 Pro, I had so good user expirience (keyboard, display, materials, smooth OS). Sometimes I wish to have another job where Macbook would be enough)

[@ed61730]

Great video! How much ram did you buy in the m3max? I use a m1max 64gb and it's been amazing for me in c4d and redshift. I will defo upgrade either m4 or maybe even m5

[@therinwhitten]

For me, the M3 Max Floats between a laptop 4060 and 4070, and that is good enough. That fact that can be had on something pulling 100 Watts of Power and with over 18 hours of battery life is just amazing. Nvidia cards are awesome. The 4080 Laptop is just amazing. But Windows breaks anytime you try and push it. I got tired of fixing windows instead of working.

[@passionatebeast24]

Both high load and 18hours of battery backup??

[@vmafarah9473]

u can buy a cheap 4070 laptop for 1000$ . thats the perks of windows laptop adding cherry on top by adding more ram and storage. These days it cost 50$ to upgrade a 16GB to 32GB . 60$ to upgrade 1tb to 2tb. now people of all economic states has access deliver the same result in 3d world.

[@vmafarah9473]

@@passionatebeast24 full simultaneous GPU and CPU load gives 2-3 hour backup.

[@PKperformanceEU]

4080m 130w in well optimized situations. Blender its a 4060m. Both cinema 4D and blender are not well optimized for arm v8.5 and newer arm64 architecture

[@PKperformanceEU]

@@vmafarah9473bullshit. You clearly never had a 14/16inch macbook pro. A decent 4070m laptop cost well over 2grand more like 2500. And still cant match the CPU of a m3pro 12core. Nobody wants to buy garbage plastic junk 4060-70m laptop with a washed out matt low grade crap IPS panel. You clearly never felt a macbook pro 14/16

[@triptonine1]

can do realtime rendering with unity or unreal...

[@evanskan6326]

Right now I plan to buy an M4 iPad pro and zbrush but.... the alternative - getting a Macbook pro and doing 3D modeling in Blender and zbrush- is also considered...as long as the poly count is high enough in these machines.

[@amarug]

I really like Apple but as a mechanical engineer it's a pest for Finite Elements and general multiphysics simulations as well, not to mention the CAD modeling that you mentioned. It's been a frustration of mine for years. No Solidworks, no CATIA, no ABAQUS...

[@Teluric2]

@@amarug no NX no Ansys

[@amarug]

@ yeah really almost nothing runs

[@vladartiomav2473]

The fact that Apple skipped M3 Ultra makes this comparison not completely straightforward and fair, because the the M3 Max and all the chips below are basically laptop oriented chips. An M3 Ultra would make a lot more sense to compare to a 4080 or a 4090 desktop versions. And by the way ☝️, you didn’t really mentioned clearly, that a desktop and laptop versions of nViidia GPUs are really not comparable in performance. What makes Apple laptops a really not that bad of a choice, but maybe even better depending on the workflow. If portability is a big decision point, as you mentioned

[@Wayne-sn6qy]

The fact that Apple skipped M3 Ultra is just a sign of the design problem with the Ultra Fusion technique on the M3 family. We have seen that they combined two M2 Max into an M2 Ultra, but we didn't get exactly double performance. Maybe they are still improving their Ultra-Fusion.

[@bendixtrinity]

i wouldnt have bought an m2max if win11 isnt so shitty on laptops. every time win11 auto updates, something breaks.

[@owenrichards1418]

I need some more detailed information. You mentioned 'Cycles benchmark'. Which one? What were the numbers?

[@emilioaranguren8829]

These performance comparison with Nividia Cards are totally wrong, because it seems you are not turning on raytracing render on the M3 chips, which will make the M3 chips (all of them) outperform the previous m1 and m2 chips with a HUGE margin. At least for 3d aplications, or at least in Blender. There is no dimension where an M1 ultra goes on par with a 4070 with raytracing turned on on the nvidia card.

[@TheNoiseGOAT]

This guy has no clue what he's talking about 😂

[@Claudiu-Steflea]

Great video. Thank you for the analysis.

[@kalafalas246]

What CPU was being used alongside those nvidia chips? I feel that may explain some of the massive benchmark differences instead of just optimization, some tasks are more CPU heavy than GPU

[@ernesthenley1975]

I’d like to see this same analogy with the m4 lineup. I’m on the fence about an MacBook pro m4 max cause I currently have an i9 , rtx 4080 12gb vram with 64gb ram . Will the m4 max outperform my current set up?

[@alanday5255]

SOOO Wow, Ill come back when I have my degree in Computers.

[@next_rs]

Make a video on the after effects test as well

[@BianicEpicVideos]

Thank you the video!

[@dmitryburlakov6920]

Thank you, I was looking for someone to actually compare Apple's GPU power because it seems like the tech audience and reviewers generally have very vague understanding of how those compare. I would also add two things: 1. I wouldn't extrapolate "Unified Memory" to be your accessible GPU memory on M Macs. At least with M1 Max, I would say even up to 32GB the GPU allocation macOS allows is very conservative. Maybe with 48GB you'll get 24GB as on 4090, but I am not sure if you'll get much more than that. It is theoretically possible, but RAM stress tests are needed in real-world use where some other apps are opened in background. 2. It should be very explicitly said that this is a comparison with Desktop nVidia GPUs. Power limits on mobile implementation vary a lot, so we're effectively comparing very different power packages (except for M Ultra series).

