ImDontai Reacts To If Trans Athletes Have An Unfair Advantage

[@firstlast9846]

*I don’t think it’s Transphobic to say* they should have their own league - - it’s causing too many technicality problems - it’d just be easier if they could compete against each other.

[@inkybabayaga2934]

I second that cause Biological males and females are technically already in their own category so their shouldn't be a problem with trans people being in their own category.

[@henrymadsen2930]

Yeah let’s just get the 100 total trans athletes in a sport all across the country to compete together, obviously there going to be less “technically problems” doing that instead 🤡🤡

[@firstlast9846]

Henry Madsen - Yes. Just get every Trans Female and Trans Male athlete have their own division.. not that difficult 🤡

[@Intr0vertical]

@@firstlast9846 but that league ain’t gon make no types of revenue shit gon be a waste

[@drxpgodxx487]

@@henrymadsen2930 I mean what do you then

[@smbenga2]

The reason people don’t agree is because to agree, you have to admit that no matter how you feel/identify, you can’t change what you were born as. If you were born as a man, you will always have a biological advantage over a person born a female. There will still be a skill gap, but if you’re competing at a pro level you’re pretty skilled.

[@dubzybc5457]

We cant ever change the fact that we were born with a weenie and as a dude yea but you have to remember most of us arnt 5"10 210 weightlifters I'm 5"3 120lbs on a good day someone like me wouldn't make too much of a difference I think we shouldnt compete if we have muscles women cant dream of getting. their should be a criteria if your too buff or big you cant do this sport if your body is above the average female

[@luckycaster2435]

SPIT MY G

[@shanice992]

Not a skill gap. A strength gap

[@jackofastora8962]

Actual chad

[@v_dunehill8724]

I'm taking a shit

[@underratedszn6549]

Honestly I think the one that everyone should 100% agree on is combat sports is too far 😭

[@O_ORashad]

Almost any sport is going too far. The only sports that might be fair are sports like golf where the players don't have to interact with eachother and the physical requirements aren't very high. Any sport where athleticism matters, or where the athletes make physical contact with eachother regularly, would not be fair. There is a reason why men and women's sports are separated. Unfortunately, our society is so priveleged that we now thing we can deny biology and litteral scientific facts in order to cater to people's feelings. It's very sad.

[@mook7482]

There’s literally been trans women mma fighters who have lost to cis woman but alright

[@theposse9038]

@@mook7482 anecdote

[@stewiegremlin4454]

@@mook7482 and what does tht mean

[@calmingsoundz5567]

@@mook7482 huh

[@tishaw.8254]

Y’all remember those 2 black teens in high school that were coming in last in track, changed gender started racing girls then suddenly breaking records and getting scholarships!!!

[@MondoTrill]

LOL I remember that

[@amaterasu266]

Cheats enabled irl

[@LaMarkBall]

w finesse

[@whoasked6696]

Lmaoo

[@ashwinadiga]

Disagreeing with the trans people doesnt mean you're transphobic (unless its something actually transphobic).

[@Intr0vertical]

Transphobia cool

[@drxpgodxx487]

@@Intr0vertical 😐

[@obanz7307]

@@drxpgodxx487 that n!ga trippin ong lmfao

[@MAGGZ-GWP]

@@Intr0vertical agreed

[@zorlockts5744]

@@Intr0vertical bro you ain’t helping with the argument lol

[@smbenga2]

Dontai is not capping. He sucks at basketball. I remember watching that 1v1 thinkin he was about to show out and was severely disappointed

[@federicocostas9533]

But dontai is at an advantage bc he's bigger and stronger(if that sounds dumb then thats how yalls argument sounds)

[@smbenga2]

@@federicocostas9533 That’s a pretty stupid comment. I guarantee that you have no idea what my comment is about. Trans females have an advantage over regular women no matter how much your feelings are hurt by that statement. This comment is about a video where he played basketball against his male friend.

[@federicocostas9533]

@@smbenga2 my comment refers to the video as most of the comments on this one video, my feelings aren't were as yours since u upset that trans women are playing with women in a fair way, if u don't know how horomes works and blockers work just say so bc u dumb asf

[@jeanneymar2390]

@@federicocostas9533 Tf u even saying nigga Dontai is a stickman, he has no fucking advantage even over a child

[@federicocostas9533]

@@jeanneymar2390 it's legit the logic being used in the video lmao, since men have an advantage over women thus meaning dontai must have the advantage smh

[@JV-ie4rh]

Yes this should be a no brainer. I don’t think I ever seen a woman transition into a male and win. However reversed you see men transition to females and all of a sudden records are being broken like nothing.

