Imagination as the ground of reality, with Patrick Harpur

[@geoffreynhill2833]

Yes, the word "consciousness" seems to rattle around one's skull like the clanger in a bell but "Soul" gets you right in the midriff! Thanks for a lovely and inspiring conversation! 😊

[@chrisallard1819]

Fantastic! I can’t believe I’d not come across Patrick Harpur before… many thanks

[@jasmyneemmerick]

I have seen many interviews/discussions with Patrick Harpur, this is by far the very best! I most enjoyed how the interviewer steered the conversation, yet let Harpur talk without interrupting his train of thought/responses. Wonderfully done. Plan on re-listening to this later this evening.

[@Jim-jx5ds]

I write this on my third listening

[@AndresWalsh]

It's a point of view and pattern of thought that you're not going to find much in the prevalent culture. Patrick Harpur is a treasure.

[@andrewr311]

i Just discovered him as I was looking at Jaques Vallee and Plotinus as well.

[@ufobigfoot4002]

Agreed!

[@evelanpatton]

Ditto.

[@cmarkd1]

Mr Hapur is brilliant and extremely well spoken. Thanks for suggesting the close captioning, (also exquisite) it helped decifer terms unfamiliar to me.

[@MoshieJ]

A wonderful historic overview of philosophy through the ages - thank you!

[@ArlindoPhilosophicalArtist]

These subjects are right up my street: consciousness, metaphysics, Jungian psychoanalysis, etc.

[@anthonylawrence5842]

As Joseph Campbell said “Dream is the personalized myth, myth the depersonalized dream; both myth and dream are symbolic in the same general way of the dynamic of the psyche. But in the dream the forms are quirked by the peculiar troubles of the dreamer, whereas in myth the problems and solutions sown are directly valid for all mankind”

[@MoshieJ]

Well said!

[@pamelaj1226]

Wonderful conversation. Thank you 🙏🏽

[@ericT7]

Wonderfully rich and wide-ranging, thanks Patrick and Essentia Foundation.

[@gavaniacono]

William Blake! Our era needs such.

[@jeffrnyquist]

Wonderful talk. Thank you!

[@cavlic5137]

What a richness of content and ideas! So many useful insights! Thank you sir for following your deamon and for your contribution to the exploration of the mind and our shared nature. The path you've gone through can be of help to all of us who still need to reveal our nature and being.

[@beniscatus4917]

I so agree with you. The man is a beacon of light in a murky world. And his idea of re-enchanting the world by focusing on Beauty is just breathtaking.

[@ruthlewis673]

I would like to thank you both for such an insightful conversation. I came across Patrick’s work some years ago and was astonished by the clarity of his musings. Grounded and relevant, it’s added to dimension of my own experience. For example his thoughts on choosing a life; I had a dream as preschool child of doing just that, it has informed my life and given me a good deal of understanding, or can l say thrown light on the path. So thank you both again.

[@watchfuleagleson]

Thinking only begins at the point where we have come to know that reason, glorified for centuries, is the most obstinate adversary of thinking. --Martin Heidegger

[@anthonylawrence5842]

Plato also has a clear sense of the aesthetic which was missed by his pupil Aristotle who was immersed in the material forms.

[@motivationdestination457]

Aristotilits is a disease which dogs suffer from in which they always try to catch their tails,similarly people who are all about logic keep making sense of things which can't be understood with logic

[@dabrupro]

Imagination as the ground of being seems to fit nicely with Meister Eckhart's ideas.

[@Joe-kn3wt]

The kind of conversation that opens the gates of diamonds, here and there ... just to explore and see so many worlds rising from within the forever alive imagination. Thank you for this podcast. What a treasure!

[@Cmkrs34]

Gates of the daimons. Diamonds are precious stones. I guess english is mot your mother tongue.

[@Joe-kn3wt]

@@Cmkrs34 'is mot' or 'is not'? Daimons at work, I guess.

