In Defense of China with Keyu Jin

My guest today is Keyu Jin. Keyu Jin is a Chinese economist currently teaching at the London School of Economics, and she just published a book called "The New China Playbook". Keyu gave a TED Talk about a month ago, the same week that I did, and that's how I became aware of her.
​​​​​​​So Keyu has an unorthodox stance on China, at least to a Western audience. It's now a bipartisan consensus that China is our main geopolitical rival and that we ought to treat China as if not an outright enemy than at least a major adversary. From trade wars to theft of our intellectual property to spy balloons, most American politicians would endorse a tough on China stance, at least in principle. Keyu Jin believes that this is the wrong approach. She thinks that America and the West have misunderstood and unfairly villainized China.
As you'll hear in our conversation, I don't share her view, but I'm always interested to hear the arguments of the lone voice willing to buck a consensus. So we talk about China's economy, its strengths and its weaknesses. We discuss China's political system and why it differs from countries like South Korea and Japan. We talk about China's declining birth rate. We talk about the problem of brain drain from China. We talk about China's current human rights record, including its detention of around a million Uyghur Muslims and other minorities in Xinjiang. We talk about China's aspirations to annex Taiwan and much more.
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[@latiendaca1773]

@coleman; @0:50; …“theft of intellectual property”… I thought that’s a part of capitalism, from manufacturing to copying to theft of technologies. We did it to the Europeans, most evidentiary was Ford on the assembly line technics. And they did it to the Chinese way back when. There, the queen called the tea tree planting techniques were “spirited over” and silkworms farming was “shared over”. And to this date, intellectual property theft legal cases of this part of capitalism are still accumulating… Is Chinese doing it a “thing”?

[@keepcalmcarryon9097]

You demonstrated some understanding and willinģ to hear from different opinions, however you let yourself down badly quoting the million uyghurs. 1 million is a very large number and winder if you did bother to look up the origin of this estimate, you would know it came from a extreme Christian right wing Adrian Zen, a nutter.

[@joeching]

COOLIE PRIDE Coolie pride is the Asian version of the Stockholm syndrome. It is voiced in the various forms of “China-hating”, from criticizing China’s diplomacy, being anti-China pro-capitalistic liberal democracy to fiercely anti-Japan. In short, it advocates the “traitors’ rights”. Wang Gungwu(1st video clip below) is a major spokesperson on it. He’s strategy is, by defending the legitimacy of China, he righteously claim the contributions and successes of Asia’s Southeast Chinese who struggled valiantly against their former Western colonists, but conveniently omitted the assistance obtained from the West and profiting at the expenses of the Chinese communists right after WWII. These Southeasterners are deep down pro-China but still anti-Japan. However, there is another group of Chinese, whose ancestors once fought along side the Western Allies as America’s proxy in WWII, who typically by hiding behind their pro-Mao stance, are now sworn enemies of Japan, China and Asia. Their openly hostile attitude toward Japan is perpetuating the West’s effort in dividing and conquering Asia, causing any effort to toward a full and final liberation of Asia from American dominance impossible. The video clips 2&3 clearly illustrates how the pro-west group has capitalized on the Asians’ “coolie pride”. The former Hongkong top leader in clip 3 actually called for “traitor dignity”. [Exceptional and Chinese by Wang Gungwu] kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3OoZINriJ52Zqs China: Friend or Foe? kzbin.info/www/bejne/inLYiYKlnrKWoa8 Western liberal democracy would be wrong for China kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6iwanarfMh1nas

[@muigelvaldovinos4310]

Glad u invited her. Just wondering if she thinks China is so bad ass why isn't she living there? On the other side she might be some sophisticated smart ass spy. She said - China wants peace.. yeah, right, let's ask the Tibetans, HongKongneese, and the ughurs. And, and, the last thing China wants is an open discussion

[@keepcalmcarryon9097]

@@muigelvaldovinos4310 remind me how many wars has China fought since 1980 and how many other major nations have? The fact that you desperately have to quote uighurs, HK, and Taiwan shows you are clutching the straws. It is this sinophobia nonsense that makes the world so dangerous.

[@BeelP.]

That 1 mil Uighurs incarcerated is a nonsensical figure. It is widely quoted but no one seems sure where it comes from. Adrian Zenz, an anti China anti communist crusader who has never visited China is credited with that number and journalists quote it as a matter of fact. Adrian Zenz, who uses some official Chinese statistics on falling Uighur births as the basis of concluding there is an ongoing genocide fails to notice that Han Chinese as well as other minority Chinese ethnic groups experience far greater falls in birth rates and also that falling birth rates are a natural social phenomenon as female labor force participation rates rise, the cost of child bearing rise.

[@nmew6926]

Thanks Adrian Zenz, the CIA put a stop on "muslim" Terrorism in Europe since 2015. Otherwise who would sympathize to these Uyghurs. Remember the CIA killed their OWN people in 9/11 and assassinated their own president in 1963

[@ahkoy973]

One person makes an outrageous statement which fits into the antichina narrative, and suddenly every single journalist regurgitate this bs without even fact checking.... thats how it works 😊

[@williamgarcia1909]

WHEN HAN CHINESE WERE RESTRICTED BY ONE CHILD POLICY, (NOW THREE KIDS R ALLOWED), THE ETHNIC MINORITIES WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE AS MANY KIDS AS THEY WANT.

[@mstrailertrash058]

It has been verified. It is, of course, an estimate as the society is very opaque in the unaccountable dictatorship (making playspace for radical chic denialists and ostentatiously rebellious teenagers) but the U.N. and international human rights organizations have methods of uncovering at least approximate truths, even in such regimes.. It was guessed to be as high as perhaps three million before, the conservative figure is one million. The Uyghurs are certainly being forcibly used for China's very lucrative organ harvest and transplant industry as there are not enough judicial executions in China (that executes more than all the rest of the world combined with 47 crimes warranting the death penalty in China, 44 of them non violent, judicial outcomes - verdicts and sentences - decided in advance of trials by higher ranking ruling party officials for political - or, in this case, financial - purposes yielding a 99% conviction rate in all criminal trials) and the previously mass interned (some 20-25 years ago) Falun Gong having now aged past the ideal age for organ harvest of 27 years, and they are, of course, being used for the Chinese government's other very lucrative industry, slave labor to produce cheap, consumer goods for Walmart and other cut rate, U.S. retailers..

[@samliew6610]

The I MiO and at times they say 2 or even 3 millions in 'concentration camps, Genocide are totally BULLSHITS😂😂😂.

[@khtan585]

Please extend that freedom to J.Assange.

[@gregoryedwards9097]

EXACTLY

[@alanbgtan]

What happens to Assange is disgusting! Shame on US!!

[@aliceyingshan2725]

Julian Assange trusted the West to save him and his freedom. They did not. Edward Snowden did not trust in the West to save him and his freedom. He was right. In an age of global commerce where trust is so key to financial success, can the West preserve economic hegemony if it cannot prove to the world that it truly values freedom, meritocracy and success?

[@chriswong3972]

Coleman, you should visit China, walk around, talk to local people (cut away from the middleman English speaking media), visit Tier 1 and Tier 3 cities, travel deeper into the mainland, and then do the same in Taiwan. I guarantee you will come out with a whole new fresh perspective that will surprise yourself.

[@tommyharmon214]

I agree. These two should do a podcast abroad in China and do a deep dive into the culture.

[@dannytadashi4235]

Exactly I agreed your message 😃😃😃👍👍👍💕💕💕🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 love China 💕💕💕🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳 love Vietnam 💕💕💕💕🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺 love Russia

[@dnguyen787]

It is easy for you to say! Does communist China allow foreigners roaming freely everywhere in China, especially in Xinjiang?

[@flain283]

Looking over the comments on this video - Coleman absolutely should not go to China for his own safety.

[@dannytadashi4235]

@@flain283 Bulllshit, if anything America is the most GOD DAME dangerous place in the world and the most racist discriminatory country in the world period. Where as beautiful China always welcome humble foreigners and not a single foreigners ever got murder or rape who live in China while they enjoy the welcome them to stay and live there . Unlike many Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Filipino, Laotian, Cambodian, Thais and Indian got maimed ,attack , harassment , and rape all the time in your F*** up Imperialist Satan US of A country due to racism , discrimination, and THE WHITE SUPERIOR COMPLEX. In fact , many white and black and Middle eastern and many other Asian including Indian people live in China that they enjoy so much to stay there and many of them white American people don’t even want to go back their own country you idiot have been misinformation with your American bulllshit propaganda and misinformation and disinformation and indoctrination. Matter of fact, China is the most friendliest Country and the safest county in the world period . Talk to almost anything white or black People that they will tell you so HAHAHAHAHA LOL 😂😂😂😃😃😃😃👍👍👍👍👍👍 love China always💕💕💕💕🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 love Vietnam always 💕💕💕💕🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳 love Thailand always 💕💕💕💕🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭 and love Russia always 💕💕💕🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺!!!

[@gregoryedwards9097]

Woah I’m 26 minutes in and Coleman, you sound just like your typical Westerner, very confident on the information you’ve been given rather than trying to just learn more about the other side. She is very patient listening to your responses and continuously comparing China and US, with the US being on the higher ground in your opinion. Tell that to my mother 70 years old working at circle k and wal mart 7 days a week, or how most of us live pay check to pay check, or how inner city schools in Crenshaw that I tutor at are set up for failure and already determined who is likely going to jail or not. Tell that to the entertainment companies who used hip hop to negatively influence our youth, first starting with African Americans, and how they use it to further strengthen consumerism and delinquency. Freedom is a cousin to chaos, and the US is in crazy chaos. Look at the laws in San Francisco and how dangerous certain areas are. The WEST is the real problem.

[@pipatron]

"Europe has a strong state, but they don't have any crime." Well.... as a European... not quite accurate!

[@CubanSaIbangBansaSaVisayas]

Look like her or him never live in Denmark particular Copenhagen or Germany Berlin , even Sweden where crime sometime is like be in Brookings What happened is more save than USA bc Nobody can get so easy or buy Arms but their his a market of drugs and some time some shoots. Another things is their are racist but same time tolerant to no tell you in Ur face unless u piss off them 🤪😜😁🤣😂😇

[@atlwonderwoman99]

I think he was talking more about gun crimes. Everybody knows there’s crime there. Stabbings, assaults etc.

[@titaniumskunkogkush4365]

​@@atlwonderwoman99 he doesn't really know that much but that's okay though.

[@PeterSzeto-es6em]

That guy talks like an idiot.

[@4x4r974]

Europe simply does not have the level of crime the US does. Stop being delusional and look up yearly crime stats

[@EdScanlan-so1wz]

She so well-articulated and intelligent...

[@samsun01]

She also showed noble restraint against a dude who felt the need to 'justify' USA is better on every tiny little China advantage.

[@leafsnation82]

She is full of bullshit. Good on Coleman for challenging her on all the bullshit she is spuing

[@samsun01]

She makes this whitewashed midget look like a....midget.

[@nhactual06]

Intelligent! Yes. Articulated?

[@yongdeng1813]

Look Mr.coleman, i give u much credit for asking those legit questions and for the most part being unbiased. And your guest is being very nice in answering the questions the best she could without being too harsh. I just wanna comment on one topic u brought up even i do have a few i wanna answer in a way thats not as nice as Ms. Jin. In the arguement if china is the aggressor, thats really idiotic. The US has more than 100 military bases surrounding china and china has none anywhere close to the US mainland. For the record, the last time any country came close to doing it was USSR and Kennedy shut it down. Now imagine china is doing what the US is doing in the south china sea, lets just say off the coast of california, what u think the US is gonna do?! No, u dont have to answer that cuz we all know the answer. So this is exactly like do as i said not as i do kinda total BS! U simply looking at china from the western hegemony lens, and it is distorted. The US fought many wars the last 30 years and china fought none! It is time to put things in perspective and call the US what it is! The US is a imperial hegemon that is collasping and trying everything she can to mainatain the statue!

[@Andy-P]

China can sail it's warships under freedom of the sea's. Yes they should do it.

