Indra First Look & Steeze Comparison

[@jamielynn86]

This is the comparison I've been wanting to see... then all 3 indra steeze reactr

[@AlexBarham]

Glad I could deliver! There aren't many Reactors out there so the full lineup will take time

[@briankrueger1142]

I always appreciate your honest enthusiasm.😊

[@AlexBarham]

Thanks! I'll keep doing these as long as I have boats and passion!

[@brentwade9346]

Great run-down, Alex! This boat looks so smooth in every video I’ve seen that I had to order one. I’ll have it and my Puffy Steeze at the same time then decide between the two.

[@AlexBarham]

Let me know what you decide. I think you could make the argument either way depending on what is in your backyard

[@brentwade9346]

@@AlexBarham Rouge, Ottawa, Gat ;-)

[@AlexBarham]

Yeah I'm thinking you'll be enjoying the harder edges. Sweet spot could be a Fluffy Steeze if you catch my drift

[@brentwade9346]

@@AlexBarham the harder edges - on the Indra, you mean? They look more pronounced, like the Supernova edges.

[@AlexBarham]

@@brentwade9346 actually the Wakas all have more pronounced chines than the current Dagger designs.

[@ianpinchin4423]

Hope you include how it compares / fits in the line up relative to the code as well as the phantom!

[@AlexBarham]

I will, but good things take time!

[@4JudgeSmails]

I’m typically cognizant of the hype factor on all new boats, but the m-l sizing (as tweener) and the more hard edge plaining hull has my attention here. Will be looking forward to more thoughts on the hull, where this fits in a quiver, and who/what’s this for. I have a Code and Axiom in the quiver and sold a puffy steeze after a couple runs mostly because I just didn’t see a place for it in my scenario.

[@AlexBarham]

The M/L is absolutely sick as someone who is always between sizes. (Hannah is so fired up to see a S/M as well) Unfortunately you didn't have a need for a Steeze this won't be wildly different. And that is probably why they are only making 2 sizes

[@HerbalTeabag]

The "Sport creaker" or "Quarter slice" perhaps🤔 look's great on first impression. I am sad I wont be able to plug and play the new thigh braces into my nova without some modification hopefully it isn't too hard to do. looking forward to more thoughts in the future!

[@AlexBarham]

We will see. I have to say they look completely compatible so I will ground truth it. Trust but verify

[@MicajahMcCurry]

They are compatable. You’ll drill the holes from the old braces out to 1/4”. The holes did move, but the old holes work just fine.

[@AlexBarham]

@@MicajahMcCurry thanks for the beta. That makes perfect sense. The holes size wouldn't matter if you wanted to go back to the original which is a bonus.

[@MicajahMcCurry]

@@AlexBarham yeah everyone wondered why I was drilling holes in my vanguard at green race online… now you know. Should be backwards comparable to the old braces as long as your washers make a good seal to keep water out.

[@AlexBarham]

@@MicajahMcCurry The washers will definitely still make a seal. I upsize holes or downsize hardware all the time doing conversions

[@davidbald128]

Which size indra are you in? What weight are you paddling at?

[@AlexBarham]

I'm in the M/L at about 210lbs. There is plenty more room for a bigger person

[@davidbald128]

@AlexBarham I'm 205. I had a quick try of the s/m and it worked. Was only class 2 so....

[@AlexBarham]

@@davidbald128 lol I'm not sure what to do with "It worked", but I'll check it out if I get a chance

[@davidbald128]

It worked on cl3. Like to load it up go on some really pushy water with drops. See if it still works loaded up. I'm 15lb over but with gear be more

[@scottbaker5975]

Would love to see a Indra compared to a ReactR.

[@AlexBarham]

Not sure when I will see a Reactor. I don't think there are that many in the wild right now.

[@aarnimustonen655]

So how does it compare with Code?

[@AlexBarham]

I think it is much closer to a Phantom. Doesn't load and then blast out of drops, but aims to skip over everything and hold speed like a race boat. If you like the Code this will feel familiar. It will come down to what you really need the boat for. There are places where a creeker stern is really important, and places where you can have a little more fun without

[@HolisticFrenchFry]

Does it front surf well? I use rewind m for multiday and challenging (for me: class iv) at ~150 lbs and nova/jed for everything else. I did Grand Canyon in rewind and probably set some kind of course record for combat rolls. Thinking about trading to the s/m Indra.

[@AlexBarham]

These do surf very nicely. The M/L I have is an absolute tank, so the Ninja has advantages on the wave

[@Lost_Cove_Lloyd7]

Which is better for you? Ninja or indra? I have a ninja & I really love it!!

[@AlexBarham]

If you have a Ninja and love it keep it. I've been playing with modifying Ninjas this spring. Keep an eye out for some interesting tweaks you can do to them. By far the best way to take the Ninja to another level though is lowering the seat

[@AlexBarham]

If you are looking at buying one over the other I would say that the average 180lb person is going to find the sizing for the Ninja is a weapon over being undersized in the M/L Indra. The Indra is a fantastic all-around, but I'm guessing the advantage will go to the Ninja in big water.

[@UrsaMusic]

Nice. Looking forward to the full review. How did you feel about the weight? I was surprised to see the new “sport creeker” weights more than the Code or Phantom, or the Scorch, Reactr, Gnarvana, or any Waka. Excited to try it out.

[@AlexBarham]

I haven't looked at the specs but I am assuming this is a 1 pound difference because I certainly didn't notice it. A 2-4% difference is not noticeable.

[@AlexBarham]

Not picking on you, but as an aside it is unfortunate that questions about these little things are both totally fair game, and why some companies are giving us padded numbers.

[@UrsaMusic]

@@AlexBarham 5% difference from the nearest dagger boat, 12.8% difference from a Steeze

[@AlexBarham]

@@UrsaMusic It was noticeable with the Steeze, but the hard chines vs. softer until engaged means that they still paddle similarly. The Ninja being by far the lightest and the loosest is the one that feels the most aggressive of the bunch.

[@AlexBarham]

Part of it also comes down to outfitting. Tossing a heavier boat around if you're fit like a glove can be easier than if you're flopping around inside a lighter boat.

[@apexzero-three3216]

My current quiver is scorch, code, firecracker and rockstar 5. While the Indra looks cool, I don’t think I need one.

[@AlexBarham]

I'd swap it with the Scorch in a heartbeat given what is in your area. Black River Festival? We were just talking about reaching out to you guys last night

[@apexzero-three3216]

@@AlexBarham we’d love to! When is it?

[@AlexBarham]

@@apexzero-three3216 awesome! Shoot Hannah a text

[@bradelliot1027]

indra versus ninja?...

[@AlexBarham]

The Ninja is much lighter and closer to a medium large than the M/L Indra which is pretty huge. The Indra paddles a lot like a Phantom, and is almost a racing creeker. The Ninja is a very playful river runner which can also creek

[@holmespun]

The thigh hooks will work in older boats. You just lose one hole of forward adjustment.

[@AlexBarham]

Yeah go figure. They certainly look to use the same holes

[@holmespun]

@@AlexBarham Pretty close. The rear hole on the new boats is just a little further forward.

[@AlexBarham]

Gotcha. The molds have a little guide for the drill bit so I figured it would be easier to continue being backwards compatible than modify molds

[@kellydoyle7833]

Whaaaaat? First!

[@AlexBarham]

Yeah late night upload