Import Tool Madness: $8 Drawknife

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[@jimwilliams2682]

Add a little bit of hockey tape to the handles and you have a winner.

[@professor62]

I was thinking the same thing. Rob Cosman, right? :-)

[@WayneWerner]

HPHT

[@VoodooViking]

Only problem with that is you can’t let it roll in your hand when your working. But other than that, it would work great

[@J.A.Smith2397]

Cosmanize it 😂

[@brucelee3388]

I've seen that tool before - as you got it out of the box, it was 'sharpened' as a leather tanner's de-fleshing/de-hairing scraper. In use, after soaking in 'lye' the wet hide was draped over a sloped, rounded slab of timber - sloped and supported like a shave horse but no moving parts - and the scraper got all the scraps of meat and connective tissue off the inside, then the hide was turned over and all the hair was scraped off as soaking in lye loosened the hair so it would fall out. Icky and nasty, that's why tanneries are usually banned from cities and towns.

[@johnhoffmire5721]

Thats exactly what we used it for.

[@martinwoodworking]

@@johnhoffmire5721 are you aware of any contest on Rex Krueger’s KZbin!

[@UserNameAnonymous]

@@martinwoodworking - definitely some sort of scam

[@kevinkennedy-spaien8163]

I really like the combo of the cheap tool review and the "how to" of the bib system

[@1pcfred]

Even using the shave horse often a chest protector is worn. You're not supposed to slip but if you do it could be bad.

[@matsuomasato]

This type of drawknife is actually quite common in Scandinavia! They're mostly used to remove bark from logs. Some even call it a 'barkknife'

[@classekaka]

Yes, classic design here but I've never realised they look different in the US. A smaller one is called "späntkniv". Used to quickly make kindling when starting a fire.

[@jaakkolehto8203]

Barkknives are sharpened only from the top and bottom is supposed to be flat like in chisel or plane, so yeah this looks bit like that but can't be sure how the original shape of the cutting edge was on this one.

[@Hierax415]

I think most craftsmen can appreciate a tool that's just brutally efficiently manufactured and functional. That's its own art really.

[@kz.irudimen]

And it's so simple, if the steel is not completely useless and the welds hold it's hard to see how this tool would fail.

[@MegaDman42]

I bet some bicycle grips on those handles would help even more than the bare metal tubes.

[@LarryLeeder]

Yes!

[@jonrost5574]

There is also a grip tape that they use on tennis racquet handles. Some of that would probably work too.

[@elijahroberts5270]

Or Hockey Tape, ala Rob Cosman

[@MegaDman42]

@@elijahroberts5270 there's any number of tapes you could use, but sliding on a premade grip from a bike seems easier

[@thatellipsisguy8984]

As long as the tube bore is the same…

[@timothymallon]

It's like the type of tool you'd have your intoxicated uncle make with a leaf spring and exhaust pipe, welded with a stick welder and an old gas powered grinding wheel. To finish it off, he wraps the handle in 'letric tape cuz, you wouldn't wanna hurt your hands on the burrs! There ya go boy! You got yerself a real jen-u-wine drawer knife!

[@abydosianchulac2]

Can't lie, this style drawknife is exactly what I've been looking for. The fact so many force my wrists out of alignment is the main reason I don't have one.

[@timothymallon]

Try one of the old folding kind, where the handles fold over the blade. They can usually be opened wide for a similar angle

[@shermanhofacker4428]

@@timothymallon You are talking Money when a folding draw knife can be found! The capital M was deliberate

[@cangooner]

The Bib: I'm sorry but I just couldn't help but think of Flava Flav doing woodworking. :)

[@speedstrn]

Something to consider in the future would be making simple tools like that yourself. Check out Advoko Makes videos on his DIY anvil and the knives/hatchet he made for building his outdoor workshop in a remote forest. I know he made a draw knife, though I'm not sure which video it's in. His giant chisel could be very useful.