[@mook7482]

Show me the records

[@Showtimemxnny]

@@mook7482 dontai gave u an example literally at the start of the vid

[@rasenganmaster101]

@@mook7482 lmao u can't be serious

[@stewiegremlin4454]

@@mook7482 this nigga trying so hard to not be wrong did u not watch the video

[@stewiegremlin4454]

@@mook7482 there was 2 examples in the first 10 minutes

[@hickszn]

Playing sports is a privilege, not a right. You’re doing too much if at the same time that you wanna compete with the CIS version of what you transitioned to but then also not be outed....make it make sense. Either be outed or don’t play the sport.

[@dubzybc5457]

Being outed should be someone choice if they pass as a female and they dont want anyone to know their buisness it should be ok like if a trans women who would play in a sport with an average female figure it should be ok they just need better rules and women who wanna participate they'll have to start estrogen atleast 18-20 and without prior weightlifting because nariral muscles from puberty can only go a long way

[@jdc37162]

If someone said this about race we would be rightfully pissed off. Just because things aren’t a “right” doesn’t mean it’s then okay to discriminate against others.

[@jdc37162]

also I can’t believe Dontai liked this. Just fucking pathetic honestly. Might have to stop following if that’s how he rolls.

[@taylorrenae5750]

@@jdc37162 Race and Gender Identity are two totally different aspects.

[@xTemperszz]

@@jdc37162 ok? U just one person

[@shirleykitur9225]

I am kenyan and we have a female athlete who was disqualified from the 800m track due to high testosterone levels. So it's only fair that the same consideration be taken for transathletes. We also need to have a conversation on how female African athletes where targeted during the Tokyo Olympics and yet they run the same average time as the women who did this year.

[@cooperramos2700]

Came in here and chose to only speak facts. Completely agree with this

[@klovrkhisyx9666]

Fax

[@zoestaines9668]

we have to remember tho its not only testosterone levels that give them an advantage. They're naturally stronger and larger and generally faster.

[@LilKenuthia]

@dylan murphy What are you trying to imply here?

[@LilKenuthia]

Aye, Kenyaaa

[@Tead_up]

I think the biggest example for me is basketball. Nba players are almost a foot taller on average to WNBA players. The average WNBA is the average height of men in America. To say that you don’t need to have a separate league would be insane. Imagine all the d1 and people who don’t get play for male basketball transition to female it would destroy the WNBA.

[@rh8415]

I mean... Fax

[@iyattii9853]

Football too (soccer for you darn Americans). Even under 15 boys would destroy adult women teams

[@Tead_up]

@@iyattii9853 it happened in America I think. I think a high school men’s team beat USA women’s team.

[@iyattii9853]

@@Tead_up It happened there and in Australia too. Australia has one of the best women teams in the world. USA has the best and even they got thrashed

[@sadsatan..]

There’s a significant difference between men and women. Transgender people should have their own section and that doesn’t make someone transphobic for saying that. They would not put women up against men.

[@rh8415]

Even if there was a seperate section for trans people, they would still have to put people who were born male to a different category than the people who were born female.

[@federicocostas9533]

That last sentence is transphobic lmao, if u don't know what hormones do to the body just say that. Also is u supporting segregation?

[@JamesSmith-mu7ie]

@@federicocostas9533 shut up they’re completely right it seems you don’t understand there’s things you can never change and there will always be differences. it’s just not right to ever have women and men compete in most physical sports it’s common sense

[@flyinglow7218]

@@federicocostas9533 is it segregation when its the wnba and nba? Why cant there be a TBA it would be more competitive

[@federicocostas9533]

@@flyinglow7218 first off that's transphobic asf bc trans women and trans men are real women and men and science does back that up but what does the wnba and nba have to do with this??

[@WockyFan]

5:54 I love the fact that after the Dono Tai tries his damn near HARDEST to not laugh and it’s gets me geeked every time😂

[@memesarehealthy5809]

Wono

[@timtimjr3654]

I’m not even gonna watch this, it’s literally a no brainer.

[@filipwichrowski2412]

fr

[@bigdick2705]

Facts

[@Deathstro]

Ong

[@dubzybc5457]

Ig it is but like every drug made make rules against the stuff make the transwomen smaller and less muscly ro where it'll be fair,that's the only thing I think is transphobic about all this is that guys are shooting to it's not fair and their done idk probably brainstorm and make it fair what should we do to be able to compete in your eyes?let's start on me I'm 5"3 120lbs slim build with averagely wide Male shoulder?any ideas what I should do to play basketball theirs a surgery for everything.

