Impressive Dassault Rafale Display | Kauhava Airshow 2020

[@tapanihopkins4378]

One of the best displays in the whole show, very impressive!

[@donjose4656]

Toujours aussi impressionnant le Rafale !!! Quel formidable avion ! mais je n'oublie pas le pilote...chapeau !

[@TheDark-Knut]

Rafale is a perfect example of 'Beauty and the Beast'. It's like a Lamborghini in the sky! 🤩

[@dkh8703]

It's more like Porsche Cayenne 911 in the sky. Swift, agile and precise. Light and small build wise.

[@rodrigovan8190]

You all prolly dont give a shit but does anyone know of a way to get back into an Instagram account?? I was dumb lost the password. I love any help you can give me!

[@jakealexis9032]

@Rodrigo Van Instablaster ;)

[@utilisateurlambda7983]

@FUCK SHIT Bugatti is an exceptional french car builder. Peugeot is less exceptional.

[@peterpotepalafusee7680]

But lamborghini is ugly

[@Tuo89]

Aggressive and fast flying. Very impressive manoveurs. Amazing!

[@TheLuckyCanuck947]

The Rafale is spectacular - I can't believe Canada let them walk from the competition.... unbelievable!!!

[@didierlemoine6771]

Canada belong to US market :)

[@richarddumont5389]

Le Canada? Une colonie américaine non? On a déjà du mal avec nos amis Belges alors vendre du Rafale au Canada ...

[@ogamiitto8627]

Politics !

[@obelixator3853]

One of the reasons is just a five letters acronym : NORAD !

[@H3x4r35]

It's a little more complicated than that. Canada is integrated with NORAD. In order to ensure "compatibility" with NORAD functions and networks, the US demanded every contender of the competition to give away the signatures of their radar and electronics. Including radar modes and whatnot, even PRIOR to the result of the comptition. Just for the sake of "checking if everything is compatible" you see? Which is a nice joke since radar modes, especially WAR modes, are the most secretive part of any fighter aircraft. The Rafale, back then, was the only european aircraft featuring an AESA radar that was present in the competition. Others only had (and still do by the way) prototypes AESA with in-development modes. The RBE2 AESA for its part is operational since more than 10 years. And since it's not really a different radar, just a different array compared to the older RBE2 PESA, both antennas being plug&play, it would have basically meant the US would have known in a snap of a finger absolutely every little secret of the Rafale regarding its radar and its electronic warfare. So Thalès (France) was more than pissed since this was literally normalized espionnage. Dassault then tried to get the other 2 european contenders to leave the competition . They refused. So Dassault left, alone. After years preparing to compete for this canadian prospect. Lesson learned.

[@konfuzon4270]

Very impressive! Rafale is in a class of its own dynamically...

[@sybil-charlenemicon-nicht9534]

R Rafale is breathtaking. Thank you very much for the spectacular video. 🇫🇷❤️✈️

[@Finaero]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed

[@kriskopx9542]

Great from France , thanks my friend.

[@Finaero]

Thank you!

[@ottohonkala6861]

Excellent travail Armée de l'Air française

[@stabilo3170]

N'oublions pas Dassault Aviation qui a juste pensé, conçu et développé cette merveilleuse machine.

[@gtrrealreels7339]

Rafale to Greece!! Yay

[@PAPASTHEGREAT]

Για να τα Βλέπουμε μόνο 😂😂

[@PAPASTHEGREAT]

@FUCK SHIT ?????-?

[@evenhazertannecy8134]

Turkish dont play with Greek airforce when they will received this killer aircraft

[@PAPASTHEGREAT]

@@evenhazertannecy8134 Now we are Playing with You

[@salmanahmed6042]

In ur dreams.

