Immigration: Social Costs vs. Economic Benefits || Peter Zeihan

[@Asdf-wf6en]

You’re missing a few economic downsides. Immigration lowers labor costs which is code for it lowers wages. It also increases demand for housing thereby causing house prices to go up. Canada is struggling with this big time.

[@him_That_is_me]

It lowers wages in the sector that the immigrants can enter, which is low skill blue collar since they don't have an education and can't speak the language. Since those sectors are either small in many European countries or are traditionally the source of middle class work, yes, it causes massive problems. I think almost 2/3 of the correct unemployment numbers in Sweden are just immigrants.

[@NichoTBE]

Elites want lower wages and higher rents because they want a surfdom economy where you will own nothing and be happy.

[@joefish4466]

Unemployment in the US is like 4%. Lower wages is not an issue. Like he said, immigration is mostly a positive, which is contrary to what the GOP is pushing. Housing supply is a separate issue and immigration is not the driver for housing shortages.

[@sergeant64]

Migrants are often over-generalized, but it’s important to recognize the diversity among them. For instance, a university-educated individual from Ukraine or China is different from someone with a different background from Somalia (stoneage). Some countries receive more highly educated migrants, while others may receive individuals with lower levels of education and skills. Migration is also a form of modern slave trade. Africa needs all educated people themselves, education is expensive.

[@IanHobday]

This is why being in favor of large scale immigration has traditionally been a right-wing/conservative stance. The traditional left-wing stance is to restrict mass immigration and promote strong unions. Reagan's amnesty for millions of undocumented immigrants (and his union busting) are examples of the traditional stances of the right wing.

[@mc-zy7ju]

The point is being selective, not opening the floodgates.

[@ScaryGhostToilet]

The fact he doesn’t discuss the concept of per capita really shows his dissonance

[@ChispyReddit]

We're not being fast enough apparently.

[@TheJosephPrice]

@@ChispyRedditwe need to dramatically reduce the flow of migrants coming in and be more selective. Otherwise, we are heading towards major societal problems.

[@richardyu5283]

Exactly

[@flok462]

Works only if you start early enough. If you waited too long time runs out if you are too selektive.

[@augustaj3952]

Most of these points do not apply in Scandinavia. Immigrant crime is much higher than nationals. Most Middle Eastern and Eastern European immigrants with Muslim beliefs can not be assimilated into North West Europe/Scandinavian values. It's been tried and tested for decades, and the social and economic problems are not solvable.

[@TheTroyc1982]

They assimilate fine in North America, maybe Swedes are the problem in this situation.

[@25Soupy]

As a Canadian I can tell you Peter doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@bryanutility9609]

@@25SoupyPeter lives in all white Boulder, CO. Immigrants can’t afford to live there. Disgusting hypocrisy.

[@janobrien1936]

@@TheTroyc1982no they don’t.

[@effexon]

scandinavia formed in very differnet mentality , mostly centuries of constant wars. thus "system", culture evolved to take care of people but put also strong cultural requirements for them. unity was paramount. immigration workforce was only needed for highskilled eg cultural, science special cases (some authors, scientists were private teachers of swedish kings; well known in whole europe in their time, invited to king's castle; otherwise no need for lowskill labor as population growth was as big as food available). Religion choices are part of this competition, curiously sweden chose protestantic lutheran so catholic enemies didnt benefit/cant infiltrate and so on + pope cant undermine sovereignty of king and country. Europe has been centuries relatively speaking densely populated continent(competitor is always very closeby), so no more humans were needed + resource scarcity due to this fact has more or less always been present.

[@ChristianKurzke]

As a GERMAN engineer who immigrated to Silicon Valley.....let me tell you.... This is gonna end badly for GERMANY!!!

[@stevenalvarado-doc7334]

Welcome: make sure you have a few kids.

[@DenverPicker]

Germany over emphasizes college degrees; so many arrogant Bavarians ive met cant or refuse to even use a hammer. There’s a cost…

[@Steve-O_27]

Spain too

[@CARBONHAWK1]

Well start having kids the white elites know about the birthrates so they brought in working age migrants. This concept of whiteness is a sham by them

[@Sagiterrian77]

You mean like invading USSR ?

[@raymond-i2v]

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[@JCNL871]

Economically speaking, immigration is not a slam dunk at all. According to Danish and Dutch data, immigrants from the Middle East, North Africa and Pakistan (both first and second generation) are a net loss for those states for their entire lives.

[@24ackiwi]

In Norway, I have noticed that too. It seems like the Muslim cultures aren’t that interested in assimilating.

[@joefish4466]

He never said all immigration was a slam dunk. He notes some caveats. He basically said, immigration by motivated & educated 20-40 year olds was a good thing. Old immigrants who can't work or won't work is not as good. A whole lot of baby immigrants wasn't so good because of the added cost of getting them to working age.

[@Alain.Robert]

In very homogenous society with systemic racism (most of the time not voluntarely), it's hard for people from other cultures to thrive

[@JCNL871]

@@Alain.Robert Western Europe has the least amount of systemic racism of basically any society in history. What are you talking about…?

[@bp8220]

America gets the H1B who are high skilled, as well as undocumented that keep a low profile and are here to work. Europe gets the scraps that cant get a USA visa or run thru the border, since they're kinda extra racist and dont pay as well as the USA

[@winnie796]

Norway's statistics are very clear (average per person): Western migrants (Western Europe, UK, USA, Australia & NZ) contribute very positively to the economy. Eastern Europeans break even, they don't contribute but neither do they cost the economy. Third World migrants cost an absolute fortune for the state over their lifetime. Crime statistics also clearly show that migrants from the Third World are very over represented in nearly all crimes, especially second and third generations of migrant descent.

[@joefish4466]

In America, Blacks and Latinos are over represented in US jails. Why? Racism and poverty. It's nice to know that racists live proudly in Norway, Sweden and Netherlands to carry on the work that America started when they failed to fully abolish the consequences of slavery.

[@philipjamesparsons]

Third world people = third world problems.

[@paulschmitz9175]

An inconvenient truth for Propaganda Peter.

[@TheMastaRob]

Same with Denmark, they publish detailed figures based on country of origin for crime and financial contribution. It's the total inverse of Peters claims. Honestly I'm not sure why I watch Peters videos any more, whenever he strays into a subject I've done prior research on I find him confidently wrong.

[@rd0676]

Third world is an outdated term. The Cold War ended a long time ago. Ireland and Austria would technically be considered third world countries. If you want to do a racism, just do the racism

[@DonaldMark-ne7se]

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[@sapphyrus]

Growth should be rejected as the holy grail of metrics, then we can have sane policies that actually prioritize the welfare of citizens.

[@michaelbizon444]

Before 1933 the US dollar was set at $20.66 an ounce of gold. That had held steady for the prior 50 years. Imagine, practically no inflation or price changes for nearly 50 years. Where the same costs and prices are multi generational. Then look at how the average single wage earner could support his family into the 1950's. Not even the best jobs either, milk man, gas station attendant, ranch hand. The labor pool was not kept super saturated with illegals and Americans were paid a living wage for their work.

[@JohnThomas-i4x]

Growth is not sustainable for ever or even 50 years. Anyone who thinks growth is that "holy grail" is either massively naive, or massively rich and getting richer. Everyone loses in the end.

[@Juiceb0xable]

Elites care about overall GDP because they are taking some off the top of everyone. Normal ppl should be caring about GDP per capita. Which is completely fucked by mass immigration

[@GhostRangerr]

Growth means nothing when GDP per capita continues to decline

[@dabluntz19]

As long as corporate elites have a straglehold on government we won’t see this mindset change unfortunately. It neeeds to happen though

[@Hahnsolo07]

Sorry Peter, but you are dead wrong on this subject. You are underplaying the catastrophic and disruptive effect this is having on societies, destabilising them. Germany is in the process, as are many other European countries, of commiting demographic suicide and losing their culture and identity in the process. It's infinitely more nuanced than how you present it here

[@mathurex211]

That is because he's a shill. He repeated the talking point that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes when that is categorically untrue. And he absolutely knows better.

[@truenewsglobal]

Peter is a soft-core snowflake. That’s what people don’t realize.

[@cebb-gj6wi]

His numbers are completely off as well. This was kinda scary. I know quite a bit about this topic. I have always trusted this guy, but now I understand I must proceed with caution, as he is clearly able to just make stuff up?

