IFR ILS Approach to Minimums KPAO-KSAC

IFR training flight in IMC from KPAO to KSAC, ILS 02 approach at minimums, 17 kts tailwinds, with instructor Mark Erwin (www.mark1aviation.com) in the right seat. If you just want to see the landing you can find it here: • My First ILS Approach ...

[@sumdog747]

Would recommend not using "VS" in climbs. If you have high Density Altitude and try to establish a specific FPM climb, the GFC700 will continue to try and hold it risking you getting too slow. Should be better practice to climb with FLC and set a desired airspeed and not risk getting close to stall speeds

[@jonnydwolf]

Additionally, prior to turning on the autopilot, have your mode and altitude climb settings setup.

[@chubakabrah]

On the instrument approach, I've always remembered PHAC... PHAK is the Pilots Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge but PHAC is also easy to remember for the approach. P-osition (N390DM, 2 miles north of the field) H-eading (Turn heading 320) A-ltitude (Maintain 2000 feet until established) C-learance (Cleared for the instrument approach) Hope that helps. Freakin love this video. You can almost learn everything you need in this one video lol! Great instructor and beautiful aircraft. Keep posting!

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Matthew Shaffer Thanks for the advice and thank you for watching. Stay tuned.

[@SuperDoublebogey]

Matthew Shaffer B.B. has it really good and

[@jpp0901]

What a great acronym. I've never heard of that one, and I'll be using it for sure! Thank you, Matthew....@norcal flyer great video, and as noted, I felt I was right there with you guys flying this approach. One of the best videos I've seen on youtube. Need more like this please! :)

[@doctimw]

Matthew I too do something similar, Once on final after I have finished GUMP (gas,undercarriage, mixture, prop) I then repeat HAL. Heading, Altitude, Looking for: ex. Minimum, MAP, timing, etc.

[@Mr_Bones.]

6 years later and this is still great advice! Thank you!

[@capdink]

Excellent. Don't look at me, just ask. Most of them get scared to ask if they don't understand. Awesome video.

[@adamspringer2442]

What a great video and Instructor and pilots!

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thank you for watching. This was one of the most interesting and fun training flights ever.

[@billr8667]

Good student-instructor communication. Thanks for posting.

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[@UTarcher72]

great video, very helpful. Getting ready for my IFR check ride and this helped.

[@urbanturbine]

That was a sweet ride down to minimums. Enjoyed it a lot, being a current IFR student myself.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching.

[@mtrevor]

For the final approach clearance, remember PTAC (Position, Turn, Altitude, Clearance). "4 miles from FAF, turn right heading 360, maintain 2000 until established, cleared ILS RWY 2."

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks!

[@bluehornet6752]

Aviation is too full of acronyms. I've been an instructor/instrument instructor for years, and I find that I pretty much need an acronym to remember which acronym to use.

[@wills2954]

What a great educational video please make more IFR videos and if you can also put a split screen to show how the instructor plugs in the GPS. 🙌🏽🔥

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching.

[@stefanobentivegna]

outstanding video! I'm a couch pilot (flight sim), but this is another story, the scariest real world! Great approach and landing! Greetings from Italy

[@EricThePilot]

Excellent, thanks for making the video, it really helps me with my IFR training.

[@olliehouse9459]

Hey man, nice video. I'm a private pilot flying the same plane on the other side of the continent! Wanna start IFR training soon. Liked and subscribed!

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Ollie House Thanks for watching and subscribing. I am halfway through my IFR training hours. I have more video but just haven't had a chance to edit and post them. Will try to do so. Good luck with your IFR training.

[@crooked-halo]

I'm a commercial/instrument pilot but just getting back in the cockpit after a 20 year hiatus & don't have much IMC time. So, clearance gave you a route, which you went to the trouble of copying/reading back, but departure amended with a much different, but simpler direct route, correct? Is this normal, or will your route generally be what you get on the ground?

[@markmartin9346]

Should be teaching hand flying first and then familiarizing with autopilot. Too much reliance on it anymore. Also need to teach being stable at 1,000 feet with on speed, in approach config with flaps and gear and all trimmed out. With that, allyou need to do is manage throttle for glide slope. If go around, it's pitch, power, flaps, positive rate, gear up.

[@michaelesq.atpcfii.9862]

How come the student is not hand flying the approach down to minimums? What if the auto pilot doesn’t work????

