Immortal STUNNED by absurd Roosters war chest: Immortal Behaviour - EP05 | NRL on Nine

Andrew Johns discusses the massive war chest left in the wake of multiple top players leaving the Roosters. Alongside host Danika Mason, the Immortal shares his opinion on James Fisher-Harris leaving the Panthers early for the Warriors, what this means for the three-time premiers and how Joseph Manu will fair in the Japanese Rugby Union. Are the Warriors the new go to club for star players? Plus Joey starts to think through the many tough decisions this years Origin coaches are going to have to make.
0:00 Immortal Behaviour
0:58 James Fisher-Harris released
2:41 Panthers losses adding up
4:36 How tough is it to play away from home?
6:29 Who will fill the roll of JFH?
8:41 Warriors the new attractive option
10:45 Joey Manu switches codes
13:32 Roosters massive war chest
15:10 Succesfull clubs flying under the radar
18:31 Which positions are a worry for the Blues?
21:51 Dylan Edwards facing stiff competition
23:47 Joeys top picks for Maroons spine
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[@justonefix2416]

Cody Walker just about looks ready for the Super League, surely he is not even in the conversation for Origin

[@maxfish4770]

Watch him in back play, spends more time yelling and carrying on than playing football

[@jondacosta7535]

Panthers gone since end of 2020 (1st of 4 GF appearances) Stephen Crichton Charlie Staines Matt Burton Paul Momirovski Brent Naden Jerome Luai Jack Cogger Spencer Leniu Api Korisau James Fisher-Harris Viliame Kikau Kurt Capewell J’maine Hopgood - Sean O’Sullivan Jaeman Salmon Zac Hosking Jack Hetherington - Depth Roster Played between 20-24: Tyrone May Billy Burns Thomas Jenkins Eddie Blacker Robert Jennings Kurt Falls Chris Smith - Signed short term: James Tamou Zane Tetevano Tevita Pengai Jr - Panthers Juniors From SG/JF/NSW Cup: Isaiya Katoa Mason Teague Hohepa Puru Niwhai Puru - Possibly leaving end of 24: Sunia Turuva? Luke Garner?

[@hoggers7572]

Roosters when asked how much is Manu paid per season..$400000 when he leaves it frees up one million in cap space

[@Luke-rt9gy]

the nrl must either be complete fools, or beleive the fans are complete fools. its clear as day, and has been happening at roosters for years, "such a great culture at roosters, players take massive unders to stay" player leaves and somehow frees up triple his salary. teams like brisbane and penrith develop legitimate local juniors and for some reason they want to leave to take "unders" at a weaker club like roosters. hmmm makes sense

[@maxfish4770]

That's how the sombrero works

[@jeffchapel79]

Whilst we “feel” for Penrith, thy have won 3 titles in a row.... something has to give. It’s good for the game to spread the elite talent.

[@kinchegayowie6167]

or develop your own and retain them, find better pathways for the elite jnrs

[@AndrewinAus]

So what is the upside for the Panthers they put the money, time and effort into identifying, developing and producing top grade talent to have the likes of Easts, Balmain, Canterbury come knocking. There is absolutely no upside other than getting a year or 2 or 3 before the other clubs realise the talent and start waving huge wads of cash. Develop your own players. The Panthers went through years of being in the basement until they cracked the development code it seems. Other clubs should try that. In Fish's case I have no issue with him going, he has family ties back in NZ that are important and he wants to leave. The Panthers were gracious in not making it difficult.

[@dustinmartin6524]

@@AndrewinAusThe upside is back to back to back premier 😂

[@tarametuariki5120]

​@dustinmartin6524 That's the other teams fault...Penrith deserve it for doing the hard work

[@dustinmartin6524]

@@tarametuariki5120 What are you talking about? The argument is that there’s no reward for youth development, Penrith are one of the most dominant teams of all time. Is that not reward? Or you suggesting Panthers should get to keep all their best players and win the comp for the next 30 years straight?

