Indonesia: Diversity under threat | DW Documentary

Indonesia is considered a model state for diversity and tolerance, but there are increasing indications that Islamists are gaining more influence in the most populous Muslim country in the world.
Far more Muslims live in Indonesia than in the Middle East. The archipelago is made up of more than 17,000 islands and home to 270 million people.
Following the end of the brutal Suharto dictatorship in 1998, Indonesia became a model for a democratic Muslim majority state. But in recent years, Islamist groups have gained influence.
The report begins in Aceh. It is only here, in the northernmost province of the island of Sumatra, that a rigid interpretation of Islamic Sharia law applies - including public floggings. The reasons for the humiliating punishments are manifold: sex before or outside marriage, alcohol consumption or homosexuality.
A growing tendency towards a more conservative interpretation of Islam is also noticeable in other parts of secular Indonesia. More women are wearing headscarves in public places. The niqab, the face veil, is becoming increasingly popular. Members of minority groups feel marginalized.
"Unfortunately, Indonesia is not immune to the worldwide increase in intolerance”, says politician Yenny Wahid.
The daughter of the first elected president after the Suharto dictatorship stands for cosmopolitanism and represents a liberal view of Islam. She, too, has observed a slow Islamization of her homeland and the tendency of politicians to make concessions to radical and populist groups.
Student activists blame the corruption of the ruling class for growing radicalism and undermining diversity.
The documentary "Indonesia - Diversity Under Threat" asks whether the country can preserve its religious tolerance.
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[@tumpalsagala6258]

As a Christian minority in Indonesia, I've never found any significant discrimination related to religion in my life yet. Most of my colleagues are Christians and get along with the Muslims. However, the radical Islam seems to rise, corrupt politicians are using those radicals to back them. It just like a time bomb, someday it could be a chaotic country if this trend continues. I just hope the best for my country.

[@billysabilla]

it's DW afterall, expect nothing...

[@ramatgan1]

No one is asking why this is happening. This is happening because of decades of Saudi money going into charities, endowments, madrassas to further whabbaism.

[@holadonkey]

@Christina R fundamentalism is the disease of religion . must be a radical to oppose fundamentalism , nationalism and extreme capitalism and communism . freedom but respect the rights of others and the rights of the Earth to exist for future generations .

[@wartab6318]

@@ramatgan1 no stupid...this is pure politics, its divide and conquer...the current president is just a salesman who being forced into become precidency , he has no skill at all ...and his team used divide taqtique to gain support from minority, by using "test the water" approach and sadly the Muslims majority quite often fell into their traps ..this wasnt the first time...PDIP party (main power who support Joko widodo )is pro comunist view

[@wartab6318]

tumpal you need to see from our view to, that way communication built-in proper manner ..this was never a religious issue or race but due to poor decision, policy from the current leader...you think theres only radical Islam? but what about those Christian radicals who also fueling this tension under the table?

[@nicodarmawansumantra3838]

Indoensians tend to forget that our founding fathers didn't build this nation around a singular ideology, but instead it is the accumulation of multiple ideologies from different periods in time. Our nation has been known for its tolerance and diversity, heck, it's even our national motto, Bhinneka Tunggal Ika, but somehow ignorance has become too powerful, creating a dark future for this nation.

[@clawclamzz5136]

Even the Pancasila is ideology of so many people with various background :(

[@theodora4218]

As Indonesian myself, a nation born around in one singular ideology is tend to fall apart. ideology pop ups everytime, a nation cannot survive itself in it's basic ideology while other nation are growing to make their society better. That's why philosophy is as important as religion. But Indonesian tend to equalize philosophy and atheism. Sebuah negara gaakan sehat kalo gaada sisi oposisi di dalamnya, sedangkan di Indoensia gaada oposisi politik, semua tergantung power, uang, dan kultur yang gamasuk akal.

[@Juan-yc6wf]

@@theodora4218 gila bener bgt apa kata lu

[@Halo-wp3zh]

i know this is actually really dangerous, what is worng with this people, do they never went to school and learnt pkn

[@theodora4218]

@@Halo-wp3zh it's normal for indonesian. pelajaran hanya sebagai obyek yang bukan semata2 untuk pengetahuan, namun hanya sebagai obyek untuk melewati 3 tahapan pendidikan. As a fresh high school graduate in Medan, this is what i see. Karena sistem pendidikan yang mengutamakan nilai dibanding meaning dari pengetahuan tersebut, akhirnya lulusan sma sampai terbawa ke kuliah juga seperti itu. cuma sedikit orang yang bener2 mikir kalau ilmu itu ya untuk kehidupan, bukan semata2 karena untuk lulus dan alat mencari uang di masa depan. Tidak pentingnya sejarah selain Perjuangan kemerdekaan dan masa kerajaan Indonesia, ngebuat banyak warga yang ter doktrin dengan Agama, terlebih yang dominan adalah agama Islam, yang dimana filsafatnya itu "kalau belum dapat berarti itu kehendak tuhan" instead of "i must really know this thing/get this thing for the sake of humanity" itu juga faktor lain kenapa pendidikan Indonesia seperti itu. Don't get me wrong, gw juga islam, kata2 gw tadi berlaku ke semua agama, bukan berarti itu salah, namun beberapa filosofi mesti dikedepankan, karena kebanyakan inventor di tahun 1800 an bahkan kebanyakan atheis, dan secara ironis kaum2 beragama menggunakan alat penemuan orang2 atheis yang mereka sebut sebagai calon penghuni nerakanya. Budaya kita sudah mengakar si, apalagi dari segi tontonan, edukasi, dan kultur sehari2 yang menurut gw sedikit kemungkinan untuk Indonesia berubah, kecuali ada peristiwa yang bener2 mendalam atau berdampak, seperti perang, atau yang lainnya, kalau keadaan begini terus, gak yakin negara ini bahkan bisa bertahan lebih dari 200 atau 150 tahun kedepan.

[@lexnergy]

This happens in every Muslim countries, not only Indonesia

[@ankokunokayoubi]

Similar pattern. What's going on really? Some accuse the _extremist_ preachers linked to Saudi that is behind stuffs we saw in countries, and some accuse extremism is the phenomenon of one denomination carried to other.

[@bluee5991]

​@@ankokunokayoubibecause Islam, wether the beliefers accept it or not, means to be in a politic. I was a muslim, and I learnt it again and again and again through schools that our religion, Islam, is and should be the source and guide for everything in life. The only reason Indonesia wasn't a muslim country because the culture that affects the people at that time were pretty tolerant unless there was some kind of manipulation to hate a group happened. My sister once said "Why are you okay with lgbt atheist?", and I said "because those people are non-beliefers, so they shouldn't be judge by our religion?". "But do you believe in Allah, in Islam? If Allah is true, then that mean His rules should be rules for everyone, we even have rules how to treat non-beliefers, why does non-beliefers should be judge using other than Islamic rules if you really believe in Allah?" I believe that non-beliefers shouldn't be judge by my religion at that time, to me that's what makes sense because I've learnt to be tolerant. But at the same time, I had a hard time answering her last question because I know that her statement is true, we learnt that in Islam, religion is a guide for EVERYTHING, not just a way of a lifestyle, but EVERYTHING, which included politics, law, economic, etc.

[@2rythm797]

Indonesia is not an Islamic country despite it’s being largest muslim population

[@ankokunokayoubi]

@@2rythm797 it's quite like Türkiye despite being shy about being secular

[@tashithinlas3184]

Indonesia and Malaysia have a background influence of Chinese, Taoist, Buddhist cultures. The effects of Islamic culture is muted. As fundamentalist influence hardens it is not going to be the same in future. Below are the effects on a nation as the population becomes increasingly Muslim (Note: it mirrors the three stages of Jihad found in the Quran which is initially peaceful, then defensive before becoming explicitly aggressive): As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority: United States - Muslim 1.0% Australia - Muslim 1.5% Canada - Muslim 1.9% China - Muslim 1%-2% Italy - Muslim 1.5% Norway - Muslim 1.8% At 2% and 3% Muslims begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs: Denmark - Muslim 2% Germany - Muslim 3.7% Spain - Muslim 4% From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal food. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves - along with threats for failure to comply. France - Muslim 8% Philippines - Muslim 5% Sweden - Muslim 5% Switzerland - Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands - Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago - Muslim 5.8% When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they willingly increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris -car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons). Guyana - Muslim 10% India - Muslim 13.4% Israel - Muslim 16% Kenya - Muslim 10% Russia - Muslim 10-15% After reaching 20% there will often be hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia - Muslim 32.8% At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare: Bosnia - Muslim 40% Chad - Muslim 53.1% Lebanon - Muslim 59.7% From 60% the will be unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on non-muslims: Albania - Muslim 70% Malaysia - Muslim 60.4% Qatar - Muslim 77.5% Sudan - Muslim 70% After 80% we see State run ethnic cleansing and genocide: Bangladesh - Muslim 83% Egypt - Muslim 90% Gaza - Muslim 98.7% Indonesia - Muslim 86.1% Iran - Muslim 98% Iraq - Muslim 97% Jordan - Muslim 92% Morocco - Muslim 98.7% Pakistan - Muslim 97% Palestine - Muslim 99% Syria - Muslim 90% Tajikistan - Muslim 90% Turkey - Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates - Muslim 96% 100% will usher in ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ - the Islamic House of Peace - where there is now universal peace (because there is complete submission) and this is what it looks like: Afghanistan - Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia - Muslim 100% Somalia - Muslim 100% Yemen - Muslim 99.9%

[@shivamrode9504]

Indonesia is the only converted muslim country that didn't destroy its Hindu and Buddhist monuments and heritage. I hope they keep it up and don't turn into radicals like in pakistan, afghanistan and bangladesh.