[@markherring3513]

I like the comment from the CFI at 10:51 : "Trust the instruments...don't believe what your body is telling you"

[@mygremlin1]

Back around 1987 I was flying a Navajo into DSM, WX was down on the floor I had a hold while a Iowa State plane made several approaches trying to clear a hole through the fog. On the ldg approach I broke out at 50 ft. A very sweatty approach and ldg.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching.

[@Victor-lo4dq]

nice plane!

[@LeonFizziwig]

I always struggled on radio calls I’d always have to make them say it again and again on my solo😂😂

[@mr.fabulous1080]

That feeling when breaking through the bottom of the cloud

[@robertl30]

Good video until someone decided to add music at volume 11 near the end.

[@jrwarner579]

Great Flight ..Learned more from this training ,,Thanks Again!

[@tropicalhunch2802]

"Trust the instruments ..." Drink.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching.

[@davestarr7112]

Very nicely done! I learned a lot. Too many videos like this show only experienced pilots who never make a mistake or need to question anything. If you don't ask, you don't learn. Darn good instructing, thanks.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching.

[@locustvalleystring]

Brings back all the same issues I remember struggling with many years ago on the steam gauges. Thanks for sharing.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching.

[@jeremyhill2243]

That was the best glass panel instrument lesson I’ve ever had. How much do I owe you?

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Glad it was helpful and thank you for watching.

[@guitarTennisCarHomeFixFlying]

Wow i learned on old round gauges back in the 80's, i ll have get on xplane and on msflight sim to get up to date. You flying a 172? U r doing great. Great instructor also! Greensboro NC

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching. This was a video from my IFR training. I was very fortunate have a great instructor.

[@sundarpichai940]

Why the annoying loud music at the end?

[@bricenotcorc632]

Great video for chair flying, thanks for sharing. Very useful

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thank you for watching.

[@Dremekeks]

Awesome to see! This is right near my area, I've flown in KSAC, but been meaning to fly out to KPAO one of these days!

[@svpatl]

wish he was my instructor...he's awesome!

[@tyeman3039]

Great note! Extinguish anything flashing… Already burned in! 😁✌️

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching.

[@cherfieldm]

Thanks, excellent CFI.

[@shufosho]

Hey! I'm also a pilot in the bay area! I'm making a video about the ILS system and I was wondering if I could use a couple seconds of your video where you break out of the clouds and see the runway, I'll link back to this video in the description. Totally cool if not. Cheers!

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Sure. No problem. Send me a link to your video.

[@shufosho]

@@Norcal_Flyer Awesome, thanks. I'm still making it, will send a link when published!

[@OjDidit7700]

My instructor used to bail me out all the time on radio calls. I STRUGGLED when I was solo. Good job making him do the “say again”

[@azcountry6064]

Beautiful job!

[@mrmiller815]

Nice vid. Just seems odd that IFR XC training is happening with a pilot that was apparently very inexperienced with radio coms. Enjoyed the vid!

[@stan8235]

Great video. A lot of information in there. I will be watching several times. Thanks for sharing.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thank you for watching.

[@doctimw]

Learn to hand fly IFR. Use Captain Auto when workload starts getting heavy. If only training ifr with Auto then when Captain Auto shuts down you may not feel as confident as you should.

[@Rover101]

Excellent video, l''m thinking you're probably not a CPL, ATC read backs need work, ALWAYS LISTEN carefully! Turning left means you deduct 20deg from your current HDG not add! Also you're not thinking far enough ahead of the aircraft, that can be deadly in IMC. Your instructor seems good, you'll get there and good luck! Ps/ I know this post may seem harsh but it's tough love as I am a former graded flying instructor. Look forward to more of your vids. Happy flying! :)

[@andyhawaii2819]

Thanks for this great video. I’m getting ready for my instrument check ride and found this to be very helpful. Your instructor is really good at his job.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

I was very lucky to train with Mark. Thanks for watching and good luck on your check ride.

[@christopherjones8025]

Awesome calm instructor

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Christopher Jones Thanks for watching.

[@observer1242]

Really a great video with wonderful insights into what it’s like during a lesson. Good instructor. Seems stressful. Did you ever get your rating?

[@hotprop92]

This video is absolutely a gift, thanks. Great instructor, calm, lots of actual IFR do's and don'ts. Brings me back to when I was going for my instrument rating, but on steam gauges of course. Wish the definition was better so I could read the FPD's better otherwise excellent.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thank you for watching for taking the time to leave a comment. This remains one of my all time favourite flights from IFR training.