[@Frankishsaxon89]

Culture is a product of race. Race is real, and it matters. Importing large numbers of Africans and Arabs does not provide any net benefit. Without Africans in America, the crime rate would be cut in half. It’s nonsense to say that poverty causes crime; if that were true, Moldova would be one of the most dangerous countries in the world.

[@jfkst1]

@@Frankishsaxon89 That's raYciss!!! How dare you be scientifically literate.

[@oldchicken2]

Peter Peter….mass immigration is far from an economic slam dunk. In Canada it’s led to a massive rise in the cost of housing, strained infrastructure and welfare programs to the breaking point. Not to mention it’s effects on wages, social cohesion and so on. While mass immigration may have generated a net tax surplus, it ultimately requires Canadians to pay more in terms of cost of living. So no, unless you’re a major CEO, mass immigration has not been good for the economy.

[@abelardoruiz5544]

In Canda the house price problem is not because immigration per se... is more because of people speculating buying houses in bulk... is just a "coincidence" the majority are rich Chinese.

[@kaseyc5078]

Rich people like Peter don’t care as they’re gated off from the negatives of mass immigration

[@atikameg73]

The housing crunch is a demographics issue. The boomers left their jobs, but not their homes. Also, if you look at which demographic is putting up the most political roadblocks to building new homes, its the boomers. They are the group that is benefitting the most from insanely high real estate values.

[@CBSA13]

Other comments here are absolutely right, we haven't kept up with building housing. Too much NIMBYism, corporate profiteering, red tape and a lack of willingness to invest in mass transit and density in the most in demand areas. Immigration has aggravated the problem but we would be having this crisis with or without it.

[@nikitazolotarov593]

Immigrants don't usually go on welfare. They are actually more eager to get employed (most of the time). But there is something to be said about uncontrolled immigration, with fake colleges for student visa etc.

[@davedeville6540]

Maybe Sweden is very different from Canada and Germany. Our government data paints a much less rosy picture. When looking at criminal convictions in Sweden, the overrepresentation of first- and second-generation immigrants remains pronounced, but additional nuances emerge. 1. **Conviction Rates**: - **First-generation immigrants** (those born abroad) are convicted of crimes at a higher rate than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents. According to Brottsförebyggande rådet (Brå), first-generation immigrants are 2.5 times more likely to be convicted than native Swedes . - **Second-generation immigrants** (born in Sweden to foreign-born parents) exhibit an even higher overrepresentation. They are 3.2 times more likely to be convicted compared to individuals with Swedish-born parents 2. **Types of Crimes**: - Certain types of crimes show even greater disparities. For example, convictions for violent crimes, such as robbery and homicide, show overrepresentation rates up to 11.5 times for second-generation immigrants in some groups. - This contrasts with other offenses, such as vandalism, where the disparity is lower (approximately 1.7 times)

[@Bayard1503]

It's a matter of law, in other places immigrants are afraid that if they do something wrong they will be deported... so they are much more careful with how they behave. That's not the case in Sweden so you get more crime with them, mostly because of poverty.

[@musthaveacamel2157]

They are more trouble than worth on the whole

[@ackwebde]

Germany is the same. Statistics show a significant overrepresentation when it comes to crime and reliance on social benefits.

[@svenhaheim]

@@Bayard1503 Has nothing literally nothing to do with poverty but everything to do with culture, religion and general outlook.

[@TS-jm7jm]

​@@svenhaheimits racial, face the truth

[@piotrb4240]

I think it's worth pointing out, that mass immigration to Germany did NOT begin in the 1990s. It began in the 60s, when Germany imported millions of "Gastarbeiter" ("guest workers"), most of all from Turkey. Just that the guest workers stayed for good. There was also a large migration flow from Poland, mainly descendants of German citizens who could get the passport easily, but also Russians with German roots, such as Volga Germans, and from other countries. There were more Polish-born people in Germany than ever in the UK.

[@joest.pierre8280]

Great observation. And the Turks they invited in were mostly from the Sea of Marmara area and cities like Izmir. A very different area than central Anatolia.

[@Der_Thrombozyt]

Commented the same. Sadly Peter is always weak on his knowledge on Europe.

[@45641560456405640563]

I thought of the Turkish migration too. Were the numbers anything like we're seeing now?

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

How long of a time frame did "millions" of Turks arrive? Idk, but I suspect it might have been slower than the more recent waves?

[@piotrb4240]

@@chickenfishhybrid44 In peak years 1969-1973, annual arrivals to West Germany, a country of 60 million inhabitants at the time, were between 900 thousand and 1 million (Destatis data). Afterwards, up to 1990 it averaged around 600 thousand a year, with large variations. This of course includes all nationalities, also Greeks, Italians, Moroccans etc., who also came as guest workers. I don't have exact numbers for Turks, but nowadays 3 million Germans have a Turkish background, of which 1.3 million have the Turkish passport.

[@lq4275]

Peter is wrong here. I live in Canada and we used to pick our immigrants mostly highly skilled labor. We still do, but we've let in massive amount of low skilled people and at this point, we're mostly letting in people to work low wage jobs and it's become impossible for 'native' teenagers and young adults to find a low skill job. Here in Quebec it's less bad because of the language barrier, but it's just gotten ridiculous in Ontario, where you have extremely long lines of people applying to a Tim Hortons job, to live crammed up in tiny apartments at high prices because there's just no place to live anymore. We can't build fast enough at this rate and rents have gotten ridiculous. Schools and hopstials are extremely stressed because we can't absorb the number of people coming in fast enough. As for crime, Peter is wrong since in cities, all crime is up, especially violent crimes. That is probably caused by economic factors rather than immigrants, but indirectly, letting in so many people pushes rent up and leaves the bottom 5% people in a rough spot. Now of course you can't say that in Canada because you'll be called a racist but I llive in a very veyr diverse neighborhood basically downtown of a big city and I enjoy diversity but the rate at which we let people in is not sustainable and now racism and xenophobia is rising extremely fast. Thankfully, government officials are starting to slow down a bit but not by very much. Thanks to immigrations our GDP is still rising slighting, but per capita, we have pre-covid gdp so it's not exactly a net win, unless you're a corporation.

[@BasePuma4007]

Part of the reason for crime going up is due to the Trudeau government's decision to relax bail rules, where repeat violent criminals have a pathway to get out of jail on bail, where they go and commit more crime. If you pay attention to any major cities news cycle (Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Calgary) you will see stories about someone getting brutally assaulted or killed by someone that got out of jail on bail, regularly. The naivety on this issue from the Liberal base in the center of the country is the main reason crime has gone up, coupled with the opioid and drug crisis. It's not really immigration that is the problem there. As much as people are getting sick of so many Indians coming to the country, I highly doubt Indians or other immigrants groups commit crimes to the same extent as other groups in Canada.

[@maxwellmueller9384]

​@@EJH783Indians are as proud of their country as they are of living abroad.

[@lq4275]

@@EJH783 i didn't say anything about indians, you did. here in Quebec we mostly have west africans and arabs so when I think about mass immigration, indians is not even what comes to mind. the low skill labor isn't a myth, even the UN said our temp worker policies were akin to slavery and opened people up for abuse.

[@lq4275]

@@EJH783 I see you on other threads trying to get a rise out of people by agitating racism, even talking down to an east indian....how bizarre.

[@lq4275]

@@EJH783 are you using the JD VAnce method of creating stories to get attention? The dude was not self-hating. It's obvious for anyone with a pair of eyes that the quality of immigrant is not exactly great. They have let in so many temp workers and refugees, on top of the students and legal immigrants. there's just a physical limit to how many people you can cram into a limited housing supply. canadians all across the political spectrum agree about this, including the govt who starts to wake up recently. you're just agitating cuz I don't know...maybe youre a russian bot

[@malin5468]

I was at dinner with some Chinese friends a few years ago. The males started discussing what would happen if a war broke out between the USA and China. Without exception, they all agreed that they would fight for the Chinese side. I think that is true for 80-90% of first generation Chinese immigrants, but not for second generation.

[@miamithijs3579]

In the Netherlands 70% of the jails are filled wih people with a migration background. Numbers came out last week. Also it seems a lot dont mix with local population. Guess why

[@joefish4466]

That sounds like USA where most of the people in jail are black or Latino. Guess why? Because America is racist. So more likely, if you have too many migrants in your jails, then it's probably because you are racists.

