Ignore the Criticism to be a Better Landscape Photographer

[@squidymitts5863]

Trolls will be trolls bud! I've commented negatively before in regards to you uploading videos about money, what you earn, your shop etc this is massively off putting as a viewer. I do believe your images are good enough for your to become a full time photographer so don't let people knock your skill. However as I'm typing this message you are talking about your shop and work shops again. I understand you need to make money from this but we don't need to be hammered in the face with it every video.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Jason - at the moment my channel is about the transition from amateur to professional. A big part of this is the commercial aspect. There is so much more to it than just taking photographs and I will continue to talk about it in my videos. If you find it off putting then why are you wasting your time watching it? There are so many great photographers producing great videos that I think you'd be much better off watching them.

[@squidymitts5863]

@@ChrisSalePhoto so I give you some feed back and you advise me to unsubscribe. Okie doke thanks exactly what I'll do

[@squidymitts5863]

Last word of advise which I know you won't take by your attitude and the hearting of my last comment. Maybe learn to take a little criticism, don't have attitude with people and try to be nice to your followers. I do follow most of the photography utubers and I have always had nice things to say to them and the odd time I have said something that wouldn't be taken quite as well its always been taken well and have at least seemed like they have listened. I honestly hope you do well, becoming a full time photographer is of course the dream. But unless to change your ways I don't think you will

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

@@squidymitts5863 - I was being nice Jason. I don't want you to waste your time watching stuff you don't like.

[@squidymitts5863]

@@ChrisSalePhoto I liked your content, not the constant plug for money. I understood its to get your business off the ground but not one other utube photographer went on about money like you have. I was just trying to give advise as a viewer of this type of content. Instead of listening you went straight on the defensive! If you can't take criticism, online work isn't for you

[@andrewevans7184]

It is infinitely easier to criticize than it is to create.

[@PointBlankZA]

True story.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I have had criticism (of the "your not good enough" variety) from people who are good photographers themselves. I just don't understand what they would hope to gain.

[@huwalban]

@@ChrisSalePhoto Bullies Chris. Bullies looking for a reaction. Don't give them the satisfaction. Move on, be successful, and they will melt away :)

[@bobholman3035]

Hi Chris, Ralph Waldo Emerson got it about right, I reckon. "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." Keep doing what pleases you, not what you think you should be doing ......... And keep up the excellent work!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Bob, that is an excellent quote - I shall try to follow that advice. Cheers mate!

[@barryconway]

Good to see you calmly differentiating between critiques and critics. Good man, keep it up and be true to yourself.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Barry - yeah, it is important that we acknowledge the difference. I have no problem with anyone saying that they don't like my work so long as they are prepared to give a little feedback that would help me to improve.

[@garystone6583]

Chris, the problem seems to be. 1, they are jealous of your images. 2, they are threatened by how good you are, Probably both, Keep up the great work mate.

[@rnspowell]

Absolutely. My sentiments exactly

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Do you think so? I'm not so sue mate. I generally don't know why they do it but I would be more inclined to think that resent that I have the opportunity to follow my dreams and want to see me fail.

[@garystone6583]

@@ChrisSalePhoto could be a bit of everything Chris but I know your shots I've seen I've liked, some more than others but that's down to personal preference But not one I've seen I have not liked You are a true talent and always follow your dream and you will achieve your goal mate,

[@rnspowell]

Being from the States what I'm saying is the norm. I can imagine it's not the same in the UK but it probably happens occasionally. I myself think your photos are totally awesome. Don't let anyone bring you down.

[@daveshannon3934]

@Gary Stone. I agree with you on both points. They may also be jealous that @Chris Sale has had the guts to follow his dream and is succeeding.

[@JohnHPettigrewFujishooter67]

Forget about the negative comments, you are always going to get those people who have nothing better to do than criticize others. Love your work and your videos, keep up the good work.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks John, you are right of course but it can be difficult. I think this is something that all creators go through and I just need to learn how to deal with it better.

[@BosePhotography]

Hi Chris, I just wanted to make clear that you are ABSOLUTELY good enough to make it as a pro (and by the sounds of things you’re doing amazingly already!). Hannah and I were having a chat the other day about just how hard it is to create a ‘style’ and we were talking about how many ‘professional’ photographers create images that conform to an ‘expected’ style that appeals to the masses and does well on social media. It’s easy enough to learn how to take those kind of images, but they have no real depth to them in my opinion. The hard thing is defining your own trademark style and this is something that you have achieved where many others struggle. Furthermore, there are plenty of highly talented photographers that make useless teachers and workshop leaders, but I can imagine you would be amazing at this side of the job. Being a ‘good’ photographer does not necessarily put someone in a position to be a good teacher or workshop leader, whereas being a professional photographer involves much more than just being a ‘good’ photographer and I have no doubt that you have the skills required. So please don’t take any criticism you have received to heart, you are doing an amazing job and we believe you are going to excel 😉. S.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hey Sam, hope you and Hannah had a wonderful Christmas. I totally agree with you on the teaching thing. I think there are many things that you need to learn in order to be successful in this game. In this respect I hope my corporate background will give me an advantage. I also hope that being relatable and more in touch with what amateur photographers really want in this day and age will help as well. Fingers crossed...

[@dreamcatcher3622]

For not ideal conditions you made two great shots there.