[@hotprop92]

@@Norcal_Flyer I can see why. Nothing like breaking out of the clag near mins. Can't say enough good about your instructor. Clear headed, confident, ego at bay, he inspires confidence. Great video, great lesson and BTW great downwind landing on a wet runway.

[@jamesbarsham8892]

It would be nice to be able to read the PFD. Nice video.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

That was always a goal of mine but very difficult to achieve. Thanks for watching.

[@richardacuff4881]

Nice. Thanks for sharing. Which is better (less ambiguous on a scratchy VHF radio): "outta 9 hundred 4 3 thousand" or "9 hundred climbing 3 thousand"?

[@Norcal_Flyer]

I was taught to state my altitude and what I am climbing (or descending) to. Thanks for watching.

[@richardacuff4881]

@@Norcal_Flyer Great. That sounds like a good change from what was in the video, but that was clearly early in your training. I teach my students to state [current altitude] ["climbing" or "descending"] [target altitude].

[@Norcal_Flyer]

@@richardacuff4881 Exactly. Early on in training it didn’t always come out of my mouth in the right order. 🤦‍♂️

[@josephpuhm1487]

From a NorCal approach guy that works that Sac exec sector, that was a cool video!

[@jameswikstrom4174]

Great instructional video on IFR flying. When I watch more sophisticated airplanes fly it all looks so easy with the instrumentation. I consider this rudimentary IFR flying at it's best. I am not a licensed pilot but understood most of your discussion from watching other videos. Loved your interface with your student pilot. You seemed to have a calming affect and made him feel comfortable . Really learned about flying an ILS Approach!

[@pesto12601]

8:19 - you didn't look left ... not a good idea....

[@martinszeliga4568]

Great video, learn so much from the audio.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thank you for watching.

[@petermitchell7607]

Excellent training video.👍 I love flying C172 G1000 and EFB. -happy flying

[@Norcal_Flyer]

@@petermitchell7607 Thanks for watching.

[@ParadigmUnkn0wn]

No uploads in the last 3 years? What happened?

[@kevintalbot5898]

I recorded almost all of my VFR training flights for my own learning and posted them for others to benefit from. I continued when I started with IFR training but I got very busy with work and didn't have time to edit and post. I have a bunch of raw footage (including a SR22T flight from KPAO to KEMT) that I am hoping to edit as soon as I can find the time. Sorry about that.

[@RyanKurrle]

Very nicely done

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thank you for watching.

[@blitznone1142]

Wow! My old Mark IV is ancient!

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching!

[@rdg6552]

Not sure if you had it already setup, but I always have the approach for the airport I'm leaving setup incase I have an emergency and I have to land immediately. Good video!

[@Norcal_Flyer]

That is great advice. I do have that set up. Thanks for watching.

[@CraigBMM]

that synthetic vision is soo cool . makes it alot easier .. nice tech these days for flyers

[@karlapel3748]

Practice practice practice. It’s a handful, but better learn to hand fly it.

[@khanaviation7202]

This video is so beneficial. I could see myself referring back to these videos when it comes time for my own IFR training. Just learning basic radio calls. Amazing work and I like how you're fine with asking for help with the radio calls as opposed to just shooting what ever and making a mistake. Great work :)

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thank you very much for your comments and for watching. I am glad you found this video helpful.

[@shyammohabir8283]

I learn a lot from Instructor Mark Erwin for this video...

[@markoda8455]

I haven't started any IFR training but the thing that scares me the most is all the read backs. I'm afraid that my brain would freeze up. Watching videos like yours helps as I get use to ATC more. Thanks for sharing.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Mark Oda That's what I thought too but it all follows a formula. Just remember what it is was like when you started your PPL, I thought talking to ground was complicated! Thanks for watching.

[@synzcity]

Don't be afraid your brain will lock up. Cuz it will. Trust me. :) It's worth it though. Just takes practice and anticipation of what they are going to say.

[@tabarr1]

It's pretty much all in knowing what to expect ATC to tell you. EXPECT an approach clearance. What does that sound like? ATC does it so much, it seems as if they are in a contest to see how fast they can talk. However, once you've made a few approaches, you'll have it down pat. Just remember, YOU are the boss of the airplane. Tell ATC to slow down if you need them to.

[@paulm5197]

My first instrument instructor taught me to expect information in a certain sequence. When filing I was ready for clearances delivered in that sequence, and in fact wrote down each expected response. It worked.

