In Defense of Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts

[@JanneSala]

God, just as a response to the beginning to the video, growing up with the late 00s-early 2010s internet and being that impressionable kid seeing all the nintendo youtubers of that time hype up this game and shit on nuts and bolts (this applies also to stuff like hyping up ocarina of time and dissing wind waker), it's insane to see someone talk of that from a historical perspective and realize that you're about to graduate with your masters instead of still living that time.

[@JohnSexDD]

The annals of time are swallowing us whole... But at least you have a master's degree to show for it

[@Zz-_-]

I think Wind waker is in a similar boat also wind wakers is my favorite introduction to that art style

[@lazarovillagomez6776]

Wow you’ve managed to take what I’ve been thinking and put it into words. KZbinrs had negatively shifted my perspective of this game, when in reality I enjoyed almost every second of it when I was younger.

[@LukieLuke5]

I felt this way about Mario 3D World when it first came out. People shat on it pretty hard for bot being the open world 3D mario game they wanted. But after Mario Odyssey came out the opinion of the game switched and people liked it again. It was always a good game, people just couldn't see it for what it was, only for what it wasn't.

[@JohnSexDD]

3D World is excellent, always loved it. Only rivalled by Sunshine imo

[@LukieLuke5]

@@JohnSexDD 3D world is my favorite 2D Mario Game. And no I will not elaborate. 😎

[@just_an_elli]

I'm not really a fan of mainline Mario games, but 3D World is a massive exception. I love everything about that game

[@Meme_Lor]

​@@JohnSexDD I can't trust someone who likes Sunshine

[@U.F.O]

8:25 The reason for the look, if I remember right, was that they wanted to emulate modern cartoons at the time, which were using that kind of shape language. Good examples are Total Drama Island, in 2007, and Fairly Oddparents and Danny Phantom, which were 2001 and 2004, respectively.

[@JohnSexDD]

Ahh, that makes a lot of sense. Too bad translating it to 3D was mostly horrifying

[@ShikiRyougi05]

That's actually interesting, i've never thought about that!

[@qwertykins76]

I think in their heads they thought "Well, the original designs were very polygonal because of the N64....let's include a bunch of square edges, to sort of simulate that look for the modern era". Except they kinda forgot that the original N64 designs WEREN'T all that polygonal really.

[@MegaDude10]

Fun fact: Banjo Kazooie ALWAYS made fun of itself. They would occasinally break the 4th wall like it did in the begining. In fact I always felt the "insults" were directed at "gamers" who were bootlocking CoD at the time.

[@smashers6971]

I feel it’s moreso on how poorly it’s handled, like for example in Banjo Tooie before the final encounter with Klungo Kazooie comments on how the music changing usually leads to them getting into a fight, it’s a quick simple joke that stands out because the game isn’t overly meta. Nuts and bolts has the duo basically being forced into a situation they’re uncomfortable with and it wears on you quickly.

[@80constant]

I've always been a massive fan of some of Nuts & Bolts' designs, like you mentioned, Bottles, Mumbo, and Wumba all go hard. Smash made the peak Banjo design combining the hallmarks of the original design with his wide body build from Nuts & Bolts of course banger vid as usual 🙏

[@chrisbeach423]

Smash didn’t take anything from Nuts and Bolts besides Banjos house on Spiral Mountains stage 💀

[@foursidekm]

​@@chrisbeach423a few animations are from nuts and bolts. Like mumbo juggling his eyes lol

[@sourcherrycrunch]

thank god I played this game as a kid before seeing the jontron video. loved the game and I loved the video too

[@TheLeevoy]

Haven't watched this yet but I'm so here for it. I've over the slander for this game. About time it got the respect it deserved. Also: Grant Kirkhope is a mf legend.

[@TheCartoonGamer8000]

20:28 YES! I’ve been thinking this for years - Impossible Lair and the Yooka remake do this exact change and I love them for it. What a breath of fresh air this was - mixed with a slight bit of foul humor, but great stuff. One day I’ll give this a fair shake and like/dislike it for what it is. That music though, gotta agree is top tier. Keep up the good work - we need more voices like yours out there!

[@JohnSexDD]

Haha thanks man! I actually watched your vids when I was a kid so it's very cool to see you enjoy one of mine (Sorry if I just made you feel old)

[@TheCartoonGamer8000]

@@JohnSexDD Wow that's wild - and no worries, I've felt old for a long time on this hellscape.