[@andy5892]

Hi Chris, Just discovered you, a breath of fresh air! down to earth, honest, open and straight to the point! and not a drone in sight thank god! plus it makes a change your videos dont start with 5 minutes promoting squarespace? great to find someone like this and different! dont end up like all the rest. Enjoying going through your videos one by one and your great narration. KZbin seems to be full of people giving the impression that they are full time pro landscape photographers but its all drones and promoting products, camera kit and websites they get for free? but in reality when you look into their work they actually make their money from commercial, wedding or other photography and workshops but they are giving the false impression that they are solely landscape photographers which in reality is merely a youtube thing for attention and freebies? great to see things as they genuinely are! well done!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Andy - I am in a unique position to share what it is really like to try to transition from amateur to professional. Both the good and the bad. Try not to be too hard on the other KZbin photographers mate. I am just starting to find out what a tough business this is. We need to make a buck wherever we can. If I were being brutally honest I am starting to find the SquareSpace thing a bit boring but they have done a HUGE amount to support this community and so we have to be thankful to them for that. I get approached by companies all of the time to promote their products but so far none of them have interested me. However, if it gets to the stage where I have to promote cheap Chinese tripods in order to realise my dreams I'll be selling out first chance that I get!

[@ChrisTurnerPhotographer]

Your processing is getting cleaner man, I dig it. Well done so far on the channel also!

[@andymiles5156]

There are people who crave attention and see leaving horrible comments as a quick way to get their fix. I feel pity for them as there is clearly something missing in their lives, and I find it much more rewarding to bring happiness into someone’s life. Plus what’s wrong with being open and telling people how you are feeling, we don’t share how we feel enough, both ups and downs. On that note I enjoyed watching so thank you for making the video!

[@butterflycam1052]

Chris, me again. Concentrate on your plan and style, ignore the hard critisism, not easy i know, but absolutely manageable. I went through an event back in august where i have been pushed in the corner about how bad my job was, how ridiculous i was looking on the stage and so on. It took me 4 days to recover, having been down to ground and feeling like shit. But there is a thing. The moment i reached the „wait aminute“ stage, I turned the situation around and took a lesson out of it. I was convinced i did a great job (sure i did), just faced a very ego loaded guy who was in such a lack of confidence that he was aiming to put the whole world down. I got back to myself and said i was on the right track until i met this guy, successful and facing towards growth. This guy cannot reach me anymore, in any way.Morality? You decided to take that path, you are facing towards growth, it is getting in shape, so what can you possibly do wrong? I promess you most of the critics actually mean „ if only i would be as brave as he is“.Trust me, you will get there, if you struggle, PM me! Keep going, great stuff

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I am so sorry to hear about your experience; I would be interested to hear more about how you recovered. Most of the time I handle it well but recently I am finding it increasingly more difficult.

[@daveb2153]

Landscape photographers on youtube are plentiful and I for one have learned a great deal. Your channel, however, gives something different which I find very interesting and look forward to each new video. Keep up the good work fella.

[@c.augustin]

Hey, you've crossed 10.000 subscribers on KZbin - congratulations! Interesting how you differentiate "critique" and "criticism". As a non-native speaker (or more to the point, "writer") I never thought about it this way, I try to keep it in mind (and use it accordingly in the future).

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Christian - yeah, gone over 10K subs now. Generally in English "to criticise" is to pick out the faults in something. "To critique" is to provide a detailed analysis. Both words come from the same origin but it is generally accepted that criticism focuses on the negative whilst critique considers both positive and negative aspects. Apparently in French, German and Italian there is no distinction between the two words.

[@c.augustin]

@@ChrisSalePhoto We do have two different words in German that fit your distinction: "kritisieren" and "bekritteln" (the latter is used in a negative sense, while the former can be used both ways). Interestingly I didn't find "critique" as a verb in my go-to dictionary "LEO" (nor in Merriam Webster), and "to criticize/criticise" has both translations of "kritisieren" and "bekritteln" (I was astonished to find this translation, as I nearly never used this word for decades ;-)). This could mean that everyday use in the UK has shifted, and I've seen "critiquing" in US videos too … (dictionaries are quite slow, even though our "Duden" has tried to be more contemporary for some years now - with mixed results ;-)).

[@robertstephens1868]

Chris, I was impressed by your photos in the video. I’m especially pleased that you stand up to those who project their own inadequacies onto others - even if it hurts sometimes.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Robert, I really appreciate that mate. I think it is important to stand up to those who just spread negativity - there is no place for them in this community.

[@ju2705s]

Nobody should critizes picture of others, because only the photographer himself know how his photo should look like. Your photos looks great, always! Have a merry Christmas!

[@ricardotejeda6530]

The internet, can unfortunately be that psychotic bully on the playground, but more brazen since there is no real accountability. I personally enjoy your journey. As a creative who has worked in a variety of fields (I used to make music and perform, I'm a graphic designer, and now have been a photographer for a few years), I find that the best way for me to combat the negativity is to poke jokes at it. Whenever I do that, it really makes it seem like the BS it really is. Keep on keeping' on.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Ricardo. That is a really interesting way of dealing with negativity. I think I shall give it a go in future.

