Ineos are DONE Trying to Win Grand Tours

[@elaineoconnell2344]

The season is on! Chris is here!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

2025 has started, its time to get back to the videos 👊👊💥

[@ShimmyD-u7g]

Hell yes, super psyched for this years racing season. Happy to see Chris back at it! As always Chris, thanks for the outstanding takes. Here's to another year of great racing. 🍺

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

It ain't a season without Chris!

[@spinoza311]

Not sure if you’ve ever done one, but a video on the economics of a cycling team in particular how a cycling team makes money would be interesting and might inform why they keep or don’t keep certain riders.

[@vicbab2690]

i second that! id love to watch a video on this

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I like that. 🤔👊👊

[@BrimPeabody]

@@ChrisHornerCycling Please!

[@donquique1]

I agree

[@eljanrimsa5843]

I would be interested, too. Brinki did something like that after the Giro last year, and it really opened my eyes that for the majority of riders and teams it really is a team sport financially. It doesn't matter who is winning what individually, as long as some money is coming in to pay the salaries and keep the sponsors happy.

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

You’ve been missed for sure

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Thanks 👊👊

[@TheFlowZoneX]

My man Chris Horner! Great to see you back

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Thanks 👊👊👊👊👊👊

[@kestralrider313]

So happy to see you showing up in my KZbin video list again Chris. I'm looking forward to watching your race coverage and analysis in 2025 & beyond.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Thanks 👊👊

[@BigByrd-gy8qk]

glad to have your channel active again. One of my favs

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Thanks Big 👊👊

[@jacqueschouette7474]

Yay! Chris Horner is back on KZbin which means cycling season is about to start. Yay!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

🎆💥👊👊

[@dbxrp]

Got pumped to see your vids back on youtube, cycling season is on. Also been seeing your name pop up on some segments around my area in RB/Poway lately, very cool.

[@Leonorexplore]

So glad to see you back Chris!🦋

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@DannyG72]

Glad to have you back, Chris. Looking forward to your commentary this year!

[@angelocignarella8401]

Very happy to see you back absolutely the best podcast on cycling racing 🏁

[@charlestoddsullivanforpres6628]

Interesting stuff on Pidcock. That move makes sense after hearing your take on it.

[@LadyBird-n2t]

Missed you Chris.. cannot wait for all the racing and your videos

[@musclelessfitness2045]

Back to the chesterfield 😊

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

True that 😂🛋️👊

[@chrischevalier6107]

Watching from my davenport!

[@musclelessfitness2045]

@ChrisHornerCycling : Great place to be in. Can you talk about the new bikes, specially the strange UAE one

[@paulvantveer6072]

yes, good to have you back

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@eralc12]

Non cyclist here but I really enjoy watching and especially appreciate the insights Chris gives , looking forward to another season,

[@phacharawut]

Glad to see you back

[@adamc2350]

Missed the videos. Glad to see you back posting again.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Thanks Adam. Enjoy 👊👊

[@mickrogers2572]

Great to have you back Chris , now we know the seasons starting 😀 Everything you said about Pidcock i was saying most of last season , got a far amount of stick over it , called a Road snob a fair amount of time's ( i can live with that ) but i love the fact they haven't give you any stick 😅😅 I'm now visualising the expression on a lead out train looking back seeing Ganna closing down on them

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I love being a road snob. 😂👊👊

[@ethangodridge6833]

Welcome back. Agree with you on all the points raised.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@tonyvanderstraaten1040]

Welcome back. We really missed you Chris. Love to hear your sweet voice again. Greetings from Sri Lanka. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@rebjake]

Good analysis. Thank you Chris. Looking forward to the season!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@adamcurpier]

Let's go! Nice to see you Chris!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@erichgerber251]

Happy New Year, Chris 🎉

[@plexoduss]

Great to see you again Chris, missed you during CX season somehow. Still some races to go and then you get MvdP and WvA back 🙂.

[@vicbab2690]

ive been waiting for this, welcome back Chris!

[@cb6866]

Thanks Chris and Garrett.

[@jean-jacqueslavigne3109]

Ref Sky sprint train: cannot wait to see that at work. Not a Sky fan at all but who doesn’t dream of getting Ganna as your lead? (Provided one has the legs to follow him!)

