INDIGOCAST #3 | Games So Bad, They're Good w/ Mandalore & Raycevick

Let's chat with game reviewer and video essay legends, Raycevick and Mandalore about our shared love for games SO BAD, they're actually GOOD!
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[@Indigo_Gaming]

A big thanks to this episode's guests! Make sure to check out their channels, if you haven't already: Mandalore Gaming ► kzbin.info Raycevick ► kzbin.info Audio-only versions here: anchor.fm/indigocast

[@downsjmmyjones101]

4 hours and 40 minutes of Mandalore and Raycevick? I love you. How much money do I need to give you to make this happen every month?

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Unfortunately I can't sell Mandalore and Raycevick's time 😄, but I will try to do a new podcast episode more regularly.

[@daidabus]

@@Indigo_Gaming well you only miss sseth and you have holy trinity of reviews

[@LowSkillSurvival]

@@daidabus maybe throw ross from the game dungeon and civvie11 into the mix and we're golden

[@Bluelyre]

@@daidabus what are you talking about? Sseth is in this podcast.

[@torperator1555]

We're too impure for Ross and Civvie to bless us with their togetherness.

[@PlaskiJakDeska]

Hey hey Indigo. Mandalore here.

[@TDrewBR]

@Orlando Rotundo because they tha holy spirit and tha commanda of tha troops

[@dreioo8759]

Imagine being born with Raycevick's voice...what a heavy responsibility to bear...

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

A husky one, to be sure.

[@lyadh0451]

I just wish someday I can discuss games with a crowd like this it would be amazing

[@LonkiGames]

Same, no one u know, care as much as me about games

[@faust3530]

Are there any podcasts that have this level of quality of discussion? All I find is super basic trash with very little thoughtful insight into actual game design.

[@LonkiGames]

Faust Maybe not as in depth that I find that Minnmax and GameInformer podcast are good at sticking to the topic and not just goof around

[@cyberdiver7076]

Friendly reminder that Sseth and Mandalore never appeared in the same room. Just sayin.

[@Gordon519]

hey hey people

[@ghaspar]

The joke is getting stale... Its still a good one, tho

[@Gordon519]

@@ghaspar its an old meme but it still checks out

[@zaikolebolsh5724]

Jekyll and Hyde

[@roastchestnut5274]

@@Gordon519 That's also an old meme but it still checks out

[@Mixu.]

About the whole "shouting into the void" thing at the end; I actually commented on a year-/couple year-old video of Raycevick and ended up getting an almost instant, nice, reply. I wasn't angry or anything, but gave some constructive criticism since I noticed something in the video. Those couple replies have solidified my image of Raycevick as much more human than 99% of people I see on the Internet. Mandy has always been great though. Literally the most charming person I know, and I've never even had a conversation with him.

[@devynd6476]

PST Podcast is a good place for more Mandalore, to anyone that is unaware. He’s one of the shows hosts (later on.)

[@Kc40k]

Oh I didn’t know he became a host. Thanks for the heads up.

[@Justathought81]

What’s this?

[@Kc40k]

SuperNeutral Mandalore’s a host on the Please Stop Talking podcast

[@Justathought81]

Kc40k hey, thank you

[@Justathought81]

Kc40k, also the Division really is something special and grew on you over time, agree with everything said in your latest podcast.

[@Vulpes89]

Very good podcast, I'm glad you went straight into it instead of rambling injoke banter for 40 minutes like other podcasts

[@Mixu.]

Definitely. Even though the people on the podcast have a decent bit of history with each other, it was immediately easy to follow

[@jmarra07]

Preach it brother

[@Caspenar]

Mandalore AND Raycevick in one 5 hour long podcast?!?! How did I miss this !

[@Luke-xi2pq]

Mandalore and Indigo sound so similar that I couldn't tell their voices apart while I was listening to them at work, lol. Great podcast with some of my favorite KZbinrs around!

