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[@alexlandyhill]

I once asked an Amercian living in Portugal why they used "expat". They said because no one ever calls someone an illegal expat.

[@ruimpinho]

“Immigrants” work in Portugal for Portuguese companies. “Expats” have an income from abroad. As simple as that.

[@jsoxendine]

Makes sense

[@shinyshinythings]

@@ruimpinho For me, it’s really about your intentions. An ‘expat’ is someone who has expatriated from their home country, and intends to return. An ‘immigrant’ is someone who has moved from their home country, and intends to stay abroad. It also means being humble and learning to adapt to the way the locals live, not expecting them to conform to your expectations.

[@lzf804]

It's a status thing, they don't want to be compared to immigrants from poor countries.

[@zoem891]

Expat is a person who temporarily resides outside their country of citizenship. Immigrant is a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country. I’m from Brazil and live in US for 26 yrs. What am I? 😂

[@Jess-A]

Grace and Mercy to individuals labeling and judging others. Show kindness to everyone.

[@Be4Peace]

The 'pat' in expat is short for patriate. The 'patri' in patriate or patriot has its roots in Greek then Latin and refers to 'father' as in fatherland (to mean homeland or native land.) When an 'ex' is placed before patriate then the word means to be 'out' of one's fatherland/native land. With regards to immigrant, the prefix 'im' means 'in' and the root word 'migr' in migrant in Latin means 'to move to' a new place. Today, these terms are all mixed up and politicized, but strictly looking at the developments of the words, expatriate strictly refers to the native land one has left from, and immigrant strictly refers to the new country one has moved to and has taken up residence in. So, for example, we can say Aman's father is an 'expat from the US' but is an 'immigrant in Japan'. He is both because one describes where he came from and the other where he now resides. 'Residency' is also key here as duration factors into these terms, both expat and immigrant are describing a person who has left his/her native land and taken up 'long-term or even permanent' residency in a new country. Those on tourism or vacationers would not use these terms no matter how long their stay is abroad. Grammatically speaking it does not make sense, say for an American who moved to Portugal and now 'resides' there fulltime to say I am an Expat and not an immigrant, or vice-versa, because s/he is both.

[@lataraashley9143]

That photo of lil Amon in Africa is the cutest thing ever 😁

[@danilotorres4673]

I was born in Colombia, lived in the USA, England, Germany until I was 30. Now for the last 38 years I have lived in the USA and became a citizen. So I think that made me an immigrant. My dream is to live six months in Europe (probably Italy) and six in the USA. At that point when living in Europe, I think I’ll be living as an expat . I never deny my heritage and have two passports. I know I will never live permanently in Colombia, and am still figuring out if I will end up permanently in Italy or the US. Like your dad, I’d rather consider myself a citizen of the world. Paperwork is needed mainly to be able to continue our journeys. Thank you for sharing your experiences!! I’ve finally succeeded in following FIRE (minus the “early”) myself. 😊

[@shinyshinythings]

Well said. Good luck with your journeys, wherever they may take you!

[@aantebajocabecon]

Maybe others can confirm, but I think the bad press of expats in Portugal may be an exception in Europe. In other European countries, immigrants are more likely to be considered of a lower socioeconomic class, usually coming from a poor country, etc. In contrast, expats are either rich, highly educated or come from a rich country. This is at least my experience in Spain and Germany

[@carlosarturoarengasquinter7445]

An immigrant is often considered to be someone who has moved to another country permanently, and an expatriate is often considered to have moved to a country temporarily for different reasons, including a job transfer, new job, studies, or retirement. CARLOS ARENGAS Barranquilla

[@paolazen705]

Based on the dictionary definitions, I can conclude that all immigrants are expat, but all expat are not necessarily immigrants.

[@paolazen705]

I prefer to keep with the "world is my home" by Gigi🥰

[@user-dr1ct5uy8c]

This is a very interesting question. When I relocate out of the U.S., I will call myself an expat. The reason being is, all of my income is derived from investing in the U.S. Stock market and American real estate. Additionally, I will still have to pay federal taxes. Also, at this stage in my life, I cannot pretend that I will be living permanently in any foreign country. I may elect to live in South Africa for a few years, and then move on to Portugal, Dubai, Spain or Costa Rica. Additionally, I will always keep a home base in the U.S. via my real estate. This is why I will call myself an expat and not an immigrant.