[@mattpotter8725]

Great to see you back, but i think Ineos's problems go much deeper than one young rider. My impression was that Ineos were to allow Tom Pidcock to defend his MTB Olympic Gold and then he was going to focus on the road. Maybe this wasn't the case but i don't see Caleb Ewan getting a few stage wins compensating for losing Pidcock. That said Pidcock sad being paid too much for not enough in return, but top teams have riders like Pidcock but also have multiple team leaders as well, Ineos don't. If Ineos had spent some money on some real prospects then i might agree. I'm not so sure Ineos won't still get their tactics so wrong by riding on the front giving UAE a break and thinking they can still win races they just have no chance of winning.

[@andreapickett3676]

So far Ineos hasn’t learnt that riding the front only benefits other teams bcus at the 2025 Santo Tour Down Under they’re on the front getting wiped out at the finish. I think to trade Picock and Hayter was a wonderful idea, neither where good team players, both were always riding at the back of the peloton. However Ineos biggest problem is they don’t have a good management team.

[@martinyeager7948]

Thanks for your analysis. Always enjoyable to listen to and usually spot on.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Thanks 👊👊

[@robertbarriger2596]

Happy New Year Chris - welcome to the new season!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Happy New Year 🎆 👊👊

[@npwheaties]

The fact that we could see Ewan being lead out by Fillipo Ganna seems so cool. Imagine having one of the biggest buys in the peleton be your last guy 😳

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Right. It’s going to look so cool. No doubt we will see it happen soon. 💥👊💪👀

[@matthillard9363]

Seriously, though, Ewans best days are behind him. It's more an act of desperation at this stage of a season. If anyone can win kom jerseys and stages, it's carlos Rodriguez

[@06alepea1]

@@matthillard9363 Ewan is 30...

[@matthillard9363]

@06alepea1 yes two years ago he bailed out on the tdf for so called injuries. He's just not that good. Sorry to break it to you but he can't compete with the top 7-8 sprinters unless its the tour of china or the like. You'll see

[@xander0901]

The 2025 cycling season is looking to be another thriller. Very interestingly is the fact many teams have already started announcing their TdF rosters, including Visma. Of course, anything can happen between now and July, but in previous years I felt teams were more coy about their lineups until much closer to the race.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Visma certainly have a few clear favorites to make the TdF team. 💪👊

[@swisstopia]

Welcome back, Horner boys! 🦋👊🔥

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Chris! How ya doing? I'm looking forward to your analyses this season!

[@richardheng9484]

Happy New Year

[@empty420]

Vantournhout was not fired. He quit after the Olympics but would still do worlds with the plan to go to Uae but that deal fell trough.

[@aluminati9918]

Welcome back! Looking lean and mean, shirts dapper too!😅 Looking forward to the season

[@TalleyrandsPuppet]

Belgium’s problem is that trade team loyalties trump the national team loyalty. Not sure a DS change will fix that.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I do believe that happens sometimes to national teams but I don’t believe it will happen to Remco and Wout when they have this kind of form. 🤔👊

[@stevefranke3985]

Thank you Chris

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@teddykayy]

Finally back, baby!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@dejankolsek3336]

Welcome back. Missed you. But can you put chesterfield to your stage? You could be seating on one. This would be nice.

[@MichaelMitchell-vk9lk]

Love it Chris,thank you

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@orangeorphan]

My heart says Ewan is a good signing. My head says it’s a washed team signing a washed rider.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

And no one can argue with you on that. But the budget is there and no other rider is available with a bigger a guarantee of winning big time. So I would make the deal every time under these conditions, especially if you could get Caleb on a win more make more contract. 🤪👊👊🤞

[@sern1328]

My man Chrissss Making it clear the season has started! Lfg

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

🎆👊💥

[@RuJe33]

We missed you 💙

[@bbarber6845]

The season starts once Chris drops a video! Let’s go

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@domestique3954]

Back on the Chesterfield! The new season is on!

[@johanf9279]

You have lost weight. Eating better or training more? Good that channel is back. Means season is on👍🏻

[@robertnobles8189]

Happy New Year! It’s ON.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

🎆👊👊

[@jascollinscork]

Fantastic to hear AND see you back 😍😍😍

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@charlesmcclellan9970]

Hi Chris! Welcome back! You’ve been missed!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Bam we are back at work again for 2025. 👊👊

[@charlesmcclellan9970]

@ awesome!!! I love the videos; thank you !!