[@kirbyvskirby]

Oh my goodness. Thank you for spreading the word. I bought an 360 (and XBONE) for N&B. I was a kid who liked BK and BT and I liked N&B all the same despite it being different. And for years I just had to be that guy that had to be in defense of the game because nobody else would. It's genuinely yoo unuiqe and good at what it does to hate beyond shallow observations. I want a spiritual successor to N&B, I felt a little vindicated with Tears of the Kingdom even if it's not the same. I'm replying with a link to a 5 min video I did about N&B when I still was finding out my YT niche if you wanna see:

[@kirbyvskirby]

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[@waluigivermicelli]

Would you say TOTK is a good game for a N&B fan like me? I didn't really enjoy BOTW

[@kirbyvskirby]

@@waluigivermicelli Not particularly if you're going in to it wanting N&B2. It is BotW but more. And I do like that more but the N&B bits feel ignorable sometimes. It's been a while.

[@kirbyvskirby]

Not a BotW fan myself but I enjoy TotK.

[@waluigivermicelli]

@@kirbyvskirby aight thanks. Might retry botw sometime. Never got past the first few hrs

[@sprinkletragedy]

Very glad to see someone taking the side of this game. I'm so tired of people who think parroting Jonathan Tronathan is the peak of comedy/media criticism. I am a huge Banjo-Kazooie geek to the point I want a tattoo of them someday, played the first game when I was like 4... and I still liked Nuts and Bolts!! Wow! The only criticism I really have is that I don't really enjoy the fact it's so split up in missions, and the giant worlds, while very cool, do not really encourage exploration. Otherwise, I adore the game, it's super fun and SUPER PRETTY. The character designs are hit and miss, sure, but the environments.... Showdown Town really speaks to me. The music only enhances it, I was listening to it before I even had a chance to get the game. But yeah, I honestly have more fun with Nuts than I had with Tooie upon a replay for 100 percent for both games. Mostly considering I played it with my then-boyfriend, and we had a lot of fun making the weirdest vehicles with the dumbest names and laughing at the character dialogues. Especially the oddly frisky Jinjos were a great source of laughter. It's gotten so hard to just TALK about these games and be happy that they exist because people either get angry about Nuts and Bolts or whinge that they want a new game. Please, folks. Play another game. I promise there's a lot of great stuff you never knew existed. Very good video!

[@waluigivermicelli]

This is still one of my favorite games of all time, and I actually bought the other titles just for the stop n swop parts in N&B. I didn't enjoy the originals that much, so I can see how the reverse can be true for OG's. Even though the worthlessness of the stop n swop items for such a legendary concept were a letdown, I'm glad I grew up with this game and not the originals.

[@MizunoKetsuban]

Gonna be honest, I never beat a single Banjo game. In regards to the first and second games, I just got bored of them. Nuts and Bolts though? The only thing that stopped me was my Xbox chewing up the disc. I was borderline obsessed with it.

[@GreenEyedDazzler]

I fucking love every banjo game, I got nuts n bolts when I was like 10? Never regretted it. Still one of the best vehicle building single player games actually- I think it’s the best of those. Basically a 3d vehicle platformer god I have to play it again and stream it this time. I’m so glad you talked about Banjo Twoie and now this. Glad I subbed

[@GreenEyedDazzler]

For reference I was 3 in 1998 when Banjo Kazooie came out lmao

[@mistergremm735]

Was recommended this and the opening statements about perspective and opinions reasonate hard with me since I used to be on similar boat, glad more people are waking up to that, I never really liked banjo but always felt people were too harsh on nuts and bolts, I recall having fun at opening hour as a lad but did drop it, interested to revisiting it down the line

[@helfire14]

Rare was apparently going to make a Banjo-Kazooie remake at first, with new, co-operative game mechanics, but decided against it because they could already hear fans calling it a rehash. I think I prefer Nuts & Bolts over what that would have been, tbh In the end they were being too self-critical and held themselves to too high a standard, only wanting to try for a new game once they had figured out something that would have been impossible on N64's hardware, but on the path to create something new, they left behind the old. With their mindset at the time and their lack of faith in the platformer genre, there's no way they would have been able to make a remake, let alone a worthy successor. Nuts & Bolts ended up alright in the end, at least. Despite all it lost, it still kept the spirit of Banjo-Kazooie.