[@mrjaycam7086]

Hop on live atc and just listen. or continue watching these videos. It'll be second nature in no time.

[@remsmith3233]

Thanks for allowing me to follow you from KPAO to KSAC. I am flying again after many years and I am updating buying a Sierra SR 22T In six months. Sure nice transitioning from IFR flying with round gages and mechanical pointers to a “glass cockpit”, wow.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Congrats on the SR22T. A fantastic plane. I have a few videos flying this plane. Thanks for watching.

[@shaneboulds5240]

Speaking as an air traffic controller, here's an acronym to help new instrument students with being prepared to copy an approach clearance (at least for a precision approach) PTAC P. Position from the final approach fix T. Turn (Heading to fly A. Altitude to maintain C. Clearance Should sound something like this... N12345, five miles from JONIS, turn right heading 3 2 0, maintain 3 thousand until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 35 approach central Wisconsin airport (center controllers give an airport name at the end, approach may not)

[@Norcal_Flyer]

shane boulds Thanks for this. It is helpful to learn the “formula”.

[@brianparkman8183]

Great video. Why did you stop uploading?

[@aleksandardjordjevic4683]

Glad I came to see this video...planning to fly to KSAC on PilotEdge and wasn't sure if that holding pattern depicted on the ILS approach was a required procedure or not! He's doing pretty well for a new instrument student.

[@pboothus]

per approach, "turn 360, maintain 2000 till established on localizer,..." He was vectored/cleared for the approach, so no procedure turn was necessary.

[@jjcool7967]

Nice IFR flight ✈️

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching.

[@alwonner]

Really like the way the pilot and the instructor are interacting. It brings lots of confidence to fly with such instructor. It’s tense but very very good. Very fortunate to have such an instructor! Every minute is worth the money! Thank you for sharing this flight. Alex

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching. A good instructor makes all the difference.

[@AidansAviationAdventures]

excellent instruction , trust those instruments .!

[@livelaughfly3321]

Nice video -- There is a lot going on but you were asking the right questions as a student. It will get easier over time as you get ahead of things and begin to foresee whats coming next (ATC comms, frequency changes, timing of descents, etc..) as well as get more fluent in the avionics. One thing I would say is that when you are waiting for takeoff I like to replay what my immediate next steps are after takeoff (Heading and Alt) and what to do if we lose comms. This flight was long enough that worrying about ATIS on the ground at departure seemed a bit much. Regardless nice work by you and your instructor.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

LiveLaughFly Thanks for the advice and for watching!

[@Bartonovich52]

Why no flaps? A 172 should do 10/20 degrees easily even with a strong wind and it makes the approach and definitely the transition to visual more stable.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Bartonovich52 17kts tail wind and minimums prevented circle to land in the other direction.

[@scottfranco1962]

How many people when he said "you need the autopilot, the workload here gets a litte..." and there was a beep, got the impression that it was bleeping out a bad word?

[@Norcal_Flyer]

That was at about 12:17 into the video. The sound you heard was the G1000 indicating that we were reaching set altitude. Thanks for watching.

[@fabslyrics]

looks like a weather to stay grounded

[@seanevans6901]

big time stressful

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Not so much when you are in the cockpit because you are thinking through the approach. Looks more so after the fact in the video. Thanks for watching.

[@CHESSmaster69SH]

Very good job. I think you’re going to make a fantastic instrument pilot! This video brought back a lot of memories from my IFR training. I never got to do any hard IFR like this though.

[@toddpoole5304]

Nice video. I’d like to see one zoomed in on the PFD if you’re up for it. It was helpful to follow the work flow.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

It is always a toss up to try to focus just on the PFD and/or MFD vs a wider cockpit angle. For these videos I tried to capture cockpit and exterior visuals to play back my training flights. Thanks for watching.

[@charliedagnesses2460]

Excellent instructor. This video is a huge help to me... thanks for the post!

[@Norcal_Flyer]

This was a fantastic flight. I remember it as if it was yesterday. Thanks for watching.

[@thelert]

Nice riding along with you. I thought you weren't going to break out before minimums, great job to you both.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Terry Heick Thanks for watching. It was VERY close.

[@tevinthompson6554]

Did they hear the traffic warning lol

[@RJ9mech]

Very happy to see your instructor stressing what to do next. You will stay ahead of the airplane with habits like this!

[@Norcal_Flyer]

“Staying ahead of the airplane” is key. Thanks for your comment and for watching.

[@opsman56]

Plane type?