[@shrowdy5991]

Am glad we Indians have Rafale.. Such a powerhouse.. Thanks French Air force👍❤️

[@stabilo3170]

Thanks for Dassault Aviation I would say ... 😉

[@dominique4700]

The Rafale is an omnirole aircraft, not a multirole aircraft. i.e. he can do several different missions (ground attack or attack against objective at sea, air combat), without having to return to the base to be configured and then @t is one of the few planes that can do this. Le rafale est un avion omnirole et non pas multirole. c'est à dire qu'il peut faire plusieurs missions différentes (attaque au sol ou attaque contre objectif en mer, combat aérien), sans être obligés de revenir à la base pour être configuré et repartir ensuite.C'est un des rares avions à pouvoir le faire.

[@kirkjamestkirk]

You know it is a good demo when it's hard for the camera to keep up. Thanks for sharing !

[@Finaero]

No problem!

[@alaincouillaud8997]

Great plane, great pilot !

[@sergecastaigne8928]

Une virtuosité impressionnante!! Le rafale est sans aucun doute le meilleur avion de chasse du monde, polyvalent très performant en MCO et le standard F4 surclassera tous ses compétiteurs!!

[@ChrisZoomER]

Now THAT was impressive!

[@chrisjung3538]

Parfait pour pour l’armée 🇨🇭. On peut pas rêver mieux. 🤗

[@radicalrodriguez5912]

perfect for a country that doesn't ever intend to fight a war, yes

[@francinesicard464]

@@radicalrodriguez5912 The multirole Rafale has proven its capacity over the past 20 years in different war zones but CH decided to buy F35 (hasn't yet proven its fighting capacity), very expensive at purchase and horrific expensive maintenance following the reports of US specialists, a baby that has still lots of problems to resolve. For what, just protect a post stamp?

[@brunogaultier5102]

Biden en personne est venu dire aux suisses choisissez le F35 su vous ne voulez pas que les banques suisses soient pénalisées aux USA....une semaine après nous connaissions le résultat F35

[@daviddunne4737]

French beauty. Speed , poise, elegance. Europe Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen, a very excellent trio of wonderful aircraft. Well done Europe.

[@hrvojeklasic3020]

It' s coming to Croatia soon! ❤️

[@jipe4509]

« Un bel avion est un avion qui vole bien » (Marcel Dassault).

[@johannesbrouwer8447]

Awesome agility and a superb landing!

[@faris.Djunaidi]

Been Rafale fans for a long time. And now my country is highly likely to buy it. Can't wait to see this beuty flying in our sky.

[@sebd6307]

Why are French solo air shows so spectacular???!! Often looks way more impressive compared to the USAF F16 display shows. Somehow the f16 shows look always the same... start, hard pull, double 8, high speed pass, triple aleron roll, 9g turn, 4 point roll, slow pass and that is it.... maybe the f16 cannot handle the manouvers the rafale does... I dont know if it is better, but it looks more spectacular for sure.

[@utilisateurlambda7983]

Because Rafale can do that the other can't;

[@kaikarlsson8673]

Nice looking flying by Rafale pilot!! Looking like that Rafale`s motor`s give good power put out! FAF material!

[@DOMINICAAVIATION]

Incredible footage. Amazing display

[@Finaero]

Thanks!

[@mikelouw7189]

Definitely a break from the standard routine which most jet displays follow today. Best one i've seen to date.

[@tot8858]

super crazy pilot with outstanding jet fighter

[@tolispaoki295]

Can't wait to see them with the Hellenic Air force !Best pilots with the best jet...Greetings to turkey 😁

[@francinesicard464]

Haha!

[@francoisjean1178]

R.IP TO TURKISH PILOTS.....🤣🤣

[@parshottamdassgarg8506]

Born to touch the sky with glory.

[@Plume7874]

@ "ATE" CHUET TOPGUN2SPEAKER, tu pourrais nous faire un commentaire de démo pour nous expliquer en quoi les manoeuvres proposées mettent en valeur les capacités de l'appareil par rapport à une mission opérationnelle?

[@kewalbawa2298]

Wow! Never seen such action by any fightr plan..