[@friedipar]

4:10:10 The cherry on top is that Halligan isn´t even too lazy to use his workphone, he simply isn´t allowed to use it for outgoing calls anymore, since he kept calling foreign numbers for no appearent reason. Probably chatted with alien enthusiasts from overseas... And yes, i know this reads like the story you told about the weird Pokémon fan. It´s even in the fourth hour, lol

[@Epic_ZQ9]

Fun fact about MGS3. The End can also be killed earlier in the game. There's one cutscene where you can see him in the distance. And when it goes back to gameplay, you have like 5 seconds before he goes back inside, and if you shoot him with a sniper rifle, he dies, and the later boss fight just doesn't happen.

[@valeriewinters3018]

Honestly, this has been easily one of the single best episodes of a podcast I've had the pleasure to listen to. I spent across the day listening to it at work when I had the time and it was just so good to listen to. You three just were effortlessly interesting and the topics you bounce between were just great. Thanks for the show, I can see this being a repeat re-listen every couple months.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

So glad you enjoyed! I had a blast chatting with these two.

[@rallion1545]

I listened to it on spotify, just here to say that this was my first episode and I really liked it! Great conversations, great guests and great chemistry.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Glad you enjoyed! Also happy that people are listening to the audio versions. Took a bit getting those set up. 👍

[@DivinityOfBLaze]

I can't believe I watched this whole thing in one seating. My arse hurts. Though it felt more like a Mandalore and Raycevick podcast with guest star Indigo Gaming. I think that's just cause they have very big personalities? Or at least had a ton to talk about to each other haha. Not that I'm complaining this was a great video. I could have listened more to this.

[@curly432]

You should do more of these podcasts when you have the time to do so. It's really enjoyable to discuss and debate video games imo. Anyway, great vid

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed. Really want to do these more regularly, but they take a bit of time to schedule and put together. They're a lot of fun, though, and I'm glad people like listening to these rambles as well!

[@dicemm5544]

I love Duke unabashedly. The world needs more of him, not less.

[@Vulgarth1]

The DC comics MOBA that Indigo was talking about was called Infinite Crisis, made by Turbine Games who also did the LoTR MMO, if I remember rightly. Infinite Crisis was genuinely fantastic, a better newbie-friendly MOBA than Heroes of the Storm. It died because they took the traditional 3-lane map out of rotation in favour of their weird 2-lane huge-jungle map that was quite an acquired taste.

[@jacobottesen5279]

Wow, props to Ray for being prophetic about that Star Wars game.

[@gordlord561]

Been waiting for another podcast, listening to these while gaming is awesome and honestly sometimes it makes me wanna play the games that y’all talk about, definitely looking forward to more since I always re-listen to them on a regular basis if there are no new uploads on my feed

[@FPS_ARMA]

as a mouse and keyboard FPS player, I can say for certain that pulling a trigger and getting rumble on controller for shooters is so cool, and I wish there was a way to implement it into PC without it messing up your aim. Only thing i'm jealous of controllers for. Triggers and Rumble.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Yeah the trigger feel is amazing on a controller. I wish there was a hybrid mouse with triggers. 😄

[@cas9564]

43:23 A companion app for MGSV did exist and it did work with both MGSV: Ground Zeroes and MGSV: The Phantom Pain. I think it did basically let you somewhat manage your base and even send people out to get more resources or fight, but I think the app has since been lost to time now. As an aside, I still remember when DICE showed off that the Commander role from BF2 would return for BF4 and it was entirely possible to play an entire match as a Commander via the Battlelog app. I still remember playing a match as a Commander before needing to sleep for school.

[@dakotabrooks2540]

This was excellent, first time listening to the inigocast and I'm for sure gonna go back and listen to the previous episodes. Keep this going!!!