[@omegaflameZ]

Loving the shout-out to Lost Art Press, Chris and the rest of the crew put out amazing stuff and the daily (or more frequent) blog is worth a read too!

[@gozer87]

I got a drawknife to make wooden practice swords and braced one end of the blank against a stud and window ledge in my shed and the other end against my pillow protected sternum. I guess I was on to something.

[@nemo4907]

I've always known it as a bodgers bib, used in green wood carving of spoons and such. I've made several out of thick leather.

[@VoodooViking]

When pushing the draw knife along the wood, you wanna pivot on one hand cause your naturally using your power hand. Which by instinct with pushing your mind incorporates that into it. So your naturally going to put all you got into it. Look at mortise cutting with a chisel. Closer vs farther away and how the chisel is directed, all of which are playing on how the left to right hemispheres of the brain interpret the amount of pressure and force you put into something.

[@roberthenson6153]

Also, by pivoting the tool, you incorporate a shearing motion to the cut. Which is usually more efficient.

[@ArniesTech]

You are 100% inspiring. Although I am a tech channel, lots of behind the camera stuff I made by hand using your woodwork for humans techniques 💪🙏💖 Edit: At some point (when the studio is ready) I will build a server cluster out beautiful wood to put it next to the TV or other furniture. 😌

[@gregpreston7301]

Fun review and good content. The most fun for me was kinda getting into your head and thinking how fun it was to show off some of the new shop in the context of a video. Well done and as always, I appreciate all you do. Thanx, Greg

[@markh983]

Y’all the bid ain’t even start how you got an opinion on it already

[@robertgarvey5744]

I assume Patreon subscribers get early access

[@DongusKong]

We've had this on Patreon for almost a week

[@phillallen01]

These are a very common thery are mainly used for peeling bark off and you shouldn't be using flat stones on this style of drawknife it should be a cigar oval style stone to get a decent edge on it as these have a slight curve in the blade Gransfors Bruks make a decent one

[@1pcfred]

Apparently the Chinese make a decent one too. I bet it costs a lot less than the Gransfors Bruks one does.

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

8 dollar? i doubt that's highcarbon steel, and i doubt its actualy hardened

[@michaelgelunas1113]

So you solved my problem of how to hold my walking sticks as i strip the bark & shape them. I was doing something similar. Thanks.

[@CastlebayNet_Music]

Re: pivoting the drawknife whilst pushing gives a kind of shearing action kind of like a skew plane, instead of cutting . I have a 100-year-old drawknife with pivoting handles. They have three positions, straight (like your drawknife), traditional, and sheath. The handles have grooves that cover the blade when in the sheath position. I haven't used it in the straight position but I'm going to try it.

[@tadziowagner6642]

Pivoting cuts are pretty common in straight knife carving, too. A few techniques involve bracing your arms to your body. The hands remain nearly still and your back muscles do the leverage. Quite comfortable and efficient, even for prolonged sessions. In "Swedish Carving Techniques", Wille Sundqvist suggested to do your carving axework in a slicing motion, where possible.

[@nicmasterdude]

Looking like I proper chair bodger Rex!! The new shop feels natural already, and I loved the extra camera angles 👍

[@martinoamello3017]

My problem is buying anything from China anymore. Some tools are ok I guess, but I'll never send another penny to the CCP or the PLA .. Everything there is tofu construction.. Look up tofu construction..

[@WolfPawArmoury]

My only question is how are us ladies supposed to use that "bib," put a pillow down our shirts? I get that women never did woodworking back when this sort of thing was common and everything is designed for men, but my point still stands.

[@robinalexander5772]

Na $8 throw in the bin. buy something descent. I am glad you tried but no. Its shit. cheers from Tasmania. still like the video.

[@still34u]

I mean, with the amount of grinding and sharpening, you could just make your of out of an old lawnmower blade.

[@jasonmiller6440]

it isn't a draw knife it's a fleshing tool, it's from removing flesh from deer bones. but I can see how it would work better as a draw knife, than an actual draw knife.