[@AlanMETALMAN]

I remember falling and coming down, backwards, on Hartsop Dodd last year, very eventful end to a walk and I had a painful ball head for about 3 days after! Good to see you are not put off by the negative comments and still feel able to experimenter and take a 'risk' with your photography. A Very Merry Christmas to you both, cheers Alan

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Alan - how are you mate? All fit an back out on the fells I hope. All the best for 2020.

[@AlanMETALMAN]

@@ChrisSalePhoto - thanks Chris and yes, back in the gym and back to where I was 3 months ago now, apart from slowly getting rid of the excess 16 lbs I put on when I was re cooperating, mind you, Christmas has not helped mind lol!

[@petersimonsen9278]

I love your comments to destructive criticism 🤣 and I love your honest way of telling your progressing story in your pro life combined with great photos and experimenting photos. If one don’t try one will never know would it would look like. 🤗 keep it up and thanks for the time to share images and thoughts 💭.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Peter - I really appreciate you taking the time to leave this comment. I am trying to share my journey in as honest a way as possible, both the good and the bad. I hope that it inspires others to follow their dreams and opens their eyes to some of the challenges that they might have to face along the way. All the best for 2020.

[@huwalban]

A Happy New Year to you Chris :) You are right about there being a difference between critisism and comment, and unfortunately it is something that you may encounter in your exhibition. I've had this experience - someone in the gallery openly slagging off my images to my face and ripping apart the paper choice, the mount cuts, and the frames being used AND it is hard at the time especially when up to that point the feedback was so positive. I think at the end of the day you are not going to be able to please everyone, and there will ALWAYS be another "expert" out there that believes that they know better. I'll be honest, the first time I encounter this I took it badly and my confidence was in tatters, however now I just smile politely and acknowledge that "you are entitled to your opinion". I have wondered too whether I should reconsider that kind of feedback once the emotion of being slapped with it has subsided. In amongst the "expert rant" there may well be a lesson to take away, but it is something that I've never done. Believe in yourself Chris. You make good pictures, and clearly you have the ability to teach others. Those two things alone will carry you along. All the best fella.

[@westr70]

Mark Denny sent me. Glad he did, great channel. Subscribed.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

He's a good lad is Mark, very kind of him to mention me in his video. I owe him one.

[@MrPWalden]

Certainly looked to me like your experiment paid off! Keep it up!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks mate - I'll keep experimenting.

[@andychattaway5620]

Hi Chris, Great video and lovely image. I'm glad you're shrugging off that criticism. I didn't respond to it at the time as I didn't want to perpetuate the negativity but it was unnecessary. My Grandad used to say "If you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything."

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Andy - yeah, that is exactly what we were taught as kids. My parents brought me up to believe that saying something just to evoke a negative reaction was spiteful, malicious and immature.

[@andychattaway5620]

@@ChrisSalePhoto "Oh the joys of Social Media."

[@Prashant.Khapane]

Completely agree with the difference between critique and criticism. I think your videos and images are Gerti better and better with every outing. Go get it!!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much, I am glad you can see improvement in my work. I am certainly happier with the images that I am creating at the moment.

[@barrymcalle7377]

Criticism is water off a ducks back Chris. Your big enough and wise enough to brush this aside. Personally I think envy of what you have done is the driving force behind your critics. By the way I just got the benro geared head and it’s excellent for those minute adjustments you might want to give it a look mate. Keep it going your doing a great job

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Barry - thanks mate. I did have a look at the geared head, my mate Jules swears by them. But for the time being bearing in mind that funds are tight I think I am better off keeping the cash in my pocket. All the best for 2020.

[@markryanoklahoma]

Good points and great photos Chris! Keep up the great work.

[@larsbergmannphotography]

Hi Chris. It is very inspiring to watch your videos. I have a great respect for you and your decision. In my opinion your pictures have a professional quality. Keep on going man.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much Lars that is very kind of you to say. As we come to the end of 2019 I am certainly happy with the standard of my photography and the rate at which I am improving.

[@geofftrevarthen5991]

Ignore the trolls Chris! Edward de Bono said: "Negativity is the sole activity open to a mediocre mind. A mind that is, itself, unable to create, can only display its talents through criticism of others." Well said, that man ! I think you're doing really well - keep going ! :-)

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

That is a wonderful quote Geoff. When I have finished responding to comments I am going to read a bit more about lateral thinking.

[@davidflather1707]

Your journey has been inspirational to me Chris. Keep on rocking!🤠

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Will do David - cheers mate.

[@terrynewmanphotography]

Really enjoy your videos Chris. Keep up the good work and superb photos.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much Terry - all the best for 2020!

[@erichstocker4173]

To be a professional photographer, one has to make money. So, paying attention to organizing your business is a key activity---even if you miss out on shooting. A break sometimes also good because it makes us want to take photos even more or gives us a different perspective.

[@SnapographyAP]

I was thinking the same thing. But to be a professional, you need to be earning a living (in the past or present) from selling images. Not youtubing. Personally I don't think this chap does have what it takes. Only time will tell.... 5-10 years of training, not this "instant KZbin " nonsense.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Erich - I don't think I was quite aware of just how much time I will have to spend away from the camera in order to build my business. Everything seems to take more time than I was expecting. Fortunately I am enjoying it as much as actually taking photographs and running 1-2-1 and workshops.