[@cinpeace353]

Lol, all those questions represent the bias views in the West. Too bad he was often elaborate and talking too much that she may actually lost track and forgot to correct him when answering the questions. 😅

[@jimmielee7778]

If US did not have a many military bases as it does right now, I guarantee you there will be more instances of countries invading other countries like Russia invading Ukraine. It may not be perfect, but don't undermine the stability the US military brings to the world

[@user-wj5dt2zm4m]

@@jimmielee7778 This is a typical hegemonic thinking."

[@Andy-P]

@@user-wj5dt2zm4m China claims all the SCS, Indian border area's and parts of Japan, and of course Taiwan. What would China do without those US bases?

[@aanchaallllllll]

0:36: 🇨🇳 Kay Eugene, a Chinese Economist, challenges the Western consensus on China, arguing that it has been misunderstood and unfairly villainized. 8:52: 📚 The Chinese government's historical roots and the century of humiliation shape its current approach to governance and international relations. 18:03: 🗣 The discussion highlights the differences between China and the US in terms of freedom, government monitoring, and social issues. 30:48: 📈 China's economy has evolved and is no longer reliant on old strategies, with the private sector driving growth and innovation. 33:35: 🇨🇳 China's government supports local entrepreneurs through various means, leading to successful innovation and economic growth. 41:40: 📉 China's declining birth rate and the impact of the one-child policy are causing concerns about the future of the economy and society. 49:33: 🌐 The speaker discusses the challenges faced by the younger generation in both China and the US, highlighting the need for government support. They also mention the complex dynamics between the US, China, Russia, and Taiwan, emphasizing the historical context and security considerations. 58:42: 🌍 The interviewee believes that peace is possible between China and Taiwan, and that provocations from both sides are dangerous. They also discuss the importance of Hong Kong as a financial hub and express cautious optimism for its future. Lastly, they address American anxieties about China's growing power. 1:06:52: ✅ The speaker argues for a competitive approach towards China rather than containment, emphasizing the benefits of collaboration and recognizing China's complexity. Recap by Tammy AI

[@ambition112]

Nicely done! thanks for saving my time! where you get this tool Tammy AI to recape this?

[@sinnieleeonUtube]

It's keyu Jin, pronounce like (Key-U Jin) NOT Kay Eugene. Duh !

[@user-lk4zn6rl5q]

As a Chinese American who spent 25 years each living in China and the US I found the host merely a product of western misinformation about China with questions raised utterly ignorant. I suggest Coleman to conduct his own research in China to verify the statements he presented to Ms. Jin. I am amazed how patient and articulate Ms. Jin in her answers. I am interested to debate Coleman with my personal observations of China and America.

[@tuw2528]

Coleman literally read a book about the China’s century of humiliation, you must have watched a different video you dummy 😂

[@joed6749]

Agreed. Coleman is a smart dude but like most Americans he is very ignorant of China, and mostly believes the US propaganda about Chinese/communist history.

[@4x4r974]

tell us about school stabbings in china as well as the insane domestic violence and racism rates. certainly since you lived there you must know a lot

[@titaniumskunkogkush4365]

​@@4x4r974 man... that's all you got? Let me guess Tibet, Xinjiang, stealing, Taiwan, south China Sea.... I hope you come from a country that's squeaky clean. If your country isn't squeaky clean, you better have the same hate for your government as you do the Chinese government. If not, you're a big hypocrite. No one should take you and your judgement and morals seriously.

[@MuLi-rv2is]

@@4x4r974 tell us about school shooting in America. as well as the insane domestic violence and racism rates. certainly since you lived there you must know a lot

[@alextang6988]

China's historical actions speak louder than any norm by the US and Western countries. Keyu Jin very well understands their own Chinese culture. Included those Chinese who have had migrated to western still keep their own culture until this day.

[@VSM101]

All Chinese culture was destoryed during the cultural revolution.

[@lampad4549]

Not really many Chinese immigrants 2nd generation onwards have very little in common with Chinese people.

[@psmorgan2542]

No they don’t, the CCP is revolutionary. China needs to be judged by its actions now.

[@alextang6988]

@@psmorgan2542 Just to make it more specific in terms of CCP. None of any outsiders can judge any that applied. So who provoked the world for the last two decades and including the proxy war in Ukraine. Iraq / Libia / Syria and Afghanistan in terms of UN/World order ??? And which Western countries are showing homogeny to flick the muscle in the blue ocean . Needless to say, creating all the mess for all migrants and refugees. Can you be gentle to speak out louder for every human being? Bet you judge this in your own conscience. Prove passion that will heal human nature beforehand. The boat will not rock in the blue ocean without a captain to stir the wheel that's my thought. Instead of picking one issue so call it a revolution. This quote is shameful to recall in all aspects. Cheers Mike

[@Andy-P]

When I see Chinese people who are born in the UK they are more influenced by western culture than Chinese. Even Chinese who were born in China. Agreed there are some who identify more with China and Chinese values & culture.

[@seekfunk3536]

She was trying very hard with secerety explaining China to someone who lacks basic knowledge about the country, and who was not ready to get rid of the western media fed concept about China. Tough job.

[@hyc1266]

The US/UK has done an excellent job to brainwash many people in the world for the last 70 years.

[@tongwu]

Lol we found a Chinese troll 🧌

[@whysguy3]

She does a standup job, avoiding any critical question.

[@user-vc5qk9tg7u]

sadly, you cannot reasoned with an uncle t0m, they are whiter than whites, their level of brainwashing is do deep, he's not gonna get it at all.

[@mistman5640]

The guy is a product of an American education. What do you expect?

[@yojimbo3681]

Keyu Jin is way too nice. Coleman's views were like mine growing up in America, believing all that anti-China kool aid. Here are some hard to swallow pills for western educated people: 1) The western world got rich not through democracy, but through colonialism. It was only after WWII that FDR tried to convince America's allies (UK & France) to let go of their colonies, but even they had a hard time doing so. France still tried to keep their Indochina (Vietnam) colony into the 1950s. America gave up the Philippines, but still kept Hawaii as a colony. But the western world didn't really give up their power. America, the sole survivor of WWII, implemented their US rules based world order, but it's really just US shadow empire building by using NGOs to find disaffected minorities in countries whose governments did not bend the knee to the US world order, and armed them to fight against their central government. So it's just shadow colonialism, but with extra steps. 2) Coleman believes the western political system is superior in both human rights and economic development. I used to think that way too. But why does America have the highest per capita prison inmates in the entire world? He says there's no comparison to what China is doing: locking up a million Uyghurs to Black Americans in prison. He's right: because what China was doing was a counter terrorism strategy. The 1 million Uyghurs is a made up number from western sources that were based on a handful of interviews. We don't know what the actual number of locked up extremists were, but according to AP News, most of the Uyghurs had already been released since 2021: *Source: AP News: Terror & tourism: Xinjiang eases its grip, but fear remains (2021) - Google it.* Now let's look at America's response to terrorism: 1 million Iraqis and Afghanis dead. That is the real comparison. Do the Uyghurs deserve better? Absolutely. And that is why the average Uyghur in Xinjiang is 3 times richer than the average Vietnamese. Can't say the same about the native Hawaiians that have been slowly genocided away under the US system. 3) Forced Technology Transfer: Another great talking point by US politicians. Except nothing is being "forced". US corporations willingly share a lot of their tech (Not all) with Chinese partner companies to make a profit in the China market. So far, US corporations are making money hand over fist in China. In fact, your 401k depends on China doing well. That's how much money your investments are making. If China does well, your retirement will do well. America also can't make anything anymore. This is not an exaggeration. US corporations have off shored, and will continue to off shore all manufacturing jobs out of America. If not to China, then to Mexico, to India, to Vietnam, etc. The NSA have also planted too many backdoors in Cisco routers around the world in the early 2000s. China learned from and also used similar NSA tools to enter US corporate networks. However, even with all this supposed corporate espionage, China could never compete with western established tech such as internal combustion automobiles. Japan and South Korea dominated that industry, China had no chance. But China did catch a break with EVs, that's why they're throwing the kitchen sink at new emergent tech, and just leapfrogging established tech like ICE vehicles. Huawei's 5G is another great example. China couldn't compete with established western 4G networks, so they just decided to leapfrog them instead. They had to do something what westerners didn't think China could: innovate. The west has a superiority complex though, they'll never admit China could innovate anything without their help. 4) Human Rights: You want to improve human rights? First, get rid of mass poverty. And that's exactly what China did: lifting 800 million Chinese out of extreme poverty through strong government support and economic backing. But what about freedom of speech? Coleman said you can say Let's Go Brandon, and still be free. Except not. Try taking a knee during the national anthem, you'll be canceled by the public. Lose your job. Lose your source of income. How is that freedom? Where are your protections from not losing your job? There is none. The only freedom the US government grants you is to be left alone, even if that means declaring bankruptcy. You're free to be bankrupt I guess. And that's an important point: When people talk about freedom, they usually always mean economic freedom: I want freedom to do the things I want to do in life. And that freedom, those opportunities, are less and less possible in America. But what about China? Wouldn't you get locked up? Actually, no. China has hundreds of protests all around the country. Remember the blank paper protests during the Covid Lockdowns? When hundreds of Chinese defied authorities by raising blank white pieces of paper? Literally a week later, China removed the lockdowns. What about Tiananmen Square in 1989? Didn't they send in the tanks? Yes, after mass rioting and violence broke out. And also that's exactly why Deng, the leader of China, lost his job. The leadership immediately replaced him with Jiang Zemin, who handled the Shanghai protests peacefully. But western media never mentions that, and pretends nothing has changed within the party. Again, western media always lies by omission. Today, you could even argue that the vast majority of the Chinese people have won because of all the changes that had happened in the past. 5) Hong Kong and Taiwan: The west keeps saying they lost Hong Kong because people couldn't protest there anymore. Except they weren't protesting, they were rioting. They said China locked Hong Kong down, except the killer still roams free in Hong Kong (The guy who killed his girlfriend in Taiwan and started this whole mess) because the city still doesn't have an extradition law in place with Taiwan, proving the 1 Country 2 Systems policy is still in place. Taiwan invasion: What Xi actually said was he will only use military force if a foreign power (The United States) tries to intervene. America has more to lose than China if Taiwan goes back. China would have TSMC and the 1st island chain. This is why America keeps pushing for some kind of conflict or war with China to happen in 2025. China has time on its side, it can wait as long as it needs to. America is the one that's running out of time. 6) Housing: Fact: US Homeownership rate: 66%. China Homeownership rate: 90%. America's the one with the housing crisis. The stories about China's "Ghost Cities" are often cherry picked for an anti-China narrative. In conclusion: The west fears China because it thinks it's a dictatorship, when in reality China bends to the will of its people. Go visit China. Try to live there for a year if possible. It's nothing like what the western media tries to portray it as. In America, you can change the leadership, but you can't change the policies. In China, you can't change the leadership, but you can change the policies. Hope that helps.

[@organizer14]

The Chinese tradition is meritocracy and priority on stability (freedom from crime, chaos, starvation, poverty and basic necessities.)

[@williamgarcia1909]

THE ADVANCEMENTS IN CHINA IS DUE TO ITS GOVERNMENT BEING A MERITOCRACY. ONLY THE TRULY CAPABLE N PATRITIC PERSONS R ELEVATED TO THE RULING CLASS.

[@rbc812]

Bullshit. The Chinese killed among themselves for thousand of years.

[@alantan9863]

In short, the communist party is the absolute monarchy, but every individual has the chance to climb up the political ladder instead of a single family.

[@BUSeixas11]

They haven't been very good at living up to those standards, have they?

[@howard49]

​@@BUSeixas11From what i have read and know about China they have done very well overall.

[@mariomastadon7650]

Taiwan issue: 90% of US army high-tech microchips are made in Taiwan. It's not about democracy...

[@pansaltman]

Ask the Taiwanese what it is abot

[@jamesmichaeljean7840]

​@@pansaltmanit's about keeping democracy. Nobody wants to be like China, a dictatorship.