[@RadikSharkas]

А я надеюсь разрушат эту погонь

[@AlfariziZakaria]

Yes, that's right, I agree that this country will remain a secular democratic country, And I think, for example, if Indonesia and Malaysia don't turn into Muslim countries, maybe they will be like Thailand

[@merlotvibe]

And I hope India don't be radical and destroy it's heritage from Mughal's era.

[@VivekKamble-ir4xq]

​@@merlotvibeMughal destroyed lots of ancient Hindu temple they are villain in India

[@jerrydarmaeuw9548]

Soekarno once said that: My struggle was easier because of eradicating invaders. However, your struggle will be harder because you're facing your own nation. His quotes seemed to be true due to the high trend of corruption.

[@christdaniel8953]

not corruption sir, but more into radicalization of religion

[@ariffurqan9862]

@@christdaniel8953 i think corruption is the real problem, and religion only be a tool for that

[@christdaniel8953]

@@ariffurqan9862 Actually in the long run, I think both are the problem. But in this video, they highlighted mostly on how this religious based movement are being misguided in creating public actions, policies and social trends among people in democratic countries. Not discussing corruption directly.

[@MrZero-tn4uc]

@@ariffurqan9862 nah nah nah coruption is lowkey understandable... The radicalization in the name of religion is disgusting!!!!!!!! 2016-2017 they trying to takedown the goverment.. They self proclaim to be habib check indonesia fake habib who change his name to habib not as honor title but as a name..

[@alverofathir]

Isnt this a lyric from the Epic Rap Battles Of Presidency made by skinnyindonesia24,but translated?

[@vincentwidjaja688]

The fact that this country can't separate religion with a politic (and even using religion as a political campaign) is a mess

[@razaqadeanova3255]

True, They're using the majority's religion as a bait to gain vote from brainless people without real work progress in mind is just awful, those kind of people that escalate and keep repeating all of these mess. The circle never ends.

[@stateservant]

Thanks to full democracy, extrimists can speak. Democracy or dictatorship, they are just systems. They work only as good as the people behind them.

[@netizenterhormat9768]

Karena kita bukan negara sekuler bro , di sila pertama udah jelas KeTuhanan Yang Maha Esa .. yang jadi masalah adalah kaum konservatif dan kaum nasionalis coba gabung kekuatan jadi itu yang membuat isu agama jadi gorengan hangat dimasyarakat dan orang-orang coba tetap mencoba sekuler hanya bisa komen di media sosial seperti kuta ini

[@stateservant]

@@netizenterhormat9768 Negara kita sekuler. Tapi tidak atheis. Njenengan tidak akan mau negara sektarian. Sekuler bukan berarti tidak beragama, tapi tidak bawa bawa isu/sentimen/faktor agama ke ranah politik. Dalam eksekusi, pemerintahan harus terpisah dengen masjid/gereja/kuil/dll agar tidak ada konflik kepentingan.

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

5:40

[@vrushalidhongade5725]

I grew up in this beautiful country, and it has the most humble, kind and loving population. I will always pray for Indonesia to thrive, remain happy and for its people to continue to enjoy the merits of democracy.

[@mamoruchiba3301]

I'm an Indonesian a Christian... I got a lot of religion related bullying from the majority, and i'm really really tired from the bullying or bashing from the majority... So one day when i can't take it anymore i might leave this country. Via political asylum if i have to...

[@lunascomments3024]

he just had a bad friend circle and assume everyone behave like that. loser behavior I would say.

[@Pakistani-Islamist]

​@@sentientartificialintelligencethere is no such thing as a radical Muslim

[@mamoruchiba3301]

​@@lunascomments3024loser behaviour huh? My church got burned down by an angry mobs when i was an infant I was bullied by the entire neighbourhood since i was 3 Then what happened when i fight back? I was got threatened by them that they would report me to the cops. If you were in my shoes you will less like it....

[@KeyToTheTruth]

Kamu harus kuat sodaraku. Sebagai penguatan, silahkan suruh mereka (muslim) untuk buka Quran 33:50, disitu dijelaskan bahwa muhammad boleh ngesex dengan pengikutnya. Itu kebenarannya, tp mereka pasti mengelak! Kalau mereka membahas salomo punya 700 istri, katakan bahwa salomo tidak diperintahkan Tuhan untuk punya 700 istri, it dilakukan untuk kepentingan politik. Sedangkan muhammad? Olloh (bukan Allah kita yg hidup) mengijinkan muhammad untuk ngesex sama semua wanita muslim. Mereka muslim hanya peduli sama angka. Lihat mereka merasa kuat karena jumlah pengikut. Sedangkan kita Kristen harus kuat dalam pertumbuhan kualitas. Roma 12:11-12 (TB) Janganlah hendaknya kerajinanmu kendor, biarlah rohmu menyala-nyala dan layanilah Tuhan. Bersukacitalah dalam pengharapan, sabarlah dalam kesesakan, dan bertekunlah dalam doa!

[@KeyToTheTruth]

​@@lunascomments3024nope. I know how he feels. Islam do teaches bullying against non-muslim. Look at muhammad historical evidence. He challenged groups of Christian for mubahalah (last resort if debates can't be resolved by putting curse one on the others) after losing heated debates. The Christian were backing-up because IT IS NOT the way of Christian to put on curse to others. Muhammad do teach to be strong against Non-Muslims. But he loses debates & challenge to curse for the wrong. He said that they'll die if they accept the mubahalah. But in the end, the mubahalah backfired to muhammad. He died horrifically on Aisha bosoms (According to Sahih Bukhari). Also his family dies horrifically by the acts of killing.

[@kenwongsa5273]

As a foreigner, lived in Indonesia before, I can say that the great majority of Indonesians are nice and hospitable. Only few ones are radical. The problems are, you don't know when yo will cross path with those radical ones, and they can do what they want in the name of religion. No politician nor police seems to care about the victims.

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

WHO?? WHO IS THE VICTIMS?

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

5:40

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

NSULT RELIGION IN INDONESIA IN NOT THE RIGHT TRANSLATION.. IT IS ACTUALY ABUSE! WRONG TRANSLATION WRONG MEANING!

[@kenwongsa5273]

did I not type "cross path" lol

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

@@kenwongsa5273 i understand lol but for me it means nothing wether you did or not there is soo rare the existance of radicals but more of religious and courage to tell the diferent of a radical and a non radical but a great muslim or ann encourage muslim.. in indonesia only those who lived and speak the language understand

[@lincylink9463]

I'm Indonesian, and everytime i think about this, all this nontolerance and racism, i want to cry. This beautiful country, with so many uniqueness, have to suffer. I feel sad, furious, and dissapointed at the same time. I can't do much, as a teenager. All i can do is pray, study and keep open minded so that i don't get affected by all this madness.

[@raditya_s9463]

Im so sad ... Sangat sedih dan malu ... This is my tolerance country ?

[@lincylink9463]

@@raditya_s9463 iya kann😔😔

[@raditya_s9463]

@AlifPengembaraan A&H terimakasih for you Malaysia 🇲🇾

[@lincylink9463]

@AlifPengembaraan A&H ❤❤😢

[@tbg6757]

Aku muslim, tp islam yg mereka anut pasti berbeda dg islam yg aku anut. Mereka membuat penjara bagi diri mereka sendiri, membatasi pandangan mereka, tuli pada pendapat org lain, dan merenggut kemerdekaan manusia.

[@masedimasedi7196]

Indonesia spends Rp 66 Trillion or around $4.6 Billion her budget to build mega mosques every year, yet do not have enough money to control the flood for the fastest sinking city in the world, Jakarta.

[@imeldamayer-taylor2783]

What a beautiful country . According to my DNA test , I have Indonesian heritage . A country to visit.

[@youtubeviewer2919]

This shows the level of education in Indonesia; easiest way to control the uneducated is via religion.

[@sloeberdoet]

the more uneducated the more religious and the more conservative end sectarian.

[@wijayaj001]

@who know? no, there are more country teaches standard human morals than religion. A country build on religion is easily manipulated and ended up being a puppet country.

[@MultiManiac77]

This is so true in so many levels. Look at Ahoks case, even an Imam says he didnt made any bad remarks against the Quran, but the FPI did, theyre terrorists, gangsters, ISIS coward version who works for rich people they call "Kafir"

[@johndickens5945]

It is easier to control people with the promise of secularism, democracy, riches, individualism, freedom and all the other base desires of mankind. What is difficult would be to control those base desires and act godly.

[@radjadawamindra697]

In other words, the religions itself is not the problem, its extremism that is the problem. On that matter, extremism of any kind is always a bad thing. I'm proud Muslim myself but I always learn from every and all kinds of sources to prevent my belief to become too extreme.

[@kimyo-jong4035]

“To avoid adultery just permit polygamy (for men)”. What a great logic. Perhaps we just have to permit all sins to ‘avoid’ them.

[@zelina364]

how can you comment from North Korea when you don't have internet there. lol😂

[@kimyo-jong4035]

Dafini Dafini I’m special.

[@sushantnarang7552]

@@zelina364 so what, do u love plolygamy

[@kimyo-jong4035]

sushant narang Obviously not.

[@sushantnarang7552]

@@kimyo-jong4035 Why?

[@RimbawanGerilya]

I think one of the main driving force for intolerance is what we Indo call "social envy" between classes. The muslim fundamentalists, with their inherent rigidity, are having a hard time being relevant in modern society while the more flexible secular people seem to reap the benefits of the system although actually most of them are just as impoverished. A less rigid/demanding culture could do us good and drive out those who want to benefit from the animosity between groups.