[@LynneLuxonJonesphotography]

Interesting comments Chris . Critique as you say is vastly different & far more helpful than criticism . If the criticism is from other hobbyist or amateur photographers I'd be inclined to think it's due to them not liking your images or not liking your style & that's fine. I greatly admire Thom Heaton but i don't always like his work . I think Neil Burnell is an awesome pro photographer & I adore probably 90% of his work . It'd be a sad world of we all liked the same things. One man's gold is another's rusty iron so to speak . If the criticism is from other Pro's there's 2 angles ...either a) they're concerned you will be taking business away from them ( partic if in similar location to you) or b) they're trying to be helpful but not going about it the right way . Only you can decide which of those ways to take the criticism & whether to take any notice of it. If you are happy & confident that you're displaying the absolute best images you make then carry on....it's your business . As a hobbyist i don't worry about others thoughts on my images ,if I like them that's all that matters . If however, I were to turn Pro, I can happily say I'd remove from public view probably 95% of my images as only the very very best should be displayed to promote myself & my business. Attempting to make a successful living as a landscape photographer is not at all easy & I admire tat you've gone for it chased your dream 👍 Ps...I'm on a roll with thoughts on this subject 😁 I feel that as a Pro ,if you can post images in your vlogs & self critique them in the vlog ( or as Heaton did ,in a dedicated vlog) that would add a lot to your credibility ...I'm talking about Pro's n general,not specifically you. I can look at my images & pick them apart,admit which are more Record images & those I should never have taken . Hope that makes sense ?

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Lynne - you make some excellent points here. I find it interesting that you would only show your very best work if you were pro, I guess that is probably the right way to go. Rightly or wrongly I prefer to show all of my work, particularly through this process of transitioning from amateur to pro. This allows me to provide critique on my images in the blog that I write each week. I have been thinking doing it on video. In next week's video I actually return to a location to correct a mistake that I made on a previous visit!

[@PetterHallden]

Congrats on 10K subs!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much Petter, a big milestone in any KZbinr's journey.

[@rnspowell]

Criticizers are people that aren't doing as good as you do and will say any lie that they think will bring you down. Let me say, I wish I was as good as you are. Though I shoot for myself and not to make money. I don't need that kind of pressure LOL. Keep up the good work, Chris.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

What a nice thing to say Raymond, thanks mate, that is very kind of you. I wish you all the best for 2020.

[@hope121107]

That opening scene is just WOW. Great job!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much!

[@bioliv1]

Love your passion for your landscapes!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Øyvind - if there is one thing that I love more than photography it is the Lake District (and Mrs Sale of course).

[@roblunnen1653]

the best photos are the one that you like "i shot this photo and I really like it" that is what makes a good photo for you. then it doesn't matter what others think. I do like this channel and your style of photos and video that you make. I think sometime when people go to exitioc locations it is easer to make a good photo, what I like is that you keep going to the same places and getting good shot, Keep up the good work!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I think you are right Rob, you certainly have to like your images before you can expect anyone else to.

[@keithpinn152]

Hi Chris: Keep doing what your doing! Remember that I lot of time those that criticize are often jealous of your work, or simply too lazy to even try to do what you are doing. Keith Pinn Barrie, Ontario Canada P.S. I like the changes that you have made to your website.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

You are so right Keith but I still don't understand what they hope to achieve. As I have said to others here I would be mortified if my actions stopped anyone else from achieving their dreams. How sad it must be to take pleasure from the misfortune of others.

[@keithpinn152]

@@ChrisSalePhoto Hi Chris: I have tried to instill with my children over the years, ". . . be faithful to your dreams and don't let other people's negative responses deter you . By doing that, you will win them over . . ." Keith

[@snapkutter]

Your images are great! Ignore any ignorant criticism. Besides, I’m pretty sure even the big name pros don’t get a “banger” shot every single outing. I’m happy to have stumbled upon your channel. 😊

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Chris - I am suspect you are right about getting killer shots every time. I do try to share all of my images, the good and the bad. They are all part of the 'journey'.

[@JG-hv1co]

Hi Chris, haters are gonna hate, disarm them by thanking them for their ‘advice’ and then continue with what you think is correct, after all your upcoming exhibition needs to be your work, not work that has been influenced by others. The images in this video are superb, peaceful and well taken. The very best of luck to you (although you don’t need luck). Cheers, Jeff

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Jeff, I think that this is excellent advice and I will try to follow it as best I can. I'd also like to thank you for your response to the comment that I pinned on this video. I thought it was a great example of how not to interact with people on the internet. I thought both of your responses were excellent.

[@JG-hv1co]

@@ChrisSalePhoto You're welcome Chris. Keep up the good work!!!!

[@richardpowellTV]

Chris, I'm very happy you got enough money for your frames. Hope your exhibition attracts plenty of people!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Rick, I am looking for a venue at the moment. Obviously I will start small and we'll take it from there.

[@richardpowellTV]

@@ChrisSalePhoto Small steps lead to bigger strides, good luck!

[@geoffstradling6709]

Chris carry on with your experimentation. I’m loving your story and your photography. Keep up the the good work and enjoy your journey.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much - all the best for 2020.

[@grahamhunneman3503]

Love your work Chris, ignore the "haters", concentrate more on being positive. They will hate that 😉

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Excellent advice Graham - that is exactly what I will try to do going forward.

[@stevebennettphotography]

If you’ve got got the social media throwing some hate at you, you must be doing something right. Better a little hate than indifference. Being a decent human being with actual social skills would be better still, but hey, let’s start small 👍.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I hadn't looked at it that way Steve - yeah, indifference would be awful! Very good point mate.