[@madalenarodrigues2494]

Very good points… I always thought of an expat as someone whose job is still based in their home country but has a temporary assignment abroad, I had not thought of it in the broader sense of income being derived from the home country.

[@carminfrancisco9512]

Gigi’s conversation was the best! I feel like as long as you are respectful of a culture while traveling, the label is not necessary. If you’re fortunate enough to stay in a different country for an extended period of time, then congrats and you’ve earned that adventure!

[@sdls92110]

This is a super interesting discussion and I've had it with other expat/immigrant and local friends. But also we are very much in a "nothing is permanent" mindset - we just never know where adventure and curiosity may take us in the future! We tend to call ourselves immigrants here in Portugal for all the reasons you said. Thx for sharing y'all's perspectives.

[@knanhsnov5604]

Many thanks for the useful information.

[@m.g.3021]

That was fun and informative. Loved your dad’s definition!

[@rhondamcdonald8086]

😂I loved ❤️ your explanation and hearing from Gigi!!! Down to earth realistic.🤗💖💕

[@OurRichJourney]

😊 thank you Rhonda!!!❤️❤️❤️

[@rhondamcdonald8086]

@@OurRichJourney You’re so welcome!!!😉 I totally love you guys!🤗💖💕Have a wonderful day!!!🌈🌤️🌻🦋🌺

[@msmj9102]

Happy Sunday everyone

[@OurRichJourney]

Happy Sunday!!!❤

[@sonja8942]

Another great video with thought provoking ideas!

[@23archer28]

I agree with Daddy, the World is Home❤

[@OurRichJourney]

❤️❤️❤️

[@at706145]

In Portuguese we have the “Imigrante” (the one coming in) & the “Emigrante” (the one going out).

[@darylmiller8911]

I liked his answer for where you call home, the world! Amazing!

[@carlosarturoarengasquinter7445]

An expatriate goes to another country voluntarily, but the immigrant leaves almost forced. Carlos Arengas Barranquilla Colombia.

[@soniasantos6907]

carlos, eu penso exactamente o contrário. Estamos a confundir 3 coisas, a saber :Expatriado, imigrante e refugiados. Estes últimos é que são obrigados a fugir de qq coisa.

[@cann9155]

Thxx guys 💝💝💝💝

[@TheLabossShow]

Gigi killed this video for sure 🤣 have a good day guys

[@gabriellehollis9081]

I feel that the term expat is a way for people coming from western countries to differentiate themselves as superior travelers (almost a colonial endeavor), and avoid the stigmatism of the label immigrant. I know in Mexico, they think of Americans & Europeans as crazy calling themselves expats now that they are flooding into their country, they consider them migrants. They have whole conversations down there about this subject. Interesting topic. Personally, I feel that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If we perceive them as immigrants and aliens coming into western countries, then they should consider us the same.

[@mariviberrios]

What an amazing way of defining home!

[@JeffRhinoBannister]

You are correct. No matter what, we are ALWAYS A GUEST.

[@carlosdejesus123]

You are an expat regarding your country of origin. You're an immigrant in the foreign country where you moved to.

[@OurBlackUtopia]

Hey lovelies, great seeing you, Amon yesterday on the bike trail. I firmly believe that people have a right to self-define!! For so long, people who looked like me could not self define in my home country 😢. With that I consider myself both - an expat from the US and for now an immigrant to Portugal. And yes, Ric and I very much view ourselves as guests in this magical country

[@msmj9102]

Gigi is hilarious and living his best life.

[@OurRichJourney]

Gigi is definitely living his best life!!!!!

[@danelledautrievesanford]

Happy Sunday.

[@OurRichJourney]

Happy Sunday Danelle!!!❤️

[@ldehoyos4442]

...important topic...as the saying goes: it all depends on the color of the glass you look thorough....in practical terms: ex-pat - you have money, immigrant - you have little or no money....