[@Boc_Xanders]

2:46 ...my GOD !

[@fourniercc]

Impressive indeed. Usually I remain surprised about video makers who do not show or film the last seconds of the last manoeuvre that is the only one this versatile plane is able to accomplish without risking pilot life at this altitude thanks to its formidable aerodynamics…

[@anishdynamo]

I think it's the world's most agile fighter aircraft

[@arildrichstad8958]

no thats sukhoi the f22 is god to

[@thierrymilan2039]

@@arildrichstad8958 certainly not, have a look at the weight of both.

[@chrissoubibi]

@@arildrichstad8958 the Sukhoi is twice the size of the Rafale. It has no chance in dogfight against the French fighter.

[@arildrichstad8958]

@@chrissoubibi i agree

[@deckdeckard5297]

Most probably the most agile of the NON-thrust-vectoring jet fighters.

[@HedbergHenrik]

I guess the pilot has quite different neck muscles than the average person... Seems like massive G-forces, very impressive!

[@obelixator3853]

The Rafale Solo Display is known to go up to 11G. There is some videos showing it's HUD during the demo . . .

[@H3x4r35]

Here is a twitter video of the HUD of the Rafale Solo Display in Dubaï Air Show, november 2019. The pilot was Sébastien "Babouc" Nativel. The footage was taken during the "square dance" figure, which is a serie of 4 breaks with barrel rolls in-between them. During the breaks the Rafale reaches 11G as indicated on the HUD. twitter.com/Amitraaz/status/1203283895321427974?s=20

[@jzk3919]

There are spruced up g-suits nowadays in scandinavian circles. Not widely advertised but developed in the late nineties.

[@Lili40-02]

Une de mes vidéos préférés , bravo au pilote 👏👏👏🤩 , le rafale , le must..., Merci. 🙂🙃😃😉🤗 .

[@Finaero]

Merci!

[@kogibankole]

powerful demonstration what a pilot

[@DebuMazumder]

Really good pilot

[@lajeanne222k8]

C serré. La prise de terrain est exceptionnelle

[@cnfuzz]

That thing is a beast and i aint french

[@antibash691]

@Thor Odinson He doesn't say otherwise

[@lionland817]

Very powerful jet indeed. Bravo!

[@PAPASTHEGREAT]

The Weapons ho carrying this Interceptor are Amazing the Meteor Cruise Missile can hit Target up to 500 Km away so our Rafale can carrying 2 of them plus 20 planes are 40 Missiles in the Heart of Mongol Turkey bye bye S400 or warmashine Factories.

[@obelixator3853]

Just a little mistake : The stealth cruise missile is the "SCALP-EG" (or "Storm Shadow" for British). The METEOR is a beyond visual range air-to-air missile with hybrid propulsion : booster (for initial boost) + throttleable ramjet (for long range) with the best no-escape zone in western arsenal . . . Both are MBDA (Aribus, BAE, Leonardo) products.

[@PAPASTHEGREAT]

@@obelixator3853 Mach 4 Please Storm Shadow range up to 600km

[@obelixator3853]

@@PAPASTHEGREAT Mach 4 is for the METEOR. SCALP-EG = STORM-SHADOW is a subsonic cruise missile (Mach 0.8 to 0.95)

[@PAPASTHEGREAT]

@@obelixator3853 I know the Mach 4 was for the Meteor.

[@obelixator3853]

@@PAPASTHEGREAT My bad, I didn't understood your previous answer . . .

[@teroalho847]

Rafale to Finland!

[@adamsangala8682]

Good enough. Very sharp turnings in high speed.

[@chrissoubibi]

I've never seen a jet as agile as the Rafale

[@arildrichstad8958]

Well you better take a look om f 22 not bad that plane to

[@deckdeckard5297]

@@arildrichstad8958 The F-22 is good, but it has thrust-vectoring, while the Rafale doesn't. And still, the F-22 is not as responsive as the Rafale, because it's heavier.