[@cii1072]

Great images especially with the rocks in the foreground Your front to back focus was excellent. Where did you focus to achieve that? Do you use hyperfocal distance tables, etc? Thanks.

[@ColinDerbyshire]

The more haters is a sign that your doing well. Do you thing. Do you. Keep up the great work.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Colin - with the number of haters I seem to have attracted I must be doing brilliantly! :)

[@ColinDerbyshire]

@@ChrisSalePhoto You are. Keep going.

[@stephendarlington]

Love that first shot Chris. Sorry to hear that you have had such negative criticism; its hard to justify as photography is an art form, and so subjective in what we like. There's also probably an element of jealousy in that you are doing what we all would like to do, have enough confidence to try and make it as a pro. Also you get to do it in a stunning location. Odd that they don't like your work, but they are willing to spend their time watching your vlogs. Just about to re-watch some of your older vlogs, as I will be up in Preston over Christmas and intend to get up to the Lakes at least a couple of mornings, so looking for some inspiration and easy to access locations. Must also go and re-read your locations guide.

[@andrewdavies2667]

I know how you feel, what I do is tell myself that even the greats like Charlie Waite, Michael Kenna and Joe Cornish all had their ups and downs with idiots and jealous photographers. Just keep doing what we all do, look, listen and learn, our development process never ends.....

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Andrew, well said. How funny that you picked out those 3. If I had to pick out the 3 photographers that I admire the most it would be Charlie, Michael and Joe. Not just for their photography but for the way that they conduct themselves and encourage others. Top fellas all of them.

[@robertkoch8000]

Chris I must say, the image of the rocks in the foreground is just awesome. I think the softness and gray tones of the sky really allow the rest of the image to stand out so well. My take.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much Robert, kind of you to say so. I was pretty pleased with how that one turned out as well.

[@GeorgeENorkus]

I fully agree about your that on the ones who attempt to talk you down, although there are many who do the same in a reverse way. All they can do is to praise everything anyone does. That doesn't seem to help either.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

You have to be careful in my position not to allow the praise to got to your head. But positive comments give you the confidence to push yourself and to try new things.

[@peterg3021]

Every "Journey" has potholes. To dodge or fall into them is your prerogative. Keep up the good work Chris

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Very true Peter. I just wish there weren't so many people digging potholes on my particular bit of road.

[@TheRileyShot]

Sorry to hear about the negative comments mate. I am a big believer in not just showing your best ever work beacuse I think we have all come to realise that it's not possible and actually it's good to follow pros who show there different types of work, or process to getting them 10 shots a year, so keep going please. As for comments like you aren't good enough to be a pro, honestly mate, I have dealt with these types of people through my other work and unfortunately it's normally just bitterness that some people have, and it's a shame because I appreciate it is very hard to shake off one nasty comment even if you have 100 lovely ones. However, these will be the same people saying the same things in 5 years time because they take 0 risks and don't contribute to this wonderful photography community we have, so in turn don't get anything back either. All the best Scott

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Scott - thanks for this mate. You are right of course, it's just something that we all need to deal with. No doubt it will come to you as your channel grows. I wish you nothing but success for 2020.

[@fostej99]

I agree that criticism - more so hate rather than constructive critique - can stop you experimenting, but I also think the opposite is true. It's easy to get too comfortable when you're getting consistent positive affirmation and appreciation for your photos. I think constructive criticism is vital to take in consideration - not that you have necessarily agree with it - but equally, our 'victories' should be taken just as apprehensively also. What matters most is how you feel about what you are doing.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I think you make an excellent point. I try to take all feedback in the same way, both positive and negative. I am still on the fence about constructive criticism. A lot of other photographers have been suggesting that I get feedback on my work but I still feel that I would prefer to find my own way. I am perhaps overly cautious about allowing myself to be too heavily influenced by others.

[@markthomas6045]

Ooh, that 5 minute exposure (6:45) worked out real nice!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thank you Michelle.

[@juliangreaves4727]

Hey Chris, Don't know why you were worried about a bit of experimentation. Those rocks lined up beautifully for a serine and engaging image. Nice work! Looking forward to hearing details of the exhibition. If I can make it up to see it, I will. Best, J

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Jules - I have definitely felt the effect of the criticism that I have received. But it is part of the game. You can't expect to enjoy all of the benefits of social media without having to endure some of the downsides.

[@trucker5722]

I love your Videos Chris I absolutely admire you for following your dreams, you have shot some fantastic images it looks to me like you're going from strength to strength. To put it bluntly to the ones who are slagging you off "fuck um"

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much mate, I really appreciate it. I wish you all the best for 2020.

[@1961Duane314]

I see and hear it a lot. Even critques can be harmful. They can sway your style and vision and start you making images you never intended to make leaving you unhappy with the results and in essence making you a clone of them if that makes sense. I loved the first image you showed too.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

You and I are on exactly the same wave length! I try not to take too much feedback because I feel that making my own decisions about what works and what doesn't work is essential to developing my own style. Other photographers have encouraged me to seek critique from others but I prefer to figure things out for myself. What you say makes perfect sense to me, they echo my experiences precisely.