[@jasonvanheerden1711]

On the spot chats and thoughts > 20 mins of structured reviews every few months

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Unfortunately, you're in the minority on that, but I'm glad people are enjoying my podcast episodes in-between the scripted stuff. :)

[@jasonvanheerden1711]

Hope it didn't come off like i don't enjoy the scripted content... I sub to you for your regular content because you and mandalore etc. Actually put a lot of effort into breaking down the things you review into details id never be able to notice myself... It makes for reviews that actually mean something and that's awesome... Please keep it up i could never do what you do✌🏻️

[@jasonvanheerden1711]

A KZbinr i dig actually replied to my comment... Can't wait to tell my parents I've finally achieved something

[@GoodOlChippy1]

The fighting game ur talking about it Street X Tekken. Big controversy with content being on disk, but being payed for later as “DLC”

[@Scott-lm2tl]

This was a brilliant fusion of personalities - I would be ecstatic if this became a regular podcast (albeit shortened a bit, perhaps, haha) :D

[@Wizuu0274]

This was really enjoyable to chip away at, thanks, man. Hope to listen to more of them :)

[@peterslaboratory6070]

This podcast needs more views... Love your content Indi

[@Jonty4560]

Interesting thing about that one character you kill in the last of us is that I wanted to shoot him in the leg to incapacitate then instead of kill them... instead they flopped to the ground dead in a manner for fitting with a headshot... and then with the recent last of us 2 leaks... ya it seems more of the same if I had to describe it without spoiling it. Shame to cause up to that point I was in the flow state and then immediately my sense of immersion was broken

[@PurpleIsAmazin]

that Bestheda file instability glitch you mention around 2:40:00 can totally happen in Skyrim, happened to me it was never fixed IIRC, and it’s why I traded that shit in and refuse to give Bethesda any more money to this day

[@robertfullchim923]

I'm still not convinced that Raycevick and Indigo are different people.

[@MisterA744]

I know you're all quite busy and schedules are hard to align for this sort of thing, but I think it'd be great to have these wonderful gents back for another podcast. You have good chemistry and generate interesting discussions with apparent ease. The window's probably too narrow to time setting up a horror game topic episode for Halloween, but that's the idea that came to my mind, so just throwing it out there.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

I'd love to have these chaps on again, but I can't promise that it would be anytime soon. Once my schedule settles down, I'll reach out to them and see if we can do another one.

[@NeroVingian40]

@@Indigo_Gaming I’m still surprised you got these guys in the same video in the first place. Or any of the guys in your other podcasts. While I’m here just organizing a play session with my friends and there’s always this one guy that can’t get in lol

[@OscarKesh]

You guys covered it all. Such a satisfying podcast to listen to

[@MadAtreides1]

love both you and your guests, hope to listen to you chatting again

[@masterkriebel]

Well, I’ve learned a few things about game review sites, game development processes, and that whenever I get around to playing Deus Ex, the first level is bad. Keep up the good work, all of you!

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Yes, don't get dissuaded by Liberty Island, it gets a lot better later on.

[@Pakanahymni]

Why is it mixed so quiet?

[@SashaFilmsUnlimited]

I would listen to a weekly podcast with mandolore and raycevick just saying

[@jakedill1304]

Other games.. "we have a slide puzzle mechanic" Re6.. "we have slide mechanics" *drops mic and leaves* *Microphone explodes*

[@Disthron]

Man, I feel like some of my comments were pretty negative in tone. But I really enjoyed listening to you guys overall.

[@endplanets]

37:32 Speaking of buying a license and not a product: Something about you don't really own a Ferrari so it is illegal to modify or customize it. Ferrari wants to preserve their brand look.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Huh, that's interesting. I wonder about the legality of that, since they no longer own the product they sold you.

[@djbeema]

All my subscriptions together! This is the best crossover episode ever!

[@TheNord06]

I know im late but I loved alpha protocol. It had a unique charm

[@joelmilten]

Mandalore's comment on Fortnight cracked me up! Guess there's always a silver lining.

[@adamflyshotmail]

We got some real authorities on this topic

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Mandalore didn't become the King of Limbo for nothing...

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

Deadly Premonition is a game marred with flaws but I still enjoyed it.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Absolutely! I did a video a while back featuring that game, Shenmue and a couple others: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4CwYXt8lqyijKs

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

@@Indigo_Gaming Ah yes I remember watching this video, it was excellent :)

[@misterkefir]

This is just what I needed now. Amazing. Thanks & cheers!