[@OfficialSSMunitions]

So basically the devs were in a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." situation.

[@helfire14]

@@OfficialSSMunitions Preeeetty much. Fans were expecting it, they wanted to hold themselves to the reputation of pushing a console to it's limits, a ton of pressure both out and in. The scope they set for themselves was too broad to match, when all it would have taken to satisfy the fans was just more of the same with a slight evolution at most. If they had went simple instead, we'd probably have at least two or three more B&K games by this point. ...With fans still saying that the N64 games were better, probably.

[@OfficialSSMunitions]

@@helfire14 Ya gotta give credit to Rare. Brave mofos.

[@helfire14]

@@OfficialSSMunitions Bold, too. Unafraid and willing to go the extra mile. Even with Nuts & Bolts, they did the best they could with the concept.

[@sinom_00]

Ive been thinking about Nuts and Bolts a lot in the wake of Tears of the Kingdom. After playing through that game I just couldn't shake the feeling that NnB somehow did the vehicle building way better, despite having a vastly more restricted system in more restricted levels on more restricted hardware. I realized that Rare made all the right calls with their vehicle system to complement the game around it. Its not the most robust or mechanically interesting system ever, but there's infinitely more payoff to designing the right vehicle to pop Mr. Patch, deliver twenty coconuts or wreck Grunty than there is to auto building yet another hoverbike and gluing yet another Korok to it.

[@omlo9093]

Yes, a wide variety of challenges to put your creative vehicle designs to use. 😊

[@G0ATFAC3]

I'm actually floored by this video. Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts is my favourite game on the Xbox 360 and I completely agree with everything you had to say about it. I'm particularly thankful you brought up the game's seeming embarrassment at its own existence; that's something I often think about in relation to the game but see almost no one else discuss. It's a fantastic, fun, massive creative sandbox and there's even charming bits about its worst attributes. Well done!

[@connorbeith3232]

I feel like more creators should stream the game just so I can see what cars they could come up with.

[@wwyattMC]

This was a remarkable video. I was born in the late 90s, and while I was a huge fan of RareWare's games growing up, the Banjo games eluded me until I played the Xbox 360 remasters by 4J Studios. Nuts And Bolts was the first Banjo game I had played proper, and I think it was a phenomenal game that still to this date gets unfounded criticism and hate from people who probably never even played it. Much love, man. Keep up the great work.

[@eleypvr7294]

This is still THE game or my childhood

[@RiposteBK]

Finally, a man of taste who appreciates N&B for what it is - and the phenomenal soundtrack too 👌

[@LozenAdalbert]

thank you sir Jonathan Sex... you're peak...

[@ValcomDrifty]

Hey ended up finding this video on my monthly "Look up Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts videos" binge and found this video and as a Nuts and Bolt megafan(thats not a joke btw this is my favourite game of all time) id love to give my 2 cents. One thing I wanna say is that Rare was literally always gonna go down this path, there were no plans for Banjo Threeie at all and that line at the end of Tooie was just a throwaway joke line, sure there is a chance that maybe they would've made another if they were bought by Nintendo but it would've probably still been pretty similar to how Nuts and Bolts is now, although thats only speculation. Nuts and Bolts technically starts all the way back on the original Xbox as there was going to be a Banjo kart racer (not Pilot) but that was scrapped, then It was Banjo X, and then they brought back the cars (thats the short version of events but still). The self deprecating humor was mostly the devs knowing that this game was not like Kazooie or Tooie at all, but like I said earlier, at the time they didn't wanna make Threeie, which unintentionally combined with everything else was the nail in the coffin to a big chunk of people. I really recommend looking at the "Facts about Banjo-Kazooie" Twitter account, it has alot of fun facts and clarifications and development stuff from Nuts and Bolts, and personally it really made me love this game ever more. I plan on one day making a whole like 5 hour long video on why I love this game so much and why it deserved more (fun fact before the game bombed there was plans for a Nuts and Bolts 2) only problem is ive always been stuck on how to format it. Also might just be my probably 1000 hours in the game but the controls just seem like a "skill issue" lol. Also yeah great video btw forgot to say that

[@SolarFarle]

I love all 5 of the Banjo Kazooie games.

[@AuraNova26]

Ah yeah, never agreed with Johnny's take about the music in Shadow. Some bloody amazing tunes that I still go back to every now and then.

[@king_poyo64]

Yeah of all the problems that the game has, music isn’t one of them.