[@Neuvari]

@@pansaltman the taiwanese was brainwashed by the ruling party, even from elementary they were already taught to hate the mainlander and differentiate themselves as a taiwanese, eventhough historically they are a chinese

[@qingzhou9983]

Third for the Chinese perspective on Human Rights, Coleman missed the issues. The proper comparison to PRC is India not Japan or South Korea. These two countries are small, single race, occupied by US hence enforcement of social stability with little cost. The biggest cost of the freedom and individual human rights, including minority rights, is always the Low Government Efficiency and ability. US is a clear example and India is another one. Even today with just 1/4 or US per capital GDP this low efficiency means life or death for hundreds of millions of people. So the comparison for Chinese citizens are the tens of thousands Americans die from drug abuse every year. The millions of Covid deaths. The danger of going out at night in big cities. The desperate situation of US poor with so much more resources etc. In short if you are elites, meaning you can pick any country to live, you will live US and it’s freedom. But if you are the Chinese Poor, you do not want to be in India or even US. And there are a lot more Poor than the Elites, especially in China.

[@Andy-P]

South Korea & Japan and free democratic countries. In face of China threats they choose to get closer to America

[@tchiwang3176]

Just to remind you guys Keyu Jin is a daughter of Jin Liqun who is a Chinese politician, banker, and professor. He is currently the President of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB).He was formerly the Chairman of China International Capital Corporation, the Vice President of the Asian Development Bank, and the Vice Minister of Finance of the People's Republic of China.

[@hunglukenguyen]

She avoided Hong Kong topic

[@chippy0101]

Most westerners do not really understand China inside and strategies they play with the West. Keyu Jin does great propaganda to promote China when they have been hiding all issues. Huge real estate problems are so big they could not hide any more. If Keyu Jin was a guy, would many westerners be convinced ?? Not trying to be sexual racist, there have too many young ladies from China playing different roles to penetrate into politics and economics areas in the West .

[@davidhlin3023]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGW0c2Ssnc6Jiq8si=frBYquDuWmDftR2y

[@buyungadil1]

So ?

[@RudyTruly]

Like father like daughter

[@PadraicLey56]

A lone voice in America, only if you ignore 1.4 billion people in China, another 1.4 in India, and their 4000 years of civilization. That is why America has kept getting China wrong for the last 30 years and may continue to do so.

[@etow8034]

If a simple American solider can predict this 66 years ago surely there are more Americans that are less ignorant ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXKZlXqcibJ_rqM

[@voice_from_pizza]

Ignoring them or ... helping them rise from poverty by giving them employment opportunities.

[@mikegray8776]

I’m not entirely sure of the point you’re making here. Certainly, America has a history of being brash and self-absorbed, however I fail to see why it should DEFER to older, more established civilisations - just because they are older. Both China and India once had enormous power, wealth and influence, then lost them, and are now in the process of regaining them. Both have huge moral/ethical shortcomings to address - which they are doing (slowly), impervious to outside pressure. America, on the other hand seems bizarrely to be engaged in a slow-motion suicide, ravaged from within by the intellectual stupidity of the most comfortable society in history - intent upon ideological civil war on as many insignificant fronts as possible.

[@Bhoetuk]

Chinese CCP kept getting wrong for the last 30 years and is still keep on getting wrong because of lack of confidence on other nations. There is no misunderstanding China by the west. China is not willing to be truthful and honest in every sphere of relation with other nation. It is the west who helped China to become what is she today. There is no culture in China today, there is only the rigid CCP narrative of nationalism. Now China should live with the Chinese characteristic of Xitlet’s thought.

[@voice_from_pizza]

@@mikegray8776 indeed, pockets of America are continuously engaged in ideological battles, and this will continue probably forever. But ideas are ideas, whereas wealth and food are wealth and food. Over all, we have an abundance of both, and a solid framework of expanding social programs to support folks in need. Regarding the “slow motion suicide”, if this continues (ie. if our life expectancy continues to trend downward for the next five or more years?) then America will have to do some serious soul-searching, on top of all the other soul-searching surrounding the big questions/problems we face, such as inflation, rising food costs, and ridiculously high rent prices across the nation.

[@happycamper0017]

I think a lot of the American get confused about being able to publicly humiliate your leader is being free. The key is did the leaders really changed the policies to benefit you? In China, party don't change but policies change; in America, parties change but policies don't change. American policies mainly benefits the rich and the powerful, the one percent.

[@cysiu4174]

Well said.

[@williamgarcia1909]

U R CORRECT. THAT IS WHY AMERICA IS IN DECLINE.

[@scottlewington8439]

American parties don’t change. Rebublicrats. Capitalists still almost completely dominate. Anybody who poses a threat gets the US ruling class coming down on their heads, without mercy!

[@jackielee224]

Absolutely right!

[@johnshackford]

The policies of all governments serve to benefit the government. Government is self serving and it doesn't matter which system you live under. Don't think so take a look at how hard status quo governments go after outsiders. You can see it plain as day with what they are doing to Trump. The commies use these tactics too The problem with the US is that we have drifted to far from what was laid out in our Constitution. We have given to much control to un-elected bureaucrats who write the laws that protect their grift and abuse of power. China doesn't have that problem because the mob runs the country and dissenters are silenced before they can create movement. That's the difference between the two countries folks need to read Chinese history and understand in Asian Cultures saving face is everything and honor among thieves which most socialists are is tantamount to religion.

[@gmanhan8305]

Great program. Sadly it’s not possible to change those people who believe only what they believe.

[@walhdamaskus2408]

U mean american 😂

[@rbc812]

People are not stupid to be lied easily by the CCP. The problem is the CCP.

[@colinroach7815]

Like yourself.

[@pompigogenocide_pigo4783]

Those people only believe in my PomPigO genocide fart. those people only bark my PigO fart.

[@paulwally9007]

Typical wu mao response.

[@jazening3075]

Thank you so very much Keyu Jin for taking your time to sharing and explaining the understanding of the Motherland, China that the Westerners does not seem to grasp or understand. We Chinese people are often times misunderstood by other Races and other Cultures in the World. I am deeply proud of my Chinese ethnicity, heritage & culture. I’ve lived here in Massachusetts, USA since 1981 and I am now an American citizen but I still don’t forget of who I am, as being Chinese individual, despite my American Citizenship. Even though I have been here in America since 1981 and I am comfortable and I am true to myself as a human being but I have never once ever forget that I am still a Chinese person, no matter how long I have lived in America. I do realized that there is a different in my way of thinking and I still don’t thinks like a Caucasian person. Bless the Motherland, China 10,000 years and Team China All the way!👍🙏🐲🐉🐼🌏🇨🇳🙂❗️

[@Nan-wg4mv]

To the Chinese, collective memories of the century humiliation by the West and Japan should not be forgotten, and remerbering it is just as important as the Jewish people and the black Americans not forgetting what they went through as peoples. Jin is a rare gem. She is one of the very few experts who can eloquent explain China to the West. She has just come out with book titled, THE NEW CHINA PLAYBOOK: BEYOND SOCIALISM AND CAPUTALISM.

[@MrJabertaz]

From the Philippines: until few years ago i was really excited of the rise of china as neighbors until the bullying from the coast guard becomes too much and using your fisherman as militia around east Philippine sea to harass our own. After having said that i think you should be more understanding to the Europeans and japanese now. And also you should learn from the Germans what is going to happen when you pissed off most of your neighbors.

[@minn.1]

No Chinese should ever forget the century humiliation by the West and unforgivable invasion by the Japanese who had killed so many millions of people.

[@minn.1]

@@MrJabertaz Looks like it is the Philippines who are giving up its sovereignty to the US and allowing US military to gain expanded access to Philippines bases in efforts to counter China. That could likely be the background of why there are recently more disputes between the Philippines and China in the South China Sea. Even other ASEAN member states are warning the Philippines not to be a lapdog of American hegemony.

[@computer-ot8si]

A few years ago, when China govt sill looked like Singapore govt, she can confidently say anything to defend for China as right wing ideology country only . But now, what China govt recently did has made her so embarrassed that she is hidden away from the public now.

[@minn.1]

@@computer-ot8si Making wrong assumptions will lead to wrong conclusions. How could you expect a huge and complex country like China, which has one of the oldest civilizations in history, to look like Singapore, a tiny little country with a small population? lol 😂 China will follow its own path, choose its own model of governance, and chart its own future, period.

[@Tube4mj]

A couple of words, stop watching Western MSM. I gave up watching TV in Australia approx. 14 years ago. I have not missed it, preferring to research instead. I felt if I was going to watch mostly BS, or fiction, I would rather watch a good drama with good actors. Travel and people to people exchanges to me is the best education. When we visited China, we were shocked it was not at all like what we had been conditioned to believe. We found China to be a very vibrant and friendly society. We are looking forward to visiting again in a couple of months time. We have also been to many other countries, including the US multiple times. Thank you for providing this interesting conversion.

[@NicoleTedesco]

I worked for a Chinese company in Shanghai in the early 2010s for a couple of years. You are right, there is nothing like spending time in a place and to see things with your own eyes, good and bad. My time living there will never be forgotten!

[@frankm6218]

I did the same - quit watching western media from over ten years ago. It was insult to my intelligence to watch bbc, cnn, cbc, …

[@mistman5640]

Ditto. I stopped watching English language news. Because it got so exhausting to decode everything, think about what is being told, and why.

[@geezer2365]

propaganda is worse in australia than any country because of rupert murdoch owns all your media. the motherfucker is one of the most evil humans in all of history.

[@oceantree5000]

Because media in languages other than English- particularly that in simplified-character Mandarin- is fully transparent and reliable. No propaganda here!

[@scarlion2101]

A calm and intelligent interview, at least I learnt a few things which are not normally shared in any US media, great job Coleman!

[@jennylee685]

He still holds some misconceptions about China

[@twood2032]

@@jennylee685 Some misconceptions? He already made up his mind on what type of country China is based on his own limited information and western lies. Time after time, the west lie about China gets exposed and people like him just continue down that path believing them to be the facts. Sometime people have this need to believe they are right even though they are so wrong, just like those people who bet on China's collapse, even though they are wrong for 50 years and yet they still believe it's coming. This is what classical conditioning can do to an animal, human is no different.

[@purplenaturellc733]

She’s bias and defensive. Sounds like insecurities.

[@amunra5330]

@@purplenaturellc733FYI The title of the podcast is” In defense of China” ……so she was doing what she was invited to do. Not very bright are you?

[@purplenaturellc733]

@@amunra5330 Einstein, it took you a month to came up with this cheesy one liner insults? Lmao 🤣

[@lawrencel2544]

I totally agree with her about how the West would only narrow focused on the issue of the Uyghurs as a way to villainized China but irgnores the progress of what China have done for the majority of its people.

[@wyz9815]

Talking about human rights, only with just over 10 years without laughing wars among its 200+ years history, and droping dozen of bombs DAILY onto people of other countries, US is the last country in this world to have any rights to talk about them. Except projecting their own deeds totally onto others, it seems that American don't have any idea about FACTS and LOGIC, and American are the most brainwashed people I have ever known for they can just swallow lies with rediculous logics uncritically, pathetic! Go to China and Xinjiang yourself to check the facts with your eyes!

[@josehawking5293]

Wait a couple years.🤔

[@theGreatsinner]

So we must ignore them because they are just minority Because they have huge progress So killing minority people is not big issue

[@MuLi-rv2is]

@@josehawking5293 People say this since 1989 .have a look at China now .

[@boxing5818]

I came to the United States in 1992 looking for the so called democracy, freedom, rule of law. Only find out what the reality is. The “democracy” produces government and officials within the set construct of the elites, serves the elites, careless about the mass majorities. The “freedom” is to the well protected, politically correct opportunists. If what you say or do threatens the interests of the elites. You will be shutdown! The “rule of law” let the real criminals walk away, let a cop kill a black man with his knee in bright daylight while others watching… And yet Coleman say it is better than the Chinese society where the government’s highest priority is to solve issues matter to the mass majorities instead of serving the small elite class only. How ignorant can you be?

[@phillipchan6044]

I am surprised that the issue on uyghurs are still talked about and that Keyu Jin not being able to give a satisfactory answer. Several you tubers had proven it to be a manufactured issue. First, the one million figure was made up by a so called "expert" with questionable background the actual number is much less, his claims had been proven wrong over and over by many, including Muslims around the world. Secondly, the incarceration was on extremist that even the US identified as terrorist, it was Mike Pompeo that took them off the terrorist list to fit the narrative that the state department was trying to drive at that time. The borders of Xinjiang had never been closed, if people in that region were really afraid, why aren't they leaving xinjiang in droves? There was a documentary made in China that BBC actually took the image and dubbed the original conversations with totally a different content to distort the story, that's how disingenuous the western media can be.