[@rashiidabdallah1648]

The Christian , hindu and Buddhists are the fundamentalists

[@vader_117]

Well welcome to INDIA😂😂😂

[@VOLightPortal]

Been there and tried that in MANY Western countries already. It simply makes it easier for them to get the upper hand and it's worse now than ever. It has very little to do with class and everything to do with what is written, and mandated in a religious book. It makes Scientology or Mormonism look like a kid's club. The only solution left is a hardline zero-tolerance policy for radical religious fundamentalism with punishment of life sentence and or deportation.

[@yongbobe478]

I have been to Aceh and Sabang two times. The shot of Pulau Klah made me cry... I loved the place, the food, the coffee, the people. Felt like home and will go back. I have my friends there. It is so sad to see ignorant people like the man portrayed here gaining momentum... So sad.

[@iamachinesepetwholies5476]

Stay strong Indonesia, from your Philippines neighboring brother🇵🇭 we share both problems and I think your people deserve the change and help they need

[@gunawanpalakia3999]

Thanks my brother austronesian.

[@gungatz6696]

There really isn't a problem that cannot be solved. So just keep at it. And embrace change. "There is unity, in diversity."

[@rumblefish9]

We Filipinos take a lot of things for granted. We have our issues, yes, but in terms of being culturally diverse... Filipinos are more tolerant. We are more LBGTQ-tolerant than our neighboring countries, we've closed the gender gap and in fact, there is a growing number of female bread-winners. The Philippines has closed 78% of its overall gender gap--the best-performing country in Asia. Let's not take these things for granted.

[@johayrmacatanong6231]

@@rumblefish9 Yeah but that tolerance will be gone in few years. There is actually a rise of Christian Fundamentalism and Zionism in the Philippines. Just few years ago, there is a congressman who propose a new bill to make mandatory bible reading in public schools. Christian Fundamentalism is increasingly creeping in the government. We are just lucky that our president duterte is an agnostic and he did not signed that bill. And now those same christian fundamentalist are again trying to make christian centric bills and laws. They want to make the philippines a christian theocractic country. They are doing what the muslim fundamentalists in malaysia and indonesia are doing. Undermining the minority and turning those country into an islamic country. I dont know if PBMM will allow those christian zealots to influence our government. We'll just see it.

[@GabrielDipo]

Comment section is so sweet and non toxic. I love it. Unfortunately, only well educated Indonesians are able to speak English and those people are rarely to be found.

[@cateatinrat78]

Not really...maybe they just haven't found this video?

[@yuu0294]

you'll found plenty of them on twitter, but unfortunately most of them are cancerous SJW/feminists

[@GabrielDipo]

@@yuu0294 yes, closely related to feminists.

[@acumenfinito]

There are plenty of well-educated Indonesians who don't speak English, and plenty of uneducated ones who do. As someone who's spent many years there and speaks their language, I'd politely suggest not equating English language ability with education level. Indonesia has done a good job of building the language's relevancy within the country and even beyond its borders, in the example of other countries like Russia, China, Japan, Korea, etc. This kind of thinking contributes to that post-colonial inferiority complex so many people from the former colonies possess.

[@GabrielDipo]

@Rasendriya most of them aren't indonesian

[@knice123]

I love Indonesia so much because of their amazing diversity and combination of various cultures. They also make amazing music and the people are kind. I hope they remain the same always, without becoming a sharia country. From 🇮🇳

[@ArazQizilbash]

As an academic, I did extensive research on law, education system and political organization models in Indonesia for 2 years and I have been processing the data I have collected for a year. Indonesia has very big system problems that are ignored and these problems are getting bigger day by day and we can clearly feel the various fault ruptures, like the herald of a great social earthquake. 1. Indonesia as a country does not have an education system, it does not have it, and the quality of the existing education is extremely low, and this result (educated illiterate) is an outcome targeted by politicians. Abroad-based religious groups are opening schools in Indonesia like grocery stores and raising militant individuals for their own radical ideologies. No matter how independent these schools may seem, they are actually shaped and managed by a committee. While the absence of an education system turns the country into a field of ignorant individuals, religious ideological groups acting under the guise of education offer plenty of potential militants. 2. The economy has been parceled out among certain groups (religious-secular), and systematic networks of rent/bribery/corruption have been created and the security of these networks has been secured. The state and so-called religious groups do not care about Indonesian teenage girls who are forced to work abroad as live-in maids/babysitters due to economic hardship, and the rape and bullying they suffer, and they have not even felt the need to address this problem until now, but they have recently criminalized sexual relations and relationships of unregistered couples. they actually enacted a social blackmail law! 3. Another grave problem that is ignored in Indonesia is tribal fascism and regional Rasism. This existing fascism/Rasism actually serves as the "life insurance" of the commercial gangs that collapsed the economy and their corrupt politicians, rather than a national target. While ignorant/poor citizens, who are condemned to a miserable life, are governing with religious and tribal fallacies, behind the curtain, Muslim/Christian/Hindu/Buddhist/secular gang leaders act in alliance like their own brothers and enrich their wealth. Although Islam is an extremely intolerant religion, peace-loving Muslims are the majority (for now) in Indonesia as well as in the rest of the world, and they are actually trying to bring radical Islam in Indonesia today, as they protect the Muslim tenor against other religions within the framework of neighborly law that is far from conflict! In short, dark days are waiting for Indonesians due to the monopolies in the economy, the education system aiming to raise ignorant individuals, the absence of separation of powers, equality in law and the absence of an independent judiciary.

[@juk-hw5lv]

Wise words my man, wise words. I'm so sad seeing this happen as someone who loves Indonesia specifically because of its diversity

[@hourbee5535]

Muslim demand acceptance in Europe, but not so much for non-Muslims in the countries where they came from

[@vyh-186]

Correct. Not only in Europe but in other western countries as well. Ironically these people don’t want to live in muslim countries.

[@ephraimtobing9491]

@@vyh-186 nothing's ironic about it, the reason why non-muslim Indonesians (like me) prefer to not move to islamic countries is because our culture and lifestyles are barely acceptable there...

[@haileybaldwinjack1006]

Western country should take non-believer, minority in their country.i'm a agnostic. I fear for my life so i have to act as a muslim.its really hard. But instead of us western country are taking some risky muslim.

[@edwardkumarkenway1875]

@@haileybaldwinjack1006 you Indonesian ?

[@ironheart5830]

Hypocrisy :D

[@byakugan641]

As an Indonesians, i felt like i need to show this to all of Indonesians. . . That we just abandoned our very most foundation as a Citizens of Indonesia, "Bhineka Tunggal Ika" , Unity in Diversity

[@toshareknowledge]

So you don't know another more dangerous community?

[@travelgalaxy8291]

We most muslim want unity in diversity and to respect others

[@JCDentonman]

@@closetedninja9099 just run away from ur family and starts a new life XD nah jk

[@AkshayKumar-pz4zy]

and the idea of Islam is exact that

[@clagonoxygen5279]

@@travelgalaxy8291 we all see consequences in Bangladesh

[@somerslim25]

I am a Singaporean chinese Muslim, my colleague bring me to downtown jakarta and we pass by the largest mosque in south east asia and next to it is a big church, he narrate to me that every Friday, the church will open the car park for cars to park inside and Sunday , the mosque car park will be open for christian worshippers , what bring me to tears , is the story is told by my colleague who is a Hindu. For indonesia to survive and strong , is to preserve pancasila , I always support and love ❤ indonesia 🇮🇩

[@AndiArim]

Tenanglah kawan. Media barat itu buruk. mereka membenci agama Islam. Jika kami membenci non muslim seharusnya sudah dari dulu mereka kami usir dari Indonesia. Mereka akan selalu memfitnah orang" Islam yang ada di dunia. Dulu kami memiliki agama asli yaitu namanya kapitayan bukan agama Hindu atau Budha

[@nanya_dong]

I'd to rejected Islamic state law even I'm Muslim in Indonesia 😤😤

[@KingKhan-bi7kb]

Then sorry brother. You should try to build a islamic state as like of rashidun caliphate as you have so good majority. If you leave islam, you will be disgraced in this world and also hereafter.

[@mithun9643]

Then how you call your self muslim do your quoran and hadith give you all these rights

[@nanya_dong]

@@mithun9643 we aren't extrimist do like in the middle eastern, Indonesian belongs to secularism, Religions can't involved in Constitution

[@DeinosuchusXAnims]

Yeah, Sharia is just for muslims... why should christians/others follow the muslim laws? I reject it too if they base the laws on sharia.

[@idk443]

We need the real secularism tbh.

[@bkk06ust]

It is important to recognize that Indonesia is not a Muslim country, but a secular country with Muslim majority. The constitution of the country is very clear on that, even if less tolerant fractions of society do not want to acknowledge this.

[@pikapi6993]

a constitution doesn't matter if the government gets away with ignoring it. You can't be secular if you allow people to practice sharia law.

[@lilyannal5159]

I am sad the Indonesia loss their culture and tradition to ARAB culture and tradition, when they take the Islam as their religious.

[@lilyannal5159]

To hear young women said she is comfortable with cover from head to toe with black clothing in the hot climate region, it's lie and she is lying to herself. She can have Islam as her religious, she does not have to loss her culture to Arab culture and tradition. What a shame.

[@apple1652]

Sad reality

[@ohno676]

​​@@lilyannal5159 im sad christian did colonize us, and im glad muslim freed my country from those christian

[@MuhammadIlhmm]

this documentary is better than indonesia's citizenship education

[@gracedanepenthe]

Lah.bener uga

[@ncrveteranranger5124]

Sad but true

[@Alice-ce3lm]

Well sad but its true :V

[@mustofalionpiranhanilecroc4105]

True but sad

[@rezqyagung7782]

Skolah gua gk tau klo ada begini an

[@rogerparker4468]

Spent a fair bit of time in Sumatra and Bali (of course). Heard so many amazing stories of the beauty of the great Archipelago. Beautiful beyond compare in terms of its biodiversity for sure, but its cultural diversity is also as amazing and deserves to be preserved. Much love from NZ

[@TheLegenDacster]

An interesting and insightful documentary. Many thanks to everyone involved. Wishing the peoples of Indonesia, a happy and harmonious future.