[@aryaman05]

Same in the UK and pretty much rest of Western EU too !

[@dannydxm]

Exactly, where is Peter getting is stats from? Cause they're not matching up with what we see on the ground at all.

[@gr7725]

​@@dannydxmHe's deliberately obfuscating. CIA assets cannot tell the truth

[@westphalianstallion4293]

@@dannydxm Its Peter talking about europe? Nothing new...infotainment for US boomer mid-witts

[@amitpadgaonkar8830]

An Indian Canadian here. The quality of immigrants that have come in recently is horrifying. Its changing the virtuous fabric of this country. Coupled with "socialist beaurocracy" has caused the house prices to spike making lives of all residents (old & new) unaffordable.

[@aryaman05]

Tomahawk or turban ?

[@matthewpulizos3444]

@@aryaman05lol you think natives call themselves Indians, come on it’s Canada obviously turban

[@terrie3957]

Also the government is blind to how much Canada's economy is resource based, oil, timber, mining, and wants to believe we compete in white collar skills and jobs so much that the immigrants we attract have actually too much education for the jobs that need to be filled. Like the construction trades needed to build more housing. Red tape prevents internationally trained nurses and doctors from working in their field and being in fast food or janitorial work where native born high school graduates enter the economy. The universities and colleges have become gatekeepers in who gets to work in what field with the huge sticker price on their degrees as a gambler's buy in.

[@matthewpulizos3444]

@@EJH783 I don’t think anybody besides a small minority of people in the west don’t want immigration, the vast majority are fine with it, what we have a problem with is illegal immigration. Huge difference that people like you can’t understand, illegal immagrant are criminals the moment they step foot in the country illegally. What so hard to grasp about that. In America we’re all immigrants or children of immigrants we just want people to follow the rules so we can control the flow and the people coming in. Again how hard is it to grasp that?

[@D4353-p6u]

@@EJH783 why are you seething?

[@Interlocutor67]

Social costs and catastrophic demographic changes far outweigh ‘vibrancy’ and exotic cuisines.

[@donaldvanostrand4206]

Nah

[@thewizardstower2649]

Amen

[@nullstyle]

"catastrophic demographic changes". you're gross

[@666j1]

But what about Jewish landlords ? Their property value might fall. I worry about it daily.

[@janus3555]

@@donaldvanostrand4206 Yah, absolutely. To claim otherwise is either delusion or ignorance, or worse, a nefarious ideological position bent on this very issue.

[@kevinfisher7032]

Just returned from the UK (where I grew up) and had many fascinating conversations about the differences between US and UK immigration. As you mention it comes down to assimilation. The US is fretting about Latino immigration but I think it usually only takes one or two generations before Latino migrant children and grandchildren are 100% American (or at least 90%). As you mentioned before, Gringo is an aspirational term. It’s a very different story when you have (many, not all) Muslim immigrants who have no interest in assimilating and remain unchanged for 5, 6 and 7 generations. The 7/7 bus bombers came from my home town (Leeds) and were 4th generation.

[@SeruraRenge11]

It's because America isn't very big on actual assimilation compared to we Europeans. The assimilationist model is "my way or the highway", we historically have forced people to give up their culture, or else. The only reason we didn't get flak for it in the way America's Indian boarding schools did was because we didn't do it to a native people in Europe that we invaded and conquered (unless it's Russia, they did it all the time). Having lived in the US for college, America doesn't really do that. The last time I'm aware of that America just stamped out a culture through beating people for speaking their own language and banning the printing of it, was to German-Americans during the World Wars. America instead just has such a pervasive.....anglo-ness, for lack of a better term, to its broad culture, that you have to adopt aspects of it just to function in the society beyond a base level.

[@sluggo206]

Hispanic immigrants in the US may speak mostly Spanish, but their children speak English, and in a generation or two they often can't speak Spanish. Also, a friend met somebody in Mexico who said, "Everybody I know speaks at least two languages. I speak Spanish, English, and French. It's you Americans who speak only one language."

[@Kim-J312]

As much as people dislike saying it , but the US is very Christian country. Look at the red states!! Mexicans , Mexican-Americans/and South-American are also Christian and pretty conservative. Half the US is conservative. This is huge reason why our immigration is I think easier to deal with . We don't have what UK and EU has , that is mostly all Muslim immigrants.

[@neilrusling-je6zo]

Clearly just accept people NOT from the third world and NOT muslim and the immigration issue is solved.

[@danielsmithiv1279]

​@@SeruraRenge11And American assimilation works

[@stevenalvarado-doc7334]

A few weeks ago a house on my street was receiving a new roof. The entire crew was Hispanic something I have seen quite often as my own roof was replaced in 2013 by an all Hispanic crew. The one item of note about my latest observation was that one of the crew was a stout woman. I watched this woman climb a ladder with roof tiles and she didn't seem to be struggling. I understand that there are a lot negatives issues from mass immigration but if this woman was willing to get out there a do such a backbreaking job I can't fault her for coming here and fighting the good fight. This was in Colorado.

[@philipjamesparsons]

Mass immigration, but falling GDP per capita in the UK. Massive strain on public services and no wage growth. This is not a well thought out video.

[@ak-od7mf]

I think hes stuck in the 1980s... Back then maybe a few idiots still believed this kind of BS.

[@johnd8596]

Peters an old red

[@maxwoodbridge1264]

Same exact situation in Canada - GDP per capita falling, 1.5million immigrants a year, most are low skilled males. Peters in lala land

[@lombardo141]

Instead of complaining why don’t you just elect a far right candidate has prime minister, kick all the immigrants out and see how much worse it will get. 😂

[@Andy_Pandy2000]

In Vancouver, Canada, I have noticed a huge increase in immigrants from India and Pakistan. I don’t see them in skilled jobs so much as serving coffee in Tim Horton’s ( our own version of Starbucks). The other jobs that are taken are are as taxi drivers and bus drivers- hardly skilled labor.

[@glennelliott708]

Indian doctors in Canada are driving taxis because the medical associations refuse to or make impossible for them to become licensed in Canada. Same goes for many professional associations. It’s called shooting yourself in the foot

[@jeanlamb5026]

But their kids will go to college.

[@eriklondon2946]

@@jeanlamb5026 After All of the socialist cost burden will be put onto the citizens of Canada that they will have to pay for the next 30 years (raising the kids and educating them and then paying for the healthcare of their old and very expenseive parents).... Just to finally have their children get into the work force as the average Canadian dies. Sounds like hell, or slavery to me. Why not instead fix the actual problem? Give men ways to make more money, women will want to be mothers, and families will come of it. Same thing, but it is THEIR children.

[@wisenber]

"our own version of Starbucks" Don't insult Tim Horton's that way. Tim's predated Starbucks by decades and succeeded due to Canadians inability to resist a good donut.

[@fortyninehike]

Who do you think is lobbying for them? They want cheap labor that’s easily replaceable.

[@Chris-pq3wp]

In uk the office of budget responsibility has calculated that migrants take 150k per person more than they give in taxes before retirement age

[@brianniegemann4788]

Nevertheless if you don't take them where is the next generation of Canadians coming from? It's the same here in America, the population is getting browner because young whites don't want to have kids. Housing is a big part of the reason for it. I don't know about Canada, but here the real estate and banking interests control local politics. Go to almost any US city or county, you'll find realtors in the local govt. They set the zoning and issue the building permits. The public complains, but most of them don't seem to get the connection.

[@Chris-pq3wp]

@brianniegemann4788 I am talking about the UK not Canada. Here it has been an unmitigated disaster. Most of the social housing is taken up by migrants. We have a housing crisis that means people are unable to have children because they can't afford to support themselves let alone have a family

[@Chris-pq3wp]

@@NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi even if they work low skilled migrants get welfare top ups and free housing

[@systemBuilder]

No doubt Rishi has kept the negative stats about immigration very quiet ...

[@fly463]

Rishi isn't the PM now ​@@systemBuilder

[@markmywords9372]

My friend just came back from Toronto, and said the city has lost all identity with Canada. He called it a third world city and was disgusted with what has happened to a once proud city.

[@xkaokdkl11933]

Yeah Toronto is a 3rd world city.. seriously get outta here LOL

[@TheVeritas2100]

****He called it a third world city and was disgusted with what has happened to a once proud city.***** TRUE !

[@taylormartin4346]

Housing prices, aside from cultural and social decline, is the worst part of immigration.