[@mickconnolly5784]

Webby from Penrith their coach he was the best signing straight up

[@hoggers7572]

One year wonder

[@Br0wnCh3]

10:21 - Danica's laugh heals ALL wounds.

[@kinchegayowie6167]

very refreshing

[@Mothy2014]

When I look at Danika I know there has to be a god

[@kinchegayowie6167]

@@Mothy2014 or a goddess, she is a keeper for sure, fresh as a newly picked peach

[@Mothy2014]

@@kinchegayowie6167 I don't know if it's just me but I'm sure Danika is flirting with Joey

[@kinchegayowie6167]

@@Mothy2014 I heard Joey hand a leg over each fence

[@4seenfamily551]

Steve price warriors biggest signing ever

[@kristoffs373]

Danika is 😍

[@mritsme9901]

@kristoffs373 absolutely. I listen to most of the footy podcasts as I’m doing things, but Immortal Behaviour I insist on watching on KZbin to see Danika’s form. She’s gorgeous.

[@Toomuchmycuz]

Up the Wahs!

[@zaneplatt3533]

I really like Joey, but he is talking absolute nonsense. The Panthers' reward was three premierships. When you win premierships, your players' value goes up, and many leave. It is not unfair. It is just logical.

[@maxfish4770]

Exactly and they get the pick of them and at unders

[@cptkab1am]

Can someone boost the microphone gain on Joey? He's volume is so low compared to Danika's

[@josephpayne4267]

SJ is loving it; has to play on! Top 4 half in game with Hughes DCE and Cleary

[@Chrissmills]

Reynolds?

[@dimitrigeorgopoulos9922]

Out of curiosity I put together a side comprised of players who have left/will leave Penrith from 2022 to 2025. Sort of insane when you realise you could just about field a genuine Nrl standard side out of these losses. 1.Charlie Staines 2.Robert Jennings 3.Stephen Crichton 4.Matt Burton 5.Brent Naden 6.Jerome Luai 7.Sean O’Sullivan 8.James Fisher-Harris 9.Api Koroisau 10.Spencer Leniu 11.Viliame Kikau 12.Curt Capewell 13.Jaeman Salmon 14.Jack Cogger 15.Tyrone May 16.J’maine Hopgood 17.Zac Hosking

[@user-cb5tl5fu3w]

There are 9 panther players left from the 21 who were named for the 2020 GF squad. Joey, Terrell May would have been perfect but he is under the rooster massive sombrero.

[@pumlin1]

Why is the salary cap taken so seriously when everyone knows teams like the roosters obviously have more money than other clubs? I don't get it

[@Luke-rt9gy]

its just good salary cap rorting........... i mean management

[@Simon-says1768]

Because imo they are the best at rorting the system. They have powerful businessmen teaching them how to do it via 3rd party payments, gifts of all sorts etc. Plus, they save money by not developing talent.

[@Luke-rt9gy]

@@Simon-says1768 you can’t save money by not developing talent, you have to pay more to lure that talent away. If you are cheating though half of that money goes on the cap the other half comes off the sale price of the new property you just happen to buy that just happens to belong to the club chairmen.

[@pumlin1]

The nrl are obviously letting them get away with this while stripping teams of premierships for cap cheating. What a farce

[@canwelook]

Same for the Broncos.

[@jettstream2886]

Why is it that almost every time 9 loses the signal it's when the footy is on?

[@shaunbrowne5139]

It is unfortunate Penrith losing so many players, however, that is the nature of the game. Every team over the years that shows promise ultimately ends up in the same position e.g Broncos, Storm, Parra, Titans...ha ha just kidding. Mind you the Titans spend a massive amount on a lemon with legs in Fifita. That guy should be back in the local league. I am a Queenslander, but love listening to the show. Interesting questions from Danika and the best footy brain in Joey.