[@BobExcalibur]

If anyone is interested in how a modern treatment of Duke Nukem 3D might look, check out the Alien Armageddon mod for Duke3D. Its a very impressive project that is still being worked on and added to, with some amazing improvements to the classic gameplay and level design. Its brother project, the AMC TC, is a completely free massive single player campaign made to resemble the classic Build games, only on an absurdly epic scale. Go and give them both a look on moddb, they're incredible projects.

[@Azeur]

Really enjoyed this podcast. My only complaint (and I don't know for sure if it isn't on my side) is that the sound was very low. I had the video on max volume, and had to more than double the system volume that I normally use.

[@Blood4Baphomet]

Man, love all 3 of you guys. Great listening here thank you! 👏👌

[@mkahvi]

On hate being popular, the problem is also that hate is also presented in very emotional & expressive way. Mediocre feels or loving something usually aren't quite as expressive. People love clear big expressions.

[@TheInevitableHulk]

The first kinetic does indeed have a depth sensor using IR light bouncing back into the camera.

[@dinoblacklane1640]

48:00 "Cyberpunk on current gen consoles is optimised" Oh oh how times quickly change

[@bittabants]

Aw man I'm looking forward to chipping away at this over the next few days! Can already tell this is going to be a great podcast.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Awesome, hope you enjoy it! Had a great time talking to Ray and Mandy. :D

[@chastermief839]

they talked about evolve for a while, so i'm gonna link this: www.reddit.com/r/mattcolville/comments/8o3681/evolve/e015406/ this is Matt Colville. He was the lead writer at Turtle Rock Studios for evolve, but i found him and his subreddit from his D&D youtube channel. In some of his older videos you'll see him say stuff like "our new game evolve just came out! i hope it does well!" and it makes my heart break.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

That is really sad. I do want to do a video sometime about how and why Evolve didn't make it. I think I started a script years ago actually about the rise and failure of 4v1 games.

[@JeremyComans]

I could picture a Duke Nukem game where you get tasked with an escort mission. And you can complete the painful escort mission like you're told to, or like, run the person over with a car and the game lets it happen.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Yeah, that's the kind of thing I think would fit into a Duke game. RC car sequences, not so much.

[@terrynitup83]

*stands at a high vantage point with one leg up on a stool looking down waiting for you to toil away on cyberpunk history part 2*

[@MattyStoked]

That beard is really looking choice here, my man

[@Indigo_Gaming]

It's less of a choice, more of an inevitability. 😂 Good seeing you here, mate.

[@bitnev]

If you pulled that banger out, get me a podcast with Joseph Anderson and i will be forever grateful.

[@scages101]

Hey hey Sseth is on here

[@ufuk5872]

His drugged self mind you

[@scages101]

U Fuk very true

[@kingaragornii9940]

🌟 *Great to hear this podcast.*

[@sandpaperseat3228]

This podcast is a dream team 👍

[@gordlord561]

I feel like Gmanlives would be a good guest or The Examined Life of Gaming

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Gman and I chat sometimes. Time difference would be a hurdle, but not impossible, though.

[@z3r0cool55]

I'm with GoodLord on that one, Would love to see @gmanlives

[@luisvillarroel3543]

Imagine a podcast with both joseph anderson and noah caldwell

[@aaaaaahhh9537]

Noah would be god tier

[@torperator1555]

Noah and GGman have really, really bad opinions, though. Gman hardly even plays games before reviewing.

[@Hravokh]

listen to you while farming in WoW classic . perfect afternoon

[@Indigo_Gaming]

We spoke briefly about Classic. Is it still pretty active?

[@Theoreticallyyou1234]

Raycevick has the most ‘radio’ radio voice I have ever heard.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

It truly is a thing of beauty.

[@AshleysBrother]

Weirdly accurate

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

1:18:10 My favourite part about poking fun at Duken Nukem taking Forever is that Gearbox made fun of Duke in their original Half-Life Expansion via game file names. 2:27:50 Another game that did team shooter/action with one player being a commander like in RTS - Savage (Savage: Resurrection was an initially great attempt at remaking it but lack of support and dev refusal to work on anticheat killed it).

[@senecauk8363]

Aahh, Dead Space on ios rocked! So glad to hear you guys mention it!