[@evanburrows1697]

Mass immigration is extreme crony capitalism. Corporations want cheap labour and extra customers. -> This requires promoting mass immigration. --> This requires promoting multiculturalism. ---> This requires promoting "diversity" as a moral imperative, and demonizing nativism and localism. We are not human beings to them, just interchangeable economic inputs. People can complain about the "radical left" and "cultural marxists" all they want, but this has virtually nothing to do with any traditional Left-versus-Right polarity. The truth is "Globalism" and "Wokeness" is extreme crony capitalism in a cheap tuxedo.

[@aaronlandis7929]

​@@EJH783Because both parties are thoroughly captured by corporate interest. And woke people are way more likely to champion immigration and diversity. Woke people are not motivated to advance corporate interests, but that is exactly what they do.

[@justanghozzst8218]

Not everybody owns everything, that's so incredibly far fetched. Super villain delusion.

[@commonwunder]

@evanburrows1697. It's lucky for the Capitalists that the West is not a democracy. If you offered a vote on immigration to the populace... it would have to immediately stop. The Republic was built instead of a democracy, in order to keep the Oligarchy permanently in charge.

[@shazmodan]

We have crime statistics about immigrants in Sweden (BRÅ) and the crime statistics from people from MENA countries are way higher than native born.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

I'm shocked 😂

[@Mattallla]

Same with the Netherlands

[@RamblingOverHillsAndDowns]

KZbin won't allow links but Danish national futures from last year had MENA first generation immigrants at 43 times as likely to be convicted of a crime as a native Dane.

[@markbernier8434]

On this one Peter, experience tells me you need to look again at the social and crime issues.

[@rickybosephus2036]

Hey Peter, you forgot to mention the 300,000 missing "immigration" children. That's not a crime? Where the hell are they?

[@Hawtload]

sex slavery, child labor, body parts, etc

[@NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi]

@@Hawtloadnet economic positive for Peter!

[@rickybosephus2036]

@@NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi lol! Maybe Peter can do a show on economic impact of the 18 CEO's that just resigned the day after Diddy was charged.

[@NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi]

@@rickybosephus2036 is there a list?

[@loganhoffman5789]

You could tell how nervous he was mentioning anything negative about immigration 😂

[@shamicentertainment1262]

I know it gets annoying. Like seriously the world isn’t going to care about all this political correctness when real crisis start to happen. If the data points to something just say it

[@jackf1557]

Might jeopardize his work with the CIA

[@BuyXRP895]

Love PZ but this is a really overly simplified and really fails to point out that mass illegal migration DOES increase crime. Also- immigrants from India/Pakistan and all other countries in the region DO NOT integrate and create parallel societies within the place they have moved to.

[@alburaq3290]

Muslims do that. Never heard of Hindu ghettos.

[@FNisargadatta]

yep, 1. it does increase crime 2. most muslim create parallel societies that destroy trust and social cohesion 3. there is NO economical benefit.... we all know this, the mystery is why even great chap like Peter feel they have to lie and lie about this topic

[@Paul-cu9lu]

100% of illegal immigrants are criminals, by definition. Peter is only talking about legal immigration, on purpose I suspect. By ignoring the flood of illegals, he intends to paint opponents of unchecked migration as racists and bigots. It's the well-worn leftist tactic on page one of the playbook. It's really not surprising that he is doing this. His paymasters directly benefit from the flood of cheap labor and dependent serfs. He himself will likely not be a victim of illegal alien crime due to his privileged position in the hierarchy. The illegals are being sent everywhere except the homes of the connected and powerful, by design.

[@joefish4466]

I think your reading the GOP propaganda on illegal migration and crime. If you look at selected illegal migrants, then certain narrowly selected groups of migrants can commit crimes at a higher level (Cuban jailbirds), but this is not true broadly speaking. Historically, the original immigrants (1st generation) are always slow to integrated. Germans that came to the US during the early days were famous for not learning English. Also people fail to understand that learning a new language as an adult is much harder, compared to learning a language as a child.

[@Der_Thrombozyt]

Yeah.. he is drawing the data from the legal migrants making a case for all migrants.

[@mycatspethooman5590]

In the UK figures just out say that migrants are a net cost £150k to the taxpayer

[@ForgottenMan2009]

Well, a quick look at the £8m/day to keep our , er... Boat people under a roof and fed is about 50p/day for each employed person alone.... A real 'difficult choice' our 'Dear Leader' could but wont make is to export them from wence thay came and drop the 'black hole' size by about 1/4.

[@andylane247]

​@ForgottenMan2009 Blame the idiot tories. They were not processing them on purpose. Also the idiots that voted for brexit helped cause this...

[@Domesticated_Ape]

Source? Every study I’ve seen says they’re a net benefit. I think the cut off is when they earn less than £30k then they’re a net cost. The average is higher than that.

[@DomTVdotTV]

@@Domesticated_Ape I'm not so sure mycatspethooman5590 is the type to use sources 😅

[@kevinsutube1p528]

That and it’s a small place. Never any talk about the population size just growing too large. Every land has a limited amount of resources. Luckily they have lots of water there with the constant raining, here in California we super short on water. And about half the immigrants in the US come here. We can’t sustain this continually growing population

[@1stLtDavis]

More labor depresses the value of labor. If you dismiss it due to the labor not threatening your job.. yet.. understand that you're just selfish. You probably won't understand future election outcomes.

[@KevinLyda]

More people means more labour is needed. More housing, more agriculture, more lots of things. And remember, he's saying in the specific case where the population is ageing. So it's not "more labour" in total. It's replacement labour.

[@raquetdude]

Far left is gonna do really really well after these anti foreign worker laws / changes.

[@rickm6076]

Then why is the middle class shrinking due to access or labor? Yeah, they also need housing. Who's going to build that? And what's that gonna do the price of your house?

[@bp8220]

Lump of labor fallacy that has been proven false time and again. More food, housing, services, and ultimately Capital is created thus creating more economic activity and jobs.

[@1stLtDavis]

Right, supply and demand doesn't apply to labor, yet who gets the labor is the object of every trade deal ever done. Lol. The US middle class is smaller today than it was 30 years ago ago, and it was smaller than 94 than it was in 74.

[@williammcguigan7469]

Got Canada right this time, mostly. A problem has turned up in Canada though. Housing costs. Since we import ready to work educated people they need housing. 1/2 million a year. Babies don't need housing for 20 years. This is one of the drivers of high housing costs.

[@HaonProductions]

Canada's productivity is in absolute crisis to the point where I brought it up to a relatively senior apparatchik at the Bank of Canada and he encouraged me to apply for a job with them if I'd done any work on the topic I could tout. We're not bringing in skilled workers let alone CEO-caliber, to the point where the federal government is trying to recruit somebody as dumb as me 😂

[@wisenber]

Why do these people never make the distinction between targeted immigration and asylum seeking economic migrants? Re crime statistics, we're not breaking out recent asylum seeking economic migrants from a Russian physicist here since the 90s or Indian doctor here for 20 years. Re older relatives, the US used to require that sponsoring immediate family agree to be responsible for any costs incurred and show an ability to fund those costs. They didn't qualify for any government assistance. From a purely math perspective, what impact does adding several million people above the statutory limit have on a country with a housing affordability crisis?

[@adairjanney7109]

there is no difference

[@alanshepherd4304]

Good point!!🙄🇬🇧

[@wisenber]

@@adairjanney7109 Did you have a source for that?

[@Kevinbrian1]

The rising

[@TilSchweiger-i3f]

Financial consultants can help by recommending investments that outpace inflation, such as real estate or certain stocks. A client of mine followed this strategy and saw their savings grow by 15_% in just two years, effectively countering inflation.

[@unojayc]

Migration equals more health care centres, more teachers, more schools, multi cultureism that being they are not of the same culture and cohesiveness as the original inhabitants. In the UK we have whole communities living parallel lives to the Brits. Also the lack of housing to meet demands driving up house prices.

[@t4404]

British people gave so much to the world, but no good deed goes unpunished.

[@nephilimninjaofnibiru2907]

She swallowed the spider to catch the fly. I guess she'll....

