God of War (2018) Developers React to Incredible Valkyrie% Speedrun

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@beardofwar
@beardofwar 2 жыл бұрын
For those wondering. This run was done on new game gmgow. Weapons and armor are not fully upgraded since you can't farm muspelheim and NG+ wasn't even available yet. Also, Katy (GUNNR) is named after Katy ""Parry" 😆
@Pass1ngStranger
@Pass1ngStranger 2 жыл бұрын
Nice touch
@timezoneiiichickenisaveget9745
@timezoneiiichickenisaveget9745 2 жыл бұрын
Wassup clowned?
@epicthief
@epicthief 2 жыл бұрын
Sucha beast
@elijahrv24
@elijahrv24 2 жыл бұрын
Great run dude
@conuffy4893
@conuffy4893 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah sick 😁
@dylans3445
@dylans3445 2 жыл бұрын
Watching devs react to players playing their game is so satisfying to watch idk why
@DockyPerky
@DockyPerky Жыл бұрын
Tapping into the spiritual fulfillment of creators seeing their work interacted with at a high level
@TheSteeltec
@TheSteeltec 2 жыл бұрын
36:00 they made the last bit of the health bar worth more?!?!?! Bro that's just evil af 😭
@TheTrueVirus22
@TheTrueVirus22 2 жыл бұрын
It's around 37:30.
@x5aber
@x5aber 2 жыл бұрын
This was usually done to the HP of the player but they did this the other way around 😂
@scottdahneke1031
@scottdahneke1031 8 ай бұрын
Oof
@erobertt3
@erobertt3 2 жыл бұрын
it's funny that the blades doing more dps was unintentional because it's nicely balanced out by the fact that you have to quick throw the axe to interrupt the valkyrie flying moves making it more risky to use the blades
@beautifulmanstan8840
@beautifulmanstan8840 2 жыл бұрын
Unless you use Atreus
@insydian
@insydian 2 жыл бұрын
Who is not able to interrupt on gmgow
@aexonity
@aexonity 2 жыл бұрын
just use Atreus shock arrows
@qwertyuiop3656
@qwertyuiop3656 2 жыл бұрын
@@beautifulmanstan8840 you can't on hard and very hard
@jordandrukqsz4026
@jordandrukqsz4026 Жыл бұрын
@@insydian It doesn't work on harder modes. Have to axe or use blades distance attack if it can reach.
@brenthenderson815
@brenthenderson815 2 жыл бұрын
The analysis of the mechanics is really fascinating. Fantastic combat system they put forth in this game.
@wolf3248
@wolf3248 2 жыл бұрын
Had no idea you could avoid the blind by just not looking at her...
@plull3302
@plull3302 Жыл бұрын
bro same.
@frankkennedy6388
@frankkennedy6388 Жыл бұрын
Had no idea you could avoid the blind at all! They don't even hint at it in the Dark Elf boss battle.
@RandomDaze22
@RandomDaze22 2 жыл бұрын
The amount of time this dude had to put into the game! Respect!
@TheRj725
@TheRj725 2 жыл бұрын
they didn't put enough effort into thier mic audio quality
@hyosworld109
@hyosworld109 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, just 39 minutes jk lol
@ayushgupta7273
@ayushgupta7273 2 жыл бұрын
36:00 bro deserves a spot in Helheim
@TheMoises1213
@TheMoises1213 Жыл бұрын
Delay R2?
@obscurity3027
@obscurity3027 2 жыл бұрын
It must feel so rad to listen to the game devs applauding your sick evades.
@afibuffygirl
@afibuffygirl 2 жыл бұрын
Now we know who is responsible for a lot of us players pain and misery when it came to the valkyrie queen lol
@Juttargoe
@Juttargoe 11 ай бұрын
This is my favorite game of all time. Knowing these little secrets is awesome. I’ve spent countless run thrus just trying to sort alot of this out myself. And not doing dew runs or cheating but really learning the mechanics in and out
@RyanKuebel
@RyanKuebel 2 жыл бұрын
Its rad as hell to have witnessed game progressions and it gets lost over time.