[@Timodon1]

If i buy one can i pay it in 64 monthly payment?

[@oggamer3737]

Timo Lindroos sure you can, that will be only 2 million per month. Do you still want to make the order, sir?

[@TheMicke40]

Très belle prestation, bravo !

[@calou024]

Sublime le rafale la montée waooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Bravo au pilote ,merci pour la video

[@georgedoganis6708]

Turkey wanna play birdy ahh need to wait till thanksgiving

[@testeurglandeur6609]

I have noticed that when talking about it on other channels while comparing specs with other planes, many are like meh! It's just numbered. But when you really can see what really it can do, you understand better why it's such a big deal of a plane. In a dog fights imaging you are flying any other plane, would you really feel confident against that plane? Any pros will tell you that they would probably pray that the pilot is a newb cause they know they're in big trouble if not ;-)

[@torbojet]

Lambasting performance by Rafale 👍

[@francinemansouri3313]

Magnifique ... bravo !

[@RAFALESOLODISPLAYVIRTUEL]

fantastic !

[@piwi2005]

Nice video. I much prefer this zoom ratio than the more usual close ones. When zoom is too strong, true you see the plane better, but one has no idea of speed nor of altitude. Focus is more difficult though.

[@Finaero]

Yup. Thanks!

[@etienneetienne8309]

France is not only cheese,wine,baguette and french cancan!

[@cbienlafee4411]

simply the best

[@stephanebart563]

Vive dassault !

[@dodolcom597]

INDONESIA will buy that 42 unit rafale, arrival 2024

[@ChachouLP]

What the Finnish who were there thought about this show ?

[@DrRchannel71]

awesome catch

[@Finaero]

Thanks

[@golix1344]

The best 4th gen fighter jet EVER ,PERIOD. I really hope my goverment choose this plane on a fighter jet tender that we have right now... other option would be F16 block 70/72 but most of my country cheering for Rafale.

[@tonyparker3527]

4.5 gen

[@marc9080]

pour ton info la génération de l'avion n'a rien à voir avec ses performances, pour preuve le merdique et rater F35! c'est juste une date de projet!

[@JoeJohn777]

Hawaï ?

[@ChachouLP]

It's in Finland

[@cnfuzz]

Why did my country buy f35 why oh why , ah i remember the mirage V and III and the compensation flukes we had , not get fooled again

[@henryvagincourt4502]

con fuzz + Maybe because the Air-Force/Navy Commander know's a little more than to base it on an air show mucker, that and he doesn't want his balls blown off in combat.

[@thibaudduhamel2581]

henryv agincourt they must be the same commanders that decided that they wanted carriers without Catobar systems, preventing any AWACS capability and limiting the service range and carried load of the planes embarked on said carriers... Truly masters of their craft at work.

[@noitmrj4502]

F22 why not but F35 :((

[@cnfuzz]

@@henryvagincourt4502 it is also because with the f16 my country made parts for the upgrade programs ( we even trained americans in f16 combat) , i suspect it will be the same in the f35 cycle , its all about compensations

[@henryvagincourt4502]

@@cnfuzz + Israel? If so, you didn't buy them, I think you know that mucker.

[@evenhazertannecy8134]

quel sacré pilote

[@Sub___Zero]

Come to papa ! Come to EL_LAS !

[@ace-pv4hy]

Rafalle+greek pilots=💪💪💪

[@alexchris9985]

@@ace-pv4hy Best of both worlds

[@youssefelghou5622]

حفظكم الله انما كنتم فرنسا العزيزة على قلبي

[@fahimtajwar1989]

is this real time or deliberately played fast? its too fast in manuevers

[@Finaero]

It's in real-time, not speeded up or anything. The pilot manoeuvred the aircraft well.