[@bobfalconer]

wonderful, WONDERFUL. thank you for this. and thanks to patrick harpur for all his work

[@Homunculas]

This was a great interview, thank you.

[@oliviergoethals4137]

Would also love to see you do interview with Peter Kingsley 😊

[@ShintoBroadcasting]

Same here!!!

[@josephgrace4725]

A fascinating trip through history and imagination. I have some new avenues to explore. Thank you!

[@leahlincoln7287]

Coincidences synchronicities miracles surprises they're all just the smaller than the larger view thank you for this video absolutely love it❤GEM❤

[@leahlincoln7287]

Imagine this could you recognize yourself and another form?❤ gem❤

[@loveofinquiry8067]

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[@pikiwiki]

wisdom beyond knowledge

[@HeronMarkBlade]

fascinating and on board.

[@ChristianSt97]

great!

[@peterlangbridge4628]

I second that.

[@psyfiles7351]

Wonderful talk thank you

[@leahlincoln7287]

Yes! The word Consciousness is too abstract not only that but it is used again and again as if everybody understands it's definition and yet it has no definition until there's a real definition for this word I think it should be a replaced with awareness and you're the first person in all of the videos I've been seeing that comes immediately out to see this logic thank you very much❤ gem❤

[@MichelMarieSolitodeSolis]

Perfecto

[@jamesskinnercouk]

This is amazing I have never come across Patrick Harpur and I have to know more about him and I’ve never come across this channel either so subscribed and thank you for this. How did you contact him is he doing any talks.

[@jodown5584]

I’ve read a few of his books, and I highly recommend them to you if you liked this conversation. The ones I read were “Daimonic Reality: A Field Guide to the Otherworld,” “The Philosopher’s Secret Fire: A History of the Imagination,” & “The Secret Tradition of the Soul.” All very fun reads!

[@jamesskinnercouk]

@@jodown5584 thank you for the pointers, I’ll definitely have a look.

[@lazaruscomeforth7646]

Martin Luther's morning and evening prayers include a kind of confirmation of the guardian angel which attends to our life.

[@every5thman947]

19:48 42:03 44:59 48:48 59:17 1:04:09

[@janklaas6885]

📍1:01:16 2📍51:44

[@throrth]

This perspective seems synchronous with the work of Iain McGilchrist

[@jazw4649]

William Blake, Colwich, Wordswoth Keates Barron German philosophers and British poets, Romantacism Microcosm Macrocosm ... Mandelbrot Set

[@leahlincoln7287]

Perhaps I missed it I'm surprised the term Image Nation has not presented this is a term I'm familiar with with from studying the northern American Indian I'm wondering if perhaps it's just their term but when I came across this term a nation of images the new English word imagination now made sense I see imagination as a nation of images❤ GEM❤

[@FigmentHF]

I was largely onboard until Patrick claimed that Victorian spiritualist parlour games, things we very well understand these days, were genuine supernatural events.

[@Bubblegob]

A lot of the more high fantasy, high adventure movies may be geared toward young people for this very reason. As you say those narratives very much replicate ancestral narratives and they do contain this element of danger, excitement and transformation. Just as the passage rites they are a simulacra for those things, people who learn what they have to from these simulacra and can go beyond would be the adult you're talking of. I think weither it's media or actual rites there's always some individuals that will struggle but you're right in the sense that rites are a more efficient kind of normalizing force, the level of simulation is stronger.

[@BH-BH]

Memory is more fundamental than both

[@carlharmeling512]

Imagination is replete with reason, there is no fundamental incompatibility between the imagination and the faculty of reason.

[@mindfulkayaker7737]

I would say that scientist need great imagination to think that consciousness can be generated by a bunch of meat and blood.

[@JeremyHelm]

Folder of time

[@JeremyHelm]

1:05 okay, that's the connection between Iain McGilchrist & Philip Pullman. The Berlusconi of the brain is analogue to His Dark Materials god.