[@Norcal_Flyer]

172S

[@stopanimalabuse4741]

great training on how to use the autopilot

[@Rover101]

Why was the active runway not changed? 17kt tail-wind seems a bit silly.

[@garyharper2992]

Probably because the circling minimums to the opposite runway was higher than the ceiling, but I could have missed the circling minimums and the actual ceiling.

[@Reuben-]

Thank you for the video. It looked a little tense, but a fun learning experience.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Reuben More tense on the video after the fact. Thanks for watching.

[@davidhoekje7842]

There's a lot going on there at the end.

[@jherrod561]

Every landing should have happy theme music !!! Love it.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Joseph Herrod Living the dream!

[@terribleTed-ln6cm]

I wish I had him when I was training , I would no doubt be a better pilot than I am today.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Instructor is #1 most important factor in successful training. Thanks for watching.

[@showbizvet]

Nice flight, enjoyed the whole thing

[@ronalddprice6053]

Great educational video, ask, just ask. thank you.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thank you for watching.

[@stevecastro22]

Great instructor and video, thanks for sharing.....

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching!

[@christopherjones8025]

All the new gagets that garmin system looks bad ass.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Christopher Jones I wouldn’t fly without the G1000. Thanks for watching.

[@jakelance6]

This would be my major problem. I can't understand jack shit that ATC is saying!

[@Norcal_Flyer]

A good instructor will teach you the structure of ATC communications (what to say and what to expect to hear). Each type of communication always follows the same format. I used to listen to ATC while driving just to get the cadence and format in my head (get the app "LiveATC" to listen to towers and ATC around the country) and I would talk out loud to practice. Also, never be afraid to say "say again" to have ATC repeat the instructions. Thanks for watching.

[@jakelance6]

Thank you! That's a great idea. I've always dreamed of becoming a pilot, but it seems like such a daunting task. I feel like I would be completely overwhelmed between dealing with the aircraft and ATC at the same time. Plus the immense amount of information you have to memorize about the aircraft and rules/regulations seems completely impossible LOL

[@MotoLen51]

Nice flight to my old home base. Times have changed; my instructor wouldn't let me use the autopilot until I could hand-fly everything.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

L P Thanks for watching. AP helps significantly with IFR workload management.

[@acepapd]

Times have changed more than once - no AP (or GPS - the fancy GA planes had 2 VOR heads), when I got my instrument ticket - everything was hand flown, including NDB approaches and ADF holds. Just to make life interesting, IFR checkride examiner gave me a hold on an ADF radial at a VOR radial intersection - it was sloppy - we both laughed and he confessed he'd never accept a hold clearance like that. OH - no foggles - did it all under this hood about the size of a mooses nose!

[@rbplaysa99olson]

Wow, you got thrown into the deep water on that one! Nice job!

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching. That was one of my all time favorite training flights.

[@rustusandroid]

LEFT... LEFT!!!

[@mwsteffen]

SWEET panel!

[@ctn830]

great video

[@Lobotommy110]

Why do flaps up help the breaking?

[@bluehornet6752]

Simply put, flaps up...brakes work better. Because by retracting (lifting) the flaps, less lift is generated by the wing. And because less lift is generated by the wing, more of the aircraft's weight is being applied to the wheels on the runway. Since the coefficient of friction is dependent upon the *weight* being applied to the friction surface (ie; the runway), the more weight you have on the wheels...the better the friction between the tires and the pavement. So when you apply the brakes in a "heavier" aircraft, it will stop sooner (all other things being equal).

[@grahambrown5874]

Nice landing. Great instructor. 👍

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks and thank you for watching.

[@AssyrianKing4ever]

Dude thank you. Going through IFR training and your video is a great help.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

AssyrianKing4ever Thanks for watching and good luck with your training!

[@AssyrianKing4ever]

@@Norcal_Flyer Thanks!! Should be done soon out of RHV

[@tylersorensen6230]

I just completed my first cross country in N254EK !

[@Norcal_Flyer]

To Modesto? Good luck with your training. Thanks for watching.

[@tylersorensen6230]

To Salinas, thanks!

[@jherrod561]

Great job!!! Safe flying aviator!!

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Joseph Herrod Thanks for watching.

[@XBJAJ]

Great!!!!

[@robertcollins2771]

EXCELLANT Instructor

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Yes he is. Thanks for watching.

[@confitofduck]

Great video. Thanks.

[@Norcal_Flyer]

Thanks for watching.