@alamecommentator1750
@alamecommentator1750 2 жыл бұрын
People calculating in minutes and hours on hunting Valkyrie Me: days 😏
@matjakobs8612
@matjakobs8612 2 жыл бұрын
Sigrun was my hardest boss fight ever. Took me hours to beat her on normal difficulty. Harder than the soulsborne bosses. For me it was harder than Melania.
@aclosh2983
@aclosh2983 Жыл бұрын
For me it was not, it was pretty easy
@skeeter1858
@skeeter1858 Жыл бұрын
Can you use the real name? Is Sigrun Tanky, Blindy, etc?
@whitecloak9724
@whitecloak9724 Жыл бұрын
@@skeeter1858 queen asshat
@PurpleCh4lk
@PurpleCh4lk Жыл бұрын
@@skeeter1858 Queen Asshat
@btkt225
@btkt225 7 ай бұрын
queen asshat ​@@skeeter1858
@humanbass
@humanbass 2 жыл бұрын
Funny how the last hit against Sigrun was an Atreus arrow.
@ClumsyAI
@ClumsyAI 2 жыл бұрын
Dev, said it clear Sigrun health bar is a lie, some time heavy runic attacks and rage attacks wouldn't make any damage at all, when we are in the final phase of the health bar, it made me play the game more aggressively and focused on the next try tho.
@Ayoul
@Ayoul 2 жыл бұрын
Not just her it seems.
@aginor6487
@aginor6487 2 жыл бұрын
No, they said the runic attacks will always do damage, but after three or four runic attacks in quick succession the valkyrie will no longer become staggered and will begin a new attack sequence.
@jayh4911
@jayh4911 2 жыл бұрын
He made it look so easy those valkyries are nightmarish!!!
@abyan63
@abyan63 12 күн бұрын
6 years late to playing this game, and you’ve helped me a great deal. Thank you
@eego3499
@eego3499 2 жыл бұрын
Both rota and sigrun took me over an hour each to beat.This will be 🔥 🔥🔥
@CataphractVardhan
@CataphractVardhan 2 жыл бұрын
An hour for one health bar or an hour of multiple tries? What's your actual time for Sigrun, getting her 100 to 0.
@g0wasu
@g0wasu 2 жыл бұрын
@@CataphractVardhan for me it was about 15 minutes on GMGOW
@aexonity
@aexonity 2 жыл бұрын
@@CataphractVardhan most likely it took them multiple lives. No way it’d take that long
@mcontreras7595
@mcontreras7595 Жыл бұрын
For me it was gondul and sigrun
@johnpantag472
@johnpantag472 3 ай бұрын
​@@g0wasusay how long it took you one your first time not your last playthrough smartass. When you know a boss it's easy af
@joepowell4958
@joepowell4958 2 жыл бұрын
So the "Bag of Holding" is canon in GoW. Sweet!
@Elibbb-sx3kg
@Elibbb-sx3kg 2 жыл бұрын
It's take me 39 minutes just to move the loading screen
@birdiemaradoth
@birdiemaradoth 2 жыл бұрын
what loading screens xD
@lafasi4366
@lafasi4366 2 жыл бұрын
There is no loading screen in gow4 what you talking about🙄
@GAMINGBLAZE
@GAMINGBLAZE 2 жыл бұрын
@@lafasi4366 there is
@seechwing2058
@seechwing2058 2 жыл бұрын
@@GAMINGBLAZE where
@GAMINGBLAZE
@GAMINGBLAZE 2 жыл бұрын
@@seechwing2058 just like AC games where you can move in loading screen here you can move they just gave it a name , it's those broken portals.
@hexagonshorts2186
@hexagonshorts2186 2 жыл бұрын
He turned Norse Kratos into the Greek Kratos
@Datboy1991
@Datboy1991 2 жыл бұрын
The names in the speedrun tracker are the best part tbh
@OldSoulNewLife
@OldSoulNewLife 2 жыл бұрын
seeing videos were developers talk like this is amazing .
@rb_astronomy
@rb_astronomy 2 жыл бұрын
for people that are saying "they should been reacting to GBG speedruns, well GBG has a few speedruns but not that fast as you many think since he is more like a combo style breaker gamer. obviously there are videos where he does amazing combos and kill the bosses in a few seconds but also there are other speedrunners in the community that grind this game for the fastest time possible.