[@johnwalsh9285]

Welcome home

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊🏡

[@joannaglasby2596]

First Edited to add Ineos is a big GC team and Caleb is usually on a Sprint focused team. Do they have enough quality riders to make the shift between GC and sprint focused to justify Caleb being there? It’s not like they’re the 2022 TJV where they took 3 jerseys in the TDF

[@kylelynch8500]

They can shift their whole team focus to sprint wins and Caleb still aint delivering for the team

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Joanna with 2025 1st on BtC and CHC. Bam, back to back wins. 🏆💥👊👊👊👊👊 Can you get T🦋E trophy for the trifecta in 2025. That’s the big question. Loved how you edited later so not to lose 1st place. Tactical genius at play. I believe and 100% expect to see Ganna, G, Tarling, the Swifties, and just about everyone else minus Carlos and Egan doing the job to help Caleb win big in 2025. Will Caleb win big is the only question we have to wait on but the help will be there and it will be impressive at times. 🤔💪👊

[@themusette5894]

A gem of a leadout team hidden inside a struggling GC culture. Caleb will bring victories, not just wins. 😊

[@MaxwellPowers666]

When anyone declares they are the first to comment, they have outed themselves as the biggest loser on the planet. It's such a pathetic move. NEVER AGAIN

[@mattpotter8725]

​@@ChrisHornerCyclingI've a feeling this position might come back to haunt you when Ineos don't change their tactics at all (and I'd love to see them pull this off, I just don't think it'll happen - didn't they have Cav before as well and it didn't work out). I'd love for you to be right, I just don't see it happening.

[@Csharpflat5]

Is my man Victor cycling this season.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Yep. 👊

[@linesided]

Chris coming out swinging. I think I heard Tom Pidock wincing from here 😵😵

[@jean-jacqueslavigne3109]

Pidcock: he is such a wild card…I don’t know what the move outcome is going to be. That will be interesting to follow for sure.

[@roberteastwood6937]

Great news on Caleb Ewan 😀. Don't you think Pogi could have also changed his tactics had the others raced differently? I mean you assume the others racing differently would have led to a different outcome. Maybe. Maybe not.

[@johndean4912]

Hi Chris. I will try to keep up this season. Your friend. John OK USA

[@shmvon]

Serge Pauwels is a class act. Of course the legs are decisive, but there isn't a smarter former rider, not even Jan Bakelants.

[@borisgurevich5504]

“He can’t do any worse “ that remark is NEVER correct, not in politics not in sports not even in science. There is no limit to people stupidity, even at highest levels.

[@cascomoto1]

My man needs a podcast.

[@kovar2344]

Chris do you think you could make a video about the role of a national coach ? I never really understood their role.

[@Chiller11]

Looking forward to the 2025 season and the analysis on this channel. I hope everyone stays healthy this year. It has the potential to be a very interesting season if the big 4 and their teams can avoid injuries.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Very 👊👊🤞

[@MDP1702]

FYI, the belgian coach left on his own accord to do something else, he wasn't forced out. If it was up to the federation he'd have stayed on for a while longer. Also Sven's main strength (according to both riders and people behind the scenes) wasn't some tactical skills, but rather people skills. He was great at fostering a team spirit and gaining riders trust. Basically he was mostly a people's manager rather than a tactical manager. He was according to rumours in talk with several WT teams, though it seems things weren't as credible as was first thought with among others SOQ deciding to hire another former Belgian staff member instead of him because they deemed he didn't have enough experience in the WT/regular team leader role and weren't certain of his skill in things like GC. They went instead with someone more akin to a trainer to take a load of Remco's trainer who apparently had his hands quite full. UAE was mentioned at some point, but that so far also hasn't seen any real evidence for.

[@EMC2Scotia]

I very much hope the move to Ineos for Caleb works out, and he returns to his best. He has copped a fair amount of criticism in Australian Cycling circles, particularly over how last year went, the Giro in particular.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

It was a tough Giro 😬

[@DunDun-e43]

Season seems to get restard, all kind of race and tournament!

[@pythor2117]

Victor Campenaerts is going to the tour Chris 😃😃

[@marcemery2626]

Good to have you back and the new season, but Caleb Ewan keeping the bike upright and trying to challenge Tim Merlier, Jasper Philpsen, Biniam Girmay, Olav Kooj, Kaden Groves and the BIG GUY WOUT for a WT stage win is just hope, and hope is not a plan . Ineos should bury him in the 1.PRO and 2.PRO races to see his form and if there is a need for him on GT bus

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

We will see soon enough. 😳👊🤞

[@Paladin_of_Christ]

I dont think G is doing the TDF this year, and I believe this is his last year. I hope he does, would love to see him leading out Caleb. Schedules change all the time, hope to see it.

