Ifa / Santeria / Lukumi Exposing the Truth about Godparents, Mentors and Guides: Our Roots Podcast

[@melted77]

That happens with therapists/counselors too. When someone shows up and tells me how terrible their last therapist was, I am very cautious.

[@locsalkey2594]

Baba seems to put the majority of responsibility on the initiate. Poroye seems more realistic. A lot of problems in the houses is greed. In the old ways it was unheard of for a Awo to have hundreds of Godchildren. It was more centered because godparents was considered a responsibility to their crown. Exhorbent fees was considered immoral. Not everyone was admitted freely into the religion. It was a process. Again people who come to Ifa are seeking it is a wise and moral Baba who should discern and not let money influence their decisions.

[@elvissantiago727]

I was with my Godmother at 16 and found her 20 years later 1100 miles away, when I was going thru things in life. We didn’t miss a beat! Love her ❤

[@sovereignministry77]

It’s hard to not feel alone, you two are amazing 🕊️🙏🏽

[@ReneeAnon-ebooks-music]

This was very good. This is not a western system of entitlement, but it requires self-motivation, humility and awareness.

[@JosephBabaIfa]

Yes

[@dcdominicana]

Iboru, Iboya, Ibocheche and Bendicion! Thank you for providing this VALUABLE information! This totally resonates with me. I have already shared this podcast with others because they need to hear the real deal on what is going on out here, expectations and so forth. Continued to be blessed!

[@JosephBabaIfa]

Wonderful! Thank you for sharing!

[@DianaRodriguez-pe8mp]

And the lesson here is godchildren shouldn’t speak negatively about their previous godparents BUT also the godparents shouldn’t speak negatively about the godchildren they had. We can’t curse what we once have blessed. To iba eshu. ❤❤❤

[@JosephBabaIfa]

Thank you so much for tuning in!

[@DianaRodriguez-pe8mp]

Of course anytime! Thank you so much for your teachings.❤❤❤

[@DianaRodriguez-pe8mp]

Thanks to your teachings I now have my guardian angel Elegua crowned on my head. To Iban Eshu! 😊❤❤❤

[@michellebailey4366]

I appreciate the honesty in this video. You both were very clear as always about the topic. That said, with all due respect Baba Joseph, it seems the onus for dissolution of relationships between godparents and godchildren is being placed primarily on the godchild. I don’t think you’re taking into consideration just how horrible godparents can be. I love your podcast because you and your wife are an anomaly in this culture. You’re about doing what is right and for the betterment of people and their evolution. You’re both extremely communicative and mature. This again isn’t normal, not as far as I’ve seen or experienced. I do agree that for godchildren shouldn’t speak badly about their experience with a godparent, but when these godparents commit heinous evil acts, they should be put on blast and ostracized from the community. Personally speaking, I’ve had issues with godparents trying to sleep with me. I don’t know what I’m doing to constantly experience this but these priests need to get their stuff together. When I received my Kofa, during the reading I recall one priest god fixated on what I liked sexually. This is during my ceremony. I don’t know what letter he saw or why this was to speak on or voice out loud. I was embarrassed and neither my godfather or the other babalaos put a stop to it. I had one godparent that I learned later who had only goddaughters and slept with ALL of them except me. I left. I’ve experienced this with babalaos, Santeros, and Paleros. Then there’s one who as far as I’m concerned played a hand in the death of my mother due to ill advice and thievery. This babalao charged my mother an astronomical amount to receive Olokun and he and his wife took my mother to the ocean at night, cleaned her and put the things that he cleaned her with back in the turine. There was no Oba present, none of what the process of receiving this orisha entailed was done. He and his wife simply cleaned her and sent her home with a turine and told her she had Olokun. My mother had cancer. My mother was lighting candle to this thing in her home with my siblings and nephew. She went back into the hospital after that ceremony and never left. If I didn’t have a child to take care of, believe me when I say I would’ve willingly to go to prison for unaliving this man and his wife. It will be ten years since my mother’s passing and I’m just as angry when I think about it. I pray Obatala never place me in the presence of this man or his wife because I honestly don’t know what I’d do to either of them. This is what some godchildren are dealing with. The culture is not filled with honorable people like you and your wife. It’s filled with vultures, egos, immorality. Experiences like this cause mistrust. It is the main reasons why I haven’t crowned Obatala as of yet. I truly despise most of people and don’t trust them. So, I hold my corner and mind my business. I’m a straight forward no nonsense kind of person. I have no time for BS. I pray to get over my disdain with most in the religion so that I can complete my spiritual path with Obatala, but it’s going to take a lot on my part. To those who are able to find good honest people to mentor and crown them, they’re blessed because it really isn’t that easy for some of us.