[@obelixator3853]

The Rafale Solo Display is always like that ! Look at this wonderful video : kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5inZYSsrc15r7c

[@deckdeckard5297]

Your suspicious question is the best tribute one could imagine to Rafale's flight capabilities. :)

[@philippec9085]

It will be difficult to compare with other planes which are not there, like the F18 and the F35 ... the latter still shines by its absence. Absencts are always wrong.

[@AlluzHH]

Yeah, i was pretty sad when i heard that there's not going to be any Lockheed Martins.

[@philv3941]

The F35 stays away from euro continental public air show since this event : www.intelligent-aerospace.com/military/article/14067798/twinvis-radar-f-35-tracked

[@didierlemoine6771]

NO MORE DOGFIGHT WITH RAFALE SAId THE AMERICANS :))

[@lordtemplar9274]

The F35 has trouble making transatlantic flight. Finland know this with HX Challenge when half of the F35 did not make it. 😈

[@philv3941]

@@lordtemplar9274yes finland test was a disaster for the f35 ^^, but netherland daily use of it is funny too, theirs can't even fly by rainy days ;) ( true story ) The best way for the russians to invade europe now is to choose a rainy and cold winter day, and to fly only through F35 equipped countries.

[@locutusvonbrot4746]

I guess there still won't be any better dogfighter in any current airforce anwhere in the world.

[@glaabaglooba]

Did you get the Hornet demo too?

[@Finaero]

Unfortunately no, but don't worry! There will be more videos from Kauhava to come.

[@riikkaliinaturkki]

Ompa hieno.

[@suhan8382]

High energy fighter 👍🇹🇷

[@schmikeMS]

Le jeune rafale ! Il perform bien mieux maintenant ! 😀🙂🙂

[@lajeanne222k8]

Passage basse vitesse repris à la mirage 4000.

[@Avofan]

The Rafale has to be the aggressive/burtal demo to watch or fly.

[@dica8811]

Wowww

[@Finaero]

Thank you

[@revueenvrac4643]

Nervous!👍

[@stephanemounier4054]

French Rafale. BY.

[@harishkiran3663]

ഭയങ്കരം!

[@stabilo3170]

Ilmavoimat should have bought it instead of the flying gold bar F-35.

[@globalthings1016]

Is there any Pakistani hare see thise video ?

[@harris8401]

Komea nousu!

[@Hajmola-r5u]

Rafael is look like nake without her missile and bombs.😅

[@monfortnicolas5448]

not a single turn under 6G's

[@juhalaakso5835]

Rafa on hieno kone..

[@ДмитрийБарков-л6я]

Он что не может даже кобру сделать или блюдце?это что самолет 3 поколения,делает бочки и петли

[@dsignr7769]

Most see now why Rafale is the best plane. Maybe more dog fights with f22 .. last were funny. F35 or some russian /chinese. We are the best .

[@IsaacOLEG]

Si vous attendez les soldes vous l'aurez a - 30% facilement (le pilote n'est pas vendu avec) Ou bien quand le modele électrique sera sorti, il y aura la aussi une baisse du prix du modele essance

[@satoo7560]

It belongs to Indian Air force and so the pilot....!!!

[@andreactuel7209]

no it is a french Rafale from the Armée de l'Air. Why do you think it is from India ?

[@thierrymilan2039]

Sorry no, french airforce actually.

[@satoo7560]

I see the emblem mark on IAF on it..so it belongs to india..so the pilot would be from IAF. It is french made aircraft

[@thierrymilan2039]

oo Please dude, check the French Airforce emblem. It's the same as Indian Airforce except the blue ring in place of green. Start have a look on Google on French Airforce history (one of the first created in the world). These airshows are made to promote aircraft builders, and as you said, Rafale is build by Dassault and fly for his service (Dassault) by the French Airforce, that is why the fighter has french colors. Btw, India only has a few Rafale at the moment that just have been delivered and the Indian Airforce has far more important tasks than bringing a new fighter to an airshow.

[@satoo7560]

@@thierrymilan2039 Oh...I got it...thanks for correcting me.