[@vhdlx]

britain sided with communists in south africa. this is karma

[@AlexKaehler-qc8kd]

Immigration is an economic cost [to you] if a bunch of immigrants with similar credentials and skills as you become available. Outsourcing is for tradable sector jobs while immigration depresses the value of labor for non-tradable sector jobs. This is true of an influx of Guatemalan roofers or Indian and Chinese engineers. I've seen both firsthand.

[@rockscaler99]

A cost to the individual in those fields but the society benefits from the competition by becoming more economically dynamic then add their consumption that is the fuel of the stage of economy we are in...

[@rickm6076]

Suppressing labor value isn't a benefit to society.

[@unelectedleader6494]

Depressing labor through immigration and outsourcing is why the US middle clsss is smaller today than it was in the 70s. That's not winning.

[@AlexKaehler-qc8kd]

The first culprit were the Boomers. There were too many, and more of the females worked outside the home. Labor started feeling the pinch right on time in the 70s and especially 80s. Reagan's mass amnesty IRCA in '86 and Clinton's outsourcing deals NAFTA and China MFN then PNTR

[@rockscaler99]

@@rickm6076 competition isn't suppressing labor, labor needs to organize and manage themselves while competition between companies forces better products and prices to the consumers

[@elliottstevens8564]

Peter admits there are costs of mass immigration....?!?? Wow! That's a big step for you guy!! Way to go!!

[@elliottstevens8564]

Just finished the video. Nevermind.

[@elliottstevens8564]

@@EJH783 your mama

[@shaunfogarty5744]

Peter Zeihan just opened a YT video in 2024 on planet earth with this premise: "People rarely talk about the downside of immigration". That's willfully stupid or a bad joke. Dude....

[@ENoob]

the crime point doesn't seem to translate across the Atlantic

[@christopholivier]

yeah the data speaks like the opposite language

[@MikeJones-mf2fw]

There's a reason that it's like that, and it correlates to covid data. AKA North America data is corrupted.

[@NA-rj9lk]

He is certainly omitting the danish numbers for some reason, they are pretty specific in their reporting

[@Bayard1503]

Of course it does, with small exceptions migrants have much lower crime rates in the US

[@gups4963]

He's not counting lllegal migrants

[@Andy_Pandy2000]

In 1968, Enoch Powell, a British politician,warned of the dangers of immigration in his “Rivers of Blood” speech. The UK, particularly London, is now reaping the results of an open immigration policy. Knife crime is rampant in London. Among other social problems such as housing.

[@andrewedris2800]

Better knives than guns crime

[@VTh-f5x]

Can't say the english didn't have it coming.

[@chrisjackson1215]

Correct me if i'm wrong here, but the immigrant based crime is mostly based on the second-generation (for legal migrants) which (last I checked) commits far greater amounts of crime than other people who were born here. (So the kids who come with their parents or are born to immigrant parents are the ones doing all the crime at a much higher rate, it was something like 2.3X the native population last I checked). So saying that immigrants don't bring crime wouldn't be accurate.

[@olivesama]

@@chrisjackson1215 From the University of Alberta: *_"Second-generation immigrants typically have higher crime rates than first-generation immigrants. In the US context, however, most second-generation immigrants continue to enjoy lower crime rates than the native-born population. In stark contrast, research findings in European countries indicate that some second-generation immigrant groups have crime rates that drastically exceed those of the native-born population."_*

[@chrisjackson1215]

@@olivesama Thanks, I didn't think anyone would actually correct me, but it's always good to be updated. 🤣

[@HairyPixels]

​@@olivesama That's all meaningless unless you look at race. What happens after the 3rd generation? They eventually become native and skew the stats right? What you need to do is compare European immigrants to African, Asian etc... to see who are the best immigrants.

[@olivesama]

@@HairyPixels I don't at all have reason to believe that the fact is meaningless without race. The empirical evidence applies to everyone.

[@HairyPixels]

@@olivesama there are huge disparities between race. Not all immigrants are the same.

[@kden9772]

I’m tired of being gaslit about this. If it was a net benefit, our GDP per capita would be going up not down

[@Domesticated_Ape]

UK GDP per capita has been pretty much flat since the great recession. It has had maybe an extremely slight increase. Definitely not going down as a long term trend.

[@kden9772]

@@Domesticated_ApeYou are correct that GDP per capita has not gone down nominally however, if your GDP per capita has stagnated that means quality of life is effectively getting worse. If I am making as much as 10 years ago when everyday items are more expensive, government services are worse in quality, and housing has become unobtainable, how am I better off? It wasn't decline in GDP that led the Soviet Union to collapse it was stagnation in relation to its competitors.

[@schweizer93]

this is true!

[@lombardo141]

Your GDP is going down because your government stopped investing in the country when you let the Tories run rampant cutting everything. If you are in the us GDP has been going up so I don’t understand why you think you are being gas lit. Immigrants am guessing you mean illegals don’t compete for the same jobs nationals do in America.

[@RC-cy7pd]

Citing past implications doesn’t really count if we’re getting a different quality of migrants

[@RVS089]

People rarely talk about the downside... really Peter?

[@Chris-es3wf]

The left has made immigration a moral issue, so it's become faux pas to say that ypu don't like illegal immigration. Peter is Uber liberal but even he is willing to admit it's become a problem.

[@eurospec]

The news HE watches doesn't talk about the downside

[@carmenmccauley585]

In Canada you better not even MENTION it!

[@luisdotespinal]

They don’t talk about it objectively. Just look at Springfield.

[@evanburrows1697]

They don't discuss it much in the ivory towers Peter hangs out in.

[@Meandbroafter2]

1970 H1B, O type immigration: Engineering, Doctor🌞 2024 haphazard immigration: farm labour, asylum scammer🌑

[@JohnThomas-i4x]

You forgot fake student

[@tomhite3510]

Peter is getting cause and effect reversed. Here is the correct sequence: baby boomers hit the labor market (1970s) -> mass immigration starts (1980s) -> housing costs skyrocket (1960s to 2000s) -> standard of living flatlines (1973-2024) -> young couples can't buy houses -> bad housing begets low birthrates (1980s - 2020s) -> more immigration causes houses to cost more (1980s to 2024) -> immigration CAUSES native populations to stop having children. The house I grew up in cost 1 year's salary in 1969. It cost 4 years salary in 2005.

[@joefish4466]

Apparently forgot that there was a pandemic recently. COVID f*ed up the housing market. Made worse by increase in corporate ownership of housing, not immigrants. More scapegoating the new comers.

[@dnl043]

You're example is also a one dimensional way of looking at cause and effect. I can come up with a few examples like this as well: ...Work makes you tired > People have less intercourse when they are tired Work CAUSES people to have less children... In practice, it's a system of multiple causes and effects.

[@dnl043]

Plus you miss a few of the more important drivers for rising housing costs: Urbanization, Speculation by investors, Rising construction costs, Low interest rates

[@garyshan7239]

yeah I think your scenario is more you pushing your anti-immigrant agenda. Migrants from South of the border arent competing for the same house/neighborhood as the young white family number one. The birth rate was already dropping before the 80s. And its more driven by a lower marriage dynamic than immigrant completion for housing. And people will have kids if they are living on the streets or in their cars. SO to claim the birth rate is ridiculous.

[@MisterWaldo]

OK boomer

[@carypeaden4147]

One important distinction between types of immigrants is legal vs illegal. My daughter in-law is a legal immigrant from Asia that went to college here, got a masters degree, got a job with a green card, and then went through the required processes to became a US Citizen. Those processes did a lot to insure she understood our country, and integrated well into it (and we love her very much and are very glad she is here with us). She is probably typical of legal immigrants. I doubt that typical illegal immigrants slipping across the border are going to bring the same positive benefits to our country that typical legal immigrants bring. My guess is that Elon Musk did not slip across the border illegally. There is a big difference between legal and illegal immigration.

[@doujinflip]

There's also a big difference in what used to be considered "legal", especially in the past few decades. Most Americans descend from those who merely survived a boat ride across the Atlantic, either came from Europe or Africa (as a slave), and weren't hacking up a lung on arrival; hardly any checks on criminal history or even identity, instead were even offered an opportunity for a legal change of name. Fast forward to the end of the Cold War -- along with empathy for those trying to escape Communist movements -- where the ever-tightening restrictions for a "legal" immigration means that even my own parents -- who both made their own way in before the Soviet collapse and are now retired American public servants -- would find it enormously difficult to get their green cards under the current policies, and probably ending up either stuck at home or someplace that doesn't assimilate new faces nearly as readily.