[@nessrivera4566]

I can't express how much we appreciate the info you put out with such care and detail. Thank you for THE great KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM you choose to share and speak of.

[@Abundanc3beats]

Incredible conversation. Wheww that story about the godchild striking his godparent hit me to the core of my heart. Great illustration of how ego leads you to ruin. This information is so imperative for beginners like me that are feeling the call but wanting to move very carefully and feel fully informed before making any decisions. I will be sharing this with every beginner I meet. I thank you both for your transparency and openness.

[@FamiliaUnidaenIFA]

Iboru, iboya, ibocheche. This is amazing. Very clear, concise and beautifully said. Thank you. Ill be sharing with many of my god children and my religious house. I have kariocha(yemaya) 7 years, and i appreaciated this so video very much.

[@jennyd_]

🥳The best Padrino anyone could ask for ! Love this video !

[@donnamoongoddess927]

I really, really enjoyed this and wanted it to keep going! Thank you both for speaking so candidly and about so many aspects of the godparent/godchild relationship. Much love and respect.💖🌘

[@divinelove4683]

You two are so amazing I’m so glad that I was lead to your content . You have opened my eyes and answered a lot of questions that has been on my mind heavy… Thank you so much ❤

[@healingtiasway5501]

I needed to see this for so many reasons. Thank you both!

[@dmoneytv9758]

Iboro iboya ibosheshe going thru the podcasts and I love the honesty here !!!🙌

[@aberashel9941]

Greetings, thanks for everything!

[@Baby_Locs]

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. I desperately needed this.

[@inframeconsulting1898]

She’s amazing #goals 💛 ❤Erica

[@jodimcguirelpn]

my wife and I are initiates of Ifa, I am hije de Yemaya and she is daughter of Chango

[@jayc15000]

Salute to yall. This podcast helps me a lot on my path.

[@velana981]

Finally, it's laid out straight!

[@shadowofwolves777]

A’se my beautiful family Olodumare blessings to you and your family Bendicion Iboru iboya ibosheshe Bendición

[@kweenliquidwatasb360]

Aboru Aboye Abosise.. wonderful podcast as always. 😊

[@jshorter3303]

As a priest of Esu of 12 years (aborisha for 8 years prior), I have seen some things. Whereas I appreciated this podcast, I feel like a lot of responsibility of "respect" is put on the godchild and the mutual respect of the Godparent to the Godchild is not emphasized. There is so much about this subject that needs to be explored, and kudos to you for being brave enough to tackle this subject. But, to my chagrin, I've seen a lot of good Godchildren torn down and disrespected by elders- good people who cared about this faith, the Orisha, and carrying the tradition forward to only be nickel and dimed for everything, asked to purchase things outside of their ceremonial fees (even if it was not their ceremony), taking on personal expenses of the godparent- and made to feel like it is their responsibility to take care of every need of the godparent. It becomes a 'cult' and not a faith and in these situations the godparent becomes greater than the Orisha. So what do you say to that??? I'm sorry, but I am just a little tired of the over emphasis of staying true to Godparents that treat their Godchildren in this way. So what happens? The Godchild stays getting abused, misused, and mistreated all in the name of Orisha- meantime they are not getting taught, directed, or guided, nor are they being mentored to fulfill their destiny. I need to someone to approach that in honesty. It is not always a "forever and always" relationship- and though I found this podcast to be helpful, this subject of mistreatment and the REAL responsibility of the godparent, because people are becoming godparents and have not idea of that responsibility. This podcast focused way too much on this deference to godparents- but it is the children that carry the legacy forward- and enough emphasis is not placed on that. I would encourage you to speak on this, and have various godchildren to discuss their experience to provide a more unbiased standpoint.