[@gyatsolix]

are these comparisons in blender benchmarks for nvidia is mobile gpus for laptops ? or the ones for desktop ?

[@renderbaron]

Thank you for this video. Are you sure about Cinebench R23 - as it measured only CPU scores, not GPU scores. Only Cinebench 2024 does both.

[@lasarith2]

I wonder how the chart would look based on M4 alone ( before the pro/max release numbers)

[@alanmortensen4530]

It's not that surprising that the conclusion is that macs are good for mobile blender use, when it's been quite a while since the mac desktops have been refreshed. The studio and mini never got an m3. Hopefully, when the m4's come out for the studio's and mini's we'll see a re-evaluation. If it's anything like the m1 to m2 to m3 transitions we could see an open data (blender) benchmark jump of between 60 and 90%.

[@johto]

annoying AI narrators...i hate this trend.

[@nitromusik9275]

Crazy good content

[@Ryzn322]

How do you make your graphs and the animations ?

[@LorenzoEvangelisti]

Wow.. good job my friend!

[@elrobotito]

If I recall correctly, the newest M3 compare to previous Nvidia generation: 3000 series

[@AsifSaifuddinAuvipy]

Try m4 Pro 🙃

[@periskop]

horses for courses. Just swapped out my aging 2070ti with a 4070ti super. As is, my not-new CPU (AMD R9 5950x) with 128 GB of RAM with the aforementioned GPU is a hulking power hungry box, but performance/dollar ratio is quite higher. I agree the new M chips are great, and being able to tap into that much power in a well built and very portable notebook with is incredible.

[@athinasdesigns]

What about rendering with cpu on the macbook?

[@00z53]

great analysis!

[@vx_labs]

So good. keep it up!

[@kris4637]

Subscribing for the M4 data comparison when it's released 🎉

[@bxarts]

Also M4 is coming soon and Nvidia doesn't seem to push a lot for the RTX50 series so Apple could become the obvious choice in the upcoming years

[@diyarbzgl]

3:35 u know that optix works better with nvidia gpus? When you used cuda for your benchmarks the numbers are probably worse.

[@lazyman1011]

Shapr3d and Fusion 360 are very good on my MBP. But as always the SW needs to be optimised. The chips are way beyond the sw even at the end of there lifetime.

[@AchakBrooks]

I would like to see analysis of rendering time based on VRAM usage. Volumetric lighting, fog, smoke, fire, and clouds, Particle systems, Simulations, High-Resolution Textures, High-Resolution Frame Buffers all eat up VRAM Since every speed comparison runs optimized demos made to fit within the VRAM limits of most mid range cards, I would like to see test comparisons when they exceed the cards limits. If the program offloads to system ram there usually is a significant speed decrease and I am curious how Nvidia cards compare to Apple M series with the possibility of much higher VRAM capabilities. Just an advantage Apple might have that I would really like to see.

[@notaspectator]

With a 900 bus , it seems that studio or max versions can offload onto dedicated ram. Hope my feedback was insightful or you already know.

[@AchakBrooks]

​@@notaspectator No I don't know 900 bus, Thanks? I thought the point of unified memory was to not offload (in the traditional sense) but instead be able to access the same pool of unified memory through thigh bandwidth channels. Also, I thought they claimed m3max was around 400 GB/s (ultra was double that) Is the 900 something else, I don't know? Is the 900 PCie lane comparison equivalency (etc cpu->gpu/part) like 4090 has a 384-bit memory bus with what's on it about 1000 GB/s Honestly what I am interested in or see value in is for example; Like say you have a 96GB animation scene to render. the 4090 will need to offload 72GB to system ram over the Pcie4 (32 GB/s) which would be like a x30 slower than direct access. This sounds like a huge decrease in efficiency and introducing new variables for error but I don't know how much of an effect that has in the real world. What slow downs would each platform experience? The power of the 4090 combined with the correct parts might not make any difference in outcome. I don't know so I would like to see

[@notaspectator]

@@AchakBrooks Correction , on M2 Ultra, the bandwidth is 800GB/s . This is obviously in more Workstation setups but that stuff is incredible, copying memory back and forth much faster, and energy efficient. I actually use mbp with a m1 max, I find the handling of my music explorations and software dev, moving photos/videos. All that I do in equal. Not chasing weird speeds, but rather seeing real use cases. Upfront costs are indeed high but they hold value. As would a good xeon workstation too. Its a balance thing. my other lovely setu is 13700K setup with 4070 ti, used for VR tests and google earth stuff.

[@uniqloboi9800]

Use vectorworks for architecture

[@andysun73]

Ive spent all weekend looking at RTX LAPTOPS but i always end up buying a MacBook 😂

[@lawrencepun2483]

i told my kid theres been a time we use bootcamp switching ard mac and pc.