[@GobiPie]

I grew up with first two BK and still loved Nuts & Bolts so much. My best memory has been a race mission against NPCs and instead of building a fast car I built a mobile furnace box I used to trap and burn to death all my opponents until I was the only racer left and naturaly won the race.

[@SapphyTaffy]

Humba Wumba my beloved

[@dacasman]

I played through nuts and bolts without even realizing there were previous games and I absolutely loved it. To this day it's a stand out game in my good gaming memories. But when I heard about the previous games being so much better and nuts and bolts being trash, I played the original and honestly thought it was incredibly boring and lacked anything that kept me hooked.

[@leonun]

I've never played a Banjo-Kazooie game, great content as usual

[@shajita]

I wish I could add something to this video, but anything I'd write would be redundant. You've put feelings I've carried with me from childhood into video. Thank you for giving this gem its time in the sun.

[@User-d6l6t]

I watched Scykoh’s GlitchFest video on the game and immediately wanted to play it. A year after I watched that video I decided to get on my dad’s Xbox One and finally play it, and I loved it.

[@alexisgasca2471]

I was born in 97, and banjo is my childhood game, after hoping for a 3rd game I was upset with nuts and bolts look but still played and passed the game, and I never passed it again, I go back here and there but nothing beats the first 2 RIP to banjo threeie I’ll probably grow old and die before the next banjo game comes out

[@Isaacfess]

Always loved this game. Emulated the first two when I was younger and played Nuts and Bolts when it came out. Really enjoyed the building mechanics, it's almost like a Banjo Immersive Sim game, and I do love those as well! Great video dude.

[@MapleLunii]

I love N&B with all my soul, the vehicle building stuff will never not be fun.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

A lot of people tend to lay the blame on Microsoft for some of its more... controversial design choices. But thing is, the decision to add vehicles was made by Rare themselves, due to how big the levels were getting.

[@0DRONZER]

omg finally this video exists the internet is actually healing🙏

[@atomicbrat879]

N&B is criminally underrated, and this is from someone who lived through the “this game sucks cause cars” mentality. Picked it up at a GameStop to really see if it was as bad as everyone said and lo and behold the game scratches an itch I didn’t know I needed scratched. It made me understand how much I value a creative game, and a game that lets me work within the parameters of my own creativity. Game is goated with the sauce.

[@ramsesjfg7668]

If Banjo looked the way he does in your thumbnail, I would also be defending it

[@donnylurch4207]

I enjoyed N&B and in fact got an XBox 360 for it. I was disappointed as far as a BK sequel goes, but I did enjoy my time with it. I didn't feel like I could really connect with the worlds, since they were so literally artificial and populated with the same characters playing fake roles. I never finished it, and when I tried to put it in and play it almost ten years later, I realized I forgot how to play. This game is impossible to pick up and play, you need to start from the beginning and learn how the systems work. However, if you do that, it's a great vehicle building system!

[@SECONDQUEST]

Xbox had plenty of games aimed at the same audience of the BK series. Kameo was a big advertising push.

[@TheMrBonesShow]

Amazing video. I made my own video covering Banjo a few years back, and I admit I was pretty harsh on this one. I was still upset I never got the 3rd Platforming entry I've been craving ever since I beat Tooie many years ago. Maybe someday it will happen (It will, just you wait!) but I think this game is a lot of fun for what it is. It's still just as funny as Tooie, has that dry British charm, and while it may not be very visually appealing to me, I can see why it has it's fans. I've been saying this for years, but Blast Corps would've been the perfect IP for a game like this. Building your own vehicles to blow shit up? Hell yeah sign me up! Wasn't a huge fan of the Rare team shitting on what made the first two so popular and iconic in the first place, but oh well, not all jokes can land. Bottom line, is N&B the best BK game? Hell no (That stays true to the goat Tooie) . Is it a bad game? Far from it, but I don't think it was the best fit for the Bear & Bird.

[@MarioLuigiBros-64-DS]

Jontron: Cars? Cars?? CAAAAAAAAAAAARRRSSSSS!!!!!!?????

[@Scrubber89]

I love Showdown Town.

[@Ole4Piece]

Have you thought about playing Mario Eclipse? Your Sunshine streams were phenomenal dude

[@vibri_]

5:10 jon's newer vids are basically glorified reaction videos

[@Mikman360]

Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts tripped and faceplanted into a sewage drain so that Tears of the Kingdom could run.