[@ahkoy973]

You summed it up nicely

[@williamgarcia1909]

U R ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

[@4x4r974]

how can it be "made up" when China itself ADMITS it is totally real? Did you end up believeing the propaganda and haven't caught up with the latest talking points? Now they are "re-education schools" to make people "productive". The way they make them productive is by force-feeding them pork and alcohol. Those jailed did not go through ANY legal process AT ALL. Afterwards they have apps on their phones for police to access all their contents, at any time. Han men were brought into Uyghur homes. Their birth rates have plummeted and we KNOW a lot of their kids were given off to boarding schools, cutting contact between parents and kids FOREVER. Relatives of these people abroad also confirm of people's disapperances. Also, we have leaked CCP documents of mass-hiring of guards and building of these concentration camps. They reflect very well the very high number of detainees we know about. Even those that go to Xinjiang to 'prove' nothing is happening cannot hide the countless checkpoints and arbitrary police abuses. In your own comment you seem to operate between the 2 propaganda talking points: It is fake but it is not fake because 'terrorism'. Newflash, Xinjiang did NOT have 1 million terrorists worthy of being thrown into camps without due process.

[@user-nw1vv5pv7g]

The moment this guy in the interview started talking about the incarceration of Uyghurs, I knew he has zero knowledge about the China

[@MsOceanstar]

@@user-nw1vv5pv7g you are absolutely right! Too bad Keyu Jin didn’t get into that, thus seemingly agreeing to this false “fact”

[@dsliao888]

We need more educated, sensible, non political conversations such as this in our news media and less by the politicians.

[@laughoutloud3404]

Getting it wrong? MotherF*cker - Biden is INTENTIONALLY PAYING MONEY FOR PROPAGANDA!

[@voice_from_pizza]

PRC needs more sensible, political conversations within their borders, but they’re illegal. Lol.

[@aldoe2975]

There is no money in that and americans are generally too stupid to perceive nuance.

[@trustmeiknow1]

Only one side sounded educated to be honest. Coleman just talked about his feelings and repeated exactly what you’d expect from the MSM narrative

[@lienhuongdierker5438]

I agree. It’s biased…. Should we trust communist?

[@rto7294]

Both Coleman and Keyu are excellent speakers. That was a vast of complex topics the show tried to cover, clearly that'sjust not possible. Coleman although tried to be a neutral unbiased host but shallow on international relation and also a "victim" of western media as many of his information simply fetched from mainstream medias. i.e. Taiwan is part of China the US agreed to it. XinJiang is not an issue as the West stated, it's simply a propaganda by the US just as many propaganda it has done elsewhere. Lastly, democracy is NOT the only way of governing. There're good and bad on all systems so do NOT expecting to mould other into yours. Just as any families, take care of your own before worry of others. USA needed to Stop interfere with other countries as it had in the past and proven to be fatal and destructive. The world can be better and peace is possible with the USA stops nosing around.

[@jeffreyoneill4082]

Sounds like the little pink is not happy. It's fun watching the housing banking crisis in China progress like a slow car crash.

[@user-mq8sj8ky2q]

中国不打探？你说说那个国家不打探，大使是干麻的？不打探汽球飘到别人国家上空干麻，好玩吗？

[@hyc1266]

@@user-mq8sj8ky2q There are satellites up in the space. Why China needs to use a low tech weather balloon to spy? Use your brain born with you to think. There were extraordinary strong winds surrounding US during the time when the China weather balloon was drifted into US air space. Do you know that there are limited navigation control of these weather balloons, especially during bad weather? Do you know that there was a severe train derailment in Ohio US which leaked harmful chemical into the environment? US news didn't report much about it to the public and was using the strayed weather balloon to distract public attention to the chemical leaks.

[@patriot1564]

What are you talking about ? AI talking?

[@guilmarperez4674]

​@@user-mq8sj8ky2qI remember a simple weather balloon had most of Americans shite their pants lol

[@Kentalot]

Even though the host is super propagandized by western education and media, i appreciate that he keeps a relatively open mind insofar as giving her a platform, letting her speak, and asking questions out of curiosity. That being said, i don't think he actually changed any of his opinions, unfortunately. But maybe over time he might realize how much propaganda that he is believing and parroting. There's always hope.

[@seiko1498]

Super propagandized by western … = wrong in nature. What a magic world🎉

[@bmgmusa07]

China will be tamed by world powers and not just western.🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@Elrobin6072]

Most African American really believe white European Americans tell them

[@jerrylee1682]

You r a kind person, I agree with your perspective, every soul has good intention but the mind must be opened to critical thinking before forming any conclusion.

[@alanweiss1288]

the host is definitely propagandized and brainwashed by western media, so obvious just by listening to his opening statement!!

[@mariomastadon7650]

It's nice to hear someone that actually knows China.Too many times you hear "experts" that micro-select points/facts to support their ideological narrative, to re-affirm the things they've heard. China has to be looked at from a macro level by people that truly know or have spent a lot of time in China.

[@1DangerMouse1]

You think she's not doing that?

[@mariomastadon7650]

@@1DangerMouse1 For someone who has lived in China for 20 years, she speaks a lot of truth, truths that you can only see from within China. She's not pushing an ideological view, she's giving you an insight into a country that's not an open book. e.g. criticism of the govt is happening, and welcomed by the Politburo because it helps keep China a meritocracy. There are two many "experts" out there that have read some books, had a two-week holiday, seen Beijing, made some comparisons, and are now experts, kind of like mainstream media panelists that are in their late 20's but are geopolitical "analysts"(more like actors pushing the networks ideology）

[@williamgarcia1909]

I AGREE WITH U 100%!

[@4x4r974]

@@mariomastadon7650 Of course she is pushing an ideological view. The entire Chinese system, and her talking points, are 100% structured in a way to be opposed to the US/ Western system. All her arguments basically boil down to "yes, but in the US x and y is worse'. If she or the Chinese really cared about violence/ school shooting in the US then they would make up a fuss about the countless school stabbings in China. But no, these 'humiliate China' so they are virtually censored or only written about by those with verified ticks on weibo.

[@mariomastadon7650]

​@@4x4r974 They fixed the school stabbings problem with extra security. Our schools have drills once a week on how to defend against a knife attack. Many schools will have police presence when school is let out. I see it, I live here!!! She can only compare the US to China because she lives in the US and is speaking to a US audience and also, it's the US that is accusing China of everything under the sun. If you actually take notice, the Chinese have made many statements telling the US to stay out of domestic issues in China, it's none of their business. The Chinese don't stick their noses into US domestic issues. Keyu Jin is not a Chinese government official and has a right to her own opinion. She is giving you a GOOD insight into China. If you choose to not listen because your brain has been trained by Western media to not listen to the other side, then don't OR if you have been brainwashed to think that anything that is not American is anti-American and must be wiped out, then so be it. Just continue to perpetuate the misunderstandings and let's head into WW3. China isn't going anywhere and the rest of the 85% of the world which is not Western is breaking away from the US uni-polar world to have a multi-polar world.

[@billchua3544]

From 1930 till 1945 Japan massacred 30-40 million civilians , refused to apologies & instead in a state of denial. Unit 731 Japanese chemical warfare unit used Chinese civilians in Manchuria as guinea pigs. USA took all the shocking murders & kept all the Lab results & forgive Japan. This sort of humiliation can never be forgiven.

[@williamgarcia1909]

THE IMPERIAL JAPANESE SOLDERS WERE THE MOST CRUEL. THEY ACTIVE LIKE ANIMALS WITHOUT CONSCIENCE! MAY THEIR SOULS BURN IN HELL!

[@4x4r974]

And who was saving the Chinese civilians? WESTERNERS! But they are never thanked.

[@rbc812]

Your ancient ancestors killed each other in wars. They practiced mass massacre and torture. Did you forgive them? Mao's stupid Great Leap Forward policy had destroyed 30 million people, why do the Chinese still treat him like God? The Russians killed so many Chinese and took away a piece of land that is equivalent to 45 times the size of Taiwan, yet the Chinese keep quiet. Why must you forgive the Russian and treat Putin like your master? Beside supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine that resulted many deaths, the Chinese still expect the Ukraine to give up their land. Are the Chinese mentally sick or what? How about the spreading of Covid 19 that led to 7 million people died worldwide? Japan had changed, it is a model country your country should learn from.

[@seiko1498]

In what way were you humiliated? How could they make it right for you?

[@BUSeixas11]

Mao massacred 40 million Chinese people. This sort of humiliation can never be forgiven.

[@NicolasSauveur]

Humility, empathy and understanding would go a long way to avoid tensions, conflicts and wars.

[@fs5775]

humility and empathy and understanding are completely antithetical to the CCP if you pay attention to their actions. we have bipartisan support on that for very good reason.

[@NicolasSauveur]

@@fs5775 You had bipartisan support on Iraq. Bipartisan support can be a sign of a healthy democracy where parties don't stick to partisan fighting, as they do in the US 99% of the time. It can also be a sign of a democracy driven by emotions and propaganda.

[@NicolasSauveur]

@@fs5775 As for China not showing humility... China is not the one telling the world how to run their affairs. The West is. The West thinks they are the model for everyone to follow. As a matter of fact, China officially states that their system fits Chinese culture and would not necessarily fit other cultures.

[@jamesl.o.h.6000]

Dr. Keyu is a highly knowledgeable and humble scholar and expert. I have followed and watched several of her talks and she really did a lot of explanations to convince the facts of china to many people and audiences in various countries. It's a challenging work. I know this kind of work is not easy and it sure is very tiring to keep explaning and clarify so many issues against all the misinformation and malicious atracks and false information out there against China as many knows. I have great admiration for her knowledge and as a beautiful human being. I really emphasize with her challenges. Most of all she is so cool always and patient. God bless you Dr. Keyu.

[@patriot1564]

You were misinformed by a CCP’s propaganda.

[@joed6749]

She is great. China's future looks very bright, unlike that of Western countries.

[@cabasadefogo9533]

Great interview. Some quick points to add to this discussion. 1) According to most social historians such as Peter Turchin author of End Times. Most cultures have a what he calls genetic tendency that is given to them by their ancestors due to unique historical or cultural traditions. In the case of China, she has reverted back to a 2500 yrs tradition of meritocratic mandarin bureaucracy. New members to CPC are selected only from college grads and only after they have passed what is essentially a high level IQ test. Every member of the current Politburo have advanced degrees including Xi who has a degree in Chemical Engineering. Many historians also states that the CPC should be called the Confucius Party of China instead of the Communist Party of China. 2) Xinjing. Historically for 2000 years it is a mixed diverse area. Populated by Hans, Uyghurs, Kazaks, Uzbeks, Mongols, Tartars. In Xinjing unlike here in the states, all school lessons are taught in local language and mandarin Chinese. All signs are in 3 languages, Uyghurs, Chinese and English. The whole 1 million jailed figure has been thoroughly proven false. That figure was put forward by the a group funded by CIA and extrapolated from interviewing 8, yes 8 individuals. In the age of satellites, no evidence of ppl being bused in, prisoners in yards, or any other evidence presented. 2nd person to push this idea is Adrian Zenz, a self proclaimed born again Christian who states God gave him a mission to destroy Communist China. In the last 30 yrs, Uyghur population has doubled compared to Han. This must be the first genocide where the victim numbers are actually increasing. And, this is the only genocide where the region actively advertise for tourism around the world. Where you can travel freely and go sight seeing. 3) Tibet. The tibetan ppl and Han Chinese has had close, interlapping relations since the very beginning. The 2 languages are related, called the Sino Tibetan languages. In dynastic times, there has been numerous intermarriages of royalties. Most recently Tibet came under China's rule in the late 1600's when the ruling elite in Tibet requested Qing China's help in repelling mongol invasion. Since then Tibet became an autonomous region of Qing Dynasty. After the Chinese civil war, Mao reasserted this old relationship. But instead under India and USA influence the ruling lamas instigated an armed rebellion. This was why Mao sent in troops. All this you can find via google search. In recent times, Tibet has enjoyed amazing economic development curtesy of the central government. GDP is exploding, quality of life sky rocketing, modern infrastructure everywhere. Not to mention that under the religious Lamas, most Tibetans were living as slaves/serfs.