[@aaronmckechnie4467]

Immortal VIEWER stunned by ridiculously good looking Danika Mason: Appropriate Behaviour - Pilot | NOT on Nine

[@Rip_in_son]

Couldn’t be more happy for the wahs

[@nigelmoka1804]

Penrith needs a cap discount on developing players and how do we feel about nrlw team expansion and players coming from sevens rugby as well as union

[@ziggyhogan7560]

As a manly fan i hate u shaun but joeys right keep playing mate you look fresh happy and you're playing fantastic . Hope your leg heals fast I'll be sure to send u a carton of milk.

[@seanc.mcnally2118]

Geez, Danika's a delight.. Joey's a bogan..

[@hoggers7572]

The Sharks lost their complete premiership team within three years nobody was crying then

[@canwelook]

You mean the premiership team they built up while breaching the salary cap?

[@hoggers7572]

@@canwelook I see what you did there..a very common minor breach that has happened on dozens of occasions and they were fined as per other occasions like other teams with small breaches ..also the Roosters break the cap every year but the NRL let them get away with it

[@canwelook]

@@hoggers7572 lol. My bad apparently. I was probably confusing it with Cronulla's earlier ASADA bannings for performance enhancing drug use, or with the subsequent banning (not long after the 2016 grand final win) of Ben Barba and your CEO for cocaine use/possession.

[@seanmac80]

To be selected for the All Blacks, players need to be contracted to NZR and playing in NZ. Even those who might play for other Super Rugby teams wouldn't be eligible, so Manu has a lot of water to pass under the bridge before getting close to selection (e.g. a season in the national comp or Super rugby next year). He wouldn't get picked until the middle of 2025 at the very earliest; I just don't see it happening.

[@samuelmather2469]

the chemistry of these two is too much for me to endure

[@mikethebreeze]

Talking about compensation for panthers because they took jfh from nz when he was a kid, how bout some compensation for nz who gets raided by every club in the nrl

[@DisFan1996]

He wasn’t in the warriors system?

[@Sizezor]

He wasn't in the system lol. Brain dead.

[@TimTamGaming]

Except JFH wasn’t in the Warriors system, so why would they get compensation?

[@TheAllthegoodstuff]

It's great that the game has so many "once in a lifetime/generation players" 😂

[@stewartdavies929]

No way Penrith would have won 6 in a row. The Roosters would have raided the guts out of them long before now if they didn’t have to look like they could possibly appear to be under a salary cap.

[@JamesWillis-yy5px]

They are still likely to win 8 in a row now.

[@wilfredoUbatuba]

as a QLD fan, please bring Cody in SOO , along Bitchel Moses and Latrell.

[@maxfish4770]

Freddy is gone, no more weird selections or picking them because they are big

[@durangaperera1158]

Thank god Joey is off the origin team, legendary player but his opinions on selections are always based off talent. Both teddy and turbo have let us down in 2023. Dylan Edwards may not score as many as those two but he definitely saves more, in origin thats so much more important than scoring. Let Nathan take control and let Dylan worry about defense. Teddy is way to predictable and DCE knows how Tommy plays, Leave turbo in the centres/wing and let the hard workers get the jerseys.

[@stewartdavies929]

If you go back 25 years you would include the storm in 99

[@GiggleGroup]

and then the cheating started

[@zillurrahman3531]

Joey is so bias for Cody he's lucky to even playing for bunnies

[@JMMM1986]

NSW will absolutely be kidding themselves if they pick Teddy

[@tahibolo7584]

i feel like NRL is gona miss the boat here. League is getting more popular then union. yes All blacks is the pinnacle but i feel like the sands are shifting.

[@mhjyuti]

If Adin and JFH are a "photo finish" as to who is better and Adin is leaving and JFH is coming in, then no it isn't huge news. It's basically no news at all Joey.

[@richardkanara3212]

Huge news cos nobody knew it was happening

[@matthewgrainger7059]

Yeah Mow Dee

[@brandstefff]

Webby the greatest wah sign up

[@DisFan1996]

Penrith are providing the talent for the NRL on and off the field. No compensation whatsoever.