[@cleverchisenga]

Welcome back Chris

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

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[@TalleyrandsPuppet]

Chris: thoughts on Victor Campenaerts move to VLAB? Will he be a good domestique?

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I will do video on this topic. 👍👊

[@TalleyrandsPuppet]

@@ChrisHornerCycling🙌

[@GoliPowerEIC]

Finally! 😎

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

We are back 👊👊

[@WattsOnTheUp]

Welcome back Chris, though you never left...;-D

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@CharlesRiley-d4t]

🚴 I could only be happier if I were thawed out! 🥶

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I felt the same way yesterday during Garrett’s and I training ride here in Bend. 🥶🤪👊

[@randycallow3736]

What a bizzare history lesson.. not that long ago lots of talk about confidence in Bernal, his recovery.. talk about bright future for Rodriguez.. talk of Thomas still able to contribute at advanced racing age.. now Tom Pidcock throwing a fit has a terrible team in terrible turmoil.. instead of hope and goals they change too much too fast didn't spend money on PR and look upside down ,ready to fold at any minute.. and teams with little like Tudor, Astana, Q36.5 doing positive media blitz looking good based on positive feelings not race results..Ineos did nothing while they went through public inner team arguing and public trashing of the team and organization.. they did nothing to say or do anything positive about the team..a self made disaster

[@petejohn]

Did I hear that a new sponsor is on the way? If so, could this be the rationale behind the team and tactics change? Caleb Euan doesn’t need to win big, he just needs to win.

[@joeschmoe1301]

But, Chris your forgetting bike sales. Tom is gold for bike manufacturers!!! I rider like him who can win in multiple disciplines, on all of the corresponding bikes is pure money.💰

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

For sure. But Ineos pay the big bills over there at Team Ineos and not Pinarello. So you can be sure Ineos are complaining about the lack of wins or Tom would still be on the team. 🤔👊

[@robbyrogersberg1520]

Pidcock is a 1 day rider, He's not a GC Rider, and caleb ewan has seen his best days, JMO

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I would bet money that Pidcock can win a week long race if we see him focus only on the road. 🤔👊

[@robbyrogersberg1520]

​Maybe a small tour where the big boys dont turn up at​@ChrisHornerCycling I would say half of UAE, Visma, and Boro and few other riders who have more chance of GC than Pidcock

[@urbanjungle9600]

@@ChrisHornerCyclingif there’s a TT in that one week race then no, I disagree.

[@crispusmahea2135]

Time to be a sprinter team!

[@Highway_95]

It's way cooler to win MTB gold, CX races, and one day races than a week long GC.

[@morganconey2603]

theres probably enough horsepower in ineos for a decent leadout train, assuming they have the positioning nous & sacrifice yourself mindset required?

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Agreed. I think they can do it. But time will tell. 🤔👊🤞💪

[@realshaoran4514]

From a road-centric point of view I agree. Cannot deny that road cycling is throughout the year the longest discipline and the one with the most money- But cycling has also different disciplines with lot of money like MTB, cyclocross (and probably gravel in the future). So calling MTB and cyclocross riders amateurs is extremely disrespectful. And teams like Alpecin shows (on the men and women side) that a team can have success as a team in different disciplines. That's why I always though that it was a mistake from Tom to sign for a team that values road cycling only when your heart is in MTB (I remember reading in an interview that Tom said that he enjoys MTB the most, but I'm not sure if I'm remembering that correctly), that never made sense to me.

[@tonilauge5786]

It is last call for the pocket rocket! Hope Caleb is aware of that! About Time Ewan grow up! Ineos is only A shadow of its past. No serius Contender for any Cc in the grand tours. So take what you can get of Wins in sprint etape😜🔝❤️

[@julianbailey2749]

Outside of cycling fans which are comparatively few and far between. Pidcock is far more famous in the UK for his MTB Olympic medals than for everything else he has done on a bike, Tour de France stage win included. You have to understand the target market to understand his racing profile in 2024.

[@jerrychicken967]

Nice to see you back Chris. I can't disagree more though. Maybe Belge coach/ds going is good though 🤔 Mcewan and Viviani are in the same boat. Viv has left and didn't do much with any lead outs from the team. Caleb will suffer the same and get no support. Caleb is said to be tricky to deal with and so was Pidcock so nothing new there. Pidcock at least had results but against the big four at the tours plus Vdp in the Classics, well, it's slim pickings. I think Pidcock was paid too much but he got a few results. Not sure if Radcliffe wanted Pidcock to win gold at Olympics?? Not sure if Radcliffe gave Pidcock a bung to win that race?? Olympics is big in UK so maybe Radcliffe values it more than the Peloton. The team is doomed.