[@hyc1266]

The previous ruling lamas in Tibet were slave owners and treated all Tibetans as serfs.

[@CH-jl5sw]

true

[@MelGibsonFan]

+10 social credit for you.

[@oliveryb]

@@MelGibsonFan social credit DID Not existing, you fool! I lived in China, Shanghai for decades, so where are you coming from? How long you stayed in China, or never?

[@jinniwind]

Well said. Adding some points to your points above: 1. To be able to get qualified as one of the top leaders, one needs to climb from below and prove that he’s capable. For example, one needs to be able to lead one of the biggest cities in the province well, to be qualified for a provincial leader. Same goes to the president and the 8 senior members. They need to demonstrate their capabilities and experience by successfully leading a big province with population more than 100 million. Plus, no one can be promoted in his home province, to avoid potential corruptions and abuse of the power due to deep rooted network one might have in his/her home province. 2. Xinjiang. In fact minorities in china have more perks than Han, so Han people always joke that they are at the bottom of the society. Minorities used to NOT NEED to learn mandarin, and they can opt to have classes and exams in their own language. I personally know minorities who took university entrance exams in their own languages, although some of them can speak perfect mandarin. This old policy introduced many problems, as most of the best universities in china teach in mandarin,these minority kids aren’t able to learn as much due to language barriers. Mandarin at this stage becomes mandatory and they do get mandarin classes, but we all know that it’s way easier to learn languages when you are younger. Also, as china’s economy picked up , technology advancement, and infrastructure improvement, the whole country has become more connected. With Tao bao(Chinese Amazon) and other online tools, people can directly sell their stuff to anywhere. The language barrier became a major blocker for minorities to be integrated into this economy model, and many of them had to learn at much older age so that they can set up their shops and communicate with their customers. Hence, china changed the policy and made mandarin mandatory, while keep their native languages. So now the classes are taught in either language, depending on the subject. China never banned any native language. 3. Tibet. Right before Dalaï and the slave owners were about to reach an agreement with Chinese government, cia approached to them and convinced them to flee. That’s when the “Tibet oppression “ lie began. They failed to tell everyone that these people are slave owners and are cruel to their people. Also, Back in the days , Tibet didn’t have any modern amenities, no electricity , no nothing. No schooling no science. Slave owners own slaves and their children and grandchildren. They can do anything to the slaves. There are lamps made out of human skin, soccer balls made out of human skull, and decorations made out of kids’ femur bones. CIA also orchestrated a so called riot, by giving the Tibetan people dalai’s pee. Yes you heard it right. Dalaï told the people that his piss can make people live forever and cure their illness, some bullshit like that, so cia was giving people pee in exchange of rioting for dalaï. If it’s really dalai’s pee or those agents own pee, who knows, one would never be able to figure it out. Anyways, most of the tibetans were extremely grateful that they are not someone’s slaves anymore, they are their own men, with their own properties and lands. There are still tibetans who have chairman mao’s portrait up on their walls, although it’s something Han people stopped doing decades ago. Nowadays, the local officials and teachers are still investing lots of time and efforts convincing the parents to send their kids to school, so that they can learn science and stuff, and will never be fooled like that anymore. Some Tibetan parents don’t see the importance of education,and with booming tourism, they think their kids can already make lots of money, hence the effort said earlier from officials.

[@yuehanslam1593]

I have given this simple example out many times, maybe this may help many people to understand why China is different and has to be different. The US ( or Japan, or any of the Western country he cited ) is like a family with 1 or 2 kids and China is like a family with 12 or 15 kids. Under these 2 different scenarios you just cannot have the same system for both. It will just not work. The family with 10 kids need more discipline, more rules ,more parental interventions. On the other hand, in the smaller family, the kids can have more freedom, more say and probably will be more spoilt. If the 10 kids are given full freedom to decide, there will just be chaos in the house, constant fightings and what not.

[@user-mq8sj8ky2q]

不同的系统？你要搞清楚，是你要加入别人的系统，（世贸． 世卫等）加入以前你不知道別人是什么系统？加入以后你是不是要尊守承诺？加入世贸是要求国家是自由贸易市场．中国不是，让你加入是你承诺经济好了以进行改革，2015年在世贸打官司，判中国不是自由贸易市场。希望中国改进，为什么不改进？你不改可以，你是不是可以退出？这样你不就不受管制了。为什么占了便宜，不但不改，还想要别人依着你，想什么呢？如果你真强大自已组团，离开你不喜欢的地方。有这能力吗？要别人了解你，你试着理解别人了吗？

[@MattsFikezolo-lo7wq]

The USA and China are two different societies; in the USA the individual right comes first whereas in Chinese society the collective has priority.

[@yuehanslam1593]

@@MattsFikezolo-lo7wq Glad you understood my example perfectly

[@hyc1266]

@@user-mq8sj8ky2q You are more brainwashed than most westerners. Why China has to continue be bullied by the west? More than hundred years of humiliation is already too much. You need to learn more about some real china history before you talk.

[@user-vc5qk9tg7u]

sadly for many propagandized dumbmerkans, they are gonna struggle, a nation fed on McD and AGT, celeb and trillionaire worship, they are never gonna get it, which is why they are easily led to war after war and masqueraded as "freed0m" even though many amarikans can't feed themselves nor have a home, and no healhcare.

[@seasonedpeople5472]

Trying to tell the facts of China to an interviewer who knows nothing about China is imposible. But sadly though most Westerns think their knowledge about China is real and correct. Xinjiang stories, Hong Kong human right stories has been debunked again and again so many times, the guy is still talking about it....

[@wheresrumgone4971]

America has the worst education system in the world so they are ignorant or brainwashed wich makes them easier to control .

[@209Richsta]

Lol agreed. Here in the West when they talk about they Uyghurs in the media, the dont show all the terrorist attacks in Xinjiang and Beijing. CCP arent the friendliest government regime, but I highly doubt the US or the West allow the same thing to go on.

[@josehawking5293]

Everything is in terms of dynasty, and the heavy hand of the Hans. Out of those 4000 years she speaks of, China makes up 800 years total and only after bloody wars not unlike China in the first half of last century when another dynasty appeared, the communists. Another characteristic is power from the top down. Their economic ‘miracle’ consisted of western know how that they either got legitimately or theft. Taiwan is not China, with the exception of Chinese nationalists who escaped to the island. As far as social programs, the Chinese worker is on his own. And their ability to innovate is propaganda. As far as the Opium War. Most people only se the Chinese side with no further enquiry. And their new leader, like virtually all previous leaders is an autocratic dictator. And demographically speaking, their are half as many 5 year olds as 10 year olds. China has a long history of one dynasty after another, violently gaining empire before disintegrating into chaos. Within the ten years China again will disintegrate. A nasty tradition of conquest, consolidation and disintegration. It’s the Chinese way.

[@hyc1266]

@@josehawking5293 When gov't failed to serve its people, Chinese will rebel and install a new gov't. That's as simple as that. So there is no need for the US/west to worry about people in China. Supportive rate of the CPC gov't by its people is about 90%, which means CPC is serving its people and country very well as of today.

[@fs5775]

If I have a negative view of China based on my "real and correct" experiences of living there for 2 years do I "know nothing" about China?? Curious. I will never return to that hell hole country. I pity Chinese people daily who are treated like cattle.

[@justmyopinion9883]

Advice to Coleman: The next time you invite a person to your podcast, make sure you know as much about their country/govt as they know about yours. Do your homework. This lady knows the weak points of the USA and can articulate them. You, Coleman, couldn’t articulate your points against China quite as well. It was still a great interview. 😊

[@gg_rider]

Coleman countered the argument that America is a racist hellhole of police state violence against oppressed minorities, despite the fact that TOP US POLITICAL LEADERS ANNOUNCED THIS AS FACT.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Good point. That said, it's obviously alot easier to learn about the the US government vs China.

[@JamesVytas]

I want to see someone really pin her down on her claims about the CCPs virtues and expose the propaganda for what it is and reality of political life in China.

[@daffyduck4674]

@@JamesVytasIt’s interesting to observe how much more sophisticated this kind of propaganda is than in the days of Mao or the Soviet Union. In terms of how articulate she is and her ability to speak in the language a Western audience gets, the ability to make what sound like concessions to critics and the superficially appealing moral equivalence comparisons to the faults in Western societies. I can see why unlike the old days when only the far left every really fell for it, these days a lot more people are willing to think she’s talking sense or even speaking the truth. I think the decline in trust in Western politicians and Western media has a lot to do with it.

[@enzoh7763]

​@James Kapociunas ,, Pin the guest down with virtues of CCP's ? Let me guess ,, you are a EXPERT on this field, of knowing CCP's virtue ? - Sad to say ,, first mistake, , Its not CCP,, its CPC . And i like to hear more of your expertise, so that we could all learn from your expert knowledge . - 50+ yrs ago,, i was always in discussion and exchange of idea's and merits of marxism and leninism, socialism , fascism and capitalism .. It went no where, because everybody is DUG-IN in their belief of which system is better . Kid you not, 50+ yrs later , i regret, i was extolling the virtue of democratic capitalist like the US . Lucky me , all my ideas sparring mate have gone to greener pastures - maybe i was left to see the debris of my belief , , Just as murderous as any system , just as brutal when you peel off the superficiality of its deceptions. - Back to you, You must be a person of EXCEPTIONAL virtue . Ha ha ha . Maybe you need to have a name change , , Perhap ,, mr perfect is appropriate .

[@saxmaniac6321]

As a host, it would probably be wise to inform oneself of the issues raised by oneself before the interview…rather than stumble through it 🤭 Keyu Jin did a remarkable job of walking a tightrope raised above both American and Chinese audiences 😅

[@palmpalm5131]

That’s a polite way to say the host was ignorant and incompetent and I totally agree. How did someone like that do a Ted talk? I’ll be sure not to watch it.

[@trustmeiknow1]

Yes just asserting their feelings drawn upon extensive consumption of Mainstream media. The confidence and lack of deference to someone with actual expertise is unbelievable actually.

[@chuzai2156]

One thing need to know, Keyu Jin's father is China's former vice minister of Finance. So you can bet by yourself of her position and credibility.

[@LowenKM]

Yep, there seems to be a recent increase in the pro-China 'apologists', as well as the online 'Little Pinks'. Though curiously they can never explain why China also so many heated 'border disputes' with all its _neighbors,_ like Bhutan, India, Tibet, Japan, Vietnam, and of course Taiwan.

[@rogerchenny6129]

So what?

[@klowen7778]

Yep, and she's all the more credible judging by the number of 'Little Pinks' showing up in the comments section! ;-p

[@samaval9920]

As, see Michae Hudson, Richard Wolf, Vijay Prashad, etc,

[@miriamtiuseco2nd]

The chinese will be grateful that they have a very eloquent person to speak on their behalf, thanks for the status and position of her father ,where she could get a western education to become what she is today.

[@jjc4232]

I gave this video a like because she did quite a good job by staying calm and collective. The host obliviously had never been to China. He is so naive and green . 😊

[@palmpalm5131]

And ignorant. Even when she explains, he is resistant to the information. He doesn’t believe her but she is the expert and he is not. Also, this guy keeps asking about Uyghurs. Max B from Grayzone is an award winning journalist. Look up his jaw dropping reports on that.

[@michaeltse321]

What happens when you spend yeaars being brainwashed by main stream media and you government. You live in a dystopia with warped sense reality - lol

[@whysguy3]

The century of humiliation is not taught in Chinese history, classes, Chinese communist party as take it upon themselves to remove any part of history that shows that Chinese people were subjugated and does not show the Chinese people as powerful. 13:41

[@tonyleong8637]

Agreed he seems to be an idiot on China...wonder how a talk host like him can have any success...

[@patriot1564]

@@palmpalm5131 Nobody believes China expert, that’s a joke.

[@TauLim]

Coleman should also interview Scott Ritter (Russia Ukeraine) and Daniel Dumbrill (China Taiwan US) to get a more balanced views for his audience.

