iiTzTimmy Reacts to ImperialHal & Verhulst Drama...

[@Hoka2]

evan, hal, zipp, and all the yt channels EATING GOOD THIS MONTH

[@info_two]

hal has no issue saying how he feels at any moment, on stream, in front of the biggest platform in the community. with that, there shouldn't be any issue with evan doing the same.

[@aegis-vii3071]

The difference is this was a private discussion first, involving each others feelings towards each other. It was not made to be public... Hal raging because Evan made a dumb play and calling him dumb, is just passion and normal because its business.

[@aegis-vii3071]

Also he knew who Hal was, when he joined he knew how he acted and his grind to win. To sit here and yap about how hard it is to play with him.

[@boldnotbald3705]

Hal said way worse things to his teammates ON STREAM mid-games for the last 2 years. And now Hal’s offended that Evan admitted he didn’t enjoy playing with him? How is that fair?

[@info_two]

@@aegis-vii3071 there were plenty of times where it was brought up on stream in the past. i just think evan had to be super mature about it all for a long time. but couldnt hold it in anymore.

[@info_two]

@@boldnotbald3705 its true. & im a big hal fan. just strange to see him in his feelings about this. its really not that big of a deal. by not just accepting it and sayings its for views is yet another way to berate an old teamate.

[@MiguelJackson22]

Apex community finna farm off this

[@CyrusIsnt]

Like them HK bots

[@moneybound4131]

What does finna mean?

[@moneybound4131]

What does finna mean?

[@JSp8]

​@@moneybound4131type of cabbage that grows on the internet and it gets farmed and turned back into data.

[@lainnbun]

@@moneybound4131adventure time

[@TexasTears]

This is the new Kendrick and Drake

[@antje0334]

No its not

[@soccerguy2433]

who?

[@Slitherv5]

Like, “don’t tell no lies about me, and I won’t tell truths about you?” Type shi type shi

[@neos.4587]

Hal = Kendrick, Verhulst = Drake and Reps = J Cole

[@codeTopia379]

Virgin ahh drama

[@allisterfield6028]

i think what evan said is fine i think hal is in his right to react the way he did too. let's be honest the chats are blowing this way out of proportion

[@Carbonbblack]

I don’t think it’s that bad that Evan admitted he didn’t like playing with Hal it’s not like he trashed him as a person etc

[@aja3longhorn375]

Eh.. if you listened to him say it it was pretty much trashing him as a person

[@ros6919]

He did kinda trash him

[@sylveonnn3704]

Hal fanboys

[@DancingCat999]

Imagine a Hal Vs Evan boxing match. ALGS should stream it

[@neos.4587]

Daltoosh is the commentator and he has to be drunk

[@DancingCat999]

Yes that would be great commentary, they should get nice wigg in to it would be class. the ALGS channel should call it ALGS split one Boxing

[@neos.4587]

@@DancingCat999 NiceWigg to cancel out Daltoosh rooting for however is gonna f up Hal. We all know damn well Toosh is only there to see Hal's face getting punched.

[@DancingCat999]

@@neos.4587 id watch it plainly to see if he can throw hands almost as well as he can throw his controller

[@Its_smitthy47]

Hal can was had no filter for YEARS but the moment Evan wants to speak up Hal gets butthurt…. FOH

[@DarkAuroraBlade]

Evan brought up a discussion that was resolved as a team in PRIVATE. To Hal's knowledge there was no beef and everything is good. Then you get Evan airing all this shit out. AND it doesn't even paint Hal in a bad light cos it was Jordan and Evan that got lazy and stopped grinding whilst, Hal continued to grind.

[@soccerguy2433]

@@DarkAuroraBlade so? its honesty.

[@DarkAuroraBlade]

@@soccerguy2433 i'm just going to speculate what you mean by its honesty. So if im wrong let me know. IF you are saying evan airing all this out is honesty then, no, he wasn't being honest as what has been mentioned Hal has talked about the low vibes, not grinding, is it an issue with him (hal) and evan said no everything is fine it the problem is not you. So either evan lied to hal directly at his face or everything was solved and there isn't a need to air this out.

[@ElyciusM]

You missed the part about the fine line. This video skips out on A LOT of what was said by both parties.