[@next_rs]

Test with after effects too

[@omgnowairly]

Is this a comparison of the mobile variants of the nvidia cards?

[@TorusTeam]

Nope, they are the Desktop versions

[@BalazsLengyelMD]

what about unreal engine? Did you test that with Mac?

[@feline223]

ok im cofused, if the nvidia gpu surpsasses significantly the M chips, why is it still the best laptop for 3d?

[@voxtm]

Can you sonn update your video with M4 chips?

[@yanis_s500]

Being a profesional 3d artis all I can say - No matter how good M chips are getting, nothing beats a desktop PC with a profesional setup! It is simply not possible beat a desktop PC, that has much better cooling or even water cooled parts and multiple GPU setup.

[@DreamDesignDraw]

Is the m4 chip with 10 core & 16gb of ram enough for 3d work?

[@GauravSingh-yc7is]

Same question

[@petehboy2]

How much better is m4 for ray tracing and 3d

[@thecartooncynic]

2:42 Not gonna lie, I had a big ol BELLY LAUGH at that 🤣

[@janosgyerman]

what about keyshot? I am after a decent laptop for Rendering...

[@Baddmann1931]

m4 update please!

[@To_Hck]

why is my blender not rendering and crashing while I try to render? M3 pro

[@keithyakouboff8755]

A bit fast with the presentation. Hard to follow some parts of it. As for Macs and 3D, the only reason I'd get one are portability. Otherwise, I think PCs (currently) have a much better price / performance ratio. Otherwise, I prefer Macs.

[@RidiculousLei_Chan]

It's weird that my m3max is so laggy when I m using eevee with 32 or 64 samples. my mouse and ui is laggy

[@Mettsemmel]

Working on a Macbook with Blender is really annoying, but not because of the performance (although in my experience Blender on Apple Silicon is much more unstable) but because of the missing numpad. Huge disadvantage. (also Magic Mouse is useless) And especially in an industry that doesn't pay well, it's economically a bad decision to choose a Macbook over Linux/Windows-Laptop. The only situations a Macbook would be a better choice are if you have to work in places without power outlets or if the product design is your highest priority and you happen to like Macs more than a Lenovo Legion for example.

[@digitaldevigner4080]

Imagine what a M3 Ultra could do if we look at the ratio of performance difference between the M2 Max and M2 Ultra or the speed bump between the M2 Max and M3 Max. It almost doubles in both cases which means in theory a M3 Ultra could have a Blender score around of 7000 which is still why of the 4080 but not far behind. Basically only the super expensive 4080 and 4090 are faster. We now will soon have the M4 higher end series of chips so could a M4 Ultra now match or beat a 4080? We shall see. The other important factor is does the user prefer using a Mac. Maybe they use FCP to edit videos or Xcode to write mobile games if apps. Maybe they just prefer to have a Mac for everyday use. While a PC could cost less for a certain level of performance if one prefers MacOS they might need to buy two computers. The PC mainly sitting around waiting for 3D work or to play a game. Buying two computers would cost more than one really good Mac. Telling someone to use Windows instead of the OS and software they are used to just to save a few bucks or render a big faster seems odd. It centers a computer around one software application. If all one ever does for a living is 3D all day that’s fine. It’s just not likely realistic for someone that might have 3D as a hobby. The significance of Macs now working fairly well at 3D is a large market of users can get into 3D just like everyone else. Is f that kind of the point of Blender in the first place? Make 3D accessible to everyone. Not just PC owners who can spend $2,000 on just a graphics card. A lot of Blender users on the PC side are using lower end GPUs like a 2060 or a 3050. We don’t tell them they can’t use Blender because of that. We welcome all ranges of PC users. Even those that can only do CPU only rendering. Finally Cycles is a unique renderer that was only ever optimized for Nvidia. The Blender developers had no interest in ever supporting anything else. AMD performance sucks as well with Blender did this reason. Both Apple and AMD had to lend developers to the team to make support for Apple Silicon and AMD a reality with Cycles. Naturally Nvidia has an advantage in that situation but that’s due to the software development side and not so much the ability of the hardware. With that said Nvidia may always be one step ahead. That may matter to some bug at what cost? A 4090 is not cheap and by the time you get a good system with a 4090 you are at Mac prices. If may be faster but if one prefers MacOS there are a lot of other sacrifices. Rendering is only one part of the equation anyway. A lot of large rendering tasks are likely better off in a render farm. The more pro one gets and earns money from 3D the less likely they are to have their main system sit there rendering all the time. Slower rendering just means it takes longer. The quality is the same and if one has no deadline nothing is hurt. We all want things right away but getting into 3D will never scratch that itch and one better get used to being patient. Eevee rendering keeps getting better and some really need to ask themselves if they really need the hyper realism of Cycles rendering. Game sprite assets, graphic design elements, web graphics, video graphics and cartoon like animation and renders can all likely work very well with Eevee. I wish we had more diverse Blender benchmarks vs just Cycles. There is a ton of work that goes into 3D before we ever hit that render button.

[@mosesdavid5536]

cr23 has gpu benchmark?