[@Jates]

@@dubzybc5457 you said a whole lot of nothing. It’s obviously a no brained , big disadvantage and trans people should have their own league

[@gavink03]

Throwback to when one of them compared male testosterone to a protein shake or some shit

[@RagnarLoudpak]

And nobody called his ass out because people are scared to question them. Insane.

[@Jalanea_]

@@RagnarLoudpak That’s because of the type of people they choose to even be here. Pick up somebody’s Uncle off the street, they won’t give a fuck.

[@memesarehealthy5809]

@@Jalanea_ that’d be hilarious

[@WardofSquid]

@@Jalanea_ Yeah the sample pop. may be biased. That's not good because this whole show's point is to represent "what the people think", but you can't cherry pick who you want to be seen imo. However, Jubilee is better than most Q&A channels like The Fine Bros. React channel or Buzzfeed, which are blatantly extremely biased.

[@devonwilliams4470]

Halfway through and buddy with the green hair is delusional ngl

[@kiwiness5427]

What did i expect. The dude got green hair

[@juniorngcobo]

@@kiwiness5427 😂😂

[@radexyz4918]

@@kiwiness5427 fax

[@federicocostas9533]

-delusional

[@Judas-o8c]

@@kiwiness5427 not a dude but fr, green hair ugly

[@heyozbee]

Why is boys and girls sports even separated lmao if there's no "advantage"

[@O_ORashad]

You gotta be trolling... There's no way you actually believe that.

[@BlackgirlSani]

@@O_ORashad you read what he said wrong. He obviously doesn’t believe it.

[@wxvy_cdm]

@@O_ORashad I'm pretty sure they're trolling, it's hard to tell through text sometimes lol.

[@federicocostas9533]

@@O_ORashad they right tho lmao why can't a team with equal amount of men and women that are better then another group of equal amount of men and women that aren't as good

[@federicocostas9533]

W

[@O_ORashad]

It's sad that we live in a society that is so privileged that people now think that they can just ignore genetics and pure scientific facts in order to cater to people's feelings. People think the world is just whatever they want it to be, and that if they go cry and complain they will get what they want. But the world has universal rules, and those rules are not even remotely affected by the feelings of some crybaby. No matter what laws we pass, or what changes we make, men and women will always be different.

[@cast2333]

FACTS!!!

[@daxdragon676]

Exactly

[@maz1071]

100% facts

[@firstlast9846]

Umm excuse me? It’s my right to ignore hundreds of years of basic science and say I’m neither a man nor woman - and have my only argument be “sex and gender aren’t the same thing” thank you veerrry much

[@futuramaforever3221]

TALK TO THESE NIGGAS !!!!!!!!!!

[@mikayladanielle]

There is obviously an advantage for trans women and a disadvantage for trans men and anyone who disagrees is fooling themselves. I’m all for people being who they are but come on now… Either trans women and trans men should have their own leagues or there should be weight classes for all sports from now on (which would never happen).

[@xapokalypse]

Exactly. Recently I saw an article where they didn't want a transman to compete with the men so he had to go against women and then won. People then booed him when he didn't even want to be there in the first place. Transmen just can't fucking win

[@jordyn5356]

18:57 she made a good point. some are purposefully not giving their all so that people won’t talk

[@DeadLately]

LMAO i died laughing someone in chat said "FUCK IT FREE FOR ALL"

[@armndo2847]

So apparently nobody heard about a team of teenage boys beating a top ranked womens soccer team 7-0

[@sly9812]

U gotta be kidding me😂

[@shadyman3351]

I heard about that lmao

[@marwamimi843]

Not gonna lie that sounds funny

[@korexoxo]

what does that have to do with anything?

[@emiliobadillo9098]

Fc Dallas U-15 against the womens US national team

[@jekkma.]

Dontai: Thats my opinion Chat: *our opinion*

[@ashwinsnair494]

Someone in chat literally said "Autobots roll out"

[@NatVirgo]

Wrestling is very different until the college level, it’s all about the technique and mastering the fundamentals.

[@NatVirgo]

If it isn’t that type then he isn’t making a point for either side

[@CarlosRoblesYT]

I’m 12 minutes into the video and am internally screaming “play the damn Dave chapale comedy clip!” Would’ve been so perfect for this video😂😂

[@YeaNo.]

The thing is that there will be a lot of feelings involved in this conversation. We need to look at the science... it's not about being transphobic it's about being realistic.