[@hoodyplz]

I think the they were just together part was wild to me you drop your bro off and he does a whole live to roast you damn😂

[@sergjim2377]

Idk if Evan should have said any of this, it should have stayed within the team

[@fedism]

no it shoudnt

[@ItsDdvdd]

Saying it on stream was a business decision

[@m0bb-_-]

@@fedismwhy tho? Now both of will have to deal with a large amount of haters just for a quick buck.

[@kyanhu9261]

Well the team is over and it’s not Ike Evan’s saying anything new. If anything it’ll just create more content like this and even more of a storyline between TSM and Falcons. I think we’re just more shocked because it’s coming from Evan.

[@unscarred444]

You obviously never been on a team ..

[@tPeazyy]

Just sounds like they all are hurt over nothing. What evan said wasnt even that bad. Raven is just sensitive. And its only being fueled by internet trolls.

[@notben7]

Most sensible take

[@tPeazyy]

@@notben7 evan only answered a question on a podcasts, then raven over reacts, then evan comes out and says immature stuff, and then here hal is with his immature stuff... lol high school girl drama. All 3 of them look like bozos. The only one who doesn't is reps, the least insecure person on that team, go figure. It's almost like hea grown enough not to feed the Internet BS

[@DarkAuroraBlade]

@@tPeazyy Well Evan said Raven got complacent and fell off near the end. Then he mentioned we all fell off. But in reality it's just him and jordan that fell off because of lack of passion and laziness. That is why Raven took offense to Evan's answer.

[@nnoir]

@@DarkAuroraBlade I dont see how Raven's reason is valid at all though. Evan was not motivated to play because of Hal. Thats an issue between the players. Instead of trying to resolve it he decides to stop caring as much because Evan did the same? Yeah thats a huge hit to his rep as a coach and any decent org with be hesitant to sign him. By definition a coach instructs and trains the team. He didn't do that at all he just let the ship sink. Simply bc he felt hurt that Evan wasn't reciprocating his feelings. What a joke.

[@DarkAuroraBlade]

@@nnoir First of all Raven didn't even know Evan didn't want to play with Hal anymore cos Evan didn't tell anyone. Hal even confronted Evan and asked if this has anything to with him (Hal) and Evan says no. So how do you expect Raven to fix what he doesn't even know needs fixing? Raven continued doing his job and tried to get Evan to play more but Evan didn't listen and just didn't care. There is only so much a coach can do when a player just doesn't give any shits. You can see this happen in the NBA with harden, kyrie, and KD with Steve Nash, Lebron & AD with Darvin Ham. Ultimately, the coach just gives up and let it ride out.

[@ImNorrinRadd]

I've been watching TSM compete for the last 2 years and I've noticed the same pattern: Hal is a bit of a bully and often craps on his teammates whenever they don't make plays as he would. It's like he wants teammates that have a playing style that clones his own and if you don't fit that mold, he'll insult you like you're a child or like you're completely incompetent. That's why he said he noticed that Mac couldn't "handle his shit anymore" and Evan felt the same way. Hal dishes out so many insults and over time that shit adds up and pisses off the people he's supposed to be vibing with. Mark my words, we'll see the SAME EXACT ISSUE with Team Falcons eventually. Watch...

[@misfort2ne]

lol or maybe if Mac and Verhulst picked up their weight there wouldn’t be no problem they got lazy and complacent, simple while he’s grinding 8 hours they’re complaining, how would you feel if you knew that everyone wasn’t trying as hard as you? Wanting results you would feel some way to

[@ImNorrinRadd]

@@misfort2ne Verhulst is practically known as the "Clutch King" in the world of Apex Legends. I can't count how many clutch clips he's solely responsible for, including in ALGS. He holds his weight plenty. Can't say the same for Mac but Verhulst is fine. And he puts in PLENTY of hours grinding just like Hal. You'd know this if you actually watched his stream.

[@TruceGoeyOfficial]

Fr these are men bro idc dont talk to men like they are kids and thats what these hal fans dont understand you get punched in real life this this behavior so what he said doesnt seem that bad to me he has feelings

[@misfort2ne]

@@TruceGoeyOfficial “these are men” Verhulst has never worked a REAL JOB, if you can’t take the heat get out the kitchen simple, HAL WANTS RESULTS ZER0 and Genburten WILL GET HIM RESULTS

[@ElyciusM]

For the people that have only seen the clips in this video, there's a lot more to it. Timmy actually missed out on all the juicest parts of the drama, so he didn't really get the full picture.