[@vhdlx]

when it comes to the sheer number of people coming, legal vs illegal makes no difference. Almost half of births in some european countries are to people with non-native background. in 1-2 generations, a european country can be 50% or less of its own native pop.

[@gram8821]

What most Americans don’t want to admit is that our foreign and domestic policies have a tendency to create havoc in other parts of the world. Which leads to people in other countries affected by those policies fleeing said countries. So we might want to look in the mirror first.

[@ak-od7mf]

Would it make a difference if 5 million Haitians came here legally or illegally? Theyd still behave and think the same way so it doesnt matter at all.

[@gram8821]

@@ak-od7mf What point are you trying to make?

[@gilfiazon2575]

Imagine believing immigrants commit less crime than the locals

[@crosslink1493]

If you take out cross-border gang members, its pretty much been verified through years of data gathering that immigrants into the USA, whether legal or illegal, do commit less crime than locals. I can't vouch for other countries (such as any in Europe), but its the data published here in the USA. There are a few variations in the USA, like illegal-immigrant-friendly California won't allow the local police to turn over illegal immigrants they pick up for minor civil or criminal infractions to the Federal immigration officials for deportation processing.

[@normandy3050]

I think this is where they lump legal immigrants with illegal. I find some of his arguments disingenuous.

[@thievingpanda]

​@@crosslink1493 Why would you deduct cross border gang members?? That is fudging the stats.

[@Synth_enjoyer]

Not really sure if I can trust statistics fromnrhe US government, or any western government for that matter. ​@crosslink1493

[@BreadPilled-2007]

@@gilfiazon2575 they do?

[@gymboy39]

hes talking utter BS about crime. tghe numbers are in from countries like germany and denmark of the few places who release these numbers and the immigrants / people born abroad do a lot more crime then the natives espicially voilent crime.

[@mattheww.6232]

It's class, not left or right. He's a multi-millionaire that lives in a multi-million dollar house in a multi-million dollar mountain community and make his living being hired talk to other multi-millionaires and anyone willing to buy his books. The migrants he meets are doctors, nurses, lawyers and academics not a band of gangsters living off welfare checks with a human and drug trafficking side hustle.

[@vaakdemandante8772]

he was dodging the "crime issue" by talking about Canada's crime rates - at least that is how I understood his claim. Of course in general, it's obviously true that immigrants from poorer countries that are themself more violent, cause measurable increase in violent crimes in the countries they immigrate to.

[@goobertoober95]

That's how they portray it. "Crime" is primarily done by the native population, true! But "violent crime" is disproportionately higher in the non-native population. They can report that crime doesn't go up because they include all crime. Only violent crime goes up, they leave that part out

[@Tuffeman]

All countries release these numbers. Not only “a few”

[@zi326]

The problem with making it work even economically is that the more you bring in the further does the birth rate drop so you would have to keep doing it forever, and that means that your country has to be richer and more lucrative to live in than others also forever. Which is impossible and when it's not a place people want to go to anymore the whole system will collapse there.

[@michaelbizon444]

Even the 2nd & 3rd generations of immigrants have the same low fertility that brought them in the 1st place. Mass replacement levels of immigration is not a fix and barely a band-aid.

[@akamatt67]

Sorry Peter I call shenanigans on just about everything you said in this video.

[@sluggo206]

That sounds like a baseless abstraction unless you say what specifically you disagree with. And "shenanigans" connotes children playing practical jokes or companies taking advantage of their customers. It's hard to see how Peter could or would want to do that. Perhaps the word you're looking for is "inaccurate". But then, what's inaccurate?

[@michaelbizon444]

^shenanigans is about the entirety of this vid. shenanigans = gaslighting

[@akamatt67]

@@michaelbizon444 You saved me an essay.

[@sluggo206]

@@michaelbizon444 Gaslighting who about what? And that's not what shenanigan means.

[@TheCanadianInsight]

Peter, I don’t understand why you do what you do. Every weekday I along with many others come home to the wealth of knowledge you selfishly provide. Thank you.

[@janebishop5885]

Before any grand conclusions can be made about economic impacts of immigration, it's necessary to capture all the inputs to make any kind of assessment of those impacts. First, how do you measure skyrocketing prices of homes that are making paupers of your own people when, overnight, you have demand for thousands of homes? That huge, inflated cost further discourages young people from having kids and thereby continues to adversely affect demographics!!! And on and on the societal impacts mount. So, what i can truthfully say is that all and i mean all of my liberal and conservative friends want immigration ended...not just controlled, in order to absorb what we have now and i agree. ...a guy in his fifties at the hardware store used a common analogy about being sold a bill of goods when he said "I'm tired of seein' em try to put lipstick on a pig".

[@jeremyholbrook2094]

My question is based in American (politics). Why is it that America is opening its doors to unskilled labor. Shouldn't this be better tuned towards H1b. The cost of labor is low. The cost of tech is insanely high. Where is the balance?

[@TheMassalorian]

Cloward-Piven Strategy

[@jeremyholbrook2094]

Fair enough!!

[@jeremyholbrook2094]

For the record, I hate bias confirmation. Leaves nothing to argue 😂

[@crosslink1493]

I don't think its so much 'opening its doors to illegal unskilled labor' so much as it is no real penalty for a business owner when they hire illegal laborers to do the work, either through false verification or no verification of work eligibility status. And with illegal labor there is also informal networks; an illegal laborer who finds out his employer needs more help can contact his relative in another country, if that relative can make it into the USA he has a job. With regard to the legal immigration process (by H1B and other immigration statuses), its a 'legal' judicial-driven process that's tough, extensive, time-consuming process to go through, and the process evolves a little year-to-year depending on the whims of Washington DC. My parents went though it in the early 1960s and (from the documents they collected) it was a very extensive and time-consuming process not much different from stories I've heard from more recent immigrants.

[@shawnjavery]

That's where there's demand and a lack of supply for it. There's honestly too many people trained for high skill work as it is right now.

[@hkuiper100]

I assume you are talking about legal migrants. Not illegal immigrants. In Australia we had a brave Prime Minister who stopped illegal immigration in 2015. They were coming by boats with people smugglers from Indonesia. We still have a lot migrants, coming legally, and vetted by the government. It's all good now.

[@AndrewinAus]

You might possible mean from 2013 if you are talking about Abbott, not sure I would describe 'the Mad Monk' as brave though. Things went on even before that with John Howard and the whole 'children overboard' as a justification for future government actions. As far as all good now, I would debate that as immigration has been used for years now to try and prop up the economy and the associated infrastructure building has been ignored to a fairly significant degree.

[@Minchya]

Unfortunately they fly in on a tourist or study visa then claim asylum knowing that they have no chance but because so many are doing it the system is backlogged for years and then they can delay their deportation by years more by going through the appeals process . The whole time they have work rights and access to Medicare and Centrelink at our expense, they all seem to know the system better than we do !!!

[@jimgraham6722]

​@@AndrewinAusI think the immigration program has by and large been very successful. I say this as an anglo Australian whose ancestors arrived in the 1840s. My extended family now has folk from United States, Africa, Egypt, Italy, South America and China. I am also well acquainted with Indian, Vietnamese and Lebanese as local business people, friends and neighbours. They are a good bunch of people. It works well. As for infrastructure, I was born in Sydney but have lived in regional Australia for the last fifty years. Something has happened in Sydney, it is unrecognisable to me. Road, rail and metro tunnels criss cross the city like a rabbit warren. You spend half your day underground.

[@AndrewinAus]

@@jimgraham6722 Oh I don't question immigration at all and how it has worked for Australia and remarkably so. On paper one of the richest places on Earth and not just monetarily but culturally I think. My own family origins in Australia from England date back to about the 1860's and we have added to the family from places like Japan. New Zealand, Korea, Canada, Venezuala even. I live in the regions myself (northern NSW to be more exact) periodically heading to the city, both are unrecognisable to 30 years ago for sure. I suppose that is just progress, it feels strange at times though. Immigration has become a political football unfortunately in the last 20 years and a cover for governments failure in other areas whether that be infrastructure or even industry policy. We don't build and manufacture things much anymore it seems. We either dig dirt, grow crops or it is a service industry based economy. That is not the fault of the people coming to Australia at all a consequence of policy perhaps.