[@a.ashonhill1717]

So am I doomed for life, because there is NO reconciliation possible for me and my Padrino? What about when you no longer trust or feel safe with the person who initiated you? What about when the priest disrespects you and views you as a business transaction, and treats you as such? I need help!🙏🏾

[@JosephBabaIfa]

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[@thewatsons6112]

Iboru Iboye Ibosheshe Baba. I love this topic Baba. Can you speak on what Ifá says about the importance of the relationship between Children and Parent relationships over all. Not necessarily God Parents and God Children But the responsibility of Blood Parents to their children and children to their parents. Thank you in Advance Baba.

[@BigMike3683]

Never Had the "uncomfortable conversation" and NOW I'm in the "uncomfortable situation" 😢😅, I'm able to find humor in my time of confusion because You Hermano y Hermana have set me Straight with this really AMAZING description of what is needed on both sides. I am a not crowned and have a wife🇵🇷 who questions everything and Our Padrino and Madrina see it as disobedience/disrespect but if she was told like this....she would immediately get it I feel. We Love and Trust Los Padrinos just didn't know all this info. Thank You Thank You Thank You🫡🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿!! Los Santos Bendice Siempre y Muchas Prosperidad🙏🏿

[@Simone-ol8ul]

Patience in your journey ❤

[@yasmingomez1984]

Thank you for the knowledge. ❤❤

[@jodimcguirelpn]

BTW I love that you both speak of reincarnation, I lost my son 2 years ago and his twin sister was pregnant at the time, my son was a child of chango and this new baby is a child of chango, I love learning from you guys

[@JosephBabaIfa]

Congratulations on the new addition, thank you for supporting the channel!

[@alexismariewheeler1901]

Def needed this as I’ve been thinking of initiating and wanting to really understand the mentorship of Padrinos. I actually met with someone but felt something was off so I didn’t initiate!

[@AExoticalsPerspective]

Thank you so much for who you are.

[@paulasparks]

This was such a crucial session. Thank you both for breaking things down.

[@rubylioness727]

I really appreciate this. I have been trying to come into an understanding of this practice. I feel drawn to Ifa. But like many of us in US with ancestors who were enslaved here, I just do not know enough about this but I am trying to learn about our ancestral practices and belief system. I have stories from my grandparents and stuff but they were all Christians and in Islam.

[@InherAlchemy]

Great conversation.

[@donnamoongoddess927]

Ooo Yes, great topic! Looking forward! I’m loving all of these.💖🌘

[@cfrazer772]

Bendiciones! Thank you for this one🤍

[@nathaliecorchado2242]

ugh i love you guys..she seems amazing.

[@JosephBabaIfa]

She truly is, thank you for watching

[@LadyCoyKoi]

It is teachers teaching teachers to improve the education system and further the idea of academics, except in this case it is within spiritualism and life guidance to improve ones life from a spiritual stand point and passing on the knowledge of the household traditions. In the education system, it is said it is like Santeria/Lucumi/Ifa/etc it cost money to maintain and keep at it... and I agree Baba in that if you fail the exam you will be charge higher the second or third time around. The education system is the same. To get a certification in education, lets say for teaching Social Sciences it is $250 first time around and there afterwards retakes are over $350 each. As someone with two degrees in teaching and four certification and 4 endorsements in the education profession, I totally get what you and Erica Oshun state here. We have the same thing in the education system with the pricing system and how mentorship works. Though recently, in the last four years, I am disappointed with how the public school systems are being managed and dealing with mentorship poorly, as it don't make sense to me. I come to found out through family ties there are other forms of educators in this world and it doesn't always involve being condescending or vindictive to get to the position of that as a master teacher or professor. Finding the right mentor and guiders is very important to be a successful teacher. What I love about this path is how I can be as patience as I want to be and not be criticized or made fun of for it and the people I am connected with are just as patience and attentive. Thank you you for this amazing video. ASE! 🥰🙏

[@jaygrizzly88]

Iboru iboya ibosheshe. Many blessings to you. My humble imput: WE WANT ESPIRITISMO PT2 LOL Love you guys, keep up the great work. Poroye is awesome