[@the_epileptic_wanderer]

Thank you for bringing up this subject. When I move abroad, I will consider myself an immigrant since I'm planning on making where I land my new home. I want to immerse in the community and contribute to it as well.

[@linamacia9864]

An expat is a person who lives outside their native country, usually for a limited period of time, and may or may not intend to return to their home country. On the other hand, an immigrant is a person who moves to a new country with the intention of settling there permanently.

[@chuckmurray1825]

I think if anyone is going to assign a label to you, it should be you. You guys are the only ones who decide if you are expats or immigrants. I'm very inspired by what you accomplished and the freedom you have to be and do what you want. I've shown your KZbin channel to others so they too can be inspired. I have some very big decisions to make in the next 12 months for my own future and I don't think I'm staying in the U.S. after retirement. I think I can have a better standard of living abroad for less and live in a less polarized and violent society.

[@JL-hn6hi]

I think a part of the equation is where you vote, or want to vote, or would feel bad if you couldn’t vote. That can be a different place than where you happen to live.

[@Xxnyx07]

This is really interesting! It seems that the distinction is largely based on someone’s ability to move. Expats are associated with wealthier foreigners who have the ability to be transient, to come and go as they please. Most immigrant families use all their resources to move to another country, there’s not really an option to leave (my family’s story.) There are negatives associated with both, expats being seen as more privileged and uncommitted and immigrants being seen as a group of people who may need more social supports, or even racist connotations, and both of these stereotypes could be false. Negativity at one group is missing the big picture.

[@irmelieija]

I my home country Finland we define expats as persons who are paid from a Finnish company or the goverment, but they are living abroad for a few years. They are persons with no intentions to stay in that foreign country, but to return back to Finland after a few years. Since they are paid from Finland, they also stay in the Finnish social security. Immigrants are persons that leave Finland and find a job or a source of income in that new country. They are not part of the Finnish social security anymore, but they can still own properties or assets in Finland and have to pay taxes on those. Income taxes are paid in the new country of residence. I am an immigrant in Germany and have Finnish and German passports. In a few years I want to became a traveller.

[@alatsaf]

I agree with this.

[@oksanamaxwell]

I absolutely understand you guys. I‘ve lived also in different countries and never considered myself an Immigrant to those countries cuz I knew it was temporarily until I moved to germany where I consider now my home. So I can finally say I‘m an immigrant of Germany ❤

[@feliciaflinders]

❤❤❤ love it you're so like your dad

[@user-of2co3ke5p]

You are whatever you choose to be🙂 and I love it.

[@OurRichJourney]

You are so sweet! Thank you!!!🤩

[@FleurdeLinda.Stitches]

To me, an immigrant is one who gives up (denounces) their home citizenship to become a citizen of the country they reside in.

[@GengoSenmon]

I may be your ONLY subscriber who got the thumbnail reference! Recreation of the famous MMA Nate Diaz shot after he beat Conor McGregor! Very clever!

[@DestinationRetirement]

I am a US Citizen and I am immigrating to Mexico. I own 3 houses in Mérida so clearly I am going to be calling Mexico my home! :) Love your content, always.

[@PinkieSmith]

To me, an expat leaves their home country (expatriates) to live in another country, permanently or temporarily. An emigrant leaves their home country for another country, and becomes an immigrant if they stay permanently. As I see it, you’re either an expatriate who emigrated to settle in another country permanently as an immigrant, or you’re an expatriate who emigrated to another country to live temporarily (long or short-term). The values of “good”, “bad”, “positive” or “negative” are purely in the mind of the individual, IMO.

[@alatsaf]

In my experience. Someone call his or her self expat because they want to feel superior to the other. If you are not sent by your company or your government then you are expat. But if you go there to live voluntarily or not then you are immigrant. There are many kind of immigrants; financial immigrant, political immigrant, etc.

[@R1M1r1m1]

I never really hear the term expat when it comes to someone moving to the US. I usually hear it as someone from the US or a western country moving abroad. When someone moves from abroad to the US or some Western European country I usually hear the term immigrant.