[@johnyeung6329]

Thumbnail got me ngl

[@bruterasta]

Hal didn't hide his problems with his teammates. He openly said that he had to become Jesus at champs and he's frustrated that they're loosing fights despite him doing a lot of work by himself. There is a reason people started to blame Reps all of a sudden after Hal left TSM.

[@wildouter]

hal lost passion last year they almost didnt make it to lan you can actually go watch his apology where he tears up and gives all the props to evan and jordan for popping off so it doesnt even matter

[@chumchum2191]

What’s weird is that they still live together lol

[@Viju489]

What?

[@pilinks85]

Dumb. No they dont

[@ElyciusM]

Timmy skipped through all of the good shit, Hal says in this same rant that they're not actually living together anymore. He just still streams from his office in the tsm house.

[@SwSAS1786]

They still live together. Hal streams from a separate house. So when Hal is done streaming, he drives home to the house he lives in with Evan and Jordan.

[@WolfonMars1]

​@@pilinks85 they absolutely still live together. Hal came into evans room Sunday after algs. They all move out in July

[@alecriley291]

The whole argument for viewership would make sense if Hal didn't have the highest viewership in the community 😂😂

[@Jessy-Blaze]

They’re obviously engagement farming 😂

[@devanarebyrd4005]

“I love being honest”😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheGoldenApex]

This is actually insane, I can’t believe what just happened!!! Sad TSM moment😭😭😭

[@WhosMathew]

Bro I legit new years ago that the communication was lacking. I don't know the full story, but it seemed like they had a hard time listening and following hals calls and it caused tension imo

[@ethansmith5106]

It’s def not fake. You can see how hard this last couple months have been. Broke up with his women, left his team, and is moving out of the team house. I actually feel for him a bit but at the same time I understand Evan’s side and don’t see anything wrong with what he said.

[@tailwind101]

3:54 i was thinking this lmao. they are too quick to take offense.

[@buddylee19082]

This is all about ego's, and I think Hal is spot on about Evan being indentical to Mack in regards to his resentments revolving around how Hal handles his team.

[@BenjaminCarey-l2x]

Hal should discuss on the fact that everyone says he’s not a fun guy to play with, and not try with all his might to play victim. He’s gotta also take a hint and some criticism. Can’t let ego get in the way so much

[@ElyciusM]

He did discuss it. He went into full detail on it. You should watch the full rants by both of them to see the full picture.

[@neos.4587]

WHO is "everyone"? The losers who can't win or the viewers who can't even play the game? It is like me telling Tom Brady how he can improve....Do you think Tom Brady will take me seriously? Try to be more positive and happy so your trash team can go from 8th place to 5th place. With the power of friendship and butterflies one day we can get half the achievements Hal has. Do you think playing with MJ, Kobe, LeBron or Ronaldo is fun? No, it's miserable but guess what they couldn't care less because they are dominating.

[@DrUnafraid]

3:50 Hmm Timmy🤔

[@Packedburrito]

Hal knows when it's time to come to work. Seems like Evan likes to talk alot about business decisions but still thinks apex is just a game for them.

[@mattw6705]

I feel like its mostly just their viewers farming for drama

[@Dman-ch5jo]

Im sorry but if i wad in a team and my team mate talked to me like hals does id hate the fucking game after a season, its tiring being abused for how long its been going on for

[@danielkunkler7293]

Especially seeing how this all came from the context of talking about raven and his responsibilities. He DID used to defuse the rage and also redirect it at Hal so it didn’t seems as targeted. It’s gotta feel shitty to be the teams punching bag.

[@jarvismack5570]

This is THEIR JOB!!CONTRACTUALLY ...Evan doesn't get that it's PERFORM OR BE REPLACED...it's still just a game for him..they are supposed to be PROFFESSIO AL Apex players..Hal doesn't have time for mediocre...Any competitor and teammate who wants to have a successful career gets that

[@crisprfps]

@@jarvismack5570 Did you say PROFESSIONAL and in the mean time support childish rage and trash-talk on teammates? Have you ever worked in a professional setup with a boss? If you did, I wonder what kinda boss you had who constantly yells at employees! I hope your idea of professionalism doesn't revolve around Mcdonalds experience. A boss leads the team, analyses mistakes, gives constructive criticism to enhance employee performance. And after strategic approach, if the employee still doesn't improve, he replaces. Yelling to enhance an employee's performance only works on personnel who have been abused in their whole life it's normal for them. Not on normal people. If you really like Hal's management, just say, it's just a game, people rage and trash talk, normal. But do not even utter the word professionalism when you have no fuckin idea how the professional world works, and how performance is captivated from employees.