[@donnamoongoddess927]

I 2nd wanting a part two!💖🌘

[@morgenmorgen4625]

My mother used to tell me that money is energy. You have to have an even exchange of energy if you're doing the work. Charity is great sometimes but you have to guard your self from being delpeted

[@worldwideecherlon8811]

I admit I use To be a house hoper before I got initiated and found my baba due to the fact that things just didn’t add up in certain spaces example how I’m the child of oduduwa but u want to crown me obatala or how a baba try to sell me things that I don’t need or the fact that ogun and ochosie lives in one space but it’s only 1 yangie inside it was situations like those that didn’t sit with my ori and I was led to move around. So let’s normalize when we are being taking advantage of please people don’t be afraid to learn the basics before going in to anything don’t walk into nothing blinding cause u may find your self moving later on

[@olgamendez9682]

Iboru Oluo, you sound great when you speak IFA. Give us more on your interpretation of oddun.

[@feliciaabel2687]

I learned alot !!!! 💯

[@JuMPDesigns]

Dang, someone popped off at me(a iyawo) and now they haven't called, haven't been to the ile in months and her ocha deadline is passing by and it seems like her initiation plans have been put on the wayside....The same person tho, was utilizing our madrina for EVERYTHING, "madrina can you make my covid test appointment" "madrina can I drop the kids off" "madrina can I use the car" "what's for dinner madrina". No derechos, always wants a first plate of food, always "too tired" to help with much of anything.....Maferefun Elegba for closing that door! And hopefully if he opens it back up she'll be ready....

[@vincentramos804]

I've had an experience with 2 different Oni-Oni Yemaya children. One female one male. First time it was rushed, off balanced, street based, stuck up weird people. Second time it felt like the person really didn't care and also rushed. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@defensivemagick]

This was a great topic! I come from a bloodline of Santos/ Paleros who most no longer practice after being in America. However, I think there is a huge imbalance on both sides. Majority of Palo/Ifa houses are filled with huge egos, power/control, scandals, addictions, sex trafficking, puppets by manipulation/curses, jealousy, envy, competition, lack of information/knowledge/wisdom/teaching, & exploitation!!!! Oh the men are patriarchal on the Lukumi side, lack of respect for women, & still in 2022 tell women they can’t know most information because it’s only privy to Babawos etc…odu is feminine! Most houses act more like cults then open & honesty! Right before I completely abandoned the Cuban side, I had a reading with Joseph . The reading was amazing, he was the first I had met that was younger & had more wisdom, Ase for divination, right procedures, then most 20-50 year elders. Joseph is skilled in divination, & without books. I abandoned Ifa after experiencing so much spiritual attacks from my so called elders, & spiritual siblings!!! I am not mad at them, actually thank them all! I learned exactly who my destiny odu is!!! Even my exit to completely depart, was in my destiny-Odu! I’m all about honor, devotion, & respect…but it wasn’t until I left completely even the Isese side that I made peace to know that religion wasn’t my path! You have to know that everyone has a destiny & fate! I am more spiritual then most & anytime I walk into a room of Orishas/Palo/Egun they all speak, show, & tell me things. It never fails. No matter which way you go you will get there. Its no one’s job to judge your destiny or karma. They can help or destroy it’s all divine order. Every moment. . Had I not had Palero’s etc…attacking my life spiritually I wouldn’t be at the level i am now to completely defend myself and have the power of Orisha inside of me, instead of in a pot, prenda, or nganga. Everyone isn’t meant to have a master! There is a messiah in every bloodline, who comes to effect change! I will forever be grateful & give to those who at least open there doors to me when I was under attack spiritually by my very own spiritual house, without cause. Ase,

[@locsalkey2594]

So true

[@defensivemagick]

@@locsalkey2594 The biggest problem with all religion (Manmade laws) is FREEDOM & ignorance, whether born into it or not! Then humans use morality to try to dictate or justify why they know best, why you should fear them, why their will rules over yours?! Nothing about RELIGION is freedom, it is very slavish, cult-like. Slave On every aspect that claims structure & foundation & I’m no slave: mentally, physically, or spiritually, that’s a HUGE problem for any awakened or EVOLVED soul! In my studies & practice of law, this is why the so called government who are really US corporation & all judges and attorneys are not citizens of America, this is why they have to give you redemption and/or remedy in law- whether tax, criminal, equity, or civil law! Yet they subject you to massive amounts of fear ,control tactics, and enslaving of your mind to ensure you remain a slave, disconnected from being a living soul- the constitution (created by men) exist for them to keep you a slave…RELIGION is no difference: all laws were made -with the sole purpose of keeping you a slave! Only the Supreme Court justices rules on sovereign powers….. Beyond GREED, yet we are suppose to trust these people with titles, agendas, superiority complexes: Babalawos, priests, judges, attorneys etc with our spirit: giving them the power to control our spiritual power, energy, currency, & fate at the root??? When God/ goddess is within giving us dominion over all, not just on earth?

[@defensivemagick]

@Sean Livingston thank you

[@locsalkey2594]

@@defensivemagick You speak of Freedom but Freedom in its true form is subjective. I think maybe you are speaking of liberties within a system of governing rules. The key word is discipline. Religion was enacted to serve the disconnect between God and man. However, man being a lower level anima does not always have the desires of higher order of spirit. In addition man does not always walk in the light. Granted you must have self awareness which gives way to spiritual elevation if destiny is manifest within. However, how is the earthly body grounded? To what belief? All Religions are beautiful and are coded for a better way of earthly existence. In turn your spiritual will elevate. However, it is the corrupt nature of man that promotes different translations and interpretation of religions purity to suit the purpose of those who claim to be spiritual leaders. If reading the Odu's, the Bible, the Vedic Scriptures or the Quaran to name a few you see the beauty of its wisdom. Your own discernment should instruct reading. The laws does not seek morality but justice. The same with religion, it does not seek justice but provides the groundwork for morality in so doing man would have no need for justice or the carnal law. In that essence he will be truly free.

[@defensivemagick]

@@locsalkey2594 peace. What do you mean that freedom is subjective? I agree with some of the things you state here following the undercurrents. Great dialogue.

[@qianaharvey34]

This was very educational. I appreciate you both, I've been introduced to this a year ago and would like to study and grow in this spiritual journey. I would really love your help.

[@JosephBabaIfa]

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[@Nio-o7m]

Like where do you even find ppl. I’ve been looking for a community for a year.

[@kwesiadagba5626]

I appreciate this video,

[@JosephBabaIfa]

We appreciate your viewership

[@ERios]

I live in Katy, Texas how do I find a Godparent in my area? I am so very new to this.

[@BrownDevil]

Thank you, this was very informative. I know you both are extremely busy, so I understand if you are unable to reply. You touched on having that uncomfortable conversation about finances, and I agree it is a topic that should be touched on. But how would I broach the subject? I absolutely want to want to remain respectful, and not accidentally offend. Thank you again, we loved your Live this past Sunday, and can't wait until March!

[@JosephBabaIfa]

As long as we are honest and respectful there is no way to offend

[@BrownDevil]

@@JosephBabaIfa thank you Baba, it wasn't painful whatsoever. He actually brought it up himself.

[@jodimcguirelpn]

can you do a discussion on Ifa and homosexuality

[@ifalekeedwards]

Good evening Joseph Baba IFA . I made some ebo for some work I need to happen and I have not seen the result from that ebo. What is the next step I need to take?

[@JosephBabaIfa]

To schedule a consultation please call us at 4074402086, thank you for watching!

[@ifalekeedwards]

@@JosephBabaIfa okay will do

[@plutodrvv]

Anytime there is an equal relationship there needs to be caution. Humans are human and power can corrupt. As with any endeavor there are good and bad players. The problem is lack of transparency and clear cut mentor/mentee bill of rights and potential conflict of interest (i.e., money, egotism, sexism, homophobia, personal politics and discrimination). I'm from Miami and have seen a lot.

[@rafaelhue3824]

ba , i have one question , is there a special ceremony that a priest should take or received before he or she can do a animal sacrifice ? thank you rafa pls reply

[@YoshiReigns]

Ase!