[@MXALOVE]

I believe some people are at an advantage, but it doesn't always need to be a trans person. Cis women can walk up in there BUILT, high genetics all that and the same thing would be said like of course they're at an advantage if everyone else is built a different way, same with men. So IMO it isn't trans individuals that would be an issue for sport, because in some cases we have things like that. I believe the middle ground should be depending on how you are built. Some Cis Women could go against a Cis Man and besides gender it could be seen as fair. Overall if we go by just regular puberty no enhancements or things like that, in most cases there would be that unbalance of advantages

[@dubzybc5457]

I agree .its just better candidates for some sports they just need to throw more rules to make it fair

[@ramolacha428]

But a biological male fighting in an mma match against a biological female is 😬😬😬 it ain’t the same as a cis woman with good genetics

[@MXALOVE]

@@ramolacha428 In most cases yes but that hasn't stopped cis women before, or men even. Just because someone is bigger doesn't always mean it's an instant win for the bigger guy. At the end of the day it's all about skill. Tbh it just always sucks when you see a bigger opponent beat a smaller one, but it's impressive seeing the smaller one beat the bigger one, it's just how it is regardless of gender imo

[@dubzybc5457]

@@ramolacha428 idk isn't the game supposed to be about winning and out powering the opposition anyway possible if your good you know you are and what's the point of coming up with another excuse to say why you can't succeed and honestly if you get the average built trans women and give them hrt and have their testosterone lower then a female and estrogen high ass fxck and have their bones get softer and skin they will be as weak as a cis women with them getting training you have to remember these trans women are having their testosterone low asf and it messes with the body more then you think some can be bad just be fair and throw more rules at them

[@ramolacha428]

@@dubzybc5457 by that logic women and men should have combined sports leagues innit

[@painthemonke2248]

a good idea would be to make some kind of league for members of the trans community imo.

[@devonwilliams4470]

They won’t like that and say they’re being discriminated against

[@painthemonke2248]

@@devonwilliams4470 prolly depends on the person.

[@shadowgaze]

There probably aren’t enough people to do that honestly

[@_ZH4NELLE]

I agree I also feel like it would help shed more light on trans athletes and issues that trans people face.

[@devonwilliams4470]

@@painthemonke2248 well the loudest and softest people in that community would surely portray everyone in the community as a whole to feel that way about it

[@ThePressonit]

You should watch Derrick More Plates More Dates he really breaks it down

[@ACTiVEjoshh]

DONTAI I SWEAR THE LINE "HOMEGIRL HOPPED UP OUT HER BED, TURNED HER TRANS ON...." IM DEAD!!!!!!!!! LMAOOOOOOO NO ONE IN CHAT EVEN KNEW HWAT YOU DID!

[@LxrdVegeta]

17:35 Boxing does exactly that, there are weight divisions. Basketball is easier if your tall. Rugby is easier with proper muscle composition, not just mass. Even bone density makes a difference in mma. Reflexes in tennis. Flexibility in gynastics. The genders have a clear difference in their base/natural stats, they can have advantages depending on the event. I dont watch sports i just like reading so im probably talking out of my ass. With that said you can ignore me, im just a planet destroying maniac

[@maria-vm7km]

They keep saying oh if they transitioned before puberty they didn’t develop as a man so it’s fair. Kids shouldn’t be transitioning so young. They don’t even know basic knowledge at that age. They don’t understand the complexity of transitioning into another gender. Kids shouldn’t be making that decision so young.

[@ship8800]

Look up "detransitioners" it's so sad... They lost their life to trans ideology

[@crawdaddy7802]

Imagine putting the average NBA athlete against the average WNBA athlete, that just wouldn’t be fair. The average NBA athlete would smoke the WNBA athlete. Now compare the biggest outliars in a genetic category, for example Lebron and Candace Parker. Its not even funny how easily Lebron would dominate her, and she could work twice as hard as he does, its just a competitive advantage bc of genetics. But at the end of the day it does depend on the sport

[@scramblelikeaeggbeforeifol5833]

It doesn’t even have to be the average it could be one of the worst, and they would still beat a WNBA all star

[@darrellwilliams9168]

@@scramblelikeaeggbeforeifol5833 right I remember when Skylar Diggins was talking about Harrison Barnes being a role player getting millions… like if he was in the WNBA that man would win MVP every year 💀

[@afriking]

We ignoring the fact that Rage got robotic knees with super abilities and that gives him a major advantage? 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@whoasked6696]

They not ready for this one 👆

[@TherealsimpleCal]

The Shaq analogy was Golden😂😂👌🏾

[@itsdomtoo]

One donation said something about how it’s crazy how this stuff is normalized in our society and back when he was a kid he didn’t have to grow up with this stuff. What’s crazy is I promise you people said the same thing when black people became unsegregated. Like that’s a lil weird idk bro

[@proddani-tb9gw]

2 completely different conversations and points and rights and wrongs but I get where your coming from

[@federicocostas9533]

Fr

[@jay50lane]

You need doctors for clarifying all this, it's all a waste until there is someone who can actually tell about how body works. Most of these arguments are just them assuming things and just double downing on that thing.