[@edmo1450]

This can be drama on Evans fault, but i feel like it was needed. ppl respect hal for his gameplay and Not attitude. but still, hal continuing with a response and then being passive aggressive YET AGAIN is kinda toxic behavior. this isnt over

[@wildouter]

its crazy that evan just answered a question on a podcast, then raven and hal went on a hour rant raging. even after verhulst responded both of them have said more than evan has. some ppl never even went back and even listened to what evan said and think he started it off by trash talking and saying fucked up shit you can tell when because they dont even know evan did mention he got lazy and felloff himself

[@MichaelMunoz-ms9ty]

Timmy verh and enemy would be a chill team I would say design but idk maybe it’s time to part ways

[@steezyhaha1163]

Nobody said anything until Evan did Hal and revans reactions are valid

[@mattw6705]

I think Evans feelings are valid, if you're IGL and even coach are being negative all the time, of course you might wanna quit. But at the same time I think Hal and Raven are valid in their feelings also. Ultimately I think it's their viewers drama farming and it's really just a nothing burger imo.

[@tPeazyy]

No not really. After seeing the clip of Evan on the podcast it doesn't seem like anything. Raven definitely overreacted to that comment. and then evan did come out with some more wild takes, but the whole internet is fueling this whole thing from the podcast clip. Which is nothing, he answers a question and raven got his panties in a bunch and so did hal cause they already kinda hate evan for giving up on them in pro league. Which I 1 cause raven is a weirdo and 2 cause hal cant take criticism. Even his whole speech in the end about being nice doesn't get you wins is hilarious. He found a way to play the victim to his own immaturity 🤣 so unaware.

[@DarkAuroraBlade]

@@mattw6705 " if you're IGL and even coach are being negative all the time" that only occurred because Evan stopped grinding and got lazy. A coach can only do so much if their players don't want to listen. Hal gets frustrated because Evan makes dumb mistakes because he isn't grinding enough and locked in.

[@mattw6705]

@@DarkAuroraBlade That's fair but it's not all on Evan. Shit vibes are shit vibes, and Raven and Hal had shit vibes. Part of Ravens job should be to help keep team moral up, and he failed. Then Hal gave up on the boys, so wtf?

[@DarkAuroraBlade]

@@mattw6705 fair point to shit vibes but it's hard to maintain vibes when the players have already mentally checked out. i believe Hal telling jordan and evan that if they do not do well in split 1 he's gonna look for another team was to motivate them. clearly it didn't so he left to join another team that has his mindset. always on the grind and want to win. end of the day evan just didn't want to put up with Hal's way of igling anymore cos they had already won.

[@flyinchancla3545]

Timmy watched this and was inspired lol😂

[@kevmarro]

Hmmm do you think Hal might be implying that Evan is leaving TSM or getting dropped? Stirring this up to potentially have more buzz around him. I don’t think Evan is being disingenuous with what he’s saying or has an agenda though. Everything he’s said sounds honest and it sounds like both Raven and Hal are just upset with speaking about it at all. They don’t want to hear “fell off” or “hated playing with Hal”. To be fair to Hal and Raven, Evan didn’t have to say any of the stuff he said. No one was really pressuring him, sounds like a slip and now he has to talk about all of it.

[@BigSuzpekt]

It was definitely a slip, but Verlhust decided to double down. A slip can happen and its understandable, but he could've still handled it differently in his response. All that Hal stuff could've been avoided in his response to Raven. lol

[@Azthura]

Are they still living in the same house?

[@fizz_time7003]

Pretty sure, that’s the same room he’s always been in when he lived with them

[@basseedd]

Yes

[@DarkAuroraBlade]

I believe jordan and evan lives in TSM house while Hal only streams at the TSM house and travels back home.

[@ElyciusM]

@@DarkAuroraBlade Yes, this is correct. He says later on in this clip that he is no longer living there. But he is (obviously) still streaming there because it's his office space for now.

[@attice_yt8448]

They did something great together, but at the end of the day they are still two really different ppl. We all knew Evan was frustrated playing with Hal, and Hal knew it was time to move forward. They all made great decisions for themselves, it’s not even a drama. Y’all be overreacting like y’all 12 years old lol, nothing Evan said was news. Ppl can be friends but they don’t get along well when playing games, it’s no big deal.