[@georgehugh3455]

Whether you/we like it or not, Pidcock's Ineos departure was pretty much a Done Deal (whether he physically left the team or not...), given his clashes with management.

[@alanshaw390]

Welcome back to chesterfield land 2025🥳

[@treszenrv9401]

Still not agree with you on Tom Pidcock. At some point Ineos management decided to aim at Mtb Olympics medals and not one but 2. They used one of their 30 rider slots for a female Mtb rider (her name was on the bus door). 0% chance to score any UCI points. Both Tom Pidcock and Pauline Ferrand-Prévot deliver with gold (and some minor other victories like world cup victories and world champs). At some point if you build a multi year program with 2 top Mtb athletes you can't blame them to do what's planed. Ineos management is just made knucklehead choices and pay the price. I'm obviously Mtb and French bias. 😸

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I already agreeed with you on this. If management agreed to let pidcock race multiple disciplines then I’m firing management also because 2.5 million is a lot for one big win a year. 😳🤔😬

[@treszenrv9401]

@@ChrisHornerCycling Sky/Ineos used to back Olympic ambitions but at some point they changed they mind. Maybe it's related to Shell teamGB sponsorship. Ethan Hayter, Daniel Bigham.... all gone somewhere else.

[@crunchieee9597]

Ineos had two problems they lined up Pidcock to become a Grand Tour GC rider of the future, and as time went on, I'm not sure that fitted in with his personal plans, he does what makes him happy, and Grand Tours are not it. Plus would he ever win one while Pog, Remco and Jonas are around? in his mind would it be worth the sacrifice and effort to him? I think he would rather win a monument. Is Caleb in on a one year deal? if so it could be used a trial period and maybe fair enough. A world tour team without a recognisable decent sprinter seems unthinkable when so many stages are for sprinters. Crazy management imo. I think Ineos should be looking at out of contract Mads Pedersen or maybe Olav Kooij for next season and have Caleb in reserve. Trek have exciting young sprinters like Milan, Nys and TTT, do they need Mads next year, they can all do what he does and better in most cases...? But I think Mads could be a good target for Ineos in 2026. They are not winning a GT for sure unless one of the big 4 is not around. Here's to an amazing 2025 season!

[@Velodan1]

Sight for sore eyes ❤

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

❤️👀😘👊

[@tomgrothe]

Why isn't Chris a DS?

[@user-bd9dp6dw6u]

Pidcock's role would have been a bit like Alalphilippe the past few years, bit expensive for that. Esp. since he is not quite at the level of van Aert and MVDP in cyclocross either. Too bad you didn't round out the first part by talking about Ewen and Ineos' chances against Alpecin with MVDP + Philipsen. Especially compared to your no-holds-barred commentary on the World Championship race

[@silentowlscribe]

Chris, you have any good racing stories that you will be able to share throughout the 2025 season? 😊

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Sure 👊👊

[@lazlo2511]

Tim doesn’t streak me as a Tour rider, even if he was on a team that was capable. He could be an amazing one dayer if he focused his discipline.

[@NikoSaario]

My chesterfield was ready for this 🫡

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

🛋️👊

[@michaambroz6148]

Caleb Ewan has never been and never will be “the best sprinter in the world”. A very bad signing of a fading rider by a troubled team - just proves the point.

[@stuartwalker6786]

It %$%%$# me off that the trolls have been mocking Caleb Ewan for going to Ineos and saying he is a has been!!................ They wouldn't even be able to spell the word peloton, never mind have ANYWHERE near the talent to be an entry level pro, let alone a Cabel Ewan who has beat the best sprinters in the world in the biggest races, he deserves our respect as cycling fans! If I was him, I'd be questioning my management team about the reasons that a position arose that I had a contract that wasn't watertight (financial-wise) before I fled Jayco. Hope he has a good season mixing it in the sprints. 👊

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Let’s hope. If Caleb starts winning again it would make for a great comeback back story and a $%$%$%$ to everyone that lost faith in him. 👊🤞

[@pommyadam]

so a team traditionally focused on GrandTours now decides to do a 180 and start focusing on sprints? Team Ineos, or 2008 Colombia High-Road?

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

A 180 is bit far. But let’s call it a joker card for now while they wait for the next Pogi to come along. 😂👊

[@Red5StayOnTarget]

Preaching facts about Tom Pidcock

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

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