[@danielkelly4487]

Penrith also have the advantage of being in western Sydney which is the biggest nursery for juniors

[@DisFan1996]

@@danielkelly4487So they get punished? Nothing stopping other clubs to put together pathways like Penrith have done in regional country areas.

[@danielkelly4487]

@@DisFan1996 there not being punished at all it’s a salary cap and they understand that panthers still get there pick of who they want to keep or not but clearly getting paid 1.4 mil is a massive reason why they are in trouble cap wise

[@user-cb5tl5fu3w]

@@danielkelly4487What makes you think the panthers are in trouble cap wise? Read up on the salary cap, pay attention to third party payments and look are the clubs that are taking advantage of that rule. Newscorp owns one club, another has a single owner, another with two owners, another with three but the majority are owned by leagues clubs and they just cant use the loophole.

[@danielkelly4487]

@@user-cb5tl5fu3w losing critta , Luia , jfh should tell you they are in trouble cap wise and can’t fit everyone in that’s why they are losing the players blind freddy can see that, obviously they can mate they’ve been doing for years and years not a new thing and shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone

[@elchapothedon4967]

Cody Walker for origin? And you wonder why nsw lose each year. Picking players out of form.

[@splattered63]

The Roosters need to spend money on a coach not players. Watching them play Melbourne tonight it's obvious the Roosters are poorly coached. Watch how many Roosters ball runners have to stop and surrender because other players are in their way. Just bad coaching. The game has passed Robbo and he hasn't kept up.

[@Luke-rt9gy]

the only thing the useless fool does is whine after every game.

[@maxfish4770]

Lol comps aren't won in the first month, they looked alright this week ay

[@Jaime_nz]

How's your brother Joey

[@merf90]

Joey Banging on about Penrith losing players 🙄 lets put together a Broncos team of players that were poached from them because of salary cap pressures

[@TimTamGaming]

That only furthers his point that clubs should be rewarded for investing in juniors…

[@jaromeasdale7157]

Can't put the best fullback of the last 4 years ahead of teddy or turbo. Joey's a great but his origin selections are always cooked.

[@JamesWillis-yy5px]

No way. Last 4 years? Did you forget what Tom Trbojevic did in 2021? And Ryan Papenhuyzen got the Churchill metal in 2020. And both Ponga and Drinkwater were better last year. In 2022 Edwards got the Churchill Metal, ill give him that year for sure. But I agree Edwards > Tedesco. I would have to wait to pick though.

[@jaromeasdale7157]

@@JamesWillis-yy5px ah yes, let's pick turbo or paps because they played good 3 and 4 years ago. None of them have put together the 4 years Edwards has.

[@JamesWillis-yy5px]

@@jaromeasdale7157 Tom Trbojevic and paps are in form now. But I do agree, Edwards deserves a change. Edwards is far more reliable.

[@Sharkster32]

Kalyn is gone for a month at least. Makes that decision easy.

[@mickconnolly5784]

A lot of the NRL Teams would be stuffed completely ITS all Penriths staff assistants coaches good player's all come out of Penrith these clubs jump up and down look who we have or got BUT ITS ALL BOUGHT NOTHING DONE THEMSELVES WITHOUT PENRITH THE WARRIORS THE BULLDOGS AND THE WEST TIGERS WOULD HAVE NOTHING AND STILL BE WOODERN SPOONERS

[@saborivaille1258]

The Storm are the OG provider of Stars and coaches to the NRL. What is happening to Penrith is only because Storm isn’t as dominant. Penrith are the top dogs now so more vulchers are swarming. Before everyone picked on the Storm carcass. Last few years Tino, Nicho, Smith, Fox to name a few all going for premium money. It’s always been that way. Half the clubs have a coach that was an assistant to Bellamy. Walters, O’brien, Arthur, Seibold ect. Penrith have a ton of juniors to pick from though. That’s why they will be fine

[@Brian_Saginashvili_]

😂😂😂 Warriors stole who? Get over yourself knob gobbler. Coach Webster applied for the Job like the others. Fish Contacted the wahs. Not the other way around. Capewell , People saying we took him when he was with Brisbane , Not Panthers.