[@simonmiles1972]

Some beautiful images here Chris. Keep up the good work.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much mate, I will try! :)

[@dwarren1586]

Great video great advice! ...I really love the critique part also ...it makes my images better ...but saying good luck with being a pro photographer would unleash my tungs filter lol

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much - can I ask, what's a "tungs filter"?

[@dwarren1586]

@@ChrisSalePhoto keeps me from saying bad words lol

[@johnsparkes8963]

As they say Chris you can only please some of the people some of the time but never all of the people all of the time. I think you are doing well. For me you take lovely images.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

You are so right John. And if you try to please everyone you can only hope to produce average work.

[@oddbjrnaustevikfoto]

All I can say to those who critize you mate: Congratulations on 10K subs. Well deserved buddy, and good on you for following your dream. That takes courage. Focus on the positive things I say, even though that's harder to do. Great video and fine images as always.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

LOL, you do make me laugh mate. All the best for 2020, I hope to have a bit more time to enjoy other people's journeys come the new year.

[@tompetersphotography]

Well done mate👍🏻 brilliant job with you Kofi page! I will give your website a browse and book a workshop!😉 can believe you have snow in the hills

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers mate - I have been overwhelmed by the response that I have had. It is so encouraging to know that there are people willing to back me.

[@AlexMcDougallPhotography]

I can’t understand why people would want to knock you and your work. I really liked the image with the rocks. Also I’ve had a go with your buymeacoffee idea as a way of monetising my own work until I can hit the figures required by KZbin. The main thing is whether you succeed or not you will have given it a damn good go. Thanks.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Alex - have you set up a kofi page yet mate? I searched for you but nothing came up.

[@AlexMcDougallPhotography]

@@ChrisSalePhoto Yes I have set up a page but I think they are two separate entities. I have registered with buymeacoffee.com whereas I think Kofi is a different creator website.

[@Chris-NZ]

Really liked those images Chris, especially that first one. Hope you have a great Christmas with your family and I’d just like to say I’ve enjoyed your Vlogs all year.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Chris - I have just remembered that image that you sent me. Apologies from not replying, I will go and do that now.

[@general_crap]

Hi Chris, I've recently discovered your channel and working my way through your videos. Great content and images. It's really good to hear how your 'journey' is going as I myself keep tittering on the edge of 'do I jump to full time freelance or keep the 9-5?' Something I'd like to know is how are you finding the competition in the lake district? Been such a beautiful area is it hard to stand out amongst the crowd of other photographers? Did you have to research your fellow photographers to find a niche or have you not found this to be an issue? One last question did you save for a contingency fund to get you through the early months? Find your channel to be brilliant as there are not many photographers who talk about the realities of becoming a full time freelancer. Most sugar coat it and make it all look very glossy. Keep up the great work and look forward to seeing you and your work develop. Have a fantastic Christmas

[@davidtaylor9492]

Hi Chris For what it’s worth I like your images. I’ve been following you since you turned pro and I must say you presentation is top notch. For once someone with a real story to tell that interests me. Keep up the good work I for one will be interested to see how it works out for you. Good luck.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much David. I feel that I have make a decent start but the hard work will start in 2020. Bring it on I say!

[@davidtaylor9492]

Chris Sale good luck mate, as I said I’ll be with you all the way

[@pedro_da_silveira]

Well done Chris! Keep up with the good work 👍

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thank you Pedro, I will try.

[@tammymellertphoto]

Great video Chris. Ignore the critics and keep moving on. Those who feel the need to give unsolicited critics or say things to throw a wrench in your progress are those who either have zero talent or who are afraid to take a chance themselves. Its a cowards way to criticize the brave moves of another. Keep your head up, your batteries charged and your feed on the trails! Hugs

[@robertbellomy2]

Nice work!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thank you Robert.

[@0730Media]

There will always be people out there who think they are better, yet the chances are they are the ones who aren’t courageous enough to make the leap and go professional. Your KZbin growth and your cofi page, are testament to the hard work and dedication you have put in and continue to put in. Keep up the excellent work......oh and a quick question.....how do you make the sound on your videos so awesome. Have a good Christmas Chris.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Simon - thank you very much mate, certainly I am proud of what I have achieved so far, even with the criticism I have received. For my videos I use a Canon M50 with a Røde Video Micro. The sound is exactly as it is out of the camera, I do nothing else to it except drop the volume by about 10%. Hope that helps. All the best for 2020.

[@0730Media]

Chris Sale I’ve just added the same mic to my kit, adding the M50 in the new year, and a better specification of Mac, as I’m finding now my MacBook Air is lagging when I’m trying to view videos, and footage with any kind of processing on it. Filmed a local project on Christmas Eve morning, shot 4 hours of footage, using my Nikon d7000 and iPhone on gimbal, and managed to edit it into an 8 minute video and get it onto my channel by about 10pm on Xmas eve. Have a cracking new year pal, and looking forward to watching more from your channel in 2020.

[@springerspanielful]

We have an old saying in Tipperary "F##K the begrudgers" onwards and upwards Chris.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I think the people of Tipperary are very wise George - all the best for 2020, I look forward to bumping into you at some point.

[@alanfogelquist1351]

One of the greatest challenges of a landscape photographer is to find some landscape.