[@faisalms2827]

Did you know 🇮🇳 In 2016 an IAF Su-30MKI was scrambled to shoot down a balloon (Yes a balloon) which came into Indian air space from Pakistan. As per IAF, The Su-30MKI fired 97 rounds to bring a balloon to the ground. After successfully shooting down the balloon Su-30MKI returned to its Air station, further investigations reveal that "Happy Birthday" was written on the balloon. This is first & only IAF's Su-30MKI official air to air kill till now.

[@radicalrodriguez5912]

weak engines, small radar, no IRST, no HUD, low service ceiling

[@utilisateurlambda7983]

That's true! F35 is horrible

[@radicalrodriguez5912]

@@utilisateurlambda7983 so horrible everyone is buying it

[@ebb8851]

Le temps est venu pour le monde de savoir que l'armée ornithologique n'est plus ce qu'elle était !!! Et la preuve en est ce qui se passe avec la Turquie, la Turquie envahit et prend le contrôle de nombreux endroits dans le monde comme Chypre, la Libye, la Syrie et de vastes régions de la Méditerranée dans une tentative de trouver et de contrôler leurs ressources gazières et pétrolières, et malgré les demandes et les avertissements du gouvernement français, la Turquie ignore et même déprécie Et la France a peur d'attaquer ou même de menacer la Turquie !!! Et pourquoi? La réponse est que la France n'est plus ce qu'elle était !!! La technologie et les armes turques sont meilleures que celles de l'industrie française !!! Et je recommande à tout pays intéressé par l'achat d'une arme de préférer l'arme fabriquée en Turquie plutôt qu'en France! En outre, je recommande à toute personne intéressée par l'achat d'armes d'aller sur KZbin et d'être impressionnée par les produits de qualité de l'industrie de l'armement turque.

[@GT-zf7tt]

C est vraiment drôle ce que tu dis là. Je me suis demandé à un moment si ce n était pas une blague. La Turquie est un grand pays, une puissance militaire, ça ne fait aucun doute, mais pour ce qui est de sa capacité à développer et fabriquer des armes performante on repassera. C est comme si tu disais que les russes font de meilleures voitures que les allemands !

[@JaswinderSingh-gg8xk]

old tecnalogy buy india

[@vijeshkumar692]

Did you just call this "old technology"? 🤡

[@g.atharva9174]

that has an indian air force emblem on it

[@kaamdev810]

That's what i was asking myself..is it indeed the Indian logo?

[@flo__60]

@@kaamdev810 no its the french cocarde en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockade_of_France

[@lordtemplar9274]

French emblem cocarde, it exists before India had an air force or a flag. Read description.

[@thierrymilan2039]

Very similar to Indian Airforce but blue color, not green. French airforce.

[@fredafox5602]

The ajar pigeon iteratively hover because hydrofoil putatively frame worth a laughable sweatshirt. righteous, roasted precipitation

[@evenhazertannecy8134]

une sacrée bêbête

[@jasc4364]

So what, it is not stealthy.

[@obelixator3853]

Passively speaking, the Rafale is certainly not a VLO (Very Low Observable) aircraft, "just" a LO (Low Observable) aircraft with its 0.06 m² frontal RCS, far better than "4Gen" fighters. Passive "stealth" is not the alpha & omega of fighter jets, it has lot of cons . . . The aim of LO/VLO is to increase the plane survivability, but for the Rafale this goal is not only based on a single property (VLO) but on a smart balance between RCS, agility, endurance, ground following, self-defense suite (SPECTRA), reliability, supercruise, ease of employment, etc...

[@bertrandviolette9008]

VLO + active cancellation thanks to SPECTRA.

[@thierrymilan2039]

Stealthy is still outdated. Certainly not a game changer for big airforces.

[@jasc4364]

@@thierrymilan2039 Let’s say some countries are just incapable to build a stealth fighter, therefore they simply argue stealth is not a game changer.