[@fatmanjoh]

Only buy from manufactures that has ethical practises. Definitely not from china.

[@brissance]

Our woodsman lex luger man made in America, I am sorry gosh rex Kruger , they both rhyme but happy I am.

[@shermanhofacker4428]

I have often used a machete or big butcher knife as a draw knife in a pinch. The thickness of the back of a draw knife gives a bit of leverage to make heavier cuts. Older draw knives all had handles in line with blade similar to the one you have.

[@MrGalpino]

I used that system to shave the legs of my 3 kegged stool, except sitting on the floor with my foot and my round tenon gauge on my stomach to hold the legs.

[@MrCoolAttitude]

This is random af but the only thing I don't like with the new shop is I don't see the flag board from the og times of the channel.

[@SirBlade666]

A beltsander? What is this heresy?Isn't this a handtool channel? ;-)))

[@MichaelKingsfordGray]

That knife looks Indian. A back-yard job.

[@AramisWyler]

I like how using a different style of the same tool presented a platform to learn some new stuff about the bib and low bench conversion. It makes me wonder if maybe we shouldn't have some videos about how some other non-western cultures do wood working, like maybe some Indian styles, or Thai, or whatnot. Maybe there is nothing there - maybe everyone adopts either western or japanese style tools. But I don't know, and this video I thought was an interesting branch out from tradition.

[@aao35]

Dude, simply for those police sirens at 11:33 minutes it was worth to move your shop! 😂 Please keep that in your future videos. Greets from Germany.

[@whothefoxcares]

one of the last trees in China was burned to make the 'hardon-ed steel' you deftly handle.

[@adammono1839]

Rex I absolutely love you for making this video. The bib is so ridiculous! I'm certain it works and has been popular in the past but it's so silly! But genuinely fascinating, so thank you for the video. Keep up the good work 👍🏼

[@bowow0807]

Another case of the old adage of "If it looks stupid, but it works, it ain't stupid" XD

[@charlesmckinley29]

May the Schwartz be with you! Glad I live where rust is abundant and affordable. Thanks for the information on this option for those that don’t.

[@3henry214]

Anyone else thinking..... "Hey..... now I know what I can make out of that old power lawnmower blade hanging in the garage , and I have some left over conduit too!", LOL. I thoroughly enjoyed that video. And despite the crude appearance of that $8 tool, I think the handle ergonomics makes better sense than the conventional Drawknife configuration.

[@1pcfred]

Lawnmower blades are soft mild steel. You don't want the blade to shatter if you hit a rock. You don't want the blade to shatter period. Really you're just cutting green grass with it so how hard does it need to be? Though that does mean they dull up fairly quickly. Maybe it'd hold up to green wood work? I think it'd be just a bit too soft to really be satisfactory though. You can't really harden low carbon steel either.

[@martinwoodworking]

Uhhh, could you not have just flipped it end for end to use the stone?

[@JasonQuackenbushonGoogle]

that bib is something else. i’m never buying a pre made ax handle again.

[@sjlarue1]

Hey Rex, did you ever do a Bench Pony?

[@sp1ffy_]

Love the simplicity of the drawknifes design! Great review Rex

[@LimitedGunnerGM]

Couldn’t one be made out of a planer blade and a couple wooden handles? Then the 90-degree handles can give better control of the depth of cut.

[@mercoid]

A planer blade…. Wouldn’t that be an inconveniently narrow cutting width? Also, you make the crafting of the thing sound like a very simple task (to do Right). I assure you, it wouldn’t be particularly easy or quick. Not as easy and quick as buying this low grade hunk of crude craftsmanship for $8 bucks.