[@R4ndomCatt]

Dontai: says something Chat: FAXXX

[@KingPeezy14]

I honestly don’t know how people can say no. There were some people on IG saying that trans athletes don’t have an advantage, and I have no clue how someone could think some dumb shit like that. I think trans athletes should just go against/play with whatever gender they were born with. And idk how they see men -> women breaking records but women -> men not breaking records or literally crushing skulls, and still don’t believe there’s an advantage

[@daxdragon676]

Fallon Fox literally ended up breaking the opponent skull

[@chelsea9641]

@@daxdragon676 wow…. So why not separate them then.

[@NickLengyel]

The fact this is even being a discussion is just when you know the world is going to shit faster and faster everyday

[@federicocostas9533]

Imagine if this video was talking abt racism with blk ppl being in the position of trans and see how yall sounds stupid

[@scramblelikeaeggbeforeifol5833]

@@federicocostas9533 race is different than sex

[@jett2373]

@@federicocostas9533 As a black woman, I just wanted to let u know u really are making no sense and are 100% tripping here bro....sex and race are not the same nor have the same type of differences. Stop trying to put them in the same category.

[@federicocostas9533]

@@scramblelikeaeggbeforeifol5833 in what part of this is sex involved?

[@federicocostas9533]

@@jett2373 sex isn't mentioned anywhere here lmao, I'm just pointing out how yalls argument is flawed asf

[@KingPeezy14]

I’m watching this in the library at my college rn and I started laughing so hard when he said “well, we all know women can’t drive” and I tried so hard to be quiet, then he said the all-female team set the record for most losses and I couldn’t hold it in again 😭

[@bobbobby2863]

i respect dontai for this he is disagreeing with the trans ppl but still respects them

[@Robbie_Lyons]

I feel like using the same argument you could say that tall people have an unfair advantage in basketball so we should ban tall people in the nba. Not exactly the same but it’s something that someone doesn’t have a choice to control. (And if you say that people choose to be trans then you are not educated enough on the subject. Do research before you spew your opinion)

[@anaelnock2989]

Buddy at the end said if I’d didn’t get a scholarship women don’t get scholarships

[@luvcryo3245]

the beginning argument Dontai and chat was confused by if i’m understanding correctly was if trans women have an advantage in cis women’s sports due to being a man formerly, that then therefore means a trans man in men’s sports has an disadvantage due to being a woman before (note i haven’t finished the vid yet tho)

[@albert7623]

honestly transmen do it to themselves😂they know they’re going to have a disadvantage but then complain that it’s unfair

[@samuelhays1068]

White polo was snapping

[@youngmoney4693]

The wrestler guy kept bringing up how there are women that wrestle and beat men but that’s a skill level issue if you’re comparing things like this you have to eliminate as many variables as possible so you have two equal level athletes one being trans and the other being cis and that’s how you do it. It’s like comparing a modern soldier versus a medieval Knight if the modern soldier doesn’t even know how to use a gun or has never seen one obviously he’s losing but if you take an equal skill level knight versus and equal skill level modern soldier the modern soldier is winning

[@tiktokwatcher]

36:46 he said it.

[@shadyman3351]

Exactly you can't just take an average skill level of one gender and put both genders with THAT skill level in the same competition. There's more things that differ between genders than hormonal levels and skill.

[@chaldoproductions613]

Seeing dontai laugh at that one dono then try to hide it made it so much funnier lmfao

[@lowkeorion9536]

Chat is full of Yes Ma’am LOL

[@everbleeding]

I am apart of the lgbt community and I can fully agree that they have a biological advantage over cis women but chat weird asf too many ignorant people who don’t look at both sides. Educate yourself before you talk and don’t be so damn hateful. Love you though dontai you look at it with an open mind

[@TheTiredhermit]

“Hateful” is a strong word just disagree

[@everbleeding]

@@TheTiredhermit yeah it’s not hateful when so many people are in chat calling the women men and calling them gay and ugly makes sense

[@marwamimi843]

That’s how the world be, can’t complain about opinion

[@everbleeding]

@@marwamimi843 there is a difference between being blatantly ignorant and having an opinion

[@korexoxo]

@@TheTiredhermit no

[@Rscreen]

I haven't watched the video yet. But I don't understand how this is an argument to begin with, but ill watch to see if it can introduce something

[@jasmine4214]

40:42-41:41 mad funny but maybe the future idk. But I believe between the people in the vid and the chat this was a very great conscious discussion, most parts lol. I hope people, in general, can be like yall in terms of having your own opinion, saying it, and not being ultimately deemed extremely prejudice and get canceled. People forgot how to respect people and take things personally.