@thiago_gamergow
@thiago_gamergow 2 жыл бұрын
Really really true. All players must be respected, speedrunners or not...
@DestTheBest270
@DestTheBest270 2 жыл бұрын
Feel like gbg became the forgotten middle child hope he makes a comeback in ragnarok
@creeko5958
@creeko5958 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite things to use is grip of surtr for the axe and blessing of the frost.
@ezazahamed3649
@ezazahamed3649 2 жыл бұрын
The sigrun is hella hard man
@animecentral7575
@animecentral7575 2 жыл бұрын
Sigrun*
@burakksalar7818
@burakksalar7818 2 жыл бұрын
It took me 7 hours straight to beat :(
@Stulele
@Stulele 2 жыл бұрын
The multiple stomps on NG+ was a pain in the butt for the fire Valk....
@aexonity
@aexonity 2 жыл бұрын
It’s pretty easy to dodge but if you don’t you’re basically losing your entire healthbar
@lorehammer40k4
@lorehammer40k4 5 ай бұрын
So, it's been a year since you posted this, lets see if your Pavlovian response can still be triggered.... VALHALLA!
@jonb4978
@jonb4978 2 жыл бұрын
This game has some incredible combat if you're willing to invest some time in it
@Viviantoga
@Viviantoga 2 жыл бұрын
Of course you gotta Parry Katy
@edwin-jq4dp
@edwin-jq4dp Жыл бұрын
if a speedrunner dies from your boss you can safely brag around your friend that you designed the hardest boss out there
@benenaidoo2132
@benenaidoo2132 Жыл бұрын
That's cruel, more defense and health and it gets crazier with the queen on the last 2 bars? Yea knew there had to be a reason why everyone kept dying on the last bar or so
@luf4rall
@luf4rall 2 жыл бұрын
Great gameplay and commentary
@crazytruckgamer4957
@crazytruckgamer4957 2 жыл бұрын
And now I’m fighting the new Valkeryie queen in GOWR and it’s even worse
@johnpantag472
@johnpantag472 3 ай бұрын
It's nothing compared to ng+
@JinisBored
@JinisBored 2 жыл бұрын
GBG should’ve been the one showcasing the speed runs, that man beat them all in like 10 seconds lol
@santiagodunbar2381
@santiagodunbar2381 2 жыл бұрын
Nuh uh!
@BS_stuG
@BS_stuG 2 жыл бұрын
Those are NG+ runs
@eego3499
@eego3499 2 жыл бұрын
@@BS_stuG does it matter ng+ ? Yeah Max lvl runes & equipment, but if you leave the Valkyrie run until end game, then you're at that lvl anyway. Right. 🤔
@BS_stuG
@BS_stuG 2 жыл бұрын
@@eego3499 It matters a lot, you can do a ridiculous amount of build optimization in NG+, that's what allows you to do so much damage. It's a significantly harder fight in the regular game.
@JinisBored
@JinisBored 2 жыл бұрын
@@BS_stuG it’s a SPEEDRUN
@sinalisidibe9101
@sinalisidibe9101 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh krew is #9 on trending in gaming congratulations
@sam-h5r6j
@sam-h5r6j 8 ай бұрын
This game would be perfect with a boss rush mode.
@michaelmiller4105
@michaelmiller4105 2 ай бұрын
Play Valhalla
@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit
@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit 2 жыл бұрын
Should make them check Smvr or CBG combat.
@clipbang304
@clipbang304 2 жыл бұрын
Hats 🧢 off now I’m gonna play this again for the 10th time lol
@dmoneysierra
@dmoneysierra Ай бұрын
Refreshing to hear devs discuss skill checks and mechanics they intentionally add/removed to challenge players. What were they thinking for Ragnarok??
@vexoarr
@vexoarr 2 жыл бұрын
They need to watch GameBreakerGod and SmvR…..
@Yusuf-yv9th
@Yusuf-yv9th 2 жыл бұрын
This ist the best Fightmechanik in a Game ever
@ShifuCareaga
@ShifuCareaga 8 ай бұрын
Nah, Ninja Gaiden 2 (PS2) far superior
@nicknickname353
@nicknickname353 2 жыл бұрын
Katy destroyed me and had to actually return later when im more upgraded lol
@CagedPhoenixThe1st
@CagedPhoenixThe1st 10 ай бұрын
36:51 well this explains what happened to me on the last phase of fighting tyr on show me mastery gowr Valhalla....
