Ineos Grenadier vs Mud, Rocks & Water - How Does this G-Wagen Hunter Fare Off-Road?

[@TheMarkchelak]

We own a Scottish white with lockers and also 12 Rubicon, this is almost as capable as the jeep but way better on road, quieter and built like a tank! Love it!

[@vbelbel490]

How is the reliability?

[@mikefoster7085]

@vbelbel490 reliability come with time, may have to wait a few years to see

[@brendanfennell3552]

The lead designer of the Grenadier is not an automotive engineer but a Naval Architect who had previously designed two of Sir Jim Radcliff's Superyachts , but was asked by Jim to head the design team ,but he also had the foresight to collaborate with Magna Styr in Graz Austria , in building the prototypes in the same factory where Magna Build the G-Wagon for Mercedes-Benz

[@a36538]

that's where the supra is built too

[@colbr6733]

Compliments on the excellent review. The commentary is clear and really informative. Learnt more from this than watching numerous reviews on this vehicle. Owners of these vehicles seem to be clear what they are good for and in long term usage have very positive feedback in general.

[@bradenstuart4074]

I love these types of videos! What I really would like to see is just generic FX4 or X31 packages going thru your offroad course. We know the TRD, ZR2, Tremor's can make it. Lets see the step down and see how they fare!

[@johnnyringo4463]

Yeah. Thats what I would like to see also. The ones more designed gor off road will make the course. The "regular guys" truck 90% on road and 10% offroad is what I would like tested. FX4, Z71 or a regular 4x4 without one of those packages. One thing I can forsee is the airdamn getting hung up.

[@4x4oman]

I have been using the Ineos Grenadier and I really like it. However, I have encountered some difficulties with the off-road mode, rear, and front diff locks. They are quite complicated to engage and often fail to do so, which can be frustrating.

[@markelliott6105]

There’s no point looking for some clever traction control with the Off Road setting. It doesn’t exist. That approach was only introduced by manufacturers deleting solid axles and introducing independent suspension to access the much bigger market for mall crawlers. Reviewers have been conditioned to test how good that traction control works - judging it by how quickly it brakes a spinning wheel. The Grenadier has been specifically created to use the far superior traction performance of solid axles and lockers and NOT wait for a wheel to start spinning before delivering traction.

[@Pandora882]

@@markelliott6105 I totally agree and would add this that traction control damages the track far more than a locker.

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

Nicely done. A little practice and you won’t have difficulty with your lockers and off-road controls. Just have to know how it works. I don’t know that Ineos particularly cares about undercutting the GWagen or Defender. They are only targeting 20-30k units per year - globally. GWagen is way more luxury and way more expensive - and will never be used off-road. MB gave up that ghost and just went urban luxury. The Defender is comparable in price and very capable (as long as the software and gadgets are working), but again, it’s mostly turned into a “drop the kids off at school” piece. The components and build on the Grenadier just mean it will run a bit high - but they intrinsically cost more. It’s not just about pricing strategy. A lot of people who ask me about mine are actually surprised it’s priced as low as it is, given what you get. They are assuming it would be priced more like a GWagen ($150 USD) or a Defender restomod ($125-200 USD).

[@paulm6481]

That thing is the real thing, so much capability. Great review again by Truck King 👑

[@jamescampbell4334]

Worked for a NE US dealer network back in the '90s, got to drive numerous Defender 90s and 110s. Even taking a few to the Jersey shore on weekends. Loved this design back then, still love it now. Saw one on the road yesterday in Dallas Texas.

[@theirthereandtheyre2947]

I saw one at work. They look awesome. It’s what Land Rover ought to make. In a few years they should depreciate to where average people can buy a used one.

[@volvo09]

Yeah, it's just too expensive now

[@backwoodstherapy]

@@volvo09they’re for rich people who don’t mind paying an extra $20k-$30k for the privilege of having the most unique ride on the trail. They _do_ have more payload and towing than a Wrangler or Bronco but that’s pretty much the only advantage they have. I guess some people have enough money to spend an extra $20k for extra payload they probably won’t ever use but I like having a big bank account more lol.

[@tonymcgenius1844]

Great video 👍

[@RootBeerGMT]

Oh I think a lot of people will buy them and this miss the creature comforts. And while you could argue that it’s fairly priced compared to a LandRover or G Wagon, the reality is we are on the cusp of a major economic downturn. So vehicles in the price point will probably move slower than Ineos would have anticipated. I too would be interested in a used one with 10k or so miles around 45-52k.

[@sydgerald]

@@backwoodstherapy I was so excited when years ago I saw a video showing the Grenadier, the dash looks great (although I'm not a fan of not having all the info right in front of me, specially speed). Having said that, by the end of the video, when they said how much the Grenadier was going to cost, I realized it was not something I could afford, or better yet, justify to buy.

[@RidersInBlack]

The fact that Steve felt confident and safe in the vehicle would definitely make me plunk my cash on that awesome beast

[@SaltShack]

Did Tommy teach you how to drive? Seriously, repeatedly stabbing at the buttons hoping a flashing light turns solid is the wrong idea. Grenadier is not like most idiot proof cars like the jeep and broncos. The flashing lights are giving you useful feedback that you have asked the lockers to engage but won’t turn solid until the wheel sensors prove that it is locked up to prevent damage and provide confidence that you are in fact locked up. Total user error!

[@davidsullivan3698]

It's pretty simple - you have to press the Offroad and Wading mode buttons twice in order - once to activate, once again to confirm because they turn off some important safety systems.

[@andyorr1597]

I own one. Too many button pushes can require a reset - turning it off and on. The lockers sometimes require a few feet of rolling before they disengage. It’s quirky. I like it a lot.

[@dannykrauskopf7404]

You should do the Quartermaster vs the Gladiator Rubicon regarding 4 low and lockers etc in the mud and ruts, that will show center lockers vs front and rear lockers locked. Your channel is Awesome!!!

[@dougpendