Iflight Defender 25 DJI O3 FPV Cinewhoop - A 250g Avata Alternative ?

[@gammagonad1657]

I do think it is for the most part very well executed overall. On the contrary it is very fragile, as every review that I have seen where it has been decently crashed, the ducts and legs have been broken. The other big thing is the PRICE. Subtract the cost of the air unit and you are paying $330 for a brittle plastic frame, 4 motors, flight controller, and a battery. Doesn’t really add up to me. What is it, maybe $100 cheaper than the Avata without all of the precision GPS and other advanced technology. Of course a lot of that technology can be annoying, but I just don’t feel you’re getting as much for your money. They made a dumb Avata, which is less durable, and are almost charging the same price. I actually might prefer this over the Avata, if it were more durable, but not at that price point.

[@Chidoc]

sub 250 premium.... needs more competion

[@glaucobaiocchi]

Thanks for the great vídeo!! It's being compared to Avata because it's great fancy design. However, don't you think it should be compared to other cinewhoops link the new Cinebot 30 or Cinelogs??

[@flyingdutchmanfpv]

I agree Apples and Pears

[@NorthEastFPV]

agree

[@andyukraine]

Btw, iFlight opened official store in Austria. So it's possible to order drone with faster shipping from Europe.

[@MatCron]

Thanks for the video. This drone looks like a DJI related, which not what usually FPV go for. If you force me to go for a specific battery that's already a -60%. It may flight well, just don't like the way is offered to the huge FPV public. As always Thanks to IAN for great videos he does for the community.

[@azixaka]

Very high standard review, Ian. Thank you. There is something however that Avata has that nothing else does - it's the head tracking feature. You can look in any direction and the drone will just keep going straight! This is a futuristic feature that I haven't seen anywhere else. To be honest, all iFlight products tend to be of a superior quality, whatever they make - bnfs, fcs, esc, frames... The Defender is no exception - a solid product with great support and always an option to just build that exact model out of the parts available on their web site.

[@FPV-TV419]

Mine cracked dropping 18 inches onto concrete.... and another 2 times with other minor bumps. Its a shame the frame is weak .. and even for sub250g .. it is weak. Because it flies incredibly well! And I actually really like the battery ... something satisfying about the click in / out simplicity

[@maro0016]

Thank you for your view!Betaflight drones have advantages (handling & tuning options) and disadvantages (limited RTH or none, dumb batteries, …)

[@enlightened9538]

Yes I bought one and yes is blooming great, I love it, best whoop I’ve ever had. Great vid.

[@Jonners]

Love your videos, thanks so much for helping us on fb yesterday with my o3 binding issue

[@nicholns]

Thank you. I wish I find this video earlier. It is extremely helpful on my vtx switch issue.

[@imagin311]

I recently got this drone and love it. I did already get damage to the duct and have ordered a few replacement because I don't think I'll only have to change it out once.

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic flying and review, Ian! 😃 Pretty interesting quad indeed! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@deice3]

I imagine you could 3d print a sleeve for normal 4S batteries, that hooks into the "claws" the same as iFlight batteries. The power switch for the O3 air unit seems convenient, could put it on same switch as prearm, and save some headaches with overheating.

[@MadRC]

Yea I don’t use pre arm but that’s a nice idea.

[@NomadicVanman]

The Avata or my mini 3 pro will not turn on near an airport. Will this drone with dji gps and dji controller 2 have those same restrictions, or will it fly right near an airport, with dji setup.

[@MadRC]

Generally FPV drones line this do not have any NFZ or restrictions like the DJI ones however I will say that it’s never a good idea to fly near any airport so while you could with this you should follow all local laws.

[@kazudrone1098]

This is a great cinewhoop. Congratulations for this vídeo. Its very important informations for all.

[@isavv_]

Thank you for the amazing review!! one question about goggles 2! do you happen to see any dead pixels in goggles 2? I have 5-6 dead pixels in my goggles 2 but are very tiny.. I don't know if it's common and if it's better to return them or live with it as it might be riskier to get an even worse unit..

[@wearemany73]

I'm digging it, there are some nice little design features. DJI quality FPV with a nice ciniwhoop feel seems like a superb idea.

[@WhatYouDRONE]

Have you upgraded the Betaflight on your Defender 25? I did and lost the light on the back for the battery power I have looked for months and also installed GPS that doesn't work on 4.4. I tried to downgrade the firmware, but I think I'm doing something wrong. (new Betaflight user) it feels like it is a drone that's come and gone.

[@tosvus]

How is the price justified? DJI puts out the Avata that for almost the same price has gps, better camera, sensors, etc - and can do things like head tracking. Is this much faster? Is rhe range better? Does it really do something the Avata can't do in manual mode with fpv controller rather than motion controller? Curious..

[@sonofthenoobsakadodododo6179]

its sub 250g

[@tosvus]

@@sonofthenoobsakadodododo6179 I can afford the 5 bucks for the paperwork.

[@SilverFox80521]

Thanks for the review. This whoop phase has me wondering…what’s with all the whoops lately. They don’t fly as well as open prop and yet it’s what all the noobs start with. I feel like it needs to be said more often, if you need prop guards then a whoop is the tool but it comes at a cost of performance. And if you don’t need a whoop and you want a good flying drone, forget this pos and get an open prop quad.

[@chrisnrs354]

hey mads , do you reckon that these iFlight quads are only worth being flown with ELRS or Crossfire? I have a controller 2 and wanted to use it but weary because of all the issues surrounding it. what do you have to say about the matter? any current updates ?

[@MadRC]

Tbh on small quads it’s fine. But anything remotely long range or flying where it may not come back then it’s ELRS or Crossfire. If your just bando bashing or flying where it’s not out of reach then DJI is fine.

[@chrisnrs354]

@@MadRC That makes sense! Much appreciated ! one last thing, could you give insight on how to connect the RC2 with a drone that has crossfire or elrs installed ? I am going to order a crossfire Nazgul with but the tango2 is currently backordered so i plan to fly using the RC2 until the tango is in

[@FlyZoneFpv]

Good breakdown Ian . Thanks for all you do 👊🏻👍🏻

[@DavidOwensuk]

Great video Ian, thank you!

[@loicader56]

Thanks for this video. Is it possible to have a video on the Betaflight 4.4 update of the Defender 25?

[@simonrcfpv2597]

Mads Tech , hi thanks for your video , I buy the new google 2 of Dji but the hack doesn’t work with the new firmware do you have another trick for unlocked my google ? Thanks a lot for your help ! My google are on 01.04.00 firmware

[@enriquefabregatplaza9961]

Thank you very much for the video and for your work, I would like to know where to buy the leds that you have put on it, thank you

[@MadRC]

They were fitted by Iflight. They should have them on their site.

[@Photonees]

Thoughts on the 15W of the O3 going trough the FC and gyro noise?

[@Toaster808]

Is there any way a company will ever be able to make the O3 units work with DJI's motion controller?

[@RobertSmith-wj7zf]

I’m new at this but isn’t this drone 1 g overweight, requiring registration?

[@fpvgiggles]

This or cinebot30?

[@baggszilla]

Yup lol same as Dobo! He crashed in a tree and had to buy a pole and a ladder to get it out. Upon its decent to the ground he cracked his duct too! Trees are dicks! Cheers!

[@MountaineerFPV]

Im at 400usd on willingness to buy scale. Otherwise, iFlight rocks 🤘🔥

[@Yaveren]

Can these use the rc remote 2?

[@samsegars8047]

If they made some clear ducks the leds would look amazing.

[@dronesrj403]

Any power supply to a nacked camera?

[@MadRC]

Not built in but you could solder to the pads easily.

[@NorthEastFPV]

less features than the avata , but more money than a avata , good points you can use other batteries more good points -------------------- i do like it but not at that price , better off putting money into a avata for fun flying then using 5" for anything else

[@justintero34]

Hi. I stupidly wiped the Defender 25 Betaflight configuration. I can't find the default one online anywhere. Would you or anyone else here have it by any chance. Would be much appreciated.

[@MadRC]

Yea you will need to upload the preset from the Iflight GitHub. I covered this on a live stream but the GitHub is here.

[@MadRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXOTk3qjeZ2lp7M

[@justintero34]

Thanks for that. I can't find the Defender one there. Do I use another?

[@MoppelMat]

no word about flying time?

[@MadRC]

Yea after the edit was finished I realised I did not mention this. It’s on par with other manufactures numbers ie the stated spec is a stretch , depending on battery and payload it’s 3-5 minutes on the 500mah.

[@MoppelMat]

@@MadRC thanks!

[@awesomein360tiagowolf4]

For me no more avatas... I'm going ifilght all the way

[@jessegarcia4224]

Since this doesn't have all the safety features like the Avata does that mean this won't commit suicide if you make sharp left turns? Mine killed itself after only 16 days of owning it and now I just have the goggles 2 and DJI fpv controller 2. Looking for a better drone then the avata. Could this be an option? I'm new to fpv kzbin.info/www/bejne/gF7JfmespseUaqc

[@tosvus]

Give this man an award. Killing the Avata is pretty impressive, lol

[@jasonleesuffolk]

Seems stupid that the camera can't be moved ?

[@pixeldude1335]

Der Defender ist ein überteuertes Plastikglomb und nicht annähernd eine Konkurenz für die Avata.

[@Ipsissimus]

Incredibly over-priced in Europe. Pity, I would have got one.

[@moozerfpv3720]

Overpriced Tat. Learn to build = build you're own cheaper + better

[@gingerdude94]

Like everything else these days, it's just too expensive. Pass.

[@MadRC]

There is no question things are expensive these days.