[@Lagrange00]

Last year I bought a draw knife for €5 but not from aliexpress. It’s probably the best deal I found at a flea market so far (maybe making up for some of the worst ones) as after removing the super thick layer of rust on it I found out it’s a beautiful James Swan 10" folding handle draw knife, although I wonder how it came all the way from America to Italy only to end up in a flea market €5/piece bargain bin. On an other note a tip I learned the hard way about draw knives is: watch out for knots as some of them can mangle your blade edge, especially if it’s a vintage tool considering material sciences were not as advanced back then as they are today :(

[@CriticalThinker1967]

What on earth am I watching? I can’t see the point of any of it

[@brianwright6522]

Rex. Another aced video. You nailed it with that draw knife. My son made a draw knife from a leaf spring. Very heavy but for tenoning timber frame. It worked great. He forged and honed the blade , then attached a set of HD handlebars to it. It’s a beast!

[@mercoid]

Were the handle bars of the “Ape Hanger” type? Because then…. that would be super cooool man baby! BRUUUUUM!!! Brummmmmmmm!!!! BRUUUUUMMM! BRUUUUUMMM! Dugga dugga dugga dugga etc..

[@TheCaptainmaim]

How can I sharpen if I don't have a big (or even a small) belt sander?

[@hauptmann6]

Low grit sandpaper wrapped around something round. And alot of time

[@eggster71]

Or flap abrasive disks on an angle grinder. Just be certain to keep cooling the blade or you will overheat it quickly.

[@pleappleappleap]

The heat from grinding that edge didn't ruin the temper?

[@davidcadman4468]

First off, we used to call them spoke shaves. Second, great tool, and video.

[@mercoid]

😢 Mr. Old Guy “gotta be bitter when ‘correcting’ the kids on terminology” chimes in. 😢

[@CountDoucheula]

Concave blades should really be sharpened with a cylindrical sharpener, like a ceramic rod or sandpaper wrapped around a tightly rolled magazine

[@joeleonetti8976]

Hi Rex. On the push cut and pivoting, it looks like you are getting more of a slicing cut and maybe that is why that works. Just a thought.

[@bacicinvatteneaca]

Here in Italy, draw knives of the arched, pommeled kind are relatively easy to find in local rural hardware stores, but I've never ever seen a spokeshave anywhere.

[@1pcfred]

Spokeshaves are fairly rare. When I see them they tend to cost a lot. I bought a cheap one out of China. I can't recommend it.

[@eggster71]

Class video as always. That mod for the low bench is my next "spare time" jig. I only have the low bench in the garden and no room for a shave horse/ horse adapted assembly. That looks the perfect solution. Sadly it is hard to get Chris's books in the UK!

[@TheIntermont]

He sells a pdf version on his website for ~half the price of the print version. Granted, hard copy is better. But it’s an option.

[@LegionaireSiggi]

Thank for sharing Chris's book. I love that you share where you do your research as sometimes I understand minor nuances from reading those sources.

[@eloscuro704]

As a bit of an aside, this drawknife is not the only thing you can sharpen with a belt sander. In a class at Woodcraft, the teacher showed us how to sharpen handplanes with it too. You have to be careful to avoid overheating the steel, but it works quite well.

[@shermanhofacker4428]

It's not difficult to add a removable clamping part of a shave horse to almost any low bench. Somehow I have never used a bodger's bib for anything other than the push stroke

[@jdstar6352]

Umm...did you look at the drawknife on the cover of Christopher Schwarz's "Ingenious Mechanicks," the book you recommend in the video? The drawknife in the medieval illustration ON THE COVER looks exactly like your $8 Chinese tool!

[@Argosh]

Don't you lose a lot of control over edge alignment with the handles parallel to the cutting edge like that?

[@RexKrueger]

From this little trial, I'd say no. I had control for fine details and heavy cuts. But only time will tell for sure.

[@EngineerMikeF]

​@@RexKrueger one advantage of the curved blade- it puts center of cutting force behind center of pulling force so blade will naturally balance better than a straight handled spoke shave where all force to angle the cut has to come from the wrists.

[@ChrisFranklyn]

Straight from the Klingon Academy of Intergalactic Carpenters.