[@christasyasentana8535]

I'm a Christian Chinese born and raised in Jakarta, Indonesia. I have alot of Muslim, Christian and Buddhist friends both from school and work. It's sad that these radicals are trying to destroy the diversity I love about Indonesia, All religion teaches us to love :(

[@dilafadhilah5147]

@@hanggaraaryagunarencagutuh7072 akhinya nemu komen yg ideal tnp berat kubu kiri dan kanan. Mereka nyenggol2 perempuan2 pake niqab dgn istilah mabok agama sehingga menjurus ke radikalisme yg harus diberantas. Sdgkn dilain sisi cewe2 yg berpakaian macem nikmir atau dinar candy makin maju sepak terjangnya di publik dgn pembelaan human rights. Human right-shit. kebebasan cm berlaku bagi mrk yg mengklaim dirinya open minded. ntah apa tujuannya tp semakin jelas ingin membuat stigma bagi para pemeluk agama yg mencoba dekat dan taat kpd Tuhan adalah ideologi kolot.

[@chromosome8979]

@MAni AC o

[@imreino9228]

@MAni AC lol how about with the Islamic golden Age who make alot of sciences and biology and most of them you are currently use?

[@abcd-oy8ed]

@@imreino9228 Ya like earth is flat. Lol

[@imreino9228]

@@abcd-oy8ed flat earth is from Arab anda europe at that time human is belive what they see they use imagination that they think its make sense in that time technology is not advanced like at this era and also human also belive that sun is rotating the earth so at this point you have no right to judge them if judge them its same you judge human Notes:Human is beliving that sun rotating earth cause its make sense to them even in the truth that earth rotating the sun why they know cause they do research In sience so shut up please if you really like to debate something that doesn't make any sense meet a idiot that have same mind of you

[@Michael19830106]

All hope is lost when someone says that praying is more important than children.

[@olik1228]

I think he mean like God is more important than everything. How important do you think God is? if your family turned away from god would you choose family or god? that's what he means that god comes first

[@closetedninja9099]

The truth is, there was a suicidal bomb which involved kids. So there was a man and his wive who brought their kids to do suicidal bombs, only one kid survived. That's just how radicalism effed up your brain.

[@kataotr3816]

🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙

[@steven.1130]

@@olik1228 do you think all people are under muslim rule? Do you think all people has a religion? Some of they are Atheist, Activist, or Believer that Humanity is ABOVE religion..

[@olik1228]

@@steven.1130 i just explain what he said, so i dont says that all people have religion.

[@arnabbanerjee6948]

In every Muslim majority country diversity will sooner or later be in threat. Mark my words. World is full of such examples and Indonesia will not be any different.

[@zariftajoar9562]

Keep your eyes fixed on your own country.

[@salmansalman1369]

@@zariftajoar9562 in India the problem maker is minority particular community they challenge the majority and other minority and not patriotic in my state indias best state here no religions problems for any one but all of the sudden Islamic fundamentals raises they making problems now here not much Hindu fundamentals like North but we afraid of that being happen by the help of this radicals

[@rashiidabdallah1648]

What is diversity?

[@axuli99]

People of certain backgrounds just seem to cause chaos, violence and destruction wherever they go 🤷‍♀

[@factshunter7409]

Indonesia should see Iran as example , how Islamic Revolution 1979 destroyed beauty of Iran in all aspects..

[@markm5758]

Better yet they should conduct an Islamic revolution similar to Iran’s one and institute sharia law

[@xriex97]

That could be sad...

[@gamer-le5di]

taliban Afganistan or taliban Pakistan and taliban indonistan , people want to go back to primitif life style. they must go to kill human for God, they believe it,s a way go to heaven... (taliban, aqaeda, isis, boko haram, abu sayaf,etc).

[@vianized5248]

that will never happen in Indonesia..

[@elclassico9834]

They dont care and they wont realised it either. Their brains are brainwashed and they're too obsess with their own stupid religious beliefs.

[@RB-rp6ud]

I really respect the idealism of Indonesian students who stand up strongly for what they believe. Unity through diversity.

[@theultrabasedputin9099]

Only if Islam is kicked out of the equation

[@RB-rp6ud]

@@theultrabasedputin9099 Religion be it Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc was never a problem but it’s those followers who use religion for the wrong reasons.

[@theultrabasedputin9099]

@@RB-rp6ud Islam was actually from its dawn

[@christophealexander3262]

@@RB-rp6ud only one is the most dangerous todah

[@muayboran6111]

@@RB-rp6ud That is where you're wrong my friend... don't look at the people, we all know people are bad, look into the scripture, look at the patterns that promote this

[@reskyeldryan7350]

I remembered when I was in elementary public school. I had a christian class friend named Michael, he was kind of a nice person but some of my muslim friends used to bully him just because of different beliefs by making fun of his God or himself verbally. I felt really bad and guilty that I was also part of those bullies too, and some other minorities in my elementary school also have been bullied by the same reason and same kind of bullying. I don't know if this is happening alot in other public schools, but because of this many minorities have to avoid public schools to avoid bullying and go to private schools instead. But after I went to middle school and then, there was no bullying because of different beliefs anymore, everyone respects each other. And I made some non-muslim friends they're really nice. Since middle school as I grew up to be more mature myself I have changed all of my perspective about others' religions and began respecting them. You see, these discriminations in Indonesia already started even when they're still young since there's lack of good parenting and alot of intolerance in their environment, most of the kids didn't know that the country is filled with many diversities, they consider people with different religion as heresy and hating on them. In worst case scenario, they grew up with that mindset and influenced by bad religion leaders. Please note that Islam never teach about that, it's the people who misunderstood their own religion. And I found zero discrimination after I went to middle school, most of muslims are nice to other religions. And like a lot lot of people here make friends regardless of religion. Those were just my perspectives and what really happened when I was in elementary school. The discriminations and bad influences you're seeing in Indonesia right now is because of bad politician, media and religion leaders that are influencing a lot of people. Up till' now I still feel bad and guilty for bullying someone when I was in elementary school.

[@claraisnotmebutilikeit]

good for you, it's never too late to change yourself be a better person.

[@DeinosuchusXAnims]

Ikr lots of Indonesian muslims forget "Bhinneka Tunggal Ika" but I, a Depok muslim doesn't have any problem with other religions as long as they respect us too

[@flosupr]

As an indonesian student even during physics class, our teacher even talked about their religion and insult other religions. It's pretty common if you go to the government school (aka negeri). Im used to it😏

[@jonfee5081]

Do they also disrespect islam

[@cindranitaJc]

I'm a Chinese Indonesian, despite what he said the minorities especially chinese Christians and Papuans are experiencing this rising intolerance. I would say most Indonesians even the muslims are okay some are tolerrant and really use their brain and conscience to think what's right and wrong, but there are some who are radicals and intolerrant towards others even tho there are around 1000+ ethnic cultures and languages in Indonesia which was the basis of multicultural Indonesia in the first place. These radical groups are being supported by corrupted politicians , which is the danger of its rising here.

[@brpamungkas7905]

@Azarello funny how you mention about that "holocaust" when its happen first because political reason. And before you say that later many muslim taking part in that incident, yes it does (So does other religion too). And i for one, condemn all people who took that incident to wrongfully kill those who innocent. My point is, stop with your half-asset fearmongering bait or perhaps try harder next time.

[@stanza2768]

@Azarello where's your proof? this just seems like a completely anecdotal generalisation which has no weight to it. Any surveys? any statistics?

[@JeSt4m]

I believe the problem is that IRL you simply doesn't just be racist fuck to every single damn people you meet otherwise you're probably are hurt, jailed, dead or all above. However as typical of Indonesian trait once they get in group they became way braver and suddenly all their racist bigoted side is coming out in full view. The meme "apes together strong" really fit indonesian mentality.

[@hindenburg1113]

When you right or not racist you get Bullying Like me I hate racist be cause that wrong and I get bullying I don't understand what happened in the people brain

[@hachibidelta4237]

@Azarello No majority of Indonesian Muslim are rural who are poorly educated, then they got approached by toxic Wahhabi and forced to appropriate.

[@sidlee7205]

When people become fanatic, that's when it becomes dangerous because they stop to be rational.

[@r.m.pereira5958]

When was religion a rational thing?!

[@T-Spoon-of-Old-and-Gold]

@@r.m.pereira5958 😁😁😁100%

[@blitzz4741]

@@r.m.pereira5958 it will be rational when we all die. Life doesn't form itself instead by conditioning and arrangement. There's a lot of proof but you just ignore and blinding your self to it

[@sartikalestari597]

@@r.m.pereira5958 especially country contain "shari'ah" in their understanding.

[@tappei_]

@@bimaswitch3352 these days there are slightly no difference between nonmainstream and mainstream one. everything is accessible. any excuse?

[@carnivorewitch]

You know why Bali is the best place in Indonesia? Because they are Balinese Hindu. I used to be a Muslim and while I can respect people's religions, having been in it and have left it, I can see the pitfalls of it more than someone who is brainwashed, born into, or even outside of it. I have a lot in common with the hotel manager... we broke so much of our social and cultural conditioning and travelled. It makes a big difference in the way we see life.