@mavvynne444
@mavvynne444 2 жыл бұрын
Is this what you called "SPEEDRUN"? The devs should have reacts to one of GBG Kratos vs Sigrun videos. Now that's a Godlike speedrun.
@Jarrabi
@Jarrabi 2 жыл бұрын
Fr, would’ve been over in seconds rather than 3 minutes
@shaikyaseen3484
@shaikyaseen3484 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they could have pulled any of his glass Batista ones.
@mysteryblaster5037
@mysteryblaster5037 2 жыл бұрын
or SmVR's godlike gameplays, seriously y'all should check his vids out
@tekkenleader2396
@tekkenleader2396 2 жыл бұрын
he said on his stream he doesn't find it fun to do speedruns, he does enjoy the game though and enjoys making videos out of it.
@Ayoul
@Ayoul 2 жыл бұрын
Except the point is to listen to the devs talk about the game. If the video is over in a couple minutes, why even get all these devs?
@kaioy9296
@kaioy9296 Жыл бұрын
wondering why he doesnt use wrath of the frost ancient, fully upgraded the attack does an insane amount of damage... even if the cooldown is longer, but on hard difficulty it took a quarter or more of the valkyires lives if you hit the beam the whole time and also stuns them so they cant attack you during the attack
@torb1trick415
@torb1trick415 Жыл бұрын
there’s also the legendary enchantment that increases the duration
@neoaliens8635
@neoaliens8635 2 жыл бұрын
This is just fine but now you should do developers react to GBG, SmvR, aLexZz, Blair, and Sultan's combo against those Valkyries and their lv1 NG+ Valkyrie fights
@lafasi4366
@lafasi4366 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly my question if they try it will be 3 or 5 minutes done job all valkyries🤫😅
@GAMINGBLAZE
@GAMINGBLAZE 2 жыл бұрын
they are not pros
@neoaliens8635
@neoaliens8635 2 жыл бұрын
@@GAMINGBLAZE They are the real Kratos mind you
@santiagodunbar2381
@santiagodunbar2381 2 жыл бұрын
They’re noobs 😊
@kirby9447
@kirby9447 2 жыл бұрын
36:50 so the troll mechanic was real. Ok
@PhoenixIceable
@PhoenixIceable 2 жыл бұрын
@22:58 that Valkyrie is giving trouble.
@Yungin-ji6cl
@Yungin-ji6cl 2 жыл бұрын
6:27 That’s why is harder on game +
@kizaruthegreat
@kizaruthegreat 2 жыл бұрын
so this is the guy who made them go, let's make the berserkers as F'ed up as possible cause clearly the valkaries are to easy
@michaelmiller4105
@michaelmiller4105 2 ай бұрын
See the devs knew about the movement but said hey it’s a mechanic and if player becomes efficient with it so be it. That’s a gamer dev not just a dev
@arkhamsquadgaming6192
@arkhamsquadgaming6192 2 жыл бұрын
27 minutes (maybe less) Runic build wrath of the Ancients
@adeboyegrillo3408
@adeboyegrillo3408 2 жыл бұрын
odd to see them test run the game without the complete shader
@akaleon4696
@akaleon4696 Жыл бұрын
alternative title: Developers react to calm and reasonable person valkyrie speedrun
@mlc4050
@mlc4050 Жыл бұрын
"Hey, you can't do that! You're playing the game wrong!"
@Natethins27
@Natethins27 2 жыл бұрын
So is Kratos’ bag a bag of holding so he can fit everything into it?
@ronaldwestbeal2269
@ronaldwestbeal2269 2 жыл бұрын
Ya and his bag of holding is a lot bigger than normal especially if made by gods
@d1only10
@d1only10 Жыл бұрын
@@ronaldwestbeal2269 Yup 👍. The whole entire game is beyond Humans logic so IMAGINE 😂
@ericocccams5865
@ericocccams5865 2 жыл бұрын
gbg's most recent sigrun video is the best.