[@gc6006]

😂how is this an a argument Lmaoo

[@dumbidiot973]

Someone who spent 35 years a man, puts on a wig and breaks every woman’s weight lifting record. Fair as hell bruh.

[@gc6006]

@@dumbidiot973 yeah I’m pretty left leaning but there bugging 😂

[@ayushmanrajawat2828]

@@gc6006 Most people are liberal now but some of the arguments nowadays from the left side are completely BS.

[@TheTiredhermit]

Yes they do It’s like asking if a 5’2 180 guy vs a 6’4 200 pound guy fight it’s a huge difference with genes alone not to mention training

[@ryan.8783]

Me and the boys identifying as women and crushing the softball league:

[@xpyourxp]

One side says it's all about ability in sports, the other says the biology matters more. The reality is that they both matter and thats why they both should be respected. A PROFESSIONALLY skilled male athlete vs a PROFESSIONALLY skilled female athlete is going to now come down to the makeup of their body in the works with their skill. At that point the average pro male athlete is more likely to have the advantage. It's not about it being an advantage or disadvantage in EVERY scenario for it to be recognized as unfair. If I take the top woman javelin thrower in the world and put her against the top male javelin thrower... something where there's no physical contact, simply anatomy and technique. It's respectfully an easy win. Even down to the bad athletes on both sides, the males are at an advantage there as well. It's not a bad thing, it's a matter of is this really the path you were born for? Or are you forcing a dream at the expense of millions of others...

[@DrtyTreeHuggr]

"Why she built like that?"😂 ☠️ Why they choose THAT trans woman to be on there? 👀 Dude was a man for a whole 40yrs. That's literally the argument of the video...

[@underoverachiever7093]

The issue is extremely complicated and nuanced, you need to take it on a case-by-case basis, if someone was on puberty blockers and is a trans woman, then they have no advantage since they never went through male puberty. The issue is very complicated, and it can't be answered with a definitive yes or no.

[@serraramayfield9230]

Just from doing a brief skimming over this channel I can tell it's yet another entry into the "psuedodebate" genre. There's no oversight from experts in the related fields, no testimony from professional athletes, no studies/analysis/etc. beyond whatever is said between the groups. Some people even after puberty don't possess the claimed "advantages" that the process is stereotypically known to give them. Valid suspicion has been shown over potentially staged/bribed/misled actors and staff who create this content. It's like if content mills like Buzzfeed/Mashable/Vox/Vice/Brew/whatever tried to give professionalism. It does nobody any good; not to mention they break one of the fundamental rules of logical debate - giving both sides the chance to present the strongest arguments and examples for themselves. They didn't do this and failed as a result - if this was a trial and I was the judge this would be declared invalid (mistrial). Now with the position of the Overton window as it currently stands this question(s) probably will not be resolved in time before it pulls away and massive upheaval in society begins again.

[@Turtlekid-me8ms]

Owen was goin off on the one with green hair😂

[@blacktogami3811]

The only people who would say there is no advantage/disadvantage are people who believe men and women are biologically synonymous.

[@deityrawku]

Hasan Piker would be pissed as hell watching dontais chat lmaooo

[@ExMalodios]

being a viewer of both is a struggle i definitely didn't watch past 56 minute mark. Gonna go watch Hasan yell at anyi vaxxers now

[@gangstalicious1901]

I think that they should just make a trans or gender neutral set of events , that way the gay people will be happy and the super straights will be happy and people that don’t care can go back to not hear about everyone whining about it

[@-_-33]

Yea I’m getting tired of all these blue hair girls trying to explain to professionals how there isn’t a biological advantage

[@Texmma]

Your putting your feeling over someone’s safety/health smh this is a dumb argument shouldn’t even be an agreement

[@dubzybc5457]

Idk if anyone's saying that butt I'll say just throw more rules to them and make it more fair theirs a surgery for everything so how about tht it's not as unfair as you think it is they just need to stop having transwomen be overly built it's not their fault it's the league they need to do better

[@peterpieterssen36]

@@dubzybc5457 the only thing they can do is make a seperate league for trans people

[@peterpieterssen36]

@@dubzybc5457 there's no surgery/drug that can change you from one gender to the other perfectly

[@peterpieterssen36]

@@dubzybc5457 there will always be either a disadvantage/advantage

[@peterpieterssen36]

@@dubzybc5457 you can't even comprehend the difference between theirs nd there's

[@federicocostas9533]

Chat really woke up and said "time to be transphobic"

[@Achieme]

It's not that hard to give Trans their own league.