[@user-cc8nc5iu1s]

9:58 Imagine wearing a niqab in the tropical climate 😳

[@indahnovita8146]

As an Indonesian, I am terrified to watch this documentary. There are some groups getting more radical everyday.

[@arjunbaihaqy9496]

bener sis..apalagi pasca peristiwa ahok kemaren.. mereka jadi merasa dapat celah buat dapet perhatian

[@dimaswitanto2994]

They used islam as a political regime, Modify the religion taking to they own advantage, its not islam anymore its a psychotic cult

[@danangsasmi3073]

Well, then... why dont we resist?

[@awfan221]

In 10 years your country will have many Wahhabis, unfortunately. You'll see your progressive way of life slowly get pegged back and more parts of the country will become like Aceh. Best of luck to you and to minorities in that country

[@loveandpeace8217]

I'm from Pakistan but livin in korea i was thinking to visit Indonesia and in sha Allah i will

[@anggaseptian9935]

What one common thing that these people say? Rewards. They don't worshipp God, they're worshipping their ego.

[@fadhilarahmasabrina7308]

pahala -_-

[@vivianne0]

And surga. 😂

[@yusrina1466]

Exactly

[@kopikool1583]

how easy you judges other people ... if you re a muslim, pls dont.

[@defeatedpuppy9284]

And u worship cows

[@Qwerty-db1js]

I just visited Indonesia myself and saw this massive billboard of interfaith conference in Jakarta Pusat. I think this is the first step of ensuring religious freedom.... which is good for Indonesia.

[@godnah]

If you ever find yourself in a group of people all chanting the same answers to rehearsed call and responses, RUN!

[@laishramgojendra7913]

My love, admiration & support to the young students of Indonesia who believe in the diversity & unity of the beautiful country and her people.

[@basic_avarage_person]

There 1 video i still remember to this day because it show how easily you can manipulate people using religion Basically there jokowi and prabowo running for president,jokowi is muslim and prabowo is not muslim so jokowi is know more about islam than prabowo and one of the rule in islam is that silent when adzan echoed,jokowi know this rule he pause and prabowo dont know this rule still continue and A LOT OF PEOPLE MAD ABOUT THAT

[@harryharrington8686]

@@basic_avarage_person The man in the beginning with all the photo's of Islamic leaders is delving into haram practices, idolatry is forbidden.

[@laishramgojendra7913]

@mr okoWhether you like it or not, there is no alternative to diversity & pluralism of the human race.

[@jesusking31]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Jesterhayy]

Not the type of documentary you would see on Al-jazeera

[@peacebewithyou7157]

Aljazeera is under arab control.

[@emperorworld3528]

Aljazera wahabi tv profokator

[@sangpenyebar5988]

@@emperorworld3528 and dw is anti-religius tv provokator

[@emperorworld3528]

@@sangpenyebar5988 bhh see cp.teroris pagan from desert👻🤣🕵‍♀

[@Jesterhayy]

H Im Yes, you have me and "my little world view" all figured out. Al-Jazerra, along with CNN, Fox, and most broadcasters all promote certain messages and views. Al-Jazerra is run by a highly conservative, strict Islamic government, and it has to perform a certain balancing act to appear impartial (to maintain journalistic integrity). But 9/10 they will mainly report on the plight and achievements of Muslims, while downplaying or not putting emphasis on extremism. They will also have commentators that increasingly side with World Muslims (think Palestine/Kashmir). That being said, I have watched some of their documentaries, and some are very well done. Regarding the rise of Islamic extremism and it's intolerant/hostile nature, Al-Jazerra's documentary or special can't compare to this documentary, DW was flawless. Furthermore, AJ would never promote/priorize it on their website/channel/app. Instead they would report more on the rise of Hardline Hindus in India or Islamophobia in the West. Anyway, maybe my small minded world view does recognize the brilliance and impartiality of Al-Jazerra. And with your everlasting wisdom, you can enlighten the masses.

[@Amanda_Lauren]

As a muslim, I think we need a better education system, and please let those who spread hate speech go to jail and if they act again, just put them to dead, radical people lack of education, the government and society need to work together for the sake of the country, thanks DW for the documentary

[@weni7948]

Saat ini banyak masyarakat yang semakin terbuka dan menolak penceramah yang radikal. Kami rindu Indonesia yang dulu. Damainya , persatuan atas perbedaan. Saya muslim. Saya memiliki teman beda keyakinan dalam agama. Kami masih berteman baik. Meski tidak banyak hal yang dapat saya lakukan saat ini. Saya akan terus mendukung perdamaian antara umat beragama. Ingat " Bhinneka Tunggal Ika " Percayalah.. Meski ada umat yang radikal tapi jauh lebih banyak masyarakat yang menghormati perbedaan. Kami tidak akan diam saja melihat diskriminasi. Semoga Indonesia semakin damai dan makmur.

[@ytxmak]

My heart goes out to the children. With parents like that, what hope do they have of growing up sane?

[@valetudan234]

@desneribe oh really? I guess he'll keep the conversion machine going on, that is pretty sane

[@valetudan234]

@desneribe I'm not preventing that,neither am I against conversion out of free will, but considering how Islam treats apostates, i think it IS my business to talk about it, not yours

[@valetudan234]

@desneribe okay just think about this for a second, when you consider a massive population, how on earth do you expect every single person in the crowd to agree with a single ideology? No matter how 'perfect' it is (which i most certainly doubt when it comes to abrahamic religions) There's in no way that a massive population will end up agreeing on a single ideology wholeheartedly and convert An abrahamic religion (or rather a cult) can only gain numbers in two ways, either when an influencial person adopts the religion and forces the others to do the same (like a king) or if the section of general population adopt the religion, try to gain power amongst the rest of the popualtion, then forcefully convert them and finally overthrow the administration and establish their own rule, and that is a serious problem to talk about If one or two convert, then it is (probably) fine, but when you see a massive population converting, then certainly there's a problem, and people like you btw, never look at it with such depth

[@valetudan234]

@desneribe oh and also, peaceful mass conversion is a joke, and that's where I talked about every single person agreeing with the ideology and stuff, you didn't read it properly

[@valetudan234]

@desneribe because peacefull mass conversion is not physically possible, if it were to be possible then it means that a large group of people agree with something at the same time, which is almost never the case If there is mass conversion, then it certainly involves a tactic, or can even be violently imposed If it is a peaceful conversion, then it starts slow, with a small group of people

[@achmaddaru9456]

"if we don't pray, we won't be happy" Says the boy who love to bothering other people business 🤣🤣🤣

[@lasroamer8062]

Bother other people business ? what you mean man?

[@simplysimplerer]

@@lasroamer8062 he means what he said

[@DanyalElia]

@@lasroamer8062 have you seen the part where a group of boys scouring an area for lovers who is on a date because of the fear of adultery? That is what he means with bothering with other people business.

[@nutrisayuti]

He don't happy because still bothering other people business

[@MrMoondoqq]

Achmad Daru muslims can mock other religions in malaysia. But others cannot mock islam. Double standards of islam awaits indonesia.

[@camilla_k97]

I hope for more tolerance and diversity in Indonesia. Protect women, religious minorities, LGBT-people and political activists, who oppose corruption. This country with almost 300 million people is so important for the whole world. I'm Russian, living in the European Union, I'm an atheist, and I wish you all more FREEDOM!

[@RichardWolfgang]

They are all religious

[@imthelastuchiha80]

I'm pretty sure no one can destroy the diversity of Indonesia as long as people like u r still there (I m talking about the people who accepted it and r concerned about it) , hope I'll visit this beautiful island nation one day . Love from India 🇮🇳✌️

[@worstdota2playerever105]

"Blame the people, Not the Religion" -Balqist (the hotel owner) Yet when they learn the religion, they become like that.

[@alexandregonsalvez5667]

True af!!

[@ilhamaditya2638]

"For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." (Quran 109:6)

[@060_nurlayli5]

Become what?

[@ReikiMaulana]

She's right tho, what are trying to point out here??

[@ayezaamin1510]

True

[@JoieDeVivre257]

I’m an Indonesian Muslim who lives in Jakarta since childhood. i’m surrounded with many friends who comes from different ethnicity & religion, and until now we live peacefully, my best friend is Chinese and christian, and we always together since we still a kid but the problems always comes from radical group and even worse now they infiltrate to politics too and they really make impact with the way our government act, because one wrong step (according to the radical group) it means chaos, it means war, bla bla bla

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

5:40

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

NSULT RELIGION IN INDONESIA IN NOT THE RIGHT TRANSLATION.. IT IS ACTUALY ABUSE! WRONG TRANSLATION WRONG MEANING!

[@Masonicon]

Me too, except I live in bandung

[@teru_9921]

@@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice Bacot, spam

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

@@teru_9921 bacot, spam bagaimana rasanya rakyat jelata? sungguh wajah anda dan nama anda kayak orang intelek dan pintar tapi jelas dari bahasa anda.pergaulan anda jelek atau anda sendiri yang jelek. berisik dasar spammer

[@duygumordogan]

He accuses Israel for ISIS😂 these people never find guilt im them. There is always a scapegoat. If only they could use their imagination for sth useful and better

[@Againstdhawa]

DIDNT YOU SEE THE KIDS LOOK AT THEIR FACES TOTALLY BRAINWASHED

[@irenesorina3934]

Thanks a lot DW for this documentary.

[@houseofranggalawe1378]

Well..., there big difference between becoming Muslim and Arab Weeboo, And what i see in this video are about people who obsessed with Arab Culture.

[@singharpan9859]

People need to realise being muslim is not being Arab. You can have different culture and follow the religion. Those who think they are fake Arabs are the problem. Same like in Pakistan.

[@junnaredd9912]

This is the problem in Malaysia as well. They're becoming Arab wannabes.