[@AbirZenith]

My only issue is Evan is moving the goal post to take away responsibility from his underperformance and getting lazy, if that was affecting him so much, he should not have joined a team with Hal to begin with, what did he think he was getting into ? He is a professional player who gets paid to perform. Of course your leader and coach will lose it if you are not doing your job. Verhulst just wants to make bank and not work 9-5 job, Hal wants to be a champion, huge difference.

[@rafaellouro2144]

Dezign must be a 10 times harder to play teammate than Hal If Hal goes in first frags one guy and does 70 dmg on the second and they still lose the 3v3, you know Hal gonna bitch like crazy.

[@40cm76]

3:55 exactly what i thought

[@gleetR]

Both of them boys need therapy, communication skills are lacking. One says too much too harshly without taking accountability for his teammates feelings, the other doesn’t say enough and is too sweet until the pressure cooker pops and he lashes out. Couples counseling.

[@mellodyz9345]

Dont they all still live with each other till july?

[@cody_raves]

I’m confused, why is Hal mad? What did even do? Edit : never mind 2:01 Timmy gives the tldr

[@Peluksthedude_]

Put those dudes in the ring already

[@austinrichardson433]

Take a shot everytime you hear weird and honest

[@cameroncopas5953]

What’s weird for me is Evan bringing it up now the way he did. If they weren’t still friends I get it but for him to drag him the way he did and say we still friends though is nuts. People expect Hal not to react when his friends rips him on stream. Literally exposing the worst thing about someone to random people but claiming to be friends is crazy. Hal’s not wrong for responding the way he did. Evan’s not in wrong because he was being honest.

[@WhosDeity]

none of those virgins can fight. i def wanna see it lol

[@marcuswatt1682]

Big E is a muppet 😂

[@unscarred444]

Mickey Mouse drama with the sensitive apex community. Its kinda cringe when you have one guy who acts unfiltered and gets triggred when some one puts their bigboy pants on.

[@darkalexander9158]

Nah it's very sensible, you don't understand how this stuff works and yeah that's ok. In this context it's understandable to be upset, to a degree it slanders both sides it causes both sides to get massive amounts of haters and yeah maybe it's for publicity but that's a risk with every single game. Similar situations have happened with cod and even Fortnite..

[@ElJuk3B0X]

Big E can do no wrong

[@lycanismusic]

Hal had nothing but good words to say when he left on stream, lowkey kinda sad on verhulsts side... man must be sad or something, but squash that shit inn private you dont need the worlds opinion of your homie.

[@b7shoota]

So much for big E’s EA positivity award 💀

[@420]

Duh! Evan, Reps, Snipedown, probably Albralalie would all agree that Hal is a horrible teammate, because he is mentally stunted and cannot communicate without bashing his own team. Dude is verbally abusive and everybody has watched it for years.

[@brendangabriel5820]

Hal has the biggest ego it’s kinda wild to watch.

[@soccerguy2433]

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[@RickGrimes807]

Exactly. He can say and do whatever he wants and hurt whoever he wants, but god forbid anyone says the slightest criticism about him. Hal is soft

[@xxmegapunch3899]

Even gets the most positive player award. Now is the drama queen of the community lol. Seems like he just clout chases

[@zTomLeeYT]

Hal says it happens every time not realizing hes the problem lmao hes a baby and whines and cries all the time

[@ElyciusM]

I love how yall talk without seeing the whole clip. Youve gotta watch the full clips from both sides. He literally says there's a mentality difference. And that's fine. That's why they resolved everything in private, and they went their separate ways. Hal found a team who shares the same mentality as him. And that's what he meant by leaving TSM and choosing a team solely based on "who he wants to play with" which is initially what he talked about on the first stream after the announcement video of him leaving tsm. Neither him, nor Evan was the problem. It's a collective effort of them just not meshing when it comes to winning and what they need to do so.