[@ibaker2240]

Maybe " nomad" is the proper term. You move to wherever Conditions are best.

[@globetrotter6060]

I've been living in Oman for 10 years and I still call myself an expat. I don't have permanent residency and I dont plan or expect to get it. Same as you guys, if they ever made me leave I have no choice but to

[@soniasantos6907]

Like!!

[@reginapolo3357]

It is financial issue. My American friend call most American "expats" in Panama, "Financial refugees"

[@tomcoatney]

I think the labels are confusing. My usage typically means that I’m differentiating whether you are talking about where you’re from or where you’re going to. I think of “expatriate” as a term from someone who left a place: US expats left the US, UK expats left the UK, etc while I think of “immigrant” as referring to those who have come to a country: US immigrants are those who came to the US, Portuguese immigrants are those who came to Portugal etc. So, a Portuguese expat would be a person from Portugal living in another country. There is also a connotation of permanence too, right? Expats might return - they can be less permanent. Immigrants seem quite permanent. Just my $0.02 - and worth less than that.

[@christinecoleman6460]

I wouldn't want to put a label on an individual living in another country for a short time or for lifetime. I would love to visit other countries and lived there for the experience.

[@OutandAboutwithTanjaB]

I feel like Gigi! The world is my home. However, there are homes that can be a good or bad fit.

[@steveh545]

Not that my definition matters, but when you retire to another country you’re sort of an expat. When you move to another country to work in that country, you’re an immigrant. Moving to work remotely/virtually sort of blurs the lines. Y’all retired to Portugal (expats) but as you integrate more and more, seems like “immigrant” isn’t far off the mark. I really think it’s based on why you move somewhere. Neither should be derogatory. Permanency of move (as initially intended) is another factor, as the dictionaries state.

[@Bawdale]

I would consider an expat to be someone who say moved to Portugal for a work contract and would return home eventually. An immigrant is someone who has migrated permanently and maybe adopts a local passport.

[@LisaMoo54]

You can't argue with a dictionary definition. You just have to decide which definition suits you best, and that's up to the individual. I don't think it's fair to categorize others when you may not know what their intentions are. As the saying goes: "What you think of me is none of my business." I was born in the Mediterranea and went to boarding school in England and Lebanon. I have lived and worked in the US for the last 45+ years, but I still think of myself as a citizen of the world.

[@larisagehmie5127]

I think the issues is that for most people in the world moving from the "global south" to the west do not have the option to call themselves expats. Especially in the US. No one from outside the US is called an expat, you are literally called an immigrant or worse, an alien. The immigration/immigrant word does have a negative connotation because of where you come from.

[@williamgates2466]

I wonder why he likes Japan. Just curious.. I’m both expat and immigrate. And my home is the world

[@vereauxr]

Helpful distinction. All immigrants are expatriates, but not all expatriates are immigrants.

[@layla8647]

Great conversation & y’all did a great job. But can we talk about Baby Amon in Africa 😁!!!

[@bushwick5666]

Interesting topic. Should Foreign Service officers consider themselves expats seeing as though their sole purpose for being in country is due to their employment with State? I could see it going either way

[@WillinggToFail]

Well now, that was quite interesting. Coming from the US and being a Black woman, I'd come to think of expat as an elitist term. It had only negative connotations because that seemed to be the preferred term for people from more affluent countries seeking a more affordable life in places where their money would go further. These people had no regard for the people already living in that country. Having not left the US just yet, I resolved myself to never using the term in an attempt to not further American colonialism. Now after watching this, I feel a little differently about it all. My plan is to immigrate to my new country. While I want to still travel and explore the world, I want to do this while basing out of my new country. I also want to integrate as much as possible into my new country, although I think many people will always consider recent (or not so recent) newcomers as forever foreigners. Even still, this is what I'm striving for. Great video. As a word nerd myself, I love defining things. It gives you a good starting point. I do think that everyone, regardless of financial status, should have the ability to fluctuate between considering themselves either an expat or an immigrant depending on the vibes at any given moment.