[@orianawr9579]

@@junnaredd9912No one want to follow the Arab culture

[@orianawr9579]

@@junnaredd9912 It's just relegion not the culture....for example we had Hari Raya Celebration (Muslim celebration ) and we celebrate with our own Malay culture example food and clothing) if we follow Arabic culture we will not do those kind of things

[@yin6287]

Bruh they're starting to be Arab wannabes like Pakistan and Afghanistan heck even Iran thinks that they both really are wannabes just because they follow Islam

[@anindyakusumaningrum341]

Literally, I'm afraid of this country's future.

[@user-my7lk9yn8v]

@@jaelodondongolodon6768 you just proves this whole video dude. How the fuck you dare to write that

[@garudapenjunjungkebenaran5871]

@@jaelodondongolodon6768 you're the example of stupid and uneducated people shown on this video

[@sukimasai718]

@@jaelodondongolodon6768 nice move, u just embarrassed ur own country

[@jaelodondongolodon6768]

go back to ur mainland

[@vicf1220]

@@jaelodondongolodon6768 back to ur mainland u said?, it's the Arabs back then and their culture who should go back to their mainland I accept Islamic religion but not the culture, your need to wear Burka is only needed on ur so saint land of desert and scorching hot sun, not on our cool tropical paradise. ur understanding of religion from one side is very dangerous as it is rigid and stale, u only understand and support the opinions and the fact that supports you.

[@karellen4913]

Great documentary. I'm going to leave you with the full lyrics of the song that the students sang at the end of the video. The title is "Darah Juang", or "Blood of our Struggle". For those who cannot speak Indonesian, I believe you will be able to use the translate feature to translate the meaning of the song: Di sini negeri kami Tempat padi terhampar Samuderanya kaya raya Tanah kami subur tuan Di negeri permai ini Berjuta rakyat bersimbah luka Anak kurus tak sekolah Pemuda desa tak kerja Mereka dirampas haknya Tergusur dan lapar Bunda relakan darah juang kami Untuk membebaskan rakyat

[@DWDocumentary]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences.

[@MB_by_R]

As a Indian I love Indonesia more than any other Muslim countey...Becouse I know Most of them are still good hearted persions.Even in the comment box ,many are Regreting❤That shows they don't want violance or they don't want the culture of Middle east.If It was Pakistan,Everyone would support these extermist acts ...But I think most of the Indinesian don't support these...We should preserve our Culture...😢

[@CrazyBunny444]

Indians doing same with their muslim minority

[@bartekvinci1615]

I can tell you that Indonesians don't care about India, and that India and Indonesia does not have the same culture.

[@astyna8732]

I come from minority. I feel this insecure things in daily basic life. The people who said this is fake is in Denial mode.

[@anders8461]

Even though i am from the majority, i feel you sister :(

[@henryhendrika5689]

The discrimination toward minority has become way of life . Like you said those who strongly disagree are the actors.

[@achmadzainul2006]

I can relate it maam

[@ff82800]

A sad truth which many choose to ignore :(

[@Dz73zxxx]

Feel sorry for you Truth be told, some of my friends whom got their religion values right and apply it as a kindness (anak rohis) are having headaches and facepalms because the minorities of their religion and some lack-of-understanding citizens just wrecks the positive values that the religion has. Hope you have a better living environtment soon tho...keep the spirit of living!

[@IvansPersonal]

The moment they put Ahok in prison for "mocking" islam, was the moment I lost my faith in law.

[@tvbs56]

ITS A very long list of article 156a cases .

[@billlee6]

​@@ZZ-ug2bp That is your personal opinion. I am not in the position to judge, but most likely, the judge in the court was under pressure to give him a guilty verdict or else the demonstration on the streets would definitely continue. The judge gave a guilty verdict which was heavier than what requested by the prosecutors. For national security issue at that point of time, he had to be jailed or too much energy of the nation will be used just to guard the demonstration on the streets which could be nation wide. It is a matter of fact that intolerance is increasing because of political effort by certain groups who try to overthrow the legitimate government. Cases like Meiliana in Tanjung Balai, cases like banning of religious services or building of certain religious buildings in various cities, or attacking/ bombing of religious buildings. www.iseas.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/ISEAS_Perspective_2019_4.pdf www.thejakartapost.com/academia/2019/05/11/intolerance-crisis.html theaseanpost.com/article/indonesias-blasphemy-law-being-tested

[@wewwew6102]

@@ZZ-ug2bp look at you, you are the ignorance one

[@MrTechBeam]

yea...those radicals are really easy to get offended huh, didnt realize they also mocking other religion in regular basis smh

[@geschmackj209]

There are many of you, some of my friends have converted to Atheism.

[@curtaceo4213]

very good documentary, what's the name of the end's song?

[@lynnleigha580]

Brains and beauty, watch out world. Thank you for being you and helping others know and feel their worth

[@Darkshadow-ll8ge]

I'm so glad born in Bali, everyone blend together well here.. mostly discrimination happened on western side of Indonesia, easterner mostly are sweet and simple people Edit : our country Proclamator Soekarno once said "My struggle is easier because it is against the invaders, but your struggle will be more difficult because it is against your own nation (people)". People forget about it here.. it's so sad.

[@kadekfariz]

True, im balinese too. the police said that the duty in bali is calm. Maybe because the economies

[@Darkshadow-ll8ge]

@FrostBurnTV I'm technically live in the minority condition, now in the college I've a lot of muslim and Cristian friends (more than Hindus). They respect me and I respect them. What I don't like from majority elements are when they minding other people business by forcing their thought to another people for following it even though they have a different believes. Same as some Hindus on India that went trending, I don't like the way they harassing innocent muslims there. Why majority? Because my country believe Democracy. Majority always have that power in politics. Sorry for bad english, peace

[@viswanathswamy4637]

@@Darkshadow-ll8ge hindus harassing muslims in india ? the world most acceptance exhibited by hindus even after they being subjected to millennial subjugation,which is derived from hinduism itself where u have the freedom to choose whatever u believe in .But its sad that they are projected as intolerant by biased media which has shaped your opinion about the hindus .

[@kelpshakehd2602]

West sumatera and aceh

[@ficuslyrata2022]

Hi, fellow Balinese here; born and raised. If you're a Hindu living in Bali, looking from a local perspective, yes, you are the majority, but nationally you aren't. Nation-wide policies may be issued to benefit the majority of Indonesian (i.e. Muslims). This is not to say that our local government would blindly allow for such policies to be implemented without adjustments. I am just pointing out that Hindus living in Bali can also be disadvantaged that way. Speaking from personal experience, my Muslim/Christian friends often express their opinion on how Balinese have high tolerance towards their non-Hindu neighbors. Though, in this era of social media freedom, we cannot deny that there is similar theme running in the rhetoric from certain group of people claiming to try "protecting the true (i.e Hindu) Balinese" by, obviously, banishing the non-Hindu citizens from the land or pushing for the local government to issue policies that would restrict their freedom in expressing their religious identity. That's just plainly sad IMHO

[@phankhue4732]

I have an Indonesia friend and I was shock when he told me that he was forced to choose a religion in Indonesia. I feel like Indonesia takes advantage of religion and uses it as a political tool.

[@sadowl5307]

Yeah, 6 government approved religion. I think it's because of one Indonesia's core ideology is "ketuhanan yang maha esa", which means Belief in the one and only God. But i believe there are exceptions. Older beliefs that came before all these religions are allowed under special circumstances. There are paperworks you need to have to be able to get this belief to be printed on your documents and to be valid in the eye of the government.

[@sanctuaryaddict]

Indonesians have to choose one of the 6 religions that have been allowed in Indonesia

[@iNeed2.p]

@@sanctuaryaddict stfu dude

[@sanctuaryaddict]

@@iNeed2.p oh

[@ahyarhartanto1802]

not anymore, you can actually left religion column in your ID card blank from 2 years ago, or if you believe in a non recognized religion, you can choose "aliran kepercayaan".

[@mayank8892]

How disastrous can a book be...... 😐

[@AlfredOrcaCat]

It’s sad and disappointing to see the trajectory of where the country is heading. There is so much potential, diversity, resources left to only benefit a few. People have been waiting and trying hard to change and reform for the better, but it is a difficult struggle. Fewer people remain with high hopes for the nation to regain prosperity. Let’s hope their efforts do not go to waste.

[@tanzen1020]

Indonesia is a diverse country, I'm a Catholic, and most of my friends are Muslims. We are good friends and we don't care about our religion, but the radical Muslims organization like FPI Is the one breaking Indonesia's diversity, they some times force people to turn to Muslims, and they really hate tolerance, If there is a Christmas decoration in a store. They will take them forcefully and throw the Christmas decorations. Also, politicians in Indonesia often use religion as a tool to gain power, It's really sad, my grandma said back then people In Indonesia was peaceful and tolerance, but since the rise of radicalist organization, everything starts to tumble down.

[@nurabdullah1089]

This comment is accurate 100%

[@Demise6969]

If that happens to us there will be riot

[@dilipshankar6462]

This is how slowly Radicalize Majority of the people to Hardline and extremist groups and Convert people of other Faith's this will certainly happen watch it.

[@josiejesie5586]

lu underestimate jumlah manusia di indo. bukan fpi pun uda ngakar untuk benci nonmuslim apalagi kristen. waktu kecil umur 5 aja gw di rumah tetangga yg kristen ngomong "ada salib, bakar aja tuh" wkwkwk mantap kan

[@Demise6969]

@@CrvenkapicaIVZNG which country do you live?

[@paddy801]

This documentary is just a tiny part of whats really happening here. Tho, Im glad to see theres an awareness by international media to this worrying issue. When violence are being used to assert righteousness then we human kind have lost.