[@AppleGreenmusic]

It's better than totk lol

[@DonutSwordsman]

I need a sonic video from you I think it'll be awesome and honest

[@JohnSexDD]

I'm interested in covering either Heroes, Shadow or Frontiers. Just gotta pick one.

[@SurlyUJest]

a) youtube randomly suggested this video to me a week or so ago. a salute to John Sex b) this video was a pretty insightful look into how the internet's collective perspective shifts! after watching Panoots play this game, i felt super betrayed. it's especially funny that it was Jontron who put those ideas in my head lol 🙃

[@Silver3May]

I never played other Banjo Kazooie games, just Nuts and Bolts, and didn't see its reputation online until years later. It was my favorite game for upwards of a decade, it's genuinely great.

[@DemonRenamon]

Just wanna say rq (the whole video is a banger, but this was especially important to me) that what you say in the beginning is extremely true. I remember being a kid during that time frame and watching a TON of Jontron, Egoraptor's reviews etc, and just being like "well they definitely sound like they know what they're talking about so I agree!" Lol. I think it wasn't until about my late teens that I started to realize that not only did i not agree with their takes occasionally, but that i was tired of feeling like I had to like "the right games" lol. I think it just sort of comes with being a kid, growing up and learning how to be your own person etc, but I do occasionally think these biases can stick with us even past that time, and we need to remember the validity in our own opinions on something, rather than having fear of being "in the wrong" about a game we like lol. Sorry for the ramble! This was a great video tbh. Keep it up king ❤

[@BodeN64]

I only really hate nuts and bolts because I don’t like the redesigns for banjo, kazooie and mumbo. The other redesigns are good. Ive never played nuts and bolts. Hell, I haven’t even finished the first game.

[@misterzygarde6431]

I genuinely think that doing a mix of platforming and the vehicle stuff would make for an amazing Banjo game. Like imagine if your vehicle was your means to get to new areas for example.

[@ZasperTheFurry]

Exactly how you felt about this sums up how I've felt about this game all along as well. There aren't many games from the past I go back to play but I still find myself playing all the Banjo kazooie games and have really pleasant memories of nuts and bolts. Should it have been Banjo Threeie, yes but looking back on it, it was a fun ass game. Admittedly I was pissed it wasn't the 3D platformer I anticipated but my negative opinion subsided the more I played the game and enjoyed it for what it was. What it did it did well.

[@MkSkribble]

It really should've been a spin off that didn't contribute to the main storyline with Mumbo as the main character, him using a magic wrench would've actually made a lot of sense.

[@JohnSexDD]

Damn that's a good shout. If Threeie had playable Mumbo like in Tooie, it'd be cool if he had his own Nuts n Bolts type spinoff mode or something

[@kennydarmawan13]

It should be noted that Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts has as much of a chance of success as Crash of the Titans and Mind over Mutant. To wit, Tears of the Kingdom shows that a vehicle builder CAN work in an established IP. Admittedly, TotK had years of refining in development AND still plays like a Zelda game. But still, if Super Mario Odyssey proves the Titans era can work, then Nuts & Bolts could too. As for how Nuts & Bolts could've worked, just make the vehicle aspect an addition to the duo's expanded moveset rather than a separate mode altogether. Like, if you can still do Talon Trot and Rat-a-tat Rap on the vehicle. Alternatively, make it clear the vehicle segment is part of the platforming segment as we saw in Kirby Planet Robobot.

[@smashers6971]

I feel like Nuts and Bolts’s reputation mostly comes from really poor timing, Banjo was gone for 8 years and the game released for the series 10th anniversary alongside rereleases of the first two games, so there’s obviously going to be some discontent with people going into Nuts and bolts due to its drastic change in gameplay. Also about the game being insecure about existing.. yea that’s pretty accurate probably because it was going to be a platformer originally. The original idea was a remake of Banjo Kazooie with the idea that the game would change a lot of elements as it went on (Mumbo’s mountain having a boss fight and Humba Wumba being present as two examples) but due to the backlash towards Conker live and reloaded (Which was a fine remake for all intents and purposes but people didn’t like the censorship added), Rare wanted to take the game in a new direction thinking 3D platformers were not as successful as they used to be. I definitely feel while the game itself isn’t a bad game, everything leading up to the game’s release lead it to gaining its infamous reputation.