[@evanburrows1697]

@@jimgraham6722 _"As for infrastructure, I was born in Sydney but have lived in regional Australia for the last fifty years"_ So you praise immigration while being protected from its effects by living regionally? And the places that are affected, like Sydney, you openly acknowldge as "unrecognisable", and yet you praise the immigration that caused this? What a confused position.

[@khenchanagoudachulaki56]

I'm favoured, $27K every week! I can now give back to the locals in my community and also support God's work and the church. God bless Sonia bless America.

[@MansurLado]

Please how

[@MansurLado]

I am tired of working per time jobs

[@BabanvisvnathKoli1947]

Actually I am from Canada but I still need a financial couch as well

[@BabanvisvnathKoli1947]

🙏

[@khenchanagoudachulaki56]

She's active on What's Apk

[@peterdguru]

The unique geographic location of Canada really helps with the quality of our migrants. You need to be able to purchase an air ticket to get here. Precious few of the overland migrants on the USA southern border ever make a dash north; why would they? In Europe they also have overland migrants and boat people. Not too many boat people make it to Canada LOL. The "air ticket" criteria virtually guarantees you get a superior level of migration.

[@bertrandrussell894]

id like to hear this analysis for the UK with regard to migrants paying more in than they take out. This is not the case in the UK as far as i can tell. They take considerably more than they contribute. Id like to hear Peter address this for the UK. Crime too.

[@TomTomicMic]

Uncontrolled Mass Immigration in the UK has not increased wealth and depleted it, including all infrastructure and services, the rate of crime by migrants is 7 to 8 times that of the indigenous population!?!

[@Domesticated_Ape]

Every study I’ve seen on the UK concluded that immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take. Many of those studies were commissioned by the previous conservative government.

[@otibed358]

Tokyo 2050- imagine it with 100,000 new immigrants per year for 25 years (mostly from SE Asia) along with essentially ALL Japanese residents there who are currently age 65 or over gone by then. Tokyo will be a tremendously different place in 2050.

[@tomh2121]

Sounds like the best place for food

[@BobTheTrueCactus]

Even if they have no immigrants, it will be a very different place.

[@HKim0072]

Korea is changing faster than Japan and has a higher base at 5%. Japan is only 2.5% foreigners now. Japan will never change that much / change slower because...it's extremely hard language to learn how to read and write. People can learn Korea's alphabet in a day. I barely learned 500 kanji when I took Japanese for 1 year in college.

[@joefish4466]

Sounds like Tokyo will be less racist. FYI, Koreans hate the Japanese, because the Japanese are super racist. Also because of all the war crimes from WW2 and before.

[@ranfak]

It’s not just from SEA but they are importing many Indian which is even worst. Japan is doomed

[@cliffarroyo9554]

One problem is that not everyone who moves to another country is an immigrant... a lot of those arriving in western Europe are resource seekers (drawn by generous social benefit programs).

[@sam.p12345]

I think you’re confusing the terms ‘refugee’ and ‘immigrant’? Surely anyone who immigrates is an immigrant, even if not a refugee?

[@willemvanriet7160]

Peter always delivers the insight! At depths we haven’t heard anyone else talk about yet

[@waynecribbs786]

Also, just discovered your channel after hearing about your astute observations on current events. Am a new subscriber Sir. Really enjoying your content and information you give us as well as making us think.

[@TroyHardingLit]

The gap between the ideal and reality is actually called morality. Ethics would then lead from morality, and politics from ethics.

[@rokess5053]

"People rarely talk about crime and social identity"....Really? Are you sure about that?

[@TheHighborn]

Id rather want an example of when it did work outside of the USA, ever.

[@ivancho5854]

Antarctica! 😂

[@AngelEconomics]

Immigration seems to go well for Israel

[@arbywabd8782]

switzerland had lots of immigration from italy / portugal / france over time. but yeah not necessarily generalizable

[@VioIetShift]

Didn't he cite Canada, Australia, and New Zealand as other examples of where the same dynamic that the US has is the norm?

[@HKim0072]

Anything works if it's in a moderate manner. EVERYTHING starts breaking down if a system gets overloaded.

[@twojstary4820]

Hi Peter. Germany experienced a significant wave of migration immediately after World War II, particularly from the so-called Volksdeutsche-ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe. Between 1944 and 1950, about 12 million Volksdeutsche were resettled in Germany. Although these migrants were ethnically German, many were culturally distinct from the native Germans in the areas they moved to, which led to significant social frictions. For example, many Russian Germans did not even speak the German language. The assimilation of the Volksdeutsche was later used as a benchmark for Germany’s immigration policy for decades to come.

[@robertmitchell2178]

Why is economic growth based on immigration the only answer to the future? It seems this whole premise is based on some 19th century industrial benchmark.

[@foxtrotunit1269]

In EU: If you count in the cost of the increased crime (vandalism repair, theft, destruction of property, some car accidents) - cost of healthcare from crime related injuries (from victims, cops, even the perps) - cost of police going up (more danger = bigger paycheck, + more officers must be hired so = more paychecks) and the fact most immigrants are brought in to fill *low skill* (lower paycheck) jobs, that means whatever you get from them in taxes is very little, (of ones that even do any work!) ... ... it's not worth it. (unless you have a culture that values work ethic and like the West, such as Vietnamese or Japanese. Those are ok.)

[@_winston_smith_]

Isn’t the alternative population collapse? That would be far worse.

[@Rob_F8F]

@foxtrotunit1269 It seems it has been the nativists that have been committing the crime and is low-skilled. Maybe they are no worth it.

[@kynikostashasch2218]

@@_winston_smith_ No, migration does not solve demographic problems, it makes the demographic problems for the native population worse by increasing house prices and decreasing wages, making it less affordable to have a family in the first place and within 2 or 3 generations the same demographic issues will hit the new migrant communities too; the solution is policies designed to encourage people to reproduce, not to import new people endlessly.

[@foxtrotunit1269]

@@_winston_smith_ If bad migrants add minimal value (which is my point) then it doesn't help prevent collapse (and their birthrate goes down to the same level since they now live in the same environment causing the birthrate decrease) (notice I sad bad migrants, implying there is also good immigration, like from Asia that could help slightly)

[@tryagainnoob101]

@@kynikostashasch2218 Finally! Thank you! If you have a hole and all the water you put into it goes away after a few days, you need to make a better hole, not keep pouring water into it. Your are just wasting water.

[@sadd8766]

Canada is going through something similar to Britan now

[@Lucas-hb1uq]

What’s that? Can you be specific?

[@maxwoodbridge1264]

We're letting in 1.5 million a year, mostly low skilled punjabi males. Housing is 10x income, rent is insane, youth unemployment high, gdp per capita in the toilet

[@Hfjsjsgjddbidhdjeu]

Your government hates you

[@Lucas-hb1uq]

@@maxwoodbridge1264 You almost had the point but lost it. You blame immigration for high rents, not the landlords. You blame high housing cost on immigrants and not the developers who intentionally keep supply low to manipulate costs. You blame youth unemployment on low skilled immigrants? And now you say GDP per capita is in the toilet? What country are you in?

[@larrymarrs4283]

I do not believe his crime statements - the way it is... "more immigrants equals more crime period!"

[@fndthousing]

Source? Or is that just how you feel?

[@larrymarrs4283]

Not handy , but I remember distinctly reading crime stats were high during high levels of immigration 1890 - 1930. Crime is high in the last few years during Biden admin when immigration high!

[@lombardo141]

I am an immigrant, we don’t commit crimes because we have so much to lose. I came to America 25 years ago along with my brother. He is now a doctor that owns his own practice and I am an engineer. The rest of the people I know that are immigrants not one has the thought of committing a crime. We know where we came from and we appreciate that you all opened your country for us. 🙏.

[@larrymarrs4283]

@@lombardo141 Thanks for your contribution to making USA a better place - I have met great immigrants from working in HI Tech for 30 years - also I have met very arrogant anti Anglo (racists against people of North-Western European decent ) jerk - offs from other countries. I have personally been lied to and attempts to cheat me out of money by first and 2nd generation anti-Americans trying to take advantage of people who they think are privileged yet the immigrants are the privileged ones. Maybe the percentage is small but the BAD immigrants have ruined it for the rest. Takes me a long time to trust having be burned bad and communication takes so much energy and effort.

[@johnaduvall3861]

Peter, here is my BIG question for you: How do keep up with your research when you spend so much time hiking in the wilderness??? Do you constantly listen to audio feeds? How do you get connected in low bandwidth regions? Inquiring minds want to know.