[@roman111117]

Apex games gone enteratinment television

[@christopherp2205]

We can all agree that Evan is a good person, but I personally think this wasn’t a good move on his behalf. I’m sure there’s a lot we don’t know, and maybe he was just talking out of frustration. I just don’t think it was a smart choice to throw jabs at Raven. There’s a time and place for everything and I don’t think airing this out live for everyone to see was the move. I’d hate to see Evan get negative repercussions from all this but he did this to himself. And if this really is some sort of marketing ploy to farm views then I’ve lost respect for Evan. I get it, drama sells but don’t burn bridges for the whole world to see. Raven responded and now Hal is getting his words in as well. We’re seeing a snowball effect from this. It sucks to see them part ways as a team but sucks even more to watch this shit being aired out for all of us to see. Hopefully this is the peak of all the drama and they settle this peacefully. We all make mistakes, it’s a part of life. I just hope there’s a lesson learned for all parties involved in this. I guess time will tell on how this all unfolds.

[@jeffreymullin5584]

I swear, there was less gossip in my HS. Lol, yall some clowns

[@3izzy33]

Im the hal in all of my friend groups. But because we arent winning money or tourneys they just like to downplay how good i am. Until they dont play with me lol this also goes past games and even in life like school or work or activities

[@honganshaw3419]

Hal want to win, so he act like that, if you are pro playing game for living, it's no bullshit.

[@TavonB]

My thoughts exactly lol. At the end of the day they are playing for an org and winning is necessary to keep their jobs. Plus who's gonna play competitively to lose lol, lets do the best we can and get that grind in.

[@CyrusIsnt]

Some people trip out though. Lets just says both sides of understandable. But theres only so much one could take.

[@holeindanssock156]

Wrong. Your all wrong. You literally just justified being a negative person, because they play a competitive game. So by your logic only winners are negative people who verbally abuse their teamates for 5 years straight? Yeah ok great logic. Sounds like you are 18 and haven't found your morals yet. Heres to hoping you do one day....

[@honganshaw3419]

@@holeindanssock156 I hate mean person too...., it's just the fact.

[@Cope69]

So Hal can go on stream after Ravens rant and leak Evans private convo about being burnt out and wanting to quit at that period, but the moment Evan says his side it's now him being a pos? Hal you can't personally attack your team for years and leak shit then play the victim.

[@neos.4587]

You somehow left out the part where Verhulst was hanging out with his homie and later that same day decided to rant about his homie on stream. Hal lost his team, girlfriend and his homie backstabbed him. Dude, how would you feel? You sure as shit wouldn't act rational either.

[@sayb4431]

@@neos.4587 when I loose my team, my gf and my homie... ...I think that would be the right place and time to think about my own behaviour.

[@Cope69]

@@sayb4431 He's so deluded that he won't change becuase of his success and income. Money over morals ig. I mean the dude can't even go 5 seconds without spam clicking his mouse or doing an emote like moving his hat.

[@Cope69]

@@neos.4587 Okay but you left out that the day before Hal leaked private conversations between him and Evan. Bit hypocritical, only ok when Hal does it since that's his M.O?

[@frostback2123]

Sound like girls with gossip 😂😂😂😂

[@BoxCatKeys]

I believe the original video is closer to 50 minutes. He's whining to his Twitch chat about Evan expressing himself to his chat only to turn around and do it himself. This is a nothing burger. I'm a casual Apex player with barely any followship toward any of the pro league, but I'm still well aware of how narcissistic and childish Hal is. If they can patch things up outside of the game then good on them. As for TSM, I'm glad theyre done.

[@JKallday19]

He's young is all

[@jboogy3239]

Faking drama 😂

[@PanicQueen4]

As roommates i wouldn't talk trash 🤷 don't they still live together that'd just make it awkward. E shoulda waited until hal moved to complain. Now you gotta go to the toilet angy everytime you see them

[@BasherrYT]

Hal is the only person who can be a prick then blame others for not liking him lmao

[@aja3longhorn375]

He’s not. He’s criticizing Evan because Hal clearly could’ve called him out publicly cus he caught a lot of flak for leaving TSM. But he chose not to and took the heat despite the fact Evan straight up stopped playing the game several times.

[@BasherrYT]

the meat riding is crazy

[@aja3longhorn375]

@@BasherrYT I'm not surprised someone with a cartoon raccoon as a profile picture is afraid of conflict

[@KozieCouch]

Hal can’t make a video about leaving and expecting TSM to say nothing… 🤷🏼‍♂️ the hypocrisy of that is annoying. Let these guys speak to their followers.