[@creditcard3466]

@@moviesmovies6796 Go praise your cow somewhere else

[@JackyMan22]

In the current status, Radical Islam is a black plague 2nd to Soviet Union's red plague under 3rd's Nazi brown plague. Lol, don't get me started with the rainbow plague. XD

[@WelfareChrist]

@@creditcard3466 lol. you can praise that cow at my house any time.

[@haryisnanto69]

I don't think so, sometimes, Media just give an exagerating new

[@anonymousstout4759]

@@haryisnanto69 just because you didn't see it direcrly on front of your eyes doesn't mean isn't there, just same as your god

[@charlesanthony8642]

better learn from Singapore, it's so diverse with cultures , races and religions yet still so peaceful there

[@joeliantosoebagjo746]

The definition of tolerances and intolerance have to be clear and agreed otherwise it will cause misunderstanding between many parties

[@alfonstabz9741]

intolerance is when people use violence and suppression to impose their way of life to others.

[@FRISHR]

Even Aceh people goes to Medan to spend their vacation and to relax from their oppressive local government. 🤣

[@soybeanandmilk_9003]

Sksksksk this is funny

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

NSULT RELIGION IN INDONESIA IN NOT THE RIGHT TRANSLATION.. IT IS ACTUALY ABUSE! WRONG TRANSLATION WRONG MEANING!

[@usoda6974]

Also to buy some best sangsangs too.

They're hypocrites, they shouldn't be Muslims from the first place.

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

@ NO THEY SHOUND CAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT RELIGION

[@rrcn5234]

I hope one day Indonesians will start putting their own ethnicity on the top instead of catering to and worshipping white Europeans or Arab muslims.

[@stevenramli5021]

The day will come bro.. hope we dont have to endure potential civil war by the next 5 or 10 years

[@zerokid6454]

@@stevenramli5021 im afraid it will happen. Because those radicals will never listen and will not stop unless all of them are eradicated (it sounds harsh but you have to for the sake of this nation). I predict that they will make the first move so just brace yourself till then.

[@anzhelamagdalene6472]

@Samantha come on arab and European are different cultures.

[@rrcn5234]

@@stevenramli5021 I know right.. would like it if we stopped fighting and discriminating among ourselves. In a family you should always support family members in the face of outsiders no matter what. In the end Indonesia is just a big family.

[@eclipse5049]

Hm I wouldn't saying put your own ethnicity at the top but instead having everyone equal so indonesians aren't being tread on.

[@mariew4422]

The female activist is absolutely stunning both inside and out.i wish the best for her & also safety ❤️🤗

[@Dy58810]

I'm 100% agree with Yenny Wahid. Three things that can save Indonesia from intolerance are defeating corruption, improving the quality of education, and improving economic and welfare conditions.

[@Qwerty-db1js]

In order to improve the quality of education, an educator must understand what to improve...

[@Dy58810]

@@Qwerty-db1js Improving education means the whole thing need to be improved. The system, the facilitations, the human resources...

[@ConfusedMiceGaming]

once upon a time, there is an Indonesian Motto "Bhineka Tunggal Ika", it means " Unity in Diversity".. no matter who you are, if you are Indonesian, and you are my brothers and sisters.. But this ideology is pushing to the edge by the people who glorify religions over the nations and the humanity.. The Ideology of Pancasila that has been admired all around the globe, now are in threat to near of its extinction.. Even a great Nations and Kingdoms are fallen to this kind of intolerance and ignorant of their own citizens who think that their religion, their views, their knowledge, are more important than the other human being.. If no one on a government or presidential level to do something about this issue, than we have just to wait for this time bomb to explode and crush us into a pieces.. May God bless my country, my beloved Indonesia.. Merdeka!

[@jokocahyosantoso8770]

David jacob that is our duty I, you, we and majority of Indonesian who still believed about our Bhinneka Tunggal Ika Jika hanya diam dan tidak menjalin hubungan baik dengan kelompok lainnya maka segelintir orang yang intoleran ini akan semakin menjadi-jadi.

[@ConfusedMiceGaming]

@@jokocahyosantoso8770 true, and i am agree that we, as an indonesian people who still putting our faith to the Garuda and its desciple, to do everything to protect and serve our nation with honor and brave.. but we are facing another ages, another enemies.. Technology, social media, and radicalitation.. We are the silent majority who are being supressed in front of our eyes, because we are too comfortable, we are having a stable livelyhood and has forgot that there are certain people, group and organitation are rotting down our system from rootgrass to the higher society.. this is not about being a majority anymore, right now, believing Pancasila means we have to be actively and forcefully push this very idea to the front.. No matter what stance do you stand for, religions or races, what ur political affiliation, if you are hard enough to push the Pancasila idea, then we will meet in that same spot, in that same common ground, that ground that we called unity, despite all of our diversity.. May God bless you, Joko.. and bring peace to your life 😇

[@kim7990]

I agree with you. Our ethnicities should be put aside, our religion should be kept private for their own selves. We must have a courage and affection to look at each other as one national brother and sister. That's all. If only it's that simple...

[@ConfusedMiceGaming]

@@kim7990 it should be simple.. and it should started from our self first.. be the example for other to follow the path.. draw a path from our generation so we could passed them for the next generation.. and hopefully, our nation will unite as one.. just like what our founding fathers of this nation wants and dreams ☺

[@izmirs.]

i may not be an indonesian but i have lived here for quite a while. All i can say from a foreigner perspective is that if you want indonesia to be successful country, go fix it, fix your country, especially your people, educate them, teach them, not radicalise them. If ignorance and corruption can still overthrown the country's reputation of becoming a better nation, there would be no chance of this country being that successful country people dreamed of. Please do understand, this is only my opinion. I dont aim to offend or hurt others, im simply just giving my thoughts and interpretation of the country's possibilities so it could be a better place in the future, i hope.

[@vickyirmanto4121]

as an Indonesian society, I am quite ashamed to see the country's own intolerance being highlighted by the outside media.

[@dinomars4119]

Good thing the government is cracking down on those radical muslims

[@FlammablePunch]

Lmao u believe foreigners talks about ur country what silly mindset is that

[@mayreacts8030]

#free_west_papua #free_west_papua #free_west_papua

[@vickyirmanto4121]

@@FlammablePunch Their journalist right? We have got admit that our country do an intolerance. Not everybody but there are a lot

[@submariner1984]

Perhaps invite the Dutch back 😅😉

[@sitandchill2897]

Thank you so much for this documentary Deutsche Welle :) Very insightful.

[@keavzmoezx344]

Indonesia starched from London To Kazakhstan... Indonesia has 34 million Christians, 67k Churches.. East Indonesia is very different because Muslims is minority.. also 150 million Muslims live only in 1 Island (java).. however million of Muslims are converted to Christian 👍

[@GaryHField]

Banda Aceh becoming more and more radicalized as time goes by. Praying and hoping that Java, Kalimantan and the rest of Sumatra won’t accept radicalization. Greetings from the Philippines.

[@muslemm75]

never in our place to force other religion to follow us, they live with nation law, but we live with Saria one. We want Saria law for ourselves, apply just for ourselves. and you guy still look for problem with that. Central House of worship from five different religions (Catholics, Christen, buddha, and Tao) standing there for decade just less than 500 meters from our central Mosque. We even can hear the church bell from the mosque. We also provide the other religion a special food markets during fasting time in Ramadhan month. We even rebuild their house of worship after destroyed by Tsunami. We school together, work together, even playing badminton together, and you say we are more radical. When in other provinces, the church et. al attached by bomb but in our place, They save to pray. We even solve the problem between religion by discussion, and you guy still said that we are radical. What do you guy want ?

[@healtyme2194]

After Timor Leste and now you are targeting Aceh? In the past you said Christians in Timor Leste were not free to practice their beliefs so you supported them to separate themselves from Indonesia and after that what happened to them was just misery because it turned out that it was only a motive to colonize their natural oil products. you better finish your business first and take responsibility for the suffering of the people of East Timor

[@idontgiveafuck2874]

BANDA ACEH IS SUCKS 👎

[@BodohYono]

Who the fak are you? Even nonmuslim in aceh live in harmony many of then decide to wear hijab.

[@indramulyono2676]

Banda aceh radikal? Man u dont know indonesia. All region in indonesia have their rule.

[@guileniam]

I've been to Iraq and I've been to Bali. Please for the love of God don't let Bali turn into Iraq, Indonesia will enter the dark ages if that happens. Mark my words.

[@basshunterdota625]

Bali is Hindu not Muslim.

[@yupz2393]

Bali is pure Hindu, they are the one of minority in Indonesia

[@yogayosua4323]

dont worry bali will not let that happen, maybe if they push bali, i think bali will get out from indonesia or they want special province like aceh

[@Paskal1]

speaking of Bali and meaning Indonesia is like speaking of Monaco and meaning France.

[@andreas2042]

@@Paskal1 huh ? Monaco isnt a part of France but Bali is a part of Indonesia. When talking bout Indonesia, the key is dont generalize the people. This video proves how diverse Indonesian people's background are.

[@suryaraydipta8600]

im a Balinese Hindu, and been working overseas for quite smtimes, and just realised how sad Indonesia nowadays, we famous for our diversity, as no religion have any right for the land of Nusantara, number is not mean you hv more right than minority & yet this "minority" words even not fit for Indonesia, this Land belong to our Ancestor which have no religion, remember Indonesia come only less than 80 yr not even not reach 100 yet, still a baby as a country, , and we are exist as a country only because we all agree we hv the same enemy at the time, we all agree that we all hv same right after independence, do you think Bali and any other Island in Indonesia will agree about Indonesia if they know smday they will hv less right as citizen??? We talk about the right of the land not faith, please for the extremist put ur religion ego aside don't be a moron, ur religion never create the land, n its a fact, the land and the people that u call minority exist much longer than ur religion, pls keep ur faith as a faith don't use it against pribumi...