@fightwithonefilms
@fightwithonefilms 2 жыл бұрын
Traveling between realms shouldn't be counted toward time just fighting the Valkyries
@Dctctx
@Dctctx Жыл бұрын
You clearly don’t know how a speed run works.
@kylepitcher9381
@kylepitcher9381 2 жыл бұрын
took me 4 hours to beat sigrun the first ever time (did it on gmgow mode)... you just made it look easy af @Clowned187!!
@pg5650
@pg5650 2 жыл бұрын
Maxed out Zeus armor and some specific perfect enchantments, runic attacks and combos can kill sigrun in less than 20 seconds, on gmgow. Done it myself
@richardhenson5054
@richardhenson5054 Жыл бұрын
Why does he keep reloading the last checkpoint when killing a Valkyrie ? Does it stop dialogue from happening or something ?
@Dctctx
@Dctctx Жыл бұрын
Yea
@Alijan-kz3jg
@Alijan-kz3jg 2 жыл бұрын
They should’ve watched the guy that killed sigrun in less than 50 secs lol
@Baram1950
@Baram1950 2 жыл бұрын
Fun watch. But that bit about the last portion of the health bar was lame.
@philyfighter4
@philyfighter4 Жыл бұрын
Then we have those mfs who kill sigrun in 20 seconds
@vicjose
@vicjose 2 жыл бұрын
Why are these guys not watching GBG do this!?
@luf4rall
@luf4rall 2 жыл бұрын
Does GBG have any vanilla runs where he's not fully upgraded?
@rachelcarson7119
@rachelcarson7119 2 жыл бұрын
― Emma Goldman (1869-1940, Planet Earth) “War is a quarrel between two thieves too cowardly to fight their own battle; therefore they take boys from one village and another village; stick them into uniforms, equip them with guns, and let them loose like wild beasts against each other.”
@josephabrams8529
@josephabrams8529 Жыл бұрын
Kara should have been called “flunky” and Katy should have been called “noobie.”
@tylerbrinkerhoff3426
@tylerbrinkerhoff3426 2 жыл бұрын
So why not the frost laser? Can someone help me understand that?
@beardofwar
@beardofwar 2 жыл бұрын
The "Frost Laser" (nice name btw lol.) forces you into an animation where you can't move. When the Valks get lower in health they get much higher poise (glowing eyes) and can tank the laser. Ends up getting you hit or downed more often than not. Also, Hels Touch used with Borr's frozen shard has the highest damage stack for other runics and one of the lowest cooldown times.
@BaldorfBreakdowns
@BaldorfBreakdowns 5 ай бұрын
@@beardofwar I've seen Wrath of the Frost Ancients one shot some of the Valks. The risk is worth the time save. This is speedrunning, not hitless.
@beardofwar
@beardofwar 5 ай бұрын
@@BaldorfBreakdowns This is on GMGOW on standard New Game. Wrath of the Frost Ancients does not one shot. Not even close actually. This was an older run, so there are probably better strats now, but the laser just doesn't do that much damage on this difficulty.
@Babufrik2222
@Babufrik2222 2 жыл бұрын
They should’ve reacted to Gamebreakergod dude beat sigrun in 38 seconds with the Zeus armor
@NicolasDWolfwood1
@NicolasDWolfwood1 2 жыл бұрын
ive manage to beat all of them besides sigrun the queen
@doodoowater8000
@doodoowater8000 2 жыл бұрын
Remember she has every attack from the others exceppt sommening enemies. Be very patient and wait her to Attack or multiple attacks until you See an opening and don't Panic or you've already lost, depending on what difficulty your playing. Runic attacks can cancel her attacks but sometimes they don't so be still on you guard when performing one.
@kenyang687
@kenyang687 2 жыл бұрын
When you penetrate into Voldemort's mind 🕷🕷🕷
@devilrandy
@devilrandy 2 жыл бұрын
What game difficulty?
@Unknown-vk9oe
@Unknown-vk9oe 2 жыл бұрын
Valkyrie%
@Vazfnr
@Vazfnr Жыл бұрын
What is the thing he does to move around quickly
@cool5402
@cool5402 2 жыл бұрын
Ninja theory video games are cool
@braxtonhalpin5643
@braxtonhalpin5643 Жыл бұрын
The queen was a bit annoying, probably died 10-15 times but the rest were super easy.