[@kkb_7267]

Holy shit I just started playing the original BK 2 days ago, after having played NB as a kid on my 360, what are the odds

[@PullStar05]

I think another good example of this was phenomena is with the Super Mario Galaxy games. Mario Galaxy 1 is my favorite video game of all time, and a shit ton of people love Galaxy 2 even more than that. Both games had stellar atmosphere and some of the best level design and gameplay in the whole series. Mario Galaxy 1 especially because it’s the only mainline Super Mario game to date to actually have a competently written story that goes beyond “Mario saves Peach or someone besides Peach”. So when Super Mario 3D Land and 3D World came around, they felt like inherent downgrades because they actively were smaller in scope and less imaginative than previous games. 3D World especially blended in with all the generic New Super Mario Bros sequels that were coming out around the end of the 2000’s into the mid 2010’s. We were unable to see the things 3D World did right because most of its identity appeared to be ripped from Mario games most of us agreed were better than it. Nowadays with the Switch port the game’s gotten its just dues for sure. Even beyond that, Super Mario Odyssey has been praised as one of the best games in the series and I was one of the people who didn’t really enjoy it all that much compared to Sunshine or the Galaxy games, I even enjoyed 3D World more. With Odyssey, I had heard all its praise be jammed down my throat by every gaming journalist and youtuber under the sun, but I hadn’t seen anyone covering the inherent flaws the game had and how a lot of the game just didn’t gel together as much as previous Mario games, at least in my opinion. I had seen both sides of a gaming debate, either being on the majority side or the minority side in terms of thoughts, where I eventually grew to love Mario 3D World, while Mario Odyssey went from one of my favorites on a first play-through to one I almost never come back to. Then finally, AstroBot came around, and much like with Tears of the Kingdom and Nuts & Bolts, nearly EVERYONE who talked about the game mentioned how it was essentially the third Super Mario Galaxy game people had been asking Nintendo to make for 14 years. A game that wasn’t as railroad and generic as something like 3D Land, or as open world and kinda unfocused as Mario Odyssey, the perfect sweet spot of 3D platforming that I love from games like Spyro, Banjo, and the older 3D Mario games from the 2000’s. I realized what I wanted wasn’t MORE of what already exists, but a game that takes the foundations of those earlier games and evolves them to a whole new level. Experimentation is never a bad thing for a series, but in a lot of cases, some things work out and others just don’t, its different for everyone!

[@Daryom]

Im honestly getting so tired of the whole "internet celebrities dictate the opinion on games" thing. Its even more fucking annoying when the discussion makes a 180° turn just because one guy said "well acshually..." because damn, people barrage games to the ground but suddenly it is a masterpiece, or the discussion shapes into how it always being "overrated". It has been happening a lot in the Persona community, where they treat the remake of P3 as trash just because one guy said on a video that the game lost "its charm" just because it doesnt look al muddy and dark like the PS2 one, and they really act as if the old ass PS2 game that was HATED for years due to how weirdly written it was and how bad the gameplay was is a gem that we never appreciated... Even though the remake fixes literally everything but hey, i guess having crunchy ass textures on everything is way more important than being an actual videogame.

[@Idiot-the-Catrabbid]

Thank you for your wisdom, John Sex

[@krishollow]

I remember having a blast with that game.

[@JoeContext]

Something I've been wondering recently that might be relevant... Was this game being the series finale a blessing in disguise? For one, "Post-360 Xbox" and "handling IP well" do not belong in the same sentence, but also I feel like this game is an example of the kind of wild creativity gaming had in the 2000s... that was almost entirely stamped out seemingly the instant the 2010s began because critics complained it wasn't how games used to be, leading to nostalgic slop that tries to pretend genuinely good ideas never happened because everybody was collectively gaslit into thinking they were bad so hard it took roughly two decades for any of them to be reconsidered beyond "not like the 90s so it sucks" (Sonic being the prime example - "dark age" my ass - but it happened elsewhere). I feel like if a Banjo revival happened in the 2010s, there's a decent chance it would end up being a "be careful what you wish for" scenario where we get another platformer that brushes NaB under the rug and just gives us a soulless rehash of the first game and maybe Tooie

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

The only problem with nuts and bolts is that it was advertised as a sequel instead of a spinoff. If if was advertised as a spinoff and if it was called Banjo Kazooie racing it could have succeeded.