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

Daniel dumbrill another ccp propogandist

[@VL-inquisitor]

I agree with the comments below suggesting people should go to China and have a deep-dive into various aspects of China and see things with your own eyes. This is a minimum requirement in order to gain a better understanding of China and its people. In addition to 'a century of humiliaton', you should also familiarize with these terms / statements if you were to appreciate what China is 'humanity with a shared future - 人類命運共同體', 'mutual respect for one another's sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual non-aggression, mutual non-interference in each other’s internal affairs, equality and mutual benefit, and peaceful coexistence - 相互尊重主權和領土完整，互不侵犯，互不干涉內政，平等互利，和平共處'. Plus, I am extremely sad to see the suppresson of peaceful student protests in America, pleading for a ceasefire in Gaza on humanitarian considerations. Yet the whole movement is now framed as anti-semitism and an act promptly enacted to enpower law and enforcement to crackdown such protects. If any, American democracy is the most undemocratic political system in the world.

[@OppoA17k-uy7qg]

Kudos to Cokeman for hosting this excellent program featuring the brilluant Prof Keyu Jin, a reniwned Chinese economist. After listening to Keyu Jin's enlightening comment on China's economy and the US-China relations, I am convinced that the title of this interview should be changed to: China should be praised for her great role in bringing economic prosperity and peace not only to China but also the whole world! Cheers!

[@Liminghwa]

According to Reuters report on Oct 2021, Chinese President Xi Jinping vowed on Saturday to achieve "peaceful reunification" with Taiwan, and did not directly mention the use of force after a week of tensions with the Chinese-claimed island that sparked international concern.

[@Zagy21]

No one: Absolutely no one: Keyu Jin: Vibrant. Very Vibrant.

[@iamsheep]

I’ve heard that from numerous Westerners who worked in China

[@nikki088]

Maybe to a western person subjected to only negative news and biases, it seems like no one. Many people around the world see a bigger picture. Your comment only shows your ignorance, biases based potentially in racism, and an unwillingness to learn.

[@qingzhou9983]

Dr Jin is clearly extremely strong on economic issues, her expertise. But she did not address several political and philosophical issues head-on.

[@amunra5330]

That is correct - because Professor Jin is not a political scientist.........

[@jeffzhang3461]

What I said in my previous comment, Professor Jin should be full aware. Yet why she said what she said, is up to the audience to judge. // A little bit of her family’s background: Jim’s father was formerly the vice minister of Ministry of Finance of China (= U.S. Vice Secretary of Dept of Treasury). Wikipedia: 【生于北京，父亲是前财政部副部长金立群】Born in Beijing. Her father’s name is JIN Liqun, former Vice Minister of Ministry of Finance 】

[@jackycheong2892]

She is intelligent smart and confident lady

[@organizer14]

Good point emotional understanding - slavery and opium war

[@dianetx9501]

I don't even think she believes most of what she’s promoting here. Without looking into her background, few observations: 1) those can come to study in the US in 1997 when she was only 14, speaks to EXTRAORDINARY privileges that only the families belonging to the core government groups have access to. 2) the standard rebuttal when it cien to human rights, is always “…let’s look at US, what about your black peoples… what about the gun control issue…” Coleman is actually pretty smart to see through her. To me, she is clearly nothing but another government mouthpiece.

[@fs5775]

nailed it. someone is using critical thinking skills here, thank god

[@fongponto]

american tears apart the chinese car industry kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnfKhISIerukq5osi=xB6SXZDM9Yxghqej

[@NachtmahrNebenan]

Now that is a topic! The world is changing and this is happening really fast. I will listen to it on the podcast later - it's too important not to.

[@lavendereucalyptus3225]

I encourage everyone to first understand how international trades and economy work, then you’ll understand what shapes the landscape of international geopolitics. Keep in mind, most all wars fought for ECONOMIC conflicts, yes, that includes American Civil War (the BS version of dishonest historian tell you ACW is to free slavery 🥴）and the Opium War waged by the British on China. Current Cold War against China waged by U.S. is also motivated for economic competitiveness. If you are serious about learning the geopolitics of a changing world, I would suggest to give a listen to the following channels to stay properly informed: Geopolitical Economy Reports with Ben Norton BreakThrough News with Rania Khalek and Brian Becker The New Atlas with Brian Berletic

[@4x4r974]

China's war against tibet, vietnam, mongolia and xinjiang are also economic

[@ralphzoombeenie2330]

Good to hear I'm not alone in trying to counter the re-incarnation of WMD bs aimed at China.

[@hyc1266]

@@4x4r974 Tibet and Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia are part of China. China had helped Vietnam from US invasion.

[@lavendereucalyptus3225]

@@4x4r974 Tibet and Xinjiang are within China’s territory, China did not ‘wage war’ against them, China was fighting internal insurrection and terrorist which was partly instigated by U.S. CIA in attempt to create instability inside China. Yes, US’s motivation is to peruse US imperial playbook, divide and conquer. Vietnam invaded Cambodia first, and threatened China’s border security, China has to deploy troops to push the Vietnamese back into its own territory, once the goal was achieved, China withdrew her troops right away. It was never intended to invade and take land, it was an preeminent defense from the Chinese side. I hope you take your history lesson more seriously, rather than just consume disinformation and pseudo history.

[@kenny0626]

At the end of the day, most people believe what they want to believe, but this is such a great conversation that hopefully would open a lot of people’s mind. Too bad Keyu didn’t seem to get a chance to dive into Russian Ukraine conflict and what she thinks China’s mindset/calculation is.

[@wanshanying6775]

Good interview! We really need this now in order to understand China better for the west … China and the west has been lost in translation for years! Wars in any forms are not good to anyone and any countries! All in one world and working together would be better solutions to make the world a better place !

[@boguo7890]

it is simplistic to say the least to attribute the high incarceration rate in the US to "more criminals" and "strong law enforcement."

[@4x4r974]

US has more criminals than most countries. It is obvious if you just look at stats of recorded crimes per city. Europe simply does not have this level of crime

[@MsOceanstar]

Agreed!

[@dondrumpf5422]

Exactly!!

[@phillipchan6044]

Coleman, you should reach out to Daniel Dumbrill or Jerry Gray for the questions you are asking, they have much better knowledge on the subjects that you touched on.

[@pansaltman]

😂

[@bearcat729]

Agree, very good interview with good polite conversation. Thank you

[@gzhou5432]

Keyu keep on....my favourite speaker.

[@voice_from_pizza]

Hmm not sure if calling it the “Ukraine - Russia War” vs the “War in Ukraine” is linguistic trickery on her part. I suppose the Sino-Japanese War and Sino-Russian War are good linguistic references. Anyway. Good interview, learned a lot. Japan ruined Shanghai in absolutely horrific ways during their bombing campaign in 1932. Plenty of videos on that. Glad that Japan is now peaceful. I truly want peace in China and with China, as well as healthy competition.✌️

[@aclark903]

Japan has been peaceful for decades, yes, but the #LDP (the ruling party) are continually trying to undermine the pacifist constitution, and now Biden is helping them for his own ends. So maybe not so peaceful in the future. (Lived in Japan for 23 years)

[@ralphzoombeenie2330]

Under US direction Japan is now rebuilding their military.

[@samaval9920]

Really is NATO war vs. Russia, China, Cuba,!Suria, etc.

[@cheval63sg]

thumb up to Prof Jin, thumb down to Coleman.

[@DavidLee-ie7gv]

Keyu Jin your replies to the questions are unbiased. Please forget that Adrian Zenz as far as I am concerned the fellow may have grey matter. China needed more outspoken person like you. Thanks

[@pstephens181181]

Congratulations Keyu Jin. Thanks for your efforts in educating the world about what China is really like and why. Coleman thanks for allowing your guest on to expose the normal ignorant narratives from the media, which it seems you still hold. Go to China as I have done and see for yourself how people live there. You will find more happy people than you find in many countries including your own country.

[@qingzhou9983]

Second about the Taiwan issue. It is correct PRC has never changed its position of unification of Taiwan. That is why in 1970 US had to cut tie with ROC/Taiwan and broke their military treaty in order to form an alliance with PRC against Soviet. However that is not the key point here, since PRC was and able to wait for the eventual unification since ROC was not for Taiwan Independence. Hence the real driving forces of current military danger are 1) DDP is driving Taiwan to independence 2) US is hostile toward PRC and in CCP’s mind encouraging Taiwan Independence in order to reproduce the Ukraine War in Taiwan to get the Whole Western Sanctions on PRC. Hence PRC is really preparing for this scenario. Taiwan is not CCP’s 1st priority, rise above US in economy and technology is. But it is preparing for the DDP and US’s move towards Taiwan Independence and War. PRC is not fully in yet because it still only spends

[@samaval9920]

China has owed Taiwan since e 1500s!!

[@vicioused]

The average wage earner in Taiwan has not seen any real increases (just like those slaving away in the US and other so-called Western countries) which has stunted the overall standard of living for the diminishing middle class. Almost everywhere around the Western world, the top 10% owns 90% of a country's wealth. Name any other country other than China that has been able to pull millions of people out of abject poverty in only less than 40 years? Just because many people have been pulled out of poverty still does not mean that the average person is at the middle-income level. In fact, there is still a pretty large gap before the average GDP meets middle-class standards. As George Carlin used to rant about, the freedoms in Western countries are essentially fake and the only way to believe in the American dream is if you were asleep.

[@4x4r974]

China did not do shit. They simply stopped STARVING their people and the people managed to work unbothered.

[@seiko1498]

Japan from 1945 to 1975. In 30 years.

[@leddy9006]

funny

[@hyc1266]

@@seiko1498 Japan is a small country.

[@seiko1498]

@@hyc1266 oh really. How big should it be to be in consideration because Japan is like the 20th biggest country in the world in terms of population.

[@davidliu339]

She is telling the truth and as an American, I wish our government can pay more attention to the benefits of our society and taking care of our internal problems.

[@gatesbisson5102]

Great interview with Keyu Jin, informative, interesting. You asked the tough questions and she responded.

[@tomspaghetti]

Great interview Coleman!

[@eightpoint58]

I'm not sure if this is still the norm, but I have thought that the new business class is given permission and can get extremely wealthy because labor can not protest for better wages or working conditions. If labor protests, they will be in big trouble.

[@bilbodw]

The Communist party was supposedly built on the shoulders of the great proletariat worker, at least in principle. Modern day Chinese Communist Party does not even do that, frequently putting down workers' strikes and dissent. The Chinese CCP exists for only one purpose: its own absolute power and domination.

[@ralphzoombeenie2330]

The employees will not be in big trouble any more than in western companies. They quit and get another job which uis why wages and standard of living is rising in China. No tent cities or living under dilapidated bridges while working 3 min wage jobs as in the US.

[@eightpoint58]

@ralphzoombeenie2330 Many problems in the US, especially when big money interests like Blackrock have their fingers all over the government. But from the many Chinese people who have been able to speak out about the selling of organs from their prison population and the trouble a person can get into for what is a minor offense, in the US. They can do years in prison. Maybe these dissident have been in the US so long, and their memories are clowded from some antadotal happenings before they left. I don't know, but I would take any gran statements about any government in the word being benign to the poor working class, especially one with a history of ruling without the people having a vote, even as bought and paid for the USA government is.

[@elainelee2491]

People in China are allowed to protest, MSM lies so much about China.

[@danlan3433]

It is so nice to heard it from China’s point of view was so great and completely opposite of what USA ‘s smear campaign against China.

[@top36560]

Funny thing is the perception of China is already engraved in the western people, even though they never step a foot on China. But thank you for Coleman to be the ignorant (I am sure he is not) and let) kenyu explain the Century of Humiliation (she could do better but being Chinese, she is too freaking polite.) 😅😅😅

[@qingzhou9983]

First about how US should treat China. The bottom line is if you treat China as an Enemy then China will become your biggest enemy. She has no choice. But that is not her preference. China wants to rise pass US peacefully. It is US, like every other superpower in the past, that is trying to stop China. The key is whether through peaceful competition or containment or even War. China currently has no ambition outside its neighboring Asia area. But if US is set to contain it, China will be forced to defend itself globally.

[@MsOceanstar]

Mr Coleman Hughes need to visit China and get updated! The questions are good, but seemed to be based on certain outdated anti- China misconceptions!