[@patricknulty9729]

So this genious of RL can't fit Dillion Edward's into the NSW team, the most confident player in the competition for 4 years, not even on the wing, that's why NSW can't compete, immortal 😅

[@kinchegayowie6167]

Tedesco is a ball hog, Edwards has form , needs a start , Teddy's days are behind him

[@philmairu2500]

Turn his bloody mic on

[@rogerjamespaul5528]

Will Napa be cited for leading with his head in tackles tonight. He is deranged with a similar mental illness as Latrell so lets see what happens tonight.

[@stewartdavies929]

Who cares! From nrl360 to here pundits are talking up the 3 x premiers needing to take the 3 x wooden spooners best young forward. That’s a disgusting thought. I support neither club. I feel for Penrith losing him but that’s the way the cap is supposed to work. How would Penrith taking Stefano be in any way good for the game?

[@TimTamGaming]

Tigers poached him from Parra in the first place…

[@canwelook]

So unfair to teams like Penrith and the Broncos to have such massive nurseries that automatically give them a non stop production line of upcoming stars. Solution: give their nurseries to other teams.

[@TimTamGaming]

What stops other teams going to the country like Penrith have done to get guys like Yeo, Edwards, Martin, Burton etc?

[@canwelook]

@@TimTamGaming yes. And if NRL was a 4-a-side game, that would make sense.

[@TimTamGaming]

@@canwelook What are you talking about? You’re talking about their massive nursery while ignoring that they’ve have multiple key players come from outside of their area. Again, what stops other teams from doing that?

[@canwelook]

@@TimTamGaming Every team imports players from outside their area. Penrith imported those 4. So what is YOUR point?

[@Luke-rt9gy]

penrith and brisbane already supply most teams lol without those clubs the nrl would be screwed tbh they are the best because they put time into their juniors, other clubs choose not to, and prefer to feed from the top sides like brisbane and penrith.

[@GerardHagarty]

First time watching this show, i don't know if it could be more boring.

[@youareawesome5236]

I'm sick of Joey whinging about Penrith losing players. Broncos lost great players before, during n after our rebuild, never mentions it. We have an ex player at every team. Maybe if Ivan didn't give his son half their Cap, they wouldn't be here. Kevy underpays Billy lol n all our re-signed players are underpaid.

[@paulieplayspoorly]

Nobody cares about the Broncos, they're from Qld.

[@TimTamGaming]

Cleary is one of the best players in the comp and is paid as such, but he’s also on a front loaded contract that decreases each year…

[@youareawesome5236]

@@TimTamGaming I'm aware of his contract. Payne, Reece n Esra all on lesser contracts was my point.

[@TimTamGaming]

@@youareawesome5236 Yeah that’s called positional value…

[@user-hx5lz4qr1c]

FACT. Tyron May plays first half Penrith lose 22-0 , Naden plays 2nd half Penrith win 20-4 .....FACT.

[@user-hx5lz4qr1c]

lucky i wasn't Penrith CEO in 2020......i would've sacked Ivans asszzz......wouldda been the worst decision i ever made

[@user-hx5lz4qr1c]

if Ivan hadn't of screwed up 2020 with the Brent Naden/Tyron May thing they wouldda won 4 in a row , how could he split up Crighton/ Naden for a pathetic player like tyron may......so what about the coke ....he played him 2nd half of GF anyway.....but by then it was too late

[@user-hx5lz4qr1c]

lucky I wasn't Penrith CEO in 2020.... .I wouldda sacked Ivan's asszz........would've been the worst decision I ever made.....