[@romeotango5597]

I’d be very curious about the long term ergonomics of this vs the vertical draw knife. Just doing it with nothing in my hands I do notice that in especially a forward lean, a vertical grip results in a LOT less wrist angle change. My initial observation is this would be great for limited use, but there’s a potential for repetitive use resulting in injury.

[@woodsprout]

My observation is that the traditional position of drawknife handles allows for greater control of blade angle, by leverage.

[@salimufari]

Love the work you share with us & I feel that I want to support it further. Patreon here I come. That draw knife would be super effective vs Zombies too. ^_^ should the need arise.

[@justjones5430]

When you want to hone the other side, just turn the knife upside down Einstein!

[@kodoan411]

creepy mr. crotch hole is still "figuring things out".

[@martinraeside]

I just made a small drawknife by putting wooden handles (broom handle) on a stainless steel thicknesser plane blade (2 for £10 at screwfix). scary sharp, 100mm straight edge with a wee bit of flex.

[@samuelcason0000]

I’d be great if you could make Abraham Lincoln’s Impossible dovetail mallet.

[@timdoyon1964]

“It’s a hole” he says! 🕳️😁 That’s what she said! 🤣🤣🤣 “You wear it like a big necklace!” 😁 That’s wh…. 🤐

[@jhowe5571]

Echo? Get Auralex! They're studio sound treatment panels. They have a wide variety for various applications. 😁

[@alexistaylor969]

The belly plate or "bib" is really hard to use if you have big tits, possibly impossible if they are big enough. If you are a man with big muscular tiddies it is even worse, because you move and flex those muscles while working the wood, good for sex, not so good for this wood working position. I recommend building the horse. The main issue is the wood you are working moves all over the place so it is harder to do fine details or shaping. The Secondary issue is safety, if you hit a tough spot or a knot, it is real easy to jerk that wood out and hit yourself in the face (giggity), and a slight risk of cutting yourself a little bit if you don't catch the slip in time or panic when it happens.

[@Gabriel-e5g3e]

…I feel like the bib arrangement is a good way of getting violently injured. It just looks so… unsafe? Why didn’t people just add an additional piece into the bench that could hold the work, and then be removed afterwards?

[@gateway1600]

Really enjoyed the video. But I remain skeptical that the sitting position is the best way to use a draw knife. Standing and using your legs in combination with your arms and back puts much more muscle groups to work and lightens the load on your biceps. After building your heavy duty workbench, using a shave horse or Roman bench to use a draw knife seems like punishment for a crime you did not commit. Makes as much sense as using your hand planes sitting down, depriving you of your weight and leg muscles to push (or pull) the plane efficiently across the wood..

[@rontocknell5400]

I liked this video not because of the drawknife... I'm sure it's fine but I'm glad it's yours not mine (was that poetry? No... okay). It was the beast bib. I used a breast bib many years ago. It was based on a traditional design from Country Woodcrafts by Drew Langsner. It simply had a recess to hold the wood which was difficult to cut right up to the bib. I used it for years and it never once occurred to me to attach a block so the recess was extended further in front of me. It would have made life so much easier!

[@DasVERMiT]

I've always wondered about draw knives... How likely are you to hit yourself in the stomach with the blade? This design in particular doesn't even have that extra handle space between you and the blade.

[@-tyhjaarpa]

Never seen one used like this. I have seen them used for debarking pine/spruce and leather tanning. If you would like to get more traditional one you should look for Gränsfors Swedish Draw Knife that is hand forged with wooden handles.

[@JohnLadan]

The belly bib is easier to use if you wear it lower down on your actual belly -- about the height your elbow hangs, or just above belly button height. That's actually the height your shave horse holds the work. It's more stable there, because it doesn't move with your chest, and the pulling is more ergonomic, using mostly your lats. I made do with a phone book at my standing bench, and it was very easy.