[@Comments1-vc8jg]

China considers Taiwan to be its "sacred territory" and has never renounced the use of force to bring it under Chinese control, though Xi made no mention of military threats in his speech carried on state television. "The reunification of the motherland is a historical inevitability," Xi said, though the official English translation of his remarks published by the Xinhua news agency used a more simple phrase: "China will surely be reunified".

[@jdpalm1981]

19:00 - What about Peng Shuai?

[@yiwenyoga9617]

Majority of people in the west are only capable of looking at the world based on a very narrow view of right and wrong. Only their perceived values are just and MUST be adhered to and followed. I am so glad Coleman invited Keyu Jin who so calmly articulated a different POV. Thank you both!!!!

[@jordandthornburg]

What values are actually just and how can we know it? Or are you arguing nothing is just?

[@yiwenyoga9617]

@@jordandthornburg simply put, what is “just” should not be solely based on the values of the west imposed upon rest of the world.

[@jordandthornburg]

@@yiwenyoga9617 I agree. What should they be based on? That’s what I asked.

[@yiwenyoga9617]

@@jordandthornburg from your questions, I get a sense you are black or white and have little interest in context.

[@jordandthornburg]

@@yiwenyoga9617 justice is black or white. That is what we are talking about. Some things are not and are more nuanced. Justice is not one of those things.

[@tonytan6547]

There were countries that had been following the US/West's model ( sometimes forced upon them) for decades,some for more than a century , and how are they today ? These countries are still poor, backward and weak, why ? Because the Western model pushed upon them were not meant to make them progress and modernised! The Examples often quoted of Japan ,South Korean, Taiwan progress not really because of the western ways/model. In reality these few countries progress and advanced because of their underlying Confucian culture

[@hyc1266]

The success of Japan and South Korean have been oppressed by the US. These two countries are vassal states of the US.

[@daning9764]

The trouble with westerners is that as soon as they could speak a few words in Mandarin, read a few books about China, they would automatically be regarded as experts on China.

[@gangshan]

Since the rise of Muslim fundalmentalist Taliban n Al Kaeda appeared in Afagan and Middle East 30 some years ago, its wave started seeping east into Xinjiang of China. There began to see random terrorist acts done to local innocent residents and properties on the streets and train stations, no matter what race they were; even an Uyghur muslim leader was assassinated gruesomely, his head chopped off. Chinese local police found out that those terrorists had one thing in common: they either had personally travelled west to nearby Afghanistan or further west to Syria and Turkey etc., doctrinated and trained there and came back, or local Uyghurs who had associated or related with someone abroad and got "inspired" or instructed to do so; most of them unemployed or uneducated, or upset with incoming non-Muslim immigrants from other areas of China. Governments developed water irrigation systems for farmers, built power plants, schools and factories etc to accomodate more residents. Many locals are happy with free apartments and living subsidy the government provided in exchange for their land. Some don't like the society becoming modernized or less Islamic; some went abroad to join the fundamental Islamic movement and planned to overthrow the government. But local Chinese wanted those crimes to be immediately stopped in preventive ways; the best human and basic way the government felt is to communicate and change those potential criminals' violent thoughts. So they hastily set up summer-camp-like schools and requested local residents whoever had family members overseas no matter where they were to attend these new education camps, in which they learned about the Chinese culture and socialism history and ideals; some camps provided language and employment skill classes yo those who lacked. They generally lasted a couple of months; cell phones were prohibited, except in cases of emergency and family crisis, lending suspicion and fear by their relatives overseas, hence the rumor of concentration camps or even genocide appeared. Most people didn't like to be in school; plus Chinese police did make wrong judgement about some locals who didn't need to be there. And I believe that some policemen in the heat of cracking down the terrorist cells probably mistreated some, lending the reputation of police brutality. Besides, they tend to have overseas family; so exaggeration to the extent of concentration camps and genocide spread fast in the west, taken advantage by American hawks in the CIA and politians to become grounds for U.S. to sanction against rising China. One can just search on KZbin and one will find out so many live videos posted by locals in Xinjiang about their daily lives or outside travellers to that area. In them you will see a lively and very safe society, full of Uyghure language and culture prospering. You would see accusation of Chinese camps or even cultural genocide is ridiculous or intentional by some paranoid or war mongers who just want to turn their own people to disgust with Chinese or their government in order to gain something. kzbin.info/www/bejne/boXLqparZa-SoKM

[@Jeffrey2323]

Ms Keyu Jin was extremely polite to answer all those questions posed to her. Western style of democracy is only good for the West. The Chinese style of government is certainly better for the Chinese people. And let us accept each other .

[@seiko1498]

You may like “eastern democracy” but speak only for yourself please.

[@ralphzoombeenie2330]

Absolutely true. and China's government delivers on promises unlike ours.

[@elainelee2491]

​@@seiko1498If you don't live in China, don't speak for us also. You have no right to push your ideals on another country.

[@seiko1498]

@@elainelee2491 as a matter of fact, I do live in China.

[@lv9657]

You can't compare an apple & an orange. An orrange could turns sweet whereas an apple could turns sour. Universal values is not all about democracy & human rights. Most Asian are not inspired by the ways of life & political system in US. Its not a matter of good or bad, one must respect other people's choice & preference.

[@philipyt]

"Younger Chinese are NOT inspired by the "democracies" in the West!" I am NOT inspired by the "freedoms and democracy" of the West either - and I live in the US! Consider the "freedom" to demonize, lie, cheat and steal, by the press, the elites and politicians to get US into forever wars, the two or more tiers of the criminal justice system, and the military industrial complex being fed by the demonizing of other countries, peoples or leaders. Are YOU inspired by the homelessness, the big Pharma complex, the failing infrastructure, the on-again-off-again financial crises??

[@peterlim1972]

Freedom and democracy are just excuses used by the US to commit wars around the world. Just see the state of the US now. The US is crumbling and we witness great social and political divides. There are Tent cities in every states where the 3 million lives by the roadsides. I can carry on about the state of the US now. Her fall is inevitable!

[@jordandthornburg]

How are human rights not universal? That’s totally silly and absurd.

[@hyc1266]

@@jordandthornburg The definition of human rights will be different in the west and in the east and in different time. Do not force your "human rights' on all people in the world. As far as I know, people in China and many parts of the world have more "human rights" than in the US/west. US women can't even have abortion rights.

[@jordandthornburg]

@@hyc1266 there is no arbitrary definition of human rights. This is the major problem with relativism that comes from a secular/atheistic worldview. That is the main problem and why the Chinese government has no problem killing its own citizens if they disturb the peace or “disturb the harmony” or whatever phrase is used. All humans have rights and they have the same rights. Most governments don’t respect those rights, especially of humans in the womb but the right itself still remains.

[@yoyohighness]

Thank you, this is a very informative conversation and an eye opener

[@rekamaximovitch951]

Thank you for the review of the politics while I was a student in America as an American.

[@LangstonTillman]

We need scholars like Jin to make the world understand China

[@CubanSaIbangBansaSaVisayas]

No thank U .. How and why you want to understand a country who don't allow free speech or freedom and only want party of corrupts... I bet you are a millenium .. by the way communist and socialist hate gay people like u

[@harris4041]

You need to listen to working class Chinese not elite. Just like if you want to know what’s going on in America, you ask working class people not fed chairman’s daughter.

[@williamgarcia1909]

LONG LIVE MS. JIN!

[@justice9325]

The ultimate goal of China is to destroy United States so as to dominate the world.

[@georgeszurbach444]

What she forgets to say is that "the century of humiliation " was the beginning of modern China development well before the 1980 liberation of the economy. Cities such as Shanghai, Tiensten, Canton, Hankou...and many others cities where modernised ,totally rebuild like never before and still are today the economic power of China

[@youspoontube]

So do you mean that many of your US cities should be in line for some humiliation now?

[@georgeszurbach444]

@@youspoontube I cant speak for the americans but from.what they've achieved so far, I would think that the presence of Europeans from the XVIi century was more perceiced as illumination than humiliation.

[@youspoontube]

@@georgeszurbach444 The illumination is that you have to be strong so you could defend yourself.

[@good_man4083]

This lady so so smart she good at what she do ❤❤❤

[@sns1804]

The "Century of humiliation" is equivalent to the decimation of native Indians in America. And I would argue that widespread discrimination continues to this day, outside of China among the modern Western nations.

[@NicoleTedesco]

Thank you, Coleman, for the thoughtful conversation with Keyu Jin. It might be worthwhile to purchase her book. I spent some time in China in the early 2010s working for a Chinese company in Shanghai. That was very educational to this American. I discovered how incredibly complex China actually is and came to understand, if only a little, what it means to be part of such an old culture. China is a country of contradictions as well as advantages, just like America though in distinctly Chinese ways. Like America, it is probably not the best idea to simplify China, especially in political speech, even if I am just like anyone else and understand the temptation to do so. China has strengths and weaknesses, charms and alarms, good and bad, pretty and ugly. The same can be said about America. It is nice to be reminded that neither China or America should be the first to cast stones while living in our respected glass houses. Yet, both f us have plenty to be proud of as well. A Chinese colleague told me something her grandmother said to her, “Under Mao, it was like we were all living in Auschwitz. Now, we may have the worst of all possible governments [who doesn’t complain about their own governments], but for the first time in my life, I am happy.” Jin elucidates this sentiment quite well and is important in understanding the contemporary Chinese psyche. I did see the results of corruption with my own eyes. Is Jin’s assertion that this corruption actually being addressed true? Maybe, maybe not. China is not the most transparent place in the world, with real truth sometimes wrapped in unfathomable obfuscation. I often wonder how the deep traditions of opacity hinder even good faith efforts to rule such a culture? One of the senior executives of the company I worked for once asked my opinion if China would ever change. Around me things seemed so optimistic and forward momentum so certain. I thought that China was destined to change, even if slowly. He shot back, sternly, that he felt China hasn’t changed much at all throughout its history so we should not expect real change anytime in the foreseeable future. He was so exasperated with how things were that he now lives in India with his family. Maybe this was just one man exasperated with his particular condition. Or, maybe he understood a bigger pulse of his own home. He didn’t imply anything particularly malevolent about China. He was just frustrated with the impossibility of doing the right thing in his own corner of the universe.

[@hyc1266]

Those Chinese who talk bad about CPC are either former rich in China who lost their wealth to CPC during the Culture Revolution or Chinese who don't know their ancestor history but brainwashed with US/UK anti-China propaganda via US/UK controlled MSM.

[@zicada7661]

I'm 30 minutes in and still nothing about communism and the cultural revolution ? Neatly skipping it and comparing current China with pre-communism China ? Wasn't "their past" essentially viped out in the 60s?

[@hyc1266]

The real stories of China are not the same as you were being lied to for the last 70 years.

[@fs5775]

what do you expect from the child of CCP elite? Of course certain topics were deemed "too sensitive" beforehand and not allowed to be discussed. that is, anything that calls out CCP inhumanity and insanity.

[@samaval9920]

See Mchae Hudson, Richard WofVijaybPrashadetc

[@alexgoslar4057]

A great constructive discourse. Thanks.