[@michaelweston409]

Indonesia is just so beautiful. I'd want to one day grow old & die peacefully on one of those beautiful islands watching the Pacific sunset.

[@supernova7966]

The biggest Muslim country in the world.

[@sningsih7889]

This documentary should go to local Indonesian TV!

[@danprast1593]

they never approve it, it's a suicide step for local tv.

[@sningsih7889]

Yeah it's kinda impossible tho.

[@sningsih7889]

I'm just worried that in the future it will get worse.

[@olandsaputra5275]

Blocked by KPI bruh...

[@andrewj3177]

FPl will sue the studio then destroy their front gate, as ususal

[@tippla27]

As a Malaysian watching this, I am so proud of my Indonesian brothers and sisters who stand side by side in giving such importance to their diversity. I long for my country to be the same... We are so far away from it... Seems like I can only dream for now.

[@tippla27]

@AlifPengembaraan A&H 😆

[@megalodonsky666]

@Eryque Etiqaz Hah? I'm Tionghoa, born in Indonesia, here we can speak our own language LOL

[@atengku9660]

'We are so far away from it'. SJKC? Chinese radio? Chinese tv? Chinese newspaper? Chinese schools?

[@tippla27]

@@atengku9660 that ain't it...

[@atengku9660]

@@tippla27 it is. Living here for generations but behave like fresh off the boat. And that's not a problem here. Elsewhere, this is not accepted.

[@Maksenstein]

Everything Islam touches, it destroyed.

[@trialandorder5223]

Excellent documentary very much appreciated the information and inspirational voices.

[@retribution999]

I love Indonesia and the people. It's very sad to see this. Bali Is so wonderful and the traditional culture is fabulous.

[@onemanarmy3406]

Because Hinduism is in majority in Bali

[@user-uf2df6zf5w]

Sadly, Bali cant be compared to most parts of modern Indonesia. Bali is the only palce where the original javanese and summatrian hindu-buddhist culture still survives. The muslim parst of Indonesia are loocking more and more like a tropical version of some middle eastern countries year by year...

[@retribution999]

@@user-uf2df6zf5w yes it makes me very sad

[@ashutoshanand1573]

@@user-uf2df6zf5w 100% true

[@bry8883]

IKR😫😭😭😔

[@animaphoria4074]

I have lived in Indonesia for 20± years since I was very young and I have seen a steep decline in Indonesia... religion wise. The more radical this religion the less tolerance for minority groups. Very very clear.

[@DanyalElia]

@Azarello it's not, Islam is a religion and that is it. But it is the only religion that taught us how to defend ourselves properly and as humanly as possible if war is unavoidable. If we live in peace then there is no need for defending is it? These small group of people that just want to destroy is exist in every part of communities, religions exist to stop people being people, it wants us to be better because human, if you take a look at our brief history, is full of fighting and war.

[@cek0792]

@@DanyalElia that doesn't prove any point about discrimination in Indonesia

[@cek0792]

@Azarello it's the Hard-line Muslim Ideology most Muslims I found are pretty chill

[@rachelciel3330]

@Azarello Because they USED to be heroes. They defended Indonesia against hardcore communism back then and saved Indonesia from falling into chaos. But that's it. They used to be good, now they're poisoned, spreading intolerance and radicalism, using their influence in the wrong way. I'm not defending but there's a reason why many people defended them. In USA, many people still defended their Confederates, hailing war criminals as hearoes. If even USA have that, it's unavoidable that Indonesia would have them as well.

[@funkjazz6625]

Islam is a cult and not religion. It has got all attributes of a cult, you can join, but you can't leave, you can't criticize or question it and it's aim is to take over the World. In a nutshell that's fascism.

[@mainmusik3677]

If the radicalist issue not handle well. Indonesia could be the next yugoslavia, separated into several country because religion and ethnic difference. Too bad if that happened

[@shinigummyl1586]

Nationalism is also very high, Netizen is the most disrespectful in all of asia. But thank god Indonesia has been reformed before this but it’s still not free from situation like these.

[@mainmusik3677]

@@shinigummyl1586 Almost every month , you can find religion clash issue in indonesia. Almost 99% is the majority oppressing the minority religion. Even on the people who practicing religion or praying in their own home (not the public church).

[@alexgoslar4057]

An excellent review.

[@Gglsucksbigballz]

Abi Wahid is selfish. What kind of religion says “Your soul” being happy is more important than caring for your children. That’s selfish and selfishness is not the way to god.

[@aflah8890]

You already think too much and feel too little

[@Gglsucksbigballz]

Khalif Official I really feel that -!You should try thinking more.

[@bayuwiyoga4618]

@@aflah8890 you just dumb

[@DanyalElia]

Maybe because when your soul is happy you will take an even good care of your children without feeling any burden.

[@supreme9362]

Space monkey I was thinking the same...My kids come 1st no matter what!!!!!!

[@unknown-mx7ib]

He said that WW2 start after the last khilafah's (ottoman). this man surely forgot that WW1, Ottoman Turkey's involved.

[@unknown-mx7ib]

@Al Mualim and don't forget when they take Constantiople. They said a siege of Constantiople is an act to liberate Constantiople, but sack the city for 3 days after the city's fall and change it's name afterward. Like what? They also complain how the western country did an occupation to all over the world while they're forget that constantiople's a golden horn for the trade's from asia to europe. And taking constantiople make european country need another resource that leads them to searching for "another world" to occupy or colonize.

[@comradekenobi6908]

@Obama Bin Laden the thing is, by the early ww1 the sultan is just a puppet, the Turkish State is ruled by the ultranationalistic Secular "Young Turks" Kurds are loyal to the Sultan, and when he's out of power they don't like it, Armenians thing are pretty much understandable when your government it ultranationalistic, especially when Attaturk came to power

[@comradekenobi6908]

@@unknown-mx7ib you forgot what happened in 1204 Constantinople comrade?

[@unknown-mx7ib]

@@comradekenobi6908 what? Sack of constantiople by crusader? You don't read any reason why it happened do you? The crusader should be paid by the byzantium empire but refused to paid the crusader. There's also a cold war between Catholics and Orthodox at the moment. Since the byzantine is the ortodox and refuse to paid the crusaders, crusaders morale goes down towards the byzantine and the sack happened. But long before that, there's a event called massacre of the latin (catholic) by Komnenos on 1100ad. This is also one of reason why crusaders sack constantiople. But the thing is this, crusaders and the army of venice never see a sack of constantiopel as representation of the whole western church or an act of freeing constantiopel.. It is totally diffrent frm the turk. They said conquer constantiopel to liberate it. Like really? Liberate it from who? The city's build by emperor constantine in the 3rd century who's a christian then came the muslim turk, conquer it, loot it then say "we're liberate it". What?

[@unknown-mx7ib]

@@comradekenobi6908 and fyi, Sack of constantiople by crusader and republic of venice was condemd by the vatican aka Pope as the leader of the Catholic. You see, the crusader state is not under Papal State control. Thats why all the loot was taken to venice,not rome. Pope himself never approve any attack on constantinople..

[@trk1b28varianrhesa4]

as an Indonesian , i just want to say that aceh is different than any other provinces, they essentially a protectorate of indonesia , a country within a country

[@Macho98]

Cinematography is wonderful!

[@chanakyaniti2883]

I have got opportunity to talk to a lot of indonesian muslim they are really secular people... Even many of them invited me to come their home too... This country has bright future....because majority of Indonesian are kind clean hearted people....carrying their ancient roots with modern way of life... Indonesia is very diverse country A region's way of life cant be generalized over whole country Love from indian Hindu

[@jediakasse]

I think you'll have a different perspective once you know how things really work here

[@Tama-sw8tn]

well said, keep it positive

[@onnoysaad1697]

Your comment lacks ugly elements over which random people can speak garbage to each other in following comments. I am so disappointed.😉

[@TrailblazingTales23]

Sound like someone prefer the sweet lies and liberals movement than the truth. Pathetic...

[@Kusunoky]

@@jediakasse what he says Is true. But the ones I have problem is with the radicals ones and you can even know who is who.

[@saepudinastronk5507]

for foreigner info, most of us young Indonesian don't take these dudes seriously. because their scandal after scandal, like woman who fiercly promotes poligamy, but sue her husband for taking second wife. the one who promotes pornographic law, caught having sex-tape ish scandal, etc.. etc. most of us just brush them off because we don't apreciate "law for thee, not for me" motto.

[@worfoz]

That´s what I love about pious people. they are so funny when they expose themselves

[@paul-jp1rb]

i was planning on going to medan to visit this girl i met online but im starting to wonder if she should just come over here cause im not married to her, i want to be able to hang out with her and enjoy life but i cant find info

[@saepudinastronk5507]

@@paul-jp1rb Medan city is very welcoming

[@sharequsman596]

@@worfoz salaam,by definition a pious person wouldn't be doing these things themselves,if they did they weren't pious

[@worfoz]

@@sharequsman596 PER DEFINITION, PIOUS PEOPLE ARE HYPOCRITES because they can not be honest, and that is why they hate each other so much 'your religion is wrong', real pious people tell everyone

[@yourdoom8773]

They destroyed Hinduism , n the last part Bali is their final destination

[@Againstdhawa]

then bali will be nothing no torist it will turn to dust

[@Tamayo.Sama2023]

No one destroy hinduism 🫤 you can find many hindu and Buddhist temple in Indonesia

[@mohamedahmed-cf7ej]

I downloaded your doc like this 😄