[@jacksonshmiff7535]

Like wtf did they do for us??

[@Achieme]

@@jacksonshmiff7535 What are you referring to?

[@jacksonshmiff7535]

@@Achieme those trans folks

[@Achieme]

@@jacksonshmiff7535 No, like what are you trying to say cause i got confused when you said "Like wtf did they do for us"

[@jacksonshmiff7535]

@@Achieme i meant what I meant what did they do to deserve their own league

[@cdc9ine378]

There’s a reason why people say you can’t hit girls🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@samyoulll]

some of chat can be questionable when talking about these subjects ngl

[@diego-jl9kp]

so many kids spamming transphobic shit trying to be funny and edgy lmao

[@dumbidiot973]

The chat is just rightfully mocking this stupid shit, if it offends you don’t watch the video.

[@Dev-q6f3g]

@@dumbidiot973 name checks out lol both sides brought great points to the table, mocking one side just because you simply don't agree with what they're saying for the most part is just showing your ignorance. if you feel the need to mock "this stupid shit", then don't watch the video

[@adeel9668]

@@dumbidiot973 you’re prolly one of those kids in the chat xdd

[@Rasheedgames]

The majority of his audience are homophobic and transphobic either because they're young and don't know better yet or they're from the hood and most people in the hood don't have tolerance for gay people or trans people unfortunately

[@dracomalofy4797]

One idea that I don't see people mentioning, is fundamentally changing how we categorise the different groups in competitive sports. In track for example, you can split people up by weight, hormone ratio, height, bone density, or any other variable rather than by gender. Let me clarify that I am not an expert on this topic, and may have completely lost the plot here, but it felt like an idea that people don't seem to be considering.

[@Showtimemxnny]

I’m not coming at you or anything I’m just saying

[@dracomalofy4797]

@@Showtimemxnny ????

[@wock2hard]

2:33 tanjiro earring

[@apman7603]

Look you have an advantage physically, but for anyone who has practiced any marital arts knows that even if you're the buffest person around, you're gonna get your ass handed to you if you lack the skill. So if it comes to combat sports and you are against a Transgendered women vs a cis-women who are equally skilled, of course the Transgendered women is really beatin her ass. When they are equally or similarly as skilled, its going depend on their physical abilities. This is why I agree with this statement.

[@kyleturner2618]

They say they don’t have an advantage yet when you look at the trans man you can see how big their arms are and then look at the girl with the pink shirt look at her arms

[@Clippers23]

25:10 lol someone said “we found the mole”

[@aswaswasw2323]

We should just split sports up into hormone categories instead of sex. NHE and NHT....naturally high estrogen and naturally high testosterone. That way it's fair! It's biology. That way if your levels are naturally past a certain point you go into a specific category.

[@lo2sick]

That’s a really interesting perspective i’ve never heard of doing that before. i think that would be nice

[@zulunet3285]

Hormones arent the only ones determing athleticism, it barely has any effect on it besides growth and some other things. There's multiplie things into play like muscle insertions, tendons, type of muscle fibres, bones and CNS.

[@KhunShawn]

30:52 When I hear stuff like that I feel like they aren’t thinking about boxing or MMA. Wrestling and getting punched in the face are two different things.

[@lesnarcountryscreams]

13:59 😂

[@kevingnzalz]

I need dontai in one of these jubilee vids

[@TooMarcus]

imagine lebron transitioned and went to the WNBA , 80ppg and 30 rb

[@davidbrooks9134]

Having a separate category would be idea and anyone saying that's segregation, that is like saying separating boxers by weight class is segregation. It's simply filtering people to give everyone a fair fight.