[@bestpix100]

I like your work and your passion, I like most of the pictures you take and will generally post comments to reflect that. I have stopped watching some of the top 'Pro's Vlogs as they have become more and more like advertorials. Keep up the good work!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I get you about the other channels. It is something that I need to be careful of. I am not sure I get the balance right all of the time. Hopefully people will give me the benefit of the doubt as I adjust to my new life.

[@KODOPhoto]

Lovely images altogether. It looks as though the ND's added a color cast to the mountain tops. Maybe try bringing up those whites in the in the peaks a tad more in conjunction with a luminosity mask in LR. Also, on my screen anyway, the trees far right and rock in the foreground lack any detail on the right hand side. Perhaps a gentle hand at dodging?

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Kevin - thanks for your comments. A lot of good stuff here. Cheers.

[@BMRTV]

10:52 I like how the glowy spot draw the eye through the image

[@jasonw6640]

F@#K the haters! Keep trying, keep working at it! I've been working on my KZbin channel, and you are an absolute inspiration with what you're doing and trying. KEEP AT IT!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Jason - are you going to start a landscape photography channel? Either way good luck mate - I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

[@jasonw6640]

No I couldn’t compete with you 😀 I started a gardening channel (yes another one) but your story and adventures are still inspiring

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

@@jasonw6640 - Really? Well good luck mate, I wish you all the success. If you have any questions please just ask.

[@jasonw6640]

Thank you

[@heyalexjota]

People seeks for attention. Sometimes because they're bored or just because (which is sadder)... Just keep the work up! You're doing great :) Once I get around I will try to go to Lake District and we can catch up for a coffee! :)

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Holá Alex! If you do make it here to the Lake District I hope we'd get the chance to do more than just go for a coffee! :)

[@heyalexjota]

@@ChrisSalePhoto Absolutely mate! :)

[@jimarmstrong1458]

Chris, really nice shots. Question, did you try taking the last photo (in high winds) without the long exposure. I think the drama of wind action on water and storm clouds should sometimes be embraced. In my humble (and unprofessional) opinion, the smooth water and clouds resulted in empty space, leaving the eye searching for something of interest to latch onto. All in all, excellent work!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Jim, I completely agree with you about long exposures removing some of the drama from an image. I have been experimenting with shutter speeds of around 1/2 a second to retain detail in the sky and water. I expect there will be a video about it in the coming months.

[@1spitfirepilot]

I wish you well, Chris - you deserve success.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thank you very much, very kind of you.

[@raesalmon]

We all wish those sort of people would just go away Chris. If they don't enjoy what you do they should just look elsewhere. Liked the long exposure stuff on this vlog. Have a really good Xmas and an even more successful new year!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Ray - I get people that turn up week after week to criticise or drop the odd cutting remark. I don't know why they bother. Who has the time to watch stuff they don't actually like? Merry Christmas.

[@raesalmon]

@@ChrisSalePhoto they are not worth worrying about. There are a lot more on here that admire what you are doing and believe me when I say that I am sure most of us wish you every success.

[@BobbyBabaletskos]

Hi, Chris! I feel the long exposure picture was very successful! I don't feel you blew out any of the highlights. Did you have to tone the highlights down considerably?

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Bobby - I usually do a lot to tune the exposure in Lightroom and probably pushed things a little more with these images, lifting the shadows and pulling down the highlights. This is generally the case when I shoot in the direction of the sun.

[@MarkMcNeill22]

my motto is if it makes you smile forget the rest. negativity is rife at the moment be a happy soul in between the trolls the better you get the more the trolls raise there ugly heads

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Mark - good advice. All the best for 2020 mate.

[@merllin359]

Some good images there Chris. Why do people buy pictures? Is it because it's technically perfect or because they like it? Chances are that if You like the picture someone else will too. Just keep doing it your way and ignore those rude people. Good to see you back out and making videos.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Excellent advice Mike - Rude? That is exactly what they are! Well said mate! I have always been very intolerant of rudeness in others, there is no excuse for it in my eyes.

[@pawelgieralt8992]

Haters always try to bring others down to make them feel better ... because they are at the bottom already 😊

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

That's very sad isn't it Pawel. That some people would rather pull others down than lift themselves up.

[@BrettHondow]

Don't worry about the knockers, they're everywhere. Just treat them like the small child they are, laugh at them and move on. As to your images, they're awesome! Don't worry about blown highlights in the sky, sun etc. They are naturally blown out anyway, to try to tone down all the highlights just makes for an unnatural look in my opinion. (Mike Browne's opinion as well).

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Brett - maybe you are right. I have always tried to treat people with respect regardless of how they have treated me. Perhaps I should just laugh at them.

[@martinhall2593]

To have the balls to quit a good job and turn a hobby into a new full time job is a statement that blows away any criticism from the start. Chris I follow about 7 photographers on KZbin, and watch hundreds of videos from others, they all get criticism. And it still amazes me that the 7 I follow, you are the guy with the oldest camera with the least MP Sensor from the 7. But prove the point it’s about the talent behind the camera that inspires others like me to love this hobby even more. How can anyone criticise that. Keep the vlogs coming mate, you are going to achieve this journey with ease.👍🏼

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thank you Martin for those kind words. I am starting to learn that criticism is all part of the game for those of us that choose to share our passion here on KZbin. I wish you all the best for 2020.