[@AppleGreenmusic]

It's not a fucking racing game please actually play the fucking game for once before commenting lmfao.

[@luilui5780]

I agree on a personal level with you with the begginging of the video. I am a 2000s kid and I remember everyone hyping up Ocarina of time as the best game of all times and that everyone should play it. I was very excited to try it out, and when I finally did, I absolutely loathed the first half of the game. I found it boring and with terrible game design, I barely forced my way through. I even remember being sad and dissapointed with myself for not enjoying this masterpiece. I did eventually started having fun with the game, around the fire temple but all the previous temples were horrible for me. I recently played it again after almost 7 years since my first time, and enjoyed it quite a bit. It's not (for me) the masterpiece everyone claimed to be, but a fun game nonetheless. I am now playing Majora's Mask and I am enjoying it quite a lot.

[@ollyyyyyyyyy1352]

they flayed me alive in the banjo kazooie discord back a few years ago for being a n&b dickrider, glad to see someone else can see the truth

[@Invy-PT]

Yeah honestly, I’ve never quite understood the negative criticism. It was an extremely fun game. If anything the criticism was in the wrong place, most of my complaints are with the Terrarium of Terror. That was the only time where I genuinely disliked the game but even some of the challenges there were alright.

[@captainmalice]

I caught that Hawk Tuah at 2:01 you sly dog

[@BugsyFoga]

I blame jontron

[@MegaDude10]

Wasn't he also racist or something?

[@Brentonius_III]

N&B music was peak, spiral mountain was beautiful and showdown town was actually so fun to explore banjoland was my favorite level can you tell i loved the first 2 games???

[@izzyj.1079]

Wait, who the hell is saying BK was mid?

[@JohnSexDD]

Twitter engagement baiters

[@BananaR777]

As a game that wouldn't be under the banjo kazooie ip it be a semi decent game but as a bk game it's greatly pales to the predecessors

[@ShadwSonic]

You know, I always thought that this was a great game but not a great Banjo game... kind of like how Sonic Frontiers was a really fun game, but not really feeling like a proper Sonic game as far as mechanics. Oh wait, people really _like_ that one. So what's their excuse here?

[@ehhorve857]

desperation. frontiers was published after the 3rd series ruining disaster that year. so it's a bit of an inverse situation, banjo build and pilled was a different game after 2 good games (5 if you know the series), and frontiers was a different game after 5 bad games.

[@MYLAR.]

I actually played Nuts n Bolts when I was a kid - never having played the original or the sequel. I had so much fun making flying machines and dicking around with my stupid car creator, it was just so much fun to go beep beep! I attribute this to how I find flying a digital plane extremely fun [I literally stopped playing that new saints row game purely because it didn’t have an airport for me to steal a plane. I was so mad] So when I saw JonTron’s video in his hayday, I had a similar reaction to when you saw a youtuber say Shadow’s ost sucks: “Aw, true.” Now don’t get me wrong, the intro sequence was kinda donkey balls, but as a kid I literally skipped all the dialogue so why should I have cared GIVE ME MY CAR PLANE

[@MYLAR.]

I’m glad I stopped to watch the video, you’re funny!

[@Wolfie15]

True

[@vittokyokoxpokemon5969]

Oh …..This is cool new content

[@ManicBestia]

This guy... He gets it.

[@blueknightskeleton8424]

I remember hearing that the reason why N&B exists and Banjo-Threeie not, is because the dev team didn't wanted to make Banjo-Threeie. They wanted to make a Meta remake from the first game, where many things would slowly change, like changing bosses (Instead of Conga, they would be a huge ass termit) and new upgrades. There was a racing game in works too, both got mixed, and N&B was born lol And imo about N&B? Honestly yeah, even as a kid i've wondered why people hate it, i've only played the DEMO back then and i had a blast. Then i got the full game (I haven't finished yet, it's a bucket list thing) and man oh MAN, IT'S FUN AS FUCK. It didn't needed that backlash, but i hope these years opinions will finally change.

[@FluxPavilionR1]

I dont care much about the game from a single player perspective but me and my friends had a blast in multiplayer. We would set a goal/task and then create a vehicle for that task and compete. Shout out to the sumo gamemode! that was hilarious!

[@elinator8889]

to be fair a lot of the normalboots guys all had very similar tastes as they gaslight entire generations thinking starfox adventures is also horrible just because it’s not a starfox game but a zelda clone. they also were notorious about shitting on sonic when it’s pretty widely popular that sonic in 2000’s despite some lows still was actually cool.