[@thirty3fpv]

Why is ‘Native Canadian” a ‘charged term’. If you were born in Canada as a Canadian citizen, then you’re a native Canadian.

[@BobBob-cn1yy]

# England is full # Ireland is full.

[@jameswalker366]

UAE model is best. Locals are essentially given privileges, which reduces resentment of mass immigration. Those coming in are managed very tightly and deported if they misbehave.

[@Andy-bk3ec]

It's not. It doesn't create a good enough incentive for highly skilled immigrants to come to the UAE, they would prefer a country where they can become citizens. While they might come for temporary high-paying jobs, eventually they gonna leave somewhere, thus UAE is missing the opportunity to create a long-standing ecosystem that boosts long-term innovations.

[@mikathegreat6838]

it’s shocking how little Peter knows about Canadian immigration

[@erwinfreund8625]

Should not be a surprise as he spends more time hiking than studying.

[@dabluntz19]

Immigration in Canada while not popular, there’s no denying in an economic stand point it’s working. Statistics Canada just revised the economic growth from the last 3 years and economic growth is a lot higher than initially thought. We’re bursting at the seams with regards to healthcare and housing but those should stabilize with time. Also wage growth is outpacing inflation by 3 fold now.

[@Holasir385]

With the migrant crime rate being low, Peter is referring to North America, not Europe

[@Detvanliga]

Hello Peter, from Sweden! Feminism and immigration sucks big time. The costs cannot even be calculated... .

[@Wolfloid]

Large scale German immigration started in the late 1950s - 1960s - Spanish, Italian, Greek and Turkish labour ‘Gastarbeiter ‘(guest workers) who had the audacity to stay, ‘Wirtschaftswunder’ -the famed economic miracle - impossible without foreign labour and American money. The Bosnian, Russo-German, Serbian and Croat immigrants were much later.

[@GaryUpshaw-n7d]

Peter is living the old paradigm same as politicians. The new paradigm is lower population levels along with greater technological innovation to give the smaller population a higher standard of living, reduced environmental degradation and begin to restore the environment, reducing pollution and restore clean and safe environment, manage our dwindling non-renewable resources. The old paradigm: vast areas of farmland and greenbelts cut up for housing, roads and strip malls, increased energy and resource consumption invariably leading to world resource wars, deadly pollution, environmental degradation, greater risk of pandemics. It’s not a slam dunk Peter, the think outside the box if the outdated paradigm of economic growth and begin a new paradigm more aligned to new technologies of AI, robots where people are not needed. Who remains will live a fuller life in a clean and safe world.

[@seanlander9321]

Cheers.

[@bobsontheepic42]

More people doesn't mean better economics. If you compare coutries like Brazil and Sweden. Sweden is doing way better economically despite having a lot smaller population.

[@michaeldowson6988]

Immigrant children are at the top of the class in Canadian schools. They try harder and excel, and then enter the workforce. Canada was originally populated this way. When we wanted people for the Prairies, we advertised across Northern Europe for immigrants to homestead. So that region ended up largely Ukrainian, Russian & Polish-Canadian. An eruption in the 1870s in Iceland saw many of them move to the region just west of the Great Lakes in the US & Canada. There's hardly a town in the US & Canada that doesn't have Italian and/or Greek restaurants. How did that happen?

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

4:12 Honestly, I’m shocked that Peter brought up the cultural problems of immigration

[@karlchristoffer1275]

Culture is part of life, what so ever..

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

@@karlchristoffer1275 very insightful

[@BG-nl3hy]

No joke.... this comment should have way more likes

[@bruceoldemeyer545]

Crime is lower from legal immigrants. Nice dodge.

[@michaelbizon444]

Intellectual dishonesty is the name of his game.

[@jean-marcfiliatrault266]

Peter, all you mentioned is pretty much true. But, there are many other issues to bring up: Not enough housing for the newcomers, leading to huge rent increases for everyone, including the “Native Canadians”. Lack of teachers for all the newcomers” children. Not enough daycare places for them as well. Maxed out hospital beds… Huge emergency room backlogs. Huge increases in well fare rolls. Finally, as the chief economist of the National Bank of Canada termed: “Canada is now in a population death trap”. For the first time in its history, Canada’s GDP per capita, due to the current massive and ongoing inflow of depend immigrants, has gone down. We are bringing way too many immigrants and the wrong ones. However, PM Tru’dope is a demagogue when it comes to migrants… He will certainly get his butt handed to him within the next year…

[@N8teyrve]

Love the way the people who are anti-immigration are the same who want to keep University fees, high housing prices and investing in property and then wonder why the younger generation aren’t having kids.

[@Derek032789]

Yeah it’s too expensive to have kids in my opinion.

[@davidwestwater2219]

As someone who used to really, really respect Peter for a while, I warn everyone watching this that he's kind of a fast and loose person with his research.

[@michaelbizon444]

Intellectual dishonesty is the name of his game.

[@efs83dws]

Peter does ignore facts when they disagree with his political opinions. Illegal immigration in the US is a major component of crime. There are Mexican and Venezuelan criminal gangs openly operating in Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and California. Peter is okay with that.

[@gilfiazon2575]

This is what it sounds like when you try to make immigration sound balanced by ignoring most of the negatives.

[@TarlanT]

First large wave of immigration to Germany was Turks in 1960s, then Russian Germans in 1990s.

[@cniht]

Few things we should likely point out. 1) This was aiming at Canadian and then jumping to German situations. It was not discussing the US situation. 2) The positive statistics on immigration return, look at the 'ideal immigrant' more often than not and just suddenly ignore the case of bringing over extended family which drops that down to zero if not a net negative. I would also argue that the last 10-15 years of migrants that Germany has received in particular have not been the 'best and brightest'. 3) Not mentioned: In all western countries, the primary reason that native populations aren't reproducing is because of economics. It simply is really expensive to have kids and raise a family. That's not going to be any different for immigrants, which means they either join the welfare rolls or they also don't have kids. And usually within a generation sure enough their birth rates are in line with the native population. Immigration is being looked at as a cure all but it's really just papering over the problem. The society is too darn expensive, or no longer conducive to have and raise a family. Fixt that, and you won't have to waste effort putting band-aids on shotgun wounds.

[@hard2getitrightagain314]

Even assuming the best, an important issue just cannot be fully addressed in less than 7 minutes. Imagine that!

[@michaelgunn9883]

How come 10 years ago everyone was saying there is a population crisis; but now that it is naturally fixing itself, everyone is afraid of demographic decline? I think you are missing a lot of the picture here, Peter. And as for the statistics that you reference, I'm very confident that the governments can manipulate those to tell whatever story they want. But the reality is that Canada's immigration policy is unsustainable and is leading to a lot of economic problems that the government has swept under the rug for 2 decades. There are housing bubbles, and we are destroying some of our best farmland to put up condos and shopping centres. There are more automobiles burning gasoline. That doesn't align with the values that Canada raised Millennials to believe in back in the 1990s.

[@ak-od7mf]

Indeed and isnt it kind of weird that the environmentalists or 'green parties' arent staunchly opposed to immigration? Adding more people to Canada and other western countries surely cant be good for the so-called 'climate' right?

[@TurboAutist-sg7lo]

He is literally saying that if you use logic. Europe wont be Europe, Europe will be the middle east.

[@redMaple_QC]

Family reunification is a big issue here. No matter how selective a country is in choosing its young professional immigrant, when they bring their whole family it is worse.

[@DanielBlak]

I mean immigration helps businesses, hurts native employees. But it also very clearly depends on A) what type of migration (refugees, illegal migrants, legal immigrants), B) what their cultural background is (obviously it's a lot easier to integrate Ukrainians than Syrians into a Western society)...

[@aaronjenkins2135]

As a blue collar in the the cell tower industry i can absolutely tell you that the flood of Mexican and Latin American immigrants entering the cell tower service and tower construction industry Has drastically lowered wages. What used to be a job that a green hand 18 year old could enter around 25-28$ and hour wage is now 18-20$ the influx of labor is the main reason. Too many people with too few jobs. The business owners don’t mind tho because they are cutting their labor costs.

[@michaelh4227]

Immigration is ironically one of the few issues where the right obsesses over the social aspect while the left obsesses over economic one.

[@fortyninehike]

Not hard to figure out when you look at voting averages