[@mikaelhauk]

I liked The Order 1886. Not the best gameplay wise, but the story was great, and you could finish it in an afternoon. I like short games.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

I also liked the game and loved the setting, but I understand the many flaws it had, and its length is justifiably upsetting for those who spent $60 on it.

[@mikaelhauk]

@@Indigo_Gaming I can see that. Still, the older I get, the more I appreciate a game not being 100+ hours of running around an open world.

[@FlashMeterRed]

I came to Mandalore because I found that limbo of the lost review, but have been disappointed not to find more like it in his back catalogue (unless someone can direct me to some?). Interesting to see some nostaligia buttons being pushed, but would love things I loved to be mocked more when those inevitable issues of old, good games show up that at the time we just thought were what we had to live with. I like Raycevik despite some of his longer videos repeating points a few too many times (I think could use some editing down), and usually skip his modding ones. Hell, FPS don't even interest me and I still generally watch! Appreciate a great coming together of interests!

[@whoknows8264]

You can find his stream archives of the two garbage games he mentioned on YT

[@daidabus]

darn it sseth took his meds

[@NirvashTypeSeven]

I'm going to have to object to the criticisms brought up against Commander Shepard since there are two ways of playing the character, one of them being female and voiced by the fantastic Jennifer Hale. She elevates every single line of dialogue in the trilogy, lending Shepard a great deal of depth and nuance. By the end of the story, Shepard is a fully-fledged character who is no lesser than her supporting cast irrespective of the part you played in shaping her.

[@jerryjezzaberry5009]

Personal opinion here, I adore how bored and tired Male shep can be. I love the memes and jokes his half assed delivery Is and you can’t deny how perfect “it’s a big stupid jellyfish” or “we’ll bang, okay ?” Work in his voice.

[@Bluelyre]

@@jerryjezzaberry5009 yeah, they both bring something different to the character that's great. I prefer hale's delivery, but there's something about male shep's insults that are great.

[@jerryjezzaberry5009]

Mango Deelite it might be because I’ve always played as Male shep but after years of his insults and dead delivery the first time I actually could play the citadel dlc the jokes and self references were fantastic

[@Euruzilys]

*playing HOI4 while watching* *starts talking about paradox DLC* Welp here I go!

[@doctordarkness100]

Hey it's sseth!

[@JamesPinto19]

I was working on that game 2:51:42 we new we couldn't use crowd funding. The guy who pitched the game to GW sunk us on purpose in my opinion.

[@Disthron]

*Slowing down your phone to make the battery last longer* They were the ones who built the phone so the battery couldn't be easily replaced. So I don't believe that they are doing it for the user's benefit.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

We weren't defending Apple, in fact we were remorsing their updates and decisions which made older phones slower, and deprecated older apps like Infinity Blade.

[@Disthron]

@@Indigo_Gaming I get that, I guess you were a little too light-handed for my tastes. I wanted to present a little bit of solid evidence to show that you don't have to be so tentative.

[@CacheTaFace]

Great line up and great podcast!

[@RockSolitude]

Still waiting for Part 2 of your cyberpunk documentary

[@clawhammr666]

Awesome podcast and I actually really liked Saints Row 3 to mirror with how silly it was, can't compared to 2, bought saints row 2 on pc at the time, since heard good things about it, it was literally unplayable I could play maybe half an hour to an hour before game just completely broke, think I could barely get out of character creation.

[@kabusohikaru6187]

SR2 PC port is a mess, there's a mod that makes it a lot better though

[@opts1112]

Came for mandy and ray, stayed for bodacious beard

[@dylanbell268]

I can’t believe he got sseth to join

[@pineapplethief4418]

Mandalore vs Sseth when? We need proof those are separate people

[@Skleog]

Great podcast episode, great guests, great host!