[@JeremyHelm]

15:27 two strands, the logos and the mythos, in Plato

[@JeremyHelm]

17:15 synthesis marginalized by the reformation

[@JeremyHelm]

23:50 given that we see according to art & dreaming is the art of navigating possible contexts

[@ALavin-en1kr]

Heraclitus was not mentioned. He said that the Logos is common to all. It was intuition, deeper than reason. From Plato on the Logos was seen as reason. In Christianity Christ was seen as not just one with the Logos but as actually being the Logos, Christ Consciousness, the perception of God as All. Cosmic Consciousness was expansive and attributed to Christ as he had awareness of God as nature and also as transcendent to nature: Spinoza in contrast saw God as nature but did not see or believe that God was also transcendent to nature. Which meant that if nature ended and God was confined to nature God would also end which makes no sense.

[@Cmkrs34]

Yeah collaborating with a daimon thst gets your legs blown off in vietnam. Lovely man

[@felixvandriem1515]

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[@goran586]

With the rise of AI, will there be a "fall" within the metaverse. The "fall" understood as a metaphor for dissociated self-conscious parts of the greater metaverse. Will there then be competing self-conscious parts fighting and killing each other for dominion.

[@evelanpatton]

1:11:29!

[@isabelmorais9430]

I did enjoy this conversation though I do not agree with every point. Thank you 🙏

[@oliviergoethals4137]

Thx I loved his book daimonic reality 😊... Reminds me of this great long lecture of McKenna kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKvNo59oacZ7n7M Harpurs Imaginative cosmos at the end of the conversation reminds me of Neville Goddards ideas of an Imaginative relational world.

[@FoursWithin]

Terrence is definitely one of the greatest purveyors on the topic of imagination.

[@consideredwhisper]

This is a very interesting interview, and I enjoyed Patrrick’s take on things. I am finding that as I listen to eloquent, educated and thoughtful men so much, however, that the one aspect of humanity they always exclude is the role of women including women’s experience, silence, feminine manifestation in the realm of art/religion/birth/death/marriage/power etc etc etc. All of it. Patrick mentioned Iris Murdoch in this talk and her highlighting the role of a mother who lives as profound a life as a philosopher. Great to hear. But then men’s influence gets full sway as ever, disregarding the fact that the feminine has been kicked into touch like a rugby ball. Men have had their chance and have fucked up. Mightily. Men are so fond of their own thoughts and telling us all about them, quoting other men and their great thoughts who refer to other men and their great thoughts ad infinitum. And many are greatly interesting. Often it’s all we have been subject to throughout our education. I agree with Patrick that the world is reflected in what we see and what we imagine. To extrapolate, surely the messed-up state we are in is an echo of the weight given to the power-over male view and his endless dissemination/mansplaining of ideas? Man shall have all dominion and all that... it’s usually about the through-line of the hero’s quest, A to Z. Patrick explores other notions of the imaginal so beautifully but please acknowledge and differentiate the feminine in your musings.

[@erict.35]

What is her name?

[@laisa.]

Thoughts making stories and believeing in it all.. but "who" does this.. and who asks this 😂

[@shantiaccount]

Very enjoyable at 1.5 speed😂

[@sjorsvanhens]

Plotinus said imagination (I'm assuming he means φαντασία) is the highest faculty of the soul? I can't see any Platonist placing imagination above reason. This sounds very strange to me indeed. Anyone care to point me to where he says that in The Enneads? Edit: Oh, I see, he is not talking about the actual philosophy of Plotinus; he's making stuff up.

[@melaniebruce3923]

Are you suggesting Plotinus didn’t make stuff up?

[@thedarkmikebass8530]

Check out: Warren, E. (1966). Imagination in Plotinus. The Classical Quarterly, 16(2), 277-285. doi:10.1017/S0009838800029931

[@Eman_Puedama]

​@@melaniebruce3923 AFAICS, he's neither that suggesting Plotinus did make things up, nor that he didn't make things up.

[@peteraddison4371]

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