[@ibruceeasily1728]

Its like this guy used me specifically as the example for this entire video. Ive never telt more seen

[@breaduzimaki]

They blocky art style was supposed to be an attempt at trying to make them still retain aspects of their N64 designs in the modern age but that clearly didn't turn out well

[@BanjoGate]

I have 100%'d this game more times than I care to count, and I have to say this.. It is a good game, it just isn't the Banjo game that we were expecting.

[@FelipeLima-j8z]

i really liked nuts and bolts when i played this is game is really cool

[@lukashm4298]

Fuck yeah, dude! I had nuts and bolts as a kid too. I remember it being super jank but really fun despite it. So I was confused when I saw the amount of hate the game had garnered. I didn't play the originals until my late teens, so I didn't see the game as the lost sequel everyone wanted. I Instead enjoyed the game for what it actually was, not a masterpiece by any metric but a good time nonetheless. I realised that most of the people who were complaining had never even played the game to begin with. Some of them hadn't even played the originals. They were just spreading hate because they heard others do the same. People are dumb, but props for standing by your opinion despite it!

[@ManMorFlo]

I need to know what you think of the CR7 situation lol

[@ManMorFlo]

Also, I loved playing Banjo and Banjo Tooie as a kid. N64 was my shit even into my teens. F-Zero X lives rent free in my head.

[@JohnSexDD]

It is fucking bizarre, in a word lol I'll have my full thoughts up after TGS

[@ManMorFlo]

@@JohnSexDD I'll be waiting haha I'm definitely curious what SNK is gonna do with him

[@Kaybeeguy]

I think Grant Kirkhope put it best with a tweet he made a while ago. Basically saying that Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts is a good game, it just shouldn't have used the Banjo-Kazooie IP and just been its own original game. Similar to sentiments that people have to something like Resident Evil 6, where it's a good game, just not a good Resident Evil

[@thelifedragon2156]

i played it the day it came out, and even at the time, i remember thinking "this game is ok. not amazing, and not really a banjo game but not bad" i ended up play another rare game made for the system after that was even better though, kameo: elements of power. no one played it but it was pretty good for the time. though id say nuts and bolts has actually aged better than it.

[@qwertykins76]

Flawed but extremely fun and innovative game. I literally spent months toying with that vehicle builder. I made a giant purple crab with monster wheels, it was good times.

[@supermariof0521]

0:23 Seeing any footage of the Completionist after what got exposed last year is a little uncomfortable in my opinion.

[@JohnSexDD]

Yeah I thought it might be, but when I think of classic "nintentubers" he's one of the first to come to mind. It wasn't an endorsement, just an example.

[@supermariof0521]

@@JohnSexDD I gotcha

[@Zz-_-]

I never played Beg N peg, spank full length seems fine to me ,Sex is right

[@koiyune]

another w video made my the one and only john sēx no nose banjo

[@greendaleforever]

If Banjo and Kazooie had looked like how they do in that thumbnail and ultimately in the game, I may have picked it up.

[@PiccoloNamexio]

Yo john, we need your reaction abt COTW collaboration with CR7 and SF6🥵

[@JohnSexDD]

I was hoping that dumb TGS panel would have a proper character reveal to justify an upload. I recorded my reaction to the SF6 collab but I feel like I've missed the boat now and was just gonna include it in my next coverage vid

[@0tterhead]

I still firmly believe the game is decent but people shit all over it because they have never had a single original thought and only believe what idiots like Jontron say

[@jerimiahsaiah]

15:16 LMAO BRO NOOOO 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@SECONDQUEST]

I was a kid basically when JT was a kid, he's someone I wouldn't be friends with as he never grew out of absurd edgy nonsense. Political views included. He's got a babies simplified view of the world.

[@SeisoYabai]

I just watched your Animal Crossing review and you put everything I had felt into words. Think to myself I wanna watch somethimg about Rareware, maybe Banjo Kazooie, and check your channel before I click off only to see this front and center -a game I absolutely loved despite the backlash. Are you my future gay not gay husband??

[@masonasaro2118]

nuts and bolts would probably have been received marginally better if the opening cutscene (among other moments) wasn’t so mean spirited towards the n64 games and the fans. also if L.O.G was the villain like originally planned

[@awesomepeople100]

What's the song called at the end?