[@lavendereucalyptus3225]

“China Has A Long History of Non-aggression” By Aningo (Malaysia) I’m from Malaysia. China has traded with Malaysia for 2000 years. In those years, they had been the world’s biggest powers many times. Never once they sent troops to take our land. Admiral Zhenghe came to Malacca five times, in gigantic fleets, and a flagship eight times the size of Christopher Columbus’ flagship, Santa Maria. He could have seized Malacca easily, but he did not. In 1511, the Portuguese came. In 1642, the Dutch came. In the 18th century the British came. We were colonised by each, one after another. When China wanted spices from India, they traded with the Indians. When they wanted gems, they traded with the Persian. They didn’t take lands. The only time China expanded beyond their current borders was in Yuan Dynasty, when Genghis and his descendants Ogedei Khan, Guyuk Khan & Kublai Khan conquered China, Mid Asia and Eastern Europe. But Yuan Dynasty, although being based in China, was a part of the Mongolian Empire. Then came the Century of Humiliation. Britain smuggled opium into China to dope the population, a strategy to turn the trade deficit around, after the British could not find enough silver to pay the Qing Dynasty in their tea and porcelain trades. After the opium warehouses were burned down and ports were closed by the Chinese in ordered to curb opium, the British started the Opium War I, which China lost. Hong Kong was forced to be surrendered to the British in a peace talk (Nanjing Treaty). The British owned 90% of the opium market in China, during that time, Queen Victoria was the world’s biggest drug baron. The remaining 10% was owned by American merchants from Boston. Many of Boston’s institutions were built with profit from opium. After 12 years of Nanjing Treaty, the West started getting really really greedy. The British wanted the Qing government: 1. To open the borders of China to allow goods coming in and out freely, and tax free. 2. Make opium legal in China. Insane requests, Qing government said no. The British and French, with supports from the US and Russia from behind, started Opium War II with China, which again, China lost. The Anglo-French military raided the Summer Palace, and threatened to burn down the Imperial Palace, the Qing government was forced to pay with ports, free business zones, 300,000 kilograms of silver and Kowloon was taken. Since then, China’s resources flew out freely through these business zones and ports. In the subsequent amendment to the treaties, Chinese people were sold overseas to serve as labor. In 1900, China suffered attacks by the 8-National Alliance(Japan, Russia, Britain, France, USA, Germany, Italy, Austria-Hungary). Innocent Chinese civilians in Peking (Beijing now) were murdered, buildings were destroyed & women were raped. The Imperial Palace was raided, and treasures ended up in museums like the British Museum in London and the Louvre in Paris. In late 1930s China was occupied by the Japanese in WWII. Millions of Chinese died during the occupancy. 300,000 Chinese died in Nanjing Massacre alone. Mao brought China together again from the shambles. There were peace and unity for some time. Then came Deng Xiao Ping and his famous “black-cat and white-cat” story. His preference in pragmatism than ideologies has transformed China. This thinking allowed China to evolve all the time to adapt to the actual needs in the country, instead of rigidly bounded to ideologies. The current Socialism+Meritocracy+Market Economy model fits the Chinese like gloves, and it propels the uprise of China. Singapore has a similar model, and has been arguably more successful than Hong Kong, because Hong Kong being gateway to China, was riding on the economic boom in China, while Singapore had no one to gain from. In just 30 years, the CCP have moved 800 millions of people out from poverty. The rate of growth is unprecedented in human history. They have built the biggest mobile network, by far the biggest high speed rail network in the world, and they have become a behemoth in infrastructure. They made a fishing village called Shenzhen into the world’s second largest technological centre after the Silicon Valley. They are growing into a technological power house. It has the most elaborate e-commerce and cashless payment system in the world. They have launched exploration to Mars. The Chinese are living a good life and China has become one of the safest countries in the world. The level of patriotism in the country has reached an unprecedented height. For all of the achievements, the West has nothing good to say about it. China suffers from intense anti-China propagandas from the West. Western Media used the keyword “Communist” to instil fear and hatred towards China. Everything China does is negatively reported. They claimed China used slave labor in making iPhones. The truth was, Apple was the most profitable company in the world, it took most of the profit, leave some to Foxconn (a Taiwanese company) and little to the labor. They claimed China was inhuman with one-child policy. At the same time, they accused China of polluting the earth with its huge population. The fact is the Chinese consume just 30% of energy per capita compared to the US. They claimed China underwent ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang. The fact is China has a policy which priorities ethnic minorities. For a long time, the ethnic minorities were allowed to have two children and the majority Han only allowed one. The minorities are allowed a lower score for university intakes. There are 39,000 mosque in China, and 2100 in the US. China has about 3 times more mosque per muslim than the US. When terrorist attacks happened in Xinjiang, China had two choices: 1. Re-educate the Uighur extremists before they turned terrorists. 2. Let them be, after they launch attacks and killed innocent people, bomb their homes. China chose 1 to solve problem from the root and not to do killing. How the US solve terrorism? Fire missiles from battleships, drop bombs from the sky. During the pandemic, when China took extreme measures to lockdown the people, they were accused of being inhuman.When China recovered swiftly because of the extreme measures, they were accused of lying about the actual numbers.When China’s cases became so low that they could provide medical support to other countries, they were accused of politically motivated. Western Media always have reasons to bash China. Just like any country, there are irresponsible individuals from China which do bad and dirty things, but the China government overall has done very well. But I hear this comment over and over by people from the West: I like Chinese people, but the CCP is evil. What they really want is the Chinese to change the government, because the current one is too good. Fortunately China is not a multi-party democratic country, otherwise the opposition party in China will be supported by notorious NGOs (Non-Government Organization) of the USA, like the NED (National Endowment for Democracy), to topple the ruling party. The US and the British couldn’t crack Mainland China, so they work on Hong Kong. Of all the ex-British colonial countries, only the Hong Kongers were offered BNOs by the British. Because the UK would like the Hong Kongers to think they are British citizens, not Chinese. A divide-and-conquer strategy, which they often used in Color Revolutions around the world. They resort to low dirty tricks like detaining Huawei’s CFO & banning Huawei. They raised a silly trade war which benefits no one. Trade deficit always exist between a developing and a developed country. USA is like a luxury car seller who ask a farmer: why am I always buying your vegetables and you haven’t bought any of my cars? When the Chinese were making socks for the world 30 years ago, the world let it be. But when Chinese started to make high technology products, like Huawei and DJI, it caused red-alert. Because when Western and Japanese products are equal to Chinese in technologies, they could never match the Chinese in prices. First world countries want China to continue in making socks. Instead of stepping up themselves, they want to pull China down. The recent movement by the US against China has a very important background. When Libya, Iran, and China decided to ditch the US dollar in oil trades, Gaddafi’s was killed by the US, Iran was being sanctioned by the US, and now it’s China’s turn. The US has been printing money out of nothing. The only reason why the US Dollar is still widely accepted, is because it’s the only currency which oil is allowed to be traded with. The US has an agreement with Saudi that oil must be traded in US dollar ONLY. Without the petrol-dollar status, the US dollars will sink, and America will fall. Therefore anyone trying to disobey this order will be eliminated. China will soon use a gold-backed crypto-currency, the alarms in the White House go off like mad. China’s achievement has been by hard work. Not by looting the world. I have deep sympathy for China for all the suffering, but now I feel happy for them. China is not rising, they are going back to where they belong. Good luck China.”

[@daffyduck4674]

You’d hope the CCP pays by the word, that’s a real effort.

[@lavendereucalyptus3225]

@@daffyduck4674 1) You'd hope the CPC pays by the word, that's a real effort. 👆👆👆👆👆👆 Baseless conspiracy 2) You’d hope CIA pays by demonizing China. 👆👆👆👆👆👆 Facts!

[@lavendereucalyptus3225]

@@daffyduck4674 I see you are intimidated by facts and real history, you don’t have to read it, no one is forcing you.

[@daffyduck4674]

@@lavendereucalyptus3225 You’re right, unlike the Chinese people I’m not compelled to accept CCP propaganda. Also, do you really think I or anyone else in the West hasn’t heard the CCP line many times over?

[@wmunlai72]

Great info

[@romlyn99]

30:49 "Old play book" argument. We did that to catchup. Now we are better. Nothing to see here. Argue about something else, as we are no longer doing that. We only did that to catchup to the West. And you believe this?

[@ronho883]

We set up our plant in Suzhou Industrial Park in 2004. It was sparse then but look at SIP today. It is a beautiful new city now supported by industrial success, manned by thousands of local and migrant employees from outlying areas, all of them earning an average of RMB8000 per month which 20 years ago was RMB1000 per month. All driven by private investment and supports overall growth for Chinese citizens. And we are steadily moving into automation. Hence, I view US media portrayal as slanted and untrue.

[@jameshue55]

I have had the privilege of watching her interview in Mandarin which is far more eloquent and profound.

[@joed6749]

I watched this for the second time and found Coleman's ignorance to be pretty embarrassing. Homie needs to relearn some history and check his Americentrism at the door.

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

He was ignorant of her CCP propganda talking points you communist sympathizer

[@tutuluvable]

The host kept on saying China invading Taiwan, but how can you invade your own country?!

[@hyc1266]

The host is brainwashed as much as the general public of the US/west.

[@johnlimyiren]

Remember Fort Sumter!

[@MG77740]

Here's her positions: The West misunderstands China's rise as a challenge to the existing international order. China is not seeking to overthrow the current international order, but rather to reform it in ways that benefit its own interests. The West should engage China in dialogue and cooperation, rather than viewing it as an adversary. The West should focus on areas of common interest, such as climate change and economic cooperation. The West should avoid making China feel like it is being encircled or threatened. The West should be prepared to adapt to China's rise, but should not try to contain it. The West should encourage China to become a more open and responsible stakeholder in the international system. The West should support China's efforts to improve its human rights record. The West should work with China to address global challenges, such as terrorism and nuclear proliferation. The West should not expect China to become a liberal democracy overnight. Some counterpoints: Misunderstanding China's Rise: Some argue that the West's apprehension about China's rise is not merely about misunderstanding but is based on China's assertive actions in the South China Sea, its military buildup, and its economic practices that are seen as unfair or predatory. Reforming the International Order: While China may not want to overthrow the international order, its idea of "reform" might not align with Western values. For instance, China's stance on internet governance, which leans towards censorship and control, is at odds with the open internet principles cherished by many Western nations. Engaging in Dialogue: While dialogue is essential, some believe that China often uses dialogue as a stalling tactic or to deflect from contentious issues, without making substantive changes. Areas of Common Interest: While there are areas of common interest, there are also significant areas of divergence, such as human rights, trade practices, and territorial disputes. Focusing only on common interests might mean overlooking these significant differences. Avoid Making China Feel Threatened: While it's essential to avoid unnecessary provocation, democracies also have a responsibility to uphold and advocate for their values, even if it makes authoritarian regimes feel threatened. Adapting to China's Rise: While adaptation is necessary, there's a difference between adapting to a changing global landscape and compromising on core principles and security concerns. Encouraging China's International Role: While China's increased role in international institutions can be beneficial, there's also a risk that China might reshape these institutions in ways that diminish democratic values. Supporting Human Rights Efforts: While supporting China's efforts to improve its human rights record is commendable, there's skepticism about the sincerity of these efforts given the ongoing issues in Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong. Addressing Global Challenges: Cooperation on global challenges is essential, but there's concern that China might use these collaborations as leverage in other, more contentious areas. Expectation of Liberal Democracy: While it's true that no one should expect China to become a liberal democracy overnight, there's a difference between having no expectation and turning a blind eye to the suppression of democratic values and human rights.

[@Time4Peace]

Why does the West feels that China should not be China? Japan is still Japan after post war political and economic changes. The difference is that Japan is so dependent on US economically and militarily that it must comply to US interests. In 1990's, anti-Japan hysteria was so great that Japan was forced to sign the Plaza Accord. China couldn't behave like Japan with such a large population. It has to continue to grow just to reach Japan and US's per capital Gdp. China is still a developing country with room to grow!

[@atxuploads]

I saw the same facial expressions in Coleman that I often see in my own friends and family when I talk about China - Americans have a really hard time not being suspicious/ skeptical / negative towards China (even the word China sounds negative in English now). I don’t know what it will take to undo the brainwashing which I personally believe is rooted in racism. Nonetheless, good talk - we need people to get interested in China because the less people know the more likely they are to demonize. One of my greatest fears continues to be the US instigating a war with China so we can continue to rule the world. Americans need to wake up to how much of the world sees them - as an extremely aggressive country that exerts it’s influence via military force . The US has a history of destabilizing regions of the world, with the consequence of death and destruction that we rarely discuss . It would be great if we did another interview, but foreign nationals similarity questioned the US national interest / intentions / foreign policy. I want to see the facial expressions of humbled Americans - I don’t hate my country , I love it and want it to be better . I simply see us as the aggressors and it would be better if the US reduced its military presence around the world and let other countries live and develop freely.

[@lienhuongdierker5438]

We don’t want to be a communist country like China.

[@tobink4901]

For real yo? her popz is a ccp official... Why didn't she or Coleman state that in the beginning? That would be like vital info for the audience to know... I mean not to be dismissive and shit...but just keepn it real

[@MrJREllman]

You're right. But to be honest, you have to take that for granted. From now on, you will.

[@samaval9920]

Bushes had 2 🇺🇸🇺🇸. CIA US presidents. Others have nothing to fear?!