[@brianmccutcheon3205]

Ar most people are good at heart. Some are never happy unless they make someone’s life a misery. Sad creatures. But what goes around comes around. You are doing okay sport.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I think you are right Brian, generally most people are pretty decent. I do find it impossible to empathise with people who delight in bringing misery upon someone else. Life can be difficult enough without others going out of their way to make it harder. There must be something missing from their own lives. Very sad.

[@scotttilleyphotography]

To be fair Chris hard work and the market will decide, not the plonkers who probably don't have the nuts to do it themselves. I say good luck to you!!👍

[@Curtis-Randall]

I love my Benro ball heads. I’ve tried others and ended up returning every thing and kept only the benro heads

[@steven_willems]

Chris, you shot some quite long exposures in this video. I also have the 6D Mark I, but when I take plus one minute exposures, I get a lot of colored (hot?) pixels. Is that something you’re experiencing as well? It’s terribly annoying to clean those up :/ Good luck on your endeavor by the way, love the way you’re approaching and sharing it 👌

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Steven, yeah, unfortunately that can be a bit of a problem. I don't think it is limited to the 6D, I think it is something that effects all digital cameras. I tend to clean them up while I am removing dust spots from my images.

[@grzegorzdlugosz8865]

Man, I’ve been following Your jurney from the video that You are going full time. I’m really exicited for You and I have some tips for You that may help You. First of all don’t try to take an image every time You go out, sometimes the conditions just aren’t there and the photo will not look at it best. I love Your compositions but on the most of them You are missing some stunning light. I know it is hard, but if You slow down a little with publishing Your images and share only best ones no one will be angry ;) I believe that 1 good photo a month is a amazing outcome. You are rn in amazing posicion to go out every day of the week, try to focus more on the lighting. If there is no amazing light maybe try to use 70-200 and get come close up compositions (that I actually prefer to wide Angles but that may just be me). So maybe You can experiment with this a little bit ;) there are times when wide angle compositions are boring becouse lighting is not perfect. Keep on doing great work and I’m sure You will succed in Your jurney. Sorry for my english by I’m not Native speaker ;P also to ensure You that I’m not just an internet person who thinks he knows everything, come Please visit my webside gdlugosz.com, I do mainly wildlife but some landscapes as well ;) good luck Man! I’m crossing my fingers

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Grezgorz - I think this is excellent advice and something that I will bear in mind in the future. However, I also have to be aware that my business will be built on helping others to get good images and they won't always get perfect conditions. I did check out your website - beautiful work mate!

[@mikekay6288]

Chris, remember the criticism Charles Darwin got, and still gets { A different theme, but same principle). Ignore and keep visiting and sharing with us who follow you. You also picked some great scenes to return to after your short break and produced top snow capped pics. Mike in Oz

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Mike - yeah, Darwin got his fair share didn't he and look at all the hate that is being flung at Greta Thunberg at the moment. If she can deal with it then so can I! :)

[@paultaylorphotography9499]

Criticism is welcome when it's positive and can learned from, but just blanket negativity is to be ignored. Creators are easy targets for keyboard critics. If they don't like what you're doing they can go back to east bloody enders. Keep going mate nice video.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

You never fail to bring a smile to my face Paul - is that why you emigrated? To escape Eastenders?

[@paultaylorphotography9499]

Chris Sale one of the reasons mate for sure 📷✊️✊️

[@coopscorner123]

The people who don't like what you do, and only find fault with it... for one lame reason or another... are usually either envious or jealous of your abilities. Also, they are stupid about what good photography really is. Though, Jason Goldhawk has a point. If you mention your workshops at the start of a video and at the end... briefly... that works really well, and doesn't interrupt the rest of the video. You might want to try it, and see if your viewers notice.

[@SimonBurnCreative]

Those who feel the need to criticise you publicly on social media are insecure, jealous, seeking attention, or just lacking in social intelligence. Sod 'em. Do what you feel is right, and don't fear making mistakes 🙂🎅👍

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I couldn't agree more mate. First rule of giving negative feedback is not to do it in an open forum. Unless of course your motivation is to demonstrate your superiority to the world! :)

[@monkeysausage2404]

It's the internet, haters got to hate! If you're going to have an online presence you got to have a thick skin. I'd imagine a lot of the folks criticising are just jealous that you're pushing for your dream while they aren't. Best of luck mate.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Mark - I think it has surprised me how much it has got to me. Most of the time I handle it pretty well, I am not a kid and this isn't my first rodeo! But since making the announcement that I am trying to become a professional I feel the criticism has intensified. I hope that you are right and it is just because of jealously.

[@HikingWithMartin]

You always get idiots that dont want you to do well, of course when you go to look for their work....they dont have any. So dont worry about it, keep going looks like you are doing well!

[@thevalleywalker]

interesting episode Chris and reading through Lynne's points below I think she has made some excellent points. Going forward on the subject of critique how about inviting a fellow tog to have an open discussion on yours or their works? I think it's a subject that would generate a lot of interest. My choice of someone who would give that honest appraisal with good critique would be someone like fellow you tuber Greg Whitton?

[@andreiiasi]

1, Try to grow thick skin mate...You put yourself out there therefore you will have bad comments and insults, try to live with it 2. I rather be insulted by an idiot then praised by a " FRIEND" who doesn't mean his PRAISES...

[@cillyede]

La critique est aisée, mais l’art est difficile. Good evening from Germany.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

That is very true! Thank you so much. Merry Christmas! :)