[@who_doge]

I kind of lost my respect to Hal cuz of this. I get Evan was out of line when he introduced the drama, but i think Hal took this way too personal. I agree about the passion difference both people have and stuff, but what he alone said was worse than what Evan had said. If you're going down the path where you insult back, keep it at the same level and don't make it worse. This drama is just awful

[@Uninx1]

Did we watch the same video? What did Hal say that was out of line

[@who_doge]

@Uninx1 it just seems like he was attacking evan more than evan did to him. That's why I said that both sides of the drama is in the wrong. Hal was in the wrong for further instigating the drama (and yes I know it was aimed to him as well) while just focusing on the facts rather than emotions. Evan is in the wrong for bringing the drama in the first place as it should've stayed private. I respect Hal as a player, but i no longer support him as a person given his history when it comes to drama that either involved him or didn't involve him.

[@Ilovepandas0529]

@@who_dogewhy start the drama tho

[@who_doge]

@Ilovepandas0529 idk. Thats why i said both are at fault. I think the problem with hal is that guy gets into drama sometimes that either involved him or wasn't involved at all. An example is the drama between TSM and Meat. Hal was constantly complaining about Meat landing on TSM and griefing them. Hal was so mad he had to find some kind of dirt on Teq to basically get him canceled, which he did and pretty sure you know the drama about Luxford being gate kept by Teq. I used to like Hal when he didn't get into drama and attack people. Pretty contradictory for Hal to say that he looks at the facts but throwing accusations without substantial proof isn't really factual. I guess viewership and influence does make people have big egos

[@BigSuzpekt]

@@who_doge We all are entitled to our opinions, but they both took shots on the same level. I'm a verlhust fan and i think all of this could have been completely avoided. In the end, this is all for clicks from all sides. Verlhust started it in the podcast. He could've kept it professional and just said his new coach is bringing new fresh ideas and you can't compare Raven with his new coach and that he's excited to work with his new coach. But he made it personally by attacking Raven. He knows Raven and he knew Raven was going to jump on the clicks so quick lol. Verlhust did it for clicks, Raven did it for clicks. Personally, i don't think Hal did it for clicks, realistically he doesn't need them with how popular he is. If hal really wanted clicks he would've shit talked when he was asked why he decided to leave TSM. He even said he didn't want to talk shit about his ex teammates. Verlhust is a really good player, but he's been horrible after champs and now he's making the financial decision to talk crap because he knows drama brings in views.

[@Sullys-GamingYT]

I dont care about what hal has to say

[@lion7118]

did they forget about this channel

[@joshbrand3329]

Hal f made even like thats just ungrateful no matter whats going on

[@xdabigfluffgaminx]

honestly though Hal does come off as a guy that sucks to play with, and mainly the key word I used is play.

[@vickypietersen7326]

Had to make the hardest decision of leaving his org, girlfriend left him, the person whom he considered as one of his bro kind of betrayed him. With all the success, money and fame, bro still couldn't be happy. Maybe that's the price you pay for being the best. Also for evan, if you don't want to grind, if you don't have the mentality to take criticism whether it's good or bad, doesn't have the mentality to win each and every game, how are you gonna be the best? Dude had the greatest player and IGL possibly ever to touch the game and also had the possibility to be in the greatest team there's ever been on apex but decided to just throw it all, just because he didn't feel it. And now what are they doing, they don't even know while the player they wanted to leave is just having fun winning with his new team.

[@thedadalorian4782]

Hal is the biggest cry baby I’ve ever seen on social media

[@caravianyt5522]

Broo alb used to rage on yall evan to chill for comparison

[@danieltranquilo3271]

why he being bothered about it then?

[@Stoic_hunter]

Team Evan

[@mystic_fandog3905]

Evan hal kiss amd make up stop crying about it your men like adults init not 18 year olds having a lovers tiff just move on 😂

[@1234epps]

TSM will fail and they will get dropped maybe Evan can team back with skittles he’s won so much lol 😂

[@Ale_Redondo]

Hal was a very toxic IGL, hope Zero do the same to him now.

[@pongpop3434]

TIMMAY

[@MonstRhang]

NERD FIGHT

[@zh4k]

Did Hal's gf break up with him to join Verhulst? DRaMa

[@drewbert2765]

This didn’t age well

[@jarvismack5570]

Evan is delusional if he thinks they're going to be boys after this... They have NEVER discussed this type of stuff on stream and soon as the teams splitting up here comes the Hal and Raven "critiques"... It was unnecessary...Friends dont do that...Its crazy how Hals "hard to play with" yet when Hals dedication and carrying the team to Big Wins you werent whining..friendship doesnt work that way.