[@meikahidenori]

Listening to you guys, i get memories of Warhammer online by Mythic which also didn't stay up and running very long (at least in terms with of other games like WOW or Ultima) was really tragic, the Orc side to the game was absolutely brilliant and there was so much love put into it thay just felt wasted when the online stopped. I actually bought the collectors edition (still have the box, it's houses my D&D stuff) that had a minature, comic book and art book, all lovingly created. Sometimes it's just not ment to be. People did like it alot, but some people really disliked the mechanics of the pvp and frankly paying to play it was probably the biggest turn off for many who could have played. I think a few private servers exist, but yeah..

[@MandaloreGaming]

The Age of Reckoning private server is great and really populated. Worth checking out again.

[@meikahidenori]

@@MandaloreGaming thank you ❤️

[@jacktaylor6253]

I swear to God, hearing the comments about that flying halo 4 thing, I couldn't agree more I would fully stop everything and just chase that little a-hole down cause NO. Like I'd prefer 30 crawlers over 1 knight and it

[@pickleinspector5948]

This was a great listen

[@Fenrasulfr]

What are they going on about commander Sheppard was the most charismatic of characters. We'll bang, ok.

[@Bluehawk2008]

The three greatest monotones in the game.

[@trblemayker5157]

21:11 I think he's referring to Spec Ops The Line.

[@legoravdavidson1473]

The kinect absolutely has an IR light source on it that is detected and used to figure out the Z-axis. HOWEVER it's very low resolution, so it needs to use the colour information as well as the IR to figure out what the fuck you're doing.

[@daklr2501]

Quiet guys podcast!

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

The convo at around 3:02:30 - idk if you can really call LucasArts careful with the Star Wars IP. They gave the sequel to KOTOR - which was massively successful in its own right - to a new company as its first real project. I don't think Obsidian released anything before KOTOR 2. Imagine that happening today.

[@origintrackz5235]

True, it was there first game as a studio, but they were known for developing a bunch of great games at interplay so i guess LucasArts took a chance. its not like they were completely unknown...

[@arm866]

I'm surprised you three have never spoken before. For some reason I always thought you were all friends. Also: is Mandalore Canadian or American? I've been trying to figure that out for a long time.

[@CaptainPerfect]

@@lyadh0451 that still covers a veeeeeeeery big area.

[@TheRealLegosi]

I’m pretty sure he’s American. I think southern or midewest raised.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

We've all chatted over Twitter, KZbin and DMs, but this is our first live conversation. Mandalore's American AFAIK.

[@adamofblastworks1517]

At least until recently, he's lived in the USA, and I *think* he still does.

[@hardlogic3046]

Are you in any way related to the mayor of Trinsic in ultima 7? I know it's not the most flattering comparison and I bear no ill will, but there's some strange air of similarity I just had to mention it.

[@moredetonation3755]

Oh God he calls him Kaiser Bash the fash

[@CC-xh1ok]

This was streamed? I didnt see throughout checking my subs, sad I missed it.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Yeah we went live yesterday afternoon. I wish I could ensure everyone gets notified, but honestly it's up to KZbin, unless you click the little bell icon for mandatory notifications.

[@CC-xh1ok]

Ok thanks I’ll try do find out how on mobile. Crazy amount of stuff was streaming yesterday.

[@guitar8890]

only criticism I have about this is it feels like everyone's audio is too low, and with everyone being low key soft spoken guys I end up having to max out my speakers lol love this trio otherwise tho.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Yeah it was clipping during tests so I may have overcorrected the levels before going live. Better to have quiet but clean audio, than loud and irreparable audio.

[@adamofblastworks1517]

@@Indigo_Gaming fair enough

[@BEANSON98]

You should talk to critical nobody and ssethtzeentach

[@adamofblastworks1517]

But... Sseth's right there? He's just on his meds.

[@blackknightz5036]

Sseth is on the podcast............................Mandalore just won't let him come out

[@konstantinosmavrias3160]

I loved the god made fortnite comment. Great podcast overall!

[@Indigo_Gaming]

That comment from Mandalore was gold. Had a blast talking to these gents!

[@ShepardUA]

i hope it's a youtube bug or a stream converting issue (that will resolve itself), but only 2 hours of the podcast are available

[@Indigo_Gaming]

While it's live/processing, only two hours are available at a time. All 4 hours, 42 minutes are processed now. :)