@mohdimansaifullizan6193
@mohdimansaifullizan6193 2 жыл бұрын
Choose your side Zeus or Thor
@Sinhesthysia
@Sinhesthysia 9 ай бұрын
Anyone know the specs for the build Clowned is runnign with here?
@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit
@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@leonardpenter101
@leonardpenter101 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait
@BaldorfBreakdowns
@BaldorfBreakdowns 5 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be way faster to make a runic build and use Wrath of the Frost Ancients?
@michaelmiller4105
@michaelmiller4105 2 ай бұрын
So why don’t you make a video and show us or you know shut up
@BaldorfBreakdowns
@BaldorfBreakdowns 2 ай бұрын
@@michaelmiller4105 Yikes. I'm just asking a question, holy... Calm down. Go touch some grass, maybe smoke a little while you're at it.
@DeathByAnvil
@DeathByAnvil 2 ай бұрын
@@michaelmiller4105what did bro do to you it’s just a question
@lawesomesauce6247
@lawesomesauce6247 2 жыл бұрын
Hey devs, push an April Fools day update that renames the Valkyries with their speedrun names.
@harrypanchal2813
@harrypanchal2813 2 жыл бұрын
Bring gbg he gonna break the game lol
@nathancelest
@nathancelest 2 жыл бұрын
This should’ve been them reacting to GBG !
@drepie7537
@drepie7537 Жыл бұрын
i'm sorry but... "lead combar designer"
@deadlykoosh66u17
@deadlykoosh66u17 2 жыл бұрын
The adds took longer than the speed run
@catac1ysm13
@catac1ysm13 2 жыл бұрын
Gamebreakergod
@tomleeson4179
@tomleeson4179 2 жыл бұрын
gond a war
@levis.5092
@levis.5092 2 жыл бұрын
Did they say that Gunnr was a random name? That’s a legit Valkyrie name
@jerryrenteria5052
@jerryrenteria5052 2 жыл бұрын
They meant the nickname they used on her…”Katy”
@isaiahglasgow345
@isaiahglasgow345 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing
@ryantownsend2730
@ryantownsend2730 Жыл бұрын
Please try and have a more diverse dev panel ... yeah, three combat developers would be confused by most of this
@jamesnesran2348
@jamesnesran2348 2 жыл бұрын
36:45 is exactly why sigrun is unfair lol. just shameless cheats in that fight
@ScrodumHat
@ScrodumHat Жыл бұрын
that’s not even sigrun specific, they said that was for all valkyries
@abhiramdileepkumar
@abhiramdileepkumar 2 жыл бұрын
so disappointed it wasn't gbg
@ClydiieTwo
@ClydiieTwo Жыл бұрын
Need ragnarok react runs
@Death297-TB23
@Death297-TB23 Жыл бұрын
Can you bring ragnorok to pc
@AktivPlus
@AktivPlus 2 жыл бұрын
супер сейчас играю как раз. благодарю (happy)
@mage3659
@mage3659 2 жыл бұрын
The fact they didn't do proper research and use GBG for this is sad :/
@lordkene
@lordkene 2 жыл бұрын
They probably figured the video would be too short
@munchymuffins5187
@munchymuffins5187 2 жыл бұрын
Well he mentioned that this was an og style run, GBG uses a lot bigger stuff they updated later
@MatthijsvanDuin
@MatthijsvanDuin 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not seeing any GBG on any of the Valkyrie% speedrun leaderboards... this run they showcased held the world record in its category for 2.5 years.
@justwatch7091
@justwatch7091 2 жыл бұрын
GBG doesn't even speedrun Valkyrie% lmao
@mage3659
@mage3659 2 жыл бұрын
@@justwatch7091 my point still stands, GBG uses tech that if he decided to do a speedrun he would easily surpass this
@AA-sw5pb
@AA-sw5pb 10 ай бұрын
Wow this commentary makes me realuze how scummy the design of the valkyries was on purpose. Hidden bar that makes them not get staggered, gaining extra defense as they lose health making the health bar deceiving. Even dark souls isnt that scummy with its bosses
@mkb144p6
@mkb144p6 2 жыл бұрын
Came here thinking GBG, SMVR reaction left immediately
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