[@thierrymilan2039]

@@jasc4364 Ok all your comments shows you are not aware of last defense techs. Stealth aircraft tech is available since the 70s. So you really think the big powers in the world who are able to detect missiles smaller and way faster than an aircraft don't have radars to detect your so-called furtive plane ? Wake up and read more about the world defence, not only US tech. First danger in war zone is to be too much confident.

[@chinalad1049]

We just ordered the upgraded model. Its got automatic white flag dispensers, extra turbo ejection seats, and a Michelin packed lunch with Bollinger champagne 🥂 for use after ejection. A truly ( french) pilots plane aaarrrrrgh 🦃🦃🦃🦃🦃🦃🦃.😂🤣

[@jeanvaljean2000]

Pangolin eaters always ready for à good joke. Need to see your J20 flying saucer shot down by our "White flag jet", 150km away.

[@MERCATOR313]

Go Fuck

[@kaamdev810]

Whats the menu in Chengdu? Oh..bat soup..

[@chinalad1049]

Jean Valjean actually I do, as long as your flying it you froggy cretin 🐸🐸🐸🐸

[@chinalad1049]

MERCATOR313 Go fuck ur self. Looked all nite for a french ww1 or ww2 pilot or good plane but ace no luck though seems pilots as bad as Rafael : meaning is slight breeze or fart for better accuracy their then 🤣😂😜🦃🦃

[@Masse6499]

Not so sure what´s impressive? The french always fly with special show airplanes with tuned engines ,clean, stripped and lightened aircraft

[@lordtemplar9274]

Lol jealous , any sources to back your conspiracy theories? FYI all planes fly clean config during airshows.

[@bertrandviolette9008]

You’re wrong.

[@Masse6499]

@@lordtemplar9274 No just check the videos from the same airshows and you´ll see

[@thierrymilan2039]

You think you can tune a jet engine as you would with a car at low cost ?

[@Masse6499]

@@thierrymilan2039 More or less you can.... Volvo flygmotor been doing it since the fifties. Not as easy as a carengine with turbo of course but doable.

[@llamudos9809]

Will Rafale be great when it attempts acrobatics against a 5th gen gen at low speed? If you want a crowd pleaser then the Rafale will be up there. If you want a jet that will survive a full on battle i would go with the f-35. WVR battles do not happen since long range A2A missiles were invented. Rafale will be toast.

[@thierrymilan2039]

You simply don't know what you're talking about. F35 is a mess even after 10 years, still unreliable. The US airforce is actually planning to cancel order of that fat iron. F35 is a warrior only in Hollywood movies !

[@llamudos9809]

@@thierrymilan2039 Clearly its yourself that is clueless and do not understand that the f-35 A & B & C variants are all operational with between 82-92 % operational usage after flight (far greater than the typhoon or the rafale) which languishes around 60% operational use due to the high maintenance time to service them. Thanks for pointing out you clearly do not know the mainenance stats for each jet.

[@llamudos9809]

@MrTherealpadYou clearly think that situational awareness does not matter and that OODA loop is just a made up word. He who can react fast enough within engagement and has all the data to hand lives to fight another day. The Rafale fully loaded with ordanance is a slug and hardly as manueverable as seen at air shows. If the F-35 engaged it at BVR it would be toast. It cannot outrun the missiles it cannot dodge the missiles. Its EM is not sofisticated enough for missiles that track in mulitiple ways. Once the missile gets close enough then their is a no escape scenario. Rafale is old tech built on a doctorine that is outdated.

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@@llamudos9809 Well it seems you're trully convinced of what you're saying so I will not start trying to explain the matter of facts like autonomy and carry of ammunitions far superior of the Rafale than F35, also fusion of data or reliability which is simply something F35 will never be able to achieve. Not to forget Rafale is combat proven and has successfully enter in denial airzones to bomb russian equipment in Libya.

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@@thierrymilan2039 So you fail to prove your point or debate the opposing view yet want to be critical. Seems like a cop out!