[@LostintheUS2030]

When I lived outside the US 3x, I always considered myself a temporary immigrant. As I never planned to stay in those said countries permanently. However (🙏🏽 God's will and grace), my next move, I will be an expat (from the US) and an immigrant (to my new country). I plan to stay permanently.

[@actionvj]

🤔 Isn't the answer BOTH? You are an ex-pat to your old country and an immigrant to your new country.🤷🏾‍♂

[@ManuelSobral-vb3oi]

I think that you've endured so much the Portuguese spirit in yourselves that i feel you as real Portuguese. You love our country Portugal but are allways looking for far adventures elsewhere.

[@Moraima2009]

as both of you I consider myself an explorer. Now we are in the process to immigrate for the send time of my life to Europe more likely, so I am an immigrant, I ususally consider Expat a person who is temporarily in a country. How about the Canadian Snow birds, expat? Immigrant?

[@sambag.finunu6780]

Nice point of view from Gigi, simple, no complications 🤩. Many people I know prefer to call themselves « Expats », giving themselves a kind of status. But it’s nothing. Most of them are immigrants 😅. At the end, like Gigi said, the world is our Home 🏠.

[@OurRichJourney]

Yes! I love the thought that the world is our home!!!

[@JFTL81]

What does your dad do for a living in Japan?

[@danieltik]

Tell us about your Nigerian experience

[@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

Your family is not in the USA and that's a good thing for the foreseeable future. I was born in Iowa in the 1960's and I'm Black; I remember a world that people 20 years my junior would not. The USA has boiling tensions and a contingent of myopic people that are willing to go to extremes if they don't get their way (they've already proved that). They're not even aware of what they're capable of and they don't know anything about history which makes them dangerous all the more. The Red Summer of 1919: It's worth considering for anyone that's unaware of what I'm talking about. Those that don't know history never fail to repeat it.

[@ML-dj8fq]

Do you plan to have the Portuguese nationality?

[@user-dr1ct5uy8c]

No, they will not. In the video they explicitly stated that they will be in Portugal as long as it suits their needs. If however later down the road, they decide that it's no longer for them, they will move on. They are definitely expats.

[@soniasantos6907]

Olá!! sou PT e vou escrever em português porque é mais fácil para mim e sei que já entendem a Língua. Para mim, portuguesa, o expatriado é aquele que sai do país contrariado ( por questões políticas ou outras). Enfim é obrigado a isso. O imigrante vem porque quer, devia tomar uma opção racional ( nem sempre acontece). Já não tenho paciência para pesquisar a origem desses conceitos . Tenho 63 anos e não tenho "pachorra" para tal. Por ex. sou filha de emigrantes e nunca pensei que fossem expatriados. Porque foram voluntáriamente. Na minha visão, o Expatriado é aquele q é obrigado a sair do seu país. Penso que não é o vosso caso, aliás já devem ter nacionalidade PT pelo tempo que já aqui estão ou não querem?? Sigo o vosso Canal há muito tempo , mas nunca tinha feito um comentário. Obrigada por estarem entre nós!!!

[@sirrebral]

The debate over these terms reminds me of how those of us from the States are known as "ugly Americans" when we all too often act like the United States is the center of the universe. We get into trouble when we talk to people from other countries as if they are Americans with the exact same perspectives and values that we grew up with. So it's a bit culturally-inept to use the term "expat" when speaking with someone who doesn't share the same country of origin (or, at the very least, the same world-view). With all due deference to the dictionary definitions, context matters (and probably matters more so.) The two terms are relative to one's own perspective...in other words, the correct word depends on the audience we're speaking with. The term "expat" is used in context to one's fellow citizens (e.g. "we are both from the States, but she now lives in Portugal...she's an expat"). In contrast, when describing someone with a different national origin (like an American speaking to a Portuguese person), the term "immigrant" applies (e.g. "she immigrated here to Lisbon from Spain; she's an immigrant".) In that context, it's kind of weird to think of/refer to one's self as an "immigrant", since self-identity is a conversation with yourself, not someone from another country. It seems that the controversy over the terms starts when we forget who our audience is, and we say a word used to describe ourselves to someone who is not from our proverbial "tribe" (fellow countrymen, or fellow "world-citizens" who've chose to expatriate themselves, whether temporarily or permanently).