[@Wuuz]

when i was kid i used to debark many trees with this kind of tool from cut down trees... i just remember my pants were ruined from all the tree sap.

[@mercoid]

That sap would turn any pants into Filson Tin Pants….. maybe even better! Sincerely, Lazlo Toth A Real American!! 🇺🇸

[@OrionTRC]

No offense, but that handle position on the cheap drawknife looks rather dangerous when you use it on your sawhorse. With the traditional position of the handles, your wrists are straight. That means if you accidentally let the knife slip, the worst that happens is you drive your elbows into your sides and fall backwards off the horse (and your wife and daughter will laugh at you). With the handlebar-shaped handles, if you slip up, you'll be pulling that knife right into your abdomen. That's a very efficient yet painful way to lose weight, me thinks.

[@mercoid]

I’m waiting for the fake tough guys to tell you, “don’t be such a baby!” You know…., the ones who go to historical videos of the building of the Hoover Dam and gripe in the comments section about how there are no “Real Men” anymore…, yet they themselves can’t do crap.

[@LeahisElToker]

You are 100% correct, I’m shuddering just thinking of the type of injury this could produce. No thank you.

[@larrywave]

This is very traditional in Nordic countries and cant say i have ever had any problems

[@thomashverring9484]

Great video! Now I want to make a drawknife-how hard can it be? 😄And I want to make that shave horse!

[@QuacGiaNgoVietCongHoa]

But this draw knife is made in China, buying this is supporting CCP financially.

[@madtitan9639]

I think you're bib is a bit high, or your step stop is too low. Maybe a bit of both. An adjustable neck strap might be a welcome modification.

[@markp6062]

as always, great stuff, Rex! Looking forward to seeing more of the set up of the new shop and all that it entailed!

[@rgrifat]

9:18 my explanation: isometric muscle contraction is stronger than isotonic contraction, so the stationary hand gives you a strong pivot point to rotate the blade around with the other hand.

[@mikewilson9315]

Not an $8 knife with free shipping. It's more than double that price.

[@BobMuir100]

I would rather spend the time building the actual bench than learn this uncomfortable thing. I will need the real bench sometime? Bob England

[@StodOneR]

I tend to use my own belly to hold things down while working with a draw knife, or my gluteus maximus. It's a bit uncomfortable at first but you get used to it after a while

[@weekendstuff]

Interesting video. Thanks for sharing. Weekend Stuff

[@levilam522]

First I've seen of your new roooooomy shop... must feel nice... room for every bench you may ever need

[@isaaco5679]

I could easily make one of those from a railroad C-clip spring. That thing also reminds me of a fleshing knife.

[@AlbiesProductsOnline]

To purchase from Australia it cost $24 but I’m sure I can throw a piece of pipe on the end of a lawnmower blade

[@ryangrimm9305]

Flashing into my mind isstowing the bib and stop under the bench. Just saying...

[@egbluesuede1220]

I've got good drawknives but I need a good shave horse......yeah, I'm on it now!

[@howardhagadorn9443]

Hey, toss that thing over here for a minute. I've got a pesky tree growing in my fence line and I think that would be great for girdling that damned tree.

[@davidlynn7161]

Great video. As far as the echo in the audio, it's there but I find it doesn't really distract from the whole production.

[@joetoner8848]

That’s what I told the cops when I…no, kidding…what a riot 🤣🤣🤣

[@octaviusthecrafter]

You know, I probably would not have noticed the hole if you didn't point it out! 😅🤣

[@ifga16]

OK, so where did you get this thing? I can't find it on Amazon or other sellers.

[@davidandrews5215]

Okay on the clamp that you used on the drawknife is new . Here is a idea that I use is take a small bench vise a 3 1/2 and bolt it to a 2 x 6 and clamp it to a bench .

[@arfamortis1]

Barknife

[@TheJesselopez1981]

The intro of the video looked like he was in front of a blue screen. Dont know if its the lighting but im turning into a "new shop truther." Does this new shop even exist?