[@Cookiemario111]

I personally think it's unfair no matter how you look at it

[@-0Peanut0-]

The second I saw grinch nigga i laughed my ass off

[@adampallerdy783]

They should just make sports only for trans women that was everything is equal and we wouldn’t have these problems

[@PureColumbianCocainum1949]

OwenJC is a fucking savage LMAO

[@neerxl1355]

Nice vid and W takes all around. Quite possibly one of the worst topics to have with chat tho LMFAO the amount of outta pocket transphobic crazy shit I seen bro😭💀

[@hasanabimedia4474]

The women’s world record 100m time is 10.49.. that would rank as the 6,355th best men’s 100m time in the Olympics

[@dova238]

It’s their fault they knew what they were putting themselves into the first place 🤦‍♂️ although men being transgender is just unfair too giving a big advantage cuz men are generally stronger

[@latrelldupree9688]

15:39 nice save

[@deleonssg6791]

Jus make a league for them where they can compete against each other... We have Paralympics so make a translympics. I still disagree with them competing with Cis athletes but they still deserve to participate in sports competitively just as others

[@youngdior666]

18:41, Yes lmao thats literally why they have levels skill in sports. If you're good in highschool you get singled out and offered to play at a higher level in college, and if you're OD in college you get singled out AGAIN and offered to play in either a D1 league or the NBA and if you're a fuckin demon in the NBA you get singled out AGAIN and offered to play in things like the all star game and the olympics.. its like she's never heard of a single sport outside of roller derby

[@sirzechsquasar]

Green hair is on different levels half logic🤣 this argument was flawed when they started to compare athletes at different levels.

[@zoestaines9668]

thank you!!! we can support trans people while still believing in science. We can't just ignore science. so glad he said this

[@g.tre_518]

Bra my high school the girls basketball team are state champs and the boys basketball team never made it to the playoffs but when they would play all out at practice the boys would always do a blowout on the girls so ya know 😂😂

[@WardofSquid]

The like/dislike ratio shows how *civil and rational* Dontai's YT community is. We DON'T always 100% agree with EVERYTHING he says, but we respect his presentation of matters & each other.👏

[@devaldyjonathan]

to me personally.. since transitioning is indeed a choice, there has to be consequences that they must accept. one of them is in sports industry.

[@bubbaboi9728]

I feel that sports that require more skill makes it so both genders are relatively equal,compared to a more physical sport where you have to be the most physically gifted to be good which makes it where you have to separate the genders just for it to be fair

[@dubzybc5457]

I agree but you can somehow make them more fair just throw more rules at them and make them not work out at a young age till they start estrogen and after a few years on it they should be able to compete

[@Thepiphxny]

Some circumstances also depend on the sport like golf, golf might be the only sport where men and women could probably face each other

[@Iamkai13]

And tennis

[@G.dot_]

Crazy how even in golf n tennis they still get destroyed so still wouldn’t be fair

[@YUKI.17]

Bro are we gonna ignore chat being down bad for Lexi LMAOO😭

[@ShortClips4U12]

Bro with green hair built like a whole man talking about I don’t have that testosterone anymore have you ever seen a female who doesn’t live in the gym that looks like that smh.we accept you but you have an advantage that’s a fact

[@MrMemetic321]

New category seems like the best way to go

[@LandoReal__]

If you’ve fully transitioned then it’s fine (which usually takes a few years with a lot of medical and psychological stuff) but it’s usually more fine if the person started transitioning before puberty started and was on puberty blockers. For example, this could help people who want to be MtF and don’t get the male puberty (deepening of voice, faster muscle growth, the bone stuff, hair, etc) and then they can take hormones to instead go through a female puberty instead and can even get bottom surgery if wanted. This would make the process much easier since you haven’t been through your assigned to birth puberty. Obviously you would have to go through this huge process first, because after that’s all done you’d biologically be around what cis people are of what you transitioned to. Any other variance would be similar to like, how there are gonna be taller and stronger women than me, who are just as woman as the next. So, only if you’ve fully transitioned, but I think that’s how it is now anyways and if you haven’t been through that, you have to do events with your assigned to birth stuff

[@dubzybc5457]

Yea I like where your going but I can only speak on myself I've started HRT at 18 so I had my puberty but I was lucky to be small and 5'3 120lbs I think their need to be rules on how big you can get b4 starting HRT to go into sports because theirs only so much puberty natural muscles can do like mine are totally useless.

[@LandoReal__]

@@dubzybc5457 that’s true, but I’m sure there wouldn’t be many men who transition to women who are built like Lebron or anything (I know that’s hyperbolic) but I understand the concern. I think on average though, and what medicine says, it’s fine overall. I guess if I see a case on like, 6’5 220 ripped trans women, I’ll come back to this and address it LOL

[@dubzybc5457]

@@LandoReal__ their is alot and it's sad they cant really blend in too much and somehow they are always on TV exposing themselves to somthing outrages but yea GL n hve fun

[@jdc37162]

Hey it’s a person who actually know what they are talking about a bit. Lots of bigotry and ignorance in these comments right now.

[@kennyy141]

You should watch a video from More Plates More Dates about this. Derek explains this very well