[@rkarmen1000]

Legally you are an immigrant until you are a permanent resident or citizen

[@CreolePolyglot]

ctfu at "ex from the country, so pat in some other country" 🤣

[@Renpenz29]

It's a term rooted in classism, often used by Westerners. We can use all these mental semantics. But it is, what it is.

[@pedromata9352]

Travel the world them come back to tugaland.

[@peterstgeorge7542]

you're both, you emigrate to a new land...which makes you an immigrant to others but once you make a life and take down roots and pay taxes and contribute to the new land you are an expate, especially if you change citizenship. But you guys are really citizens of the world

[@joaomoedas1702]

‘Expat’ derives from British exceptionalism. If you consider yourself exceptional to the rest of the population and have zero intention of being part of the community then you are an expat.

[@rkarmen1000]

What does your documents say? What country in the world use legally a term expat? Supremacist term only use by Anglo speaking people

[@orsing7842]

Best post i found as far rest are trash and full of scam.. thanks dude

[@rkarmen1000]

Ask people that are no English speaking to explain you

[@anitainlisbon8836]

If you speaking in Portuguese, it will always be immigrants, but I stand to correction 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@RSADYNAMICS]

The word immigrant is reserved for people of colour coming to white countries and the word expat is used when white people immigrate to other countries. The word immigrant is reserved for lower class of people and people who are considered subhuman although they are essentially the same thing this is what I have gathered from listening to people talk about immigration for example of British person who has moved to Dubai and Muslim country would usually say he is expat and if you referred him as an immigrant he will become extremely offended as he sees the word immigrant reserved for a lower class of person

[@ruimpinho]

False. It’s about the source of income. Immigrants work in the same country where they live. Expats usually bring their work/income from abroad. Simple as that.

[@JoaoSantos-lj3jp]

​@@ruimpinho No, it's not as simple as that in practice. A British person who moves to the US, an American who moves to Australia, a Canadian who moves to England, even when they work for companies in the country they moved to, will rarely be called an immigrant and will usually be called an expat. Perhaps they are going against the dictionary definition but it's reality.

[@Bigbnfgv]

Finally someone not beating around the bush 😂😂😂

[@user-dr1ct5uy8c]

​@@ruimpinho You are correct. A true immigrant to another country literally builds a new life in that country (by working in said country, learning the language, and becoming immersed in the culture of that new country). They also usually seek permanent residency or citizenship, so that they can solidify their identity within their new country. If they have children, their children become fully immersed in the new country's culture. Much of this wouldn't apply to me. When I move abroad, I have no interest in partaking in anything political or obtaining a permanent residency or citizenship in another country. Additionally, I will certainly learn the customs and take language classes, but not out of necessity to get a job in the foreign countries that I choose to live in (since my income from real estate, U.S. stock market, vested pension plan, and later when I'm 62 social security, will be derived from the U.S.). I would have no problem calling myself an immigrant, if I moved to a country and was part of their labor force and planned to stay permanently in that country. That is however not my predicament. I think American retirees (of all races) who live in a foreign country usually refer to themselves as "expats" for the reasons that I pointed out.

[@ruimpinho]

@@user-dr1ct5uy8c precisely.

[@MarkRay84]

X-imma-pat 🤣

[@smann7236]

Who cares... you're millionaires! You have options. The whole world is a mess. Don't label yourself.

[@rkarmen1000]

No funny no funny at all, it's insulting to non English speaking people in the world that arrogant term

[@user-vc7cu9ks6y]

You made me laugh. As far as i am concerned you are officially portuguese. God Bless you! Who cares what other people say. Just enjoy the journey with Jesus.

[@JoseFerreira-vj3lq]

Come on! You all know that the word expat doesn't have a conotation with misery and poverty like immigrant.