[@chachita369]

Facts but all the time energy that goes into each God child must be considered. However, caution must be considered and there has been many complications come with bad or rushed initiations. We all live by the fruits of our labor, cheaper and faster is not always best.

[@rubylioness727]

What is the difference between initiation and being a devotee ,i.e. “church goer” “house member”? Or is it the same?

[@JosephBabaIfa]

To be a real devotee you must be initiated

[@rubylioness727]

@@JosephBabaIfa okay I understand. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and wisdom on this podcast.

[@JosephBabaIfa]

@@rubylioness727 the pleasure is all ours Ty for watching

[@Goddessvibes35]

I’ve been binge watching you and in one of your vids you stated, “women in Lucumi can’t become a priest or Iyanifa correct?” Is your wife in another tradition other than Lucumi to be able to have Godchildren? Love the videos btw.

[@JosephBabaIfa]

Women can achieve the level of priestess in the Lukumi tradition via the position of Iyalorisa, which is what my wife is making her eligible to initiate others and have godchildren. The Iyanifa position is the one we do not facilitate.

[@Goddessvibes35]

@@JosephBabaIfa Understood! Thanks for the reply!

[@atlanteanproductions5330]

I really wish I could get into the culture and meet people in it but this doesn't exist where I live 😅

[@dominicanamariposa21]

How do I receive the hand of ifa and godparents??

[@JosephBabaIfa]

app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=24565265 Schedule a consultation to begin the process Thank you for watching

[@rafaelhue3824]

aboru aboye abosise baba , i have one question , is there a special ceremony that a priest should take or received before he or she can do a animal sacrifice ? thank you rafa

[@JosephBabaIfa]

Crowning or doing Ifa

[@Shango_IFA]

Do you suppose to be present when feeding your orisha or don’t haft to be present

[@JosephBabaIfa]

Depends on the circumstances

[@sindymendez1359]

Ase’🙏🏽

[@justiceearth9702]

Can a person practice this religion and other religions at the same time?

[@JosephBabaIfa]

Yes

[@g.h1813]

My friend's 47 year old husband requested a brand new 29 year old iyanifa from facebook to be his godmother. She says she can tell he has a crush on his godmother. He has liked and hearted many of her older provacatuve pics that she still has posted on her page. What is your oppiniom on this relationship? Thanks

[@JosephBabaIfa]

Ifa and orisha relationships are best kept platonic

[@g.h1813]

Thank you for responding. Some are saying in these situations, a man should have a godfather over him and a woman should have a godmother over her for obvious reasons.

[@elmodomc]

Ashé

[@rashedavis6566]

Asé

[@hammer1794]

You shoulders and arms are looking huge, brutha

[@math8351]

Ache

[@melicinomarcelini444]

Ase

[@defensivemagick]

All indigenous cultures are tribal! The biggest problem with religion (Manmade laws) is FREEDOM & IGNORANCE whether born into it or not! Nothing about RELIGION is freedom, it is very slavish, cult-like. Slave On every aspect that claims structure & foundation & I’m no slave: mentally, physically, or spiritually, that’s a HUGE problem for any liberated or EVOLVED soul! Once I left even Isese side, I found so much more about my odu, and destiny. After leaving, I vowed to myself that I would never ever join another house. I just connect with different traditions of indigenous ppl all over the world & practice spirituality, not religion. If you are in position to leave, GO!!! And be sure about it, make sure you try your best to depart on good terms. If that isn’t possible, make sure you have a heart to heart with the Orishas/Palo. Release yourself from the bondage of fear, curses, evil eyes & curses on those who try to intimidate you or tell you you are going to die or try to execute their will over yours etc….clear any debts as best you can….I tell you this by experience. I left never joined another house and carry on through fellowship & culture experiences. I’ve met Babalawo, Oreta’s, & all types of elders who have retired their Orishas because of the wickedness & greed tied to human nature.

[@Imaneprince111]

JESUS IS LORD OF lords!!! JOHN 10:10 the thief comes to steal ☠️ and destroy “…

[@JosephBabaIfa]

Oh my

[@ericaperalta2185]

Omg not even Christian think like you girl! I was mislead with Christianity.

[@dylangrace1570]

Jesus is my one and only savior! No ocean demon can rule over me thru Jesus holy power!