[@koltonread8888]

Maybe. I think they'll get past it though honestly. Hal knows he's not easy to play with. That's not news to him. Like Evan said, why would he change when he could just go get two players who can handle it. Nothing that either of them said is really that crazy. It's all just 3rd party speculation though

[@neos.4587]

Their friendship will continue after this. It is not as much of a big deal for them as for the viewers. Still, it is a massive red flag from Verhulst, like if it was my homie I would always have the feeling that he would throw me under the bus for a bit of cash. You cant hangout with me in the morning, lie to my face and later that same day you talk shit about me on stream. Who does that?

[@ridiak3637]

Im sure they discussed it many times privately and at the end of the day it’s just like any sports team. It’s a bunch of the best with huge egos so you are bound to have problems.

[@dennisxiong7373]

It’s not that serious lmao. They’re still friends. Friends have arguments and disagreements sometimes.

[@codeTopia379]

Soy ahh drama

[@SongOfVoid]

I ran into hal and even at the gym yesterday... i was like "yo, big fan! I thought you both had a fallout" and they both said "no silly, its all made up drama to get more views"

[@codybgaming1414]

Knew you were lying saying Hal in the gym lol stahhhhppp

[@sayb4431]

@@codybgaming1414 maybe Hals has to pee and the gym was the nearest toilet?

[@JollyChip1741]

Don't they live together still? Lol.

[@ElyciusM]

nope, hal just streams from that house since it's his office. He said he doesn't live there anymore later on in this clip.

[@soccerguy2433]

hal is such a cry baby

[@evolut1onk1ng15]

Hal isn't toxic he just put the game is career his life first and I don't blame him

[@GetDownCrazy71]

“Weird” is the twitch friendly way of calling something “gay”

[@elatedimpala1767]

Hal is such a baby.

[@Sorryn0tsorryxo]

Hal is cringe always has been.

[@jameskevincompuesto3781]

AAAAA NNNNNESSSSSSSSTTT!11

[@y0gurt193]

Evan is saying that he doesn't want to grind because of hal, which is ridiculous to me. You could say that hal makes it hard for you to play pl or LAN, but hal is never the reason for evan or jordan to not play the game, and at the same time hal is not asking evan to grind WITH him. Think about hal, he knows that his two teammates are not grinding ranked and play the game everyday, but he is still grinding with other people and try to improve himself, so think about the difference of mentalities and passions.

[@neos.4587]

Dude if you get paid to play the game you have to grind. You dont have to tell a Haaland, LeBron or any other professional athlete to grind/train. All of them do it without being asked, and the ones who have to get asked are always cut.

[@y0gurt193]

@@neos.4587 true, that's why I think it's ridiculous

[@dennisxiong7373]

You clearly did not watch what Evan said carefully. Evan never said Hal is the reason he didn’t play the game. He acknowledged that him and reps were lazy regardless of Hal but that they just hate playing ranked with Hal.

[@misfort2ne]

@@dennisxiong7373or maybe they got lazy and complained when someone told them they were being lazy

[@y0gurt193]

@@dennisxiong7373 ok but hal never asked them to grind WITH him, combining with what u said, evan is clearly on the wrong side for not playing enough, not to say why he pull this whole drama out in the first place. You can def have an opinion on playing with hal and raven, but as hal said it's old news and they have discussed off stream, so idk if it is appropriate to speak on stream till now and make all these a shit show. It's just so wierd and no good for both hal and evan.

[@Albino22_]

9 minutes agoo

[@UnethicalPeach]

uwu

[@Fatpumpumlovah2]

Recap... a Softboy Soy with feelings didnt like playing with Hal because words hurt. end of story.

[@neos.4587]

Mac?

[@Gaming444fun99]

It’s a effin competitive game wtf Evan thinking? I’m with Hal if I’m being a dumb sht I want someone to tell me I’m a retad

[@0maxk_]

You’re not correct.

[@Gaming444fun99]

@@0maxk_ that’s ur opinion. It would be different if Hal was bullying Evan. If millions of dollars are on the line then I would make sure my teammates weren’t being jackasses and ruining my chance.

[@2facer296]

​@@0maxk_seems no one ever put you in your place huh.

[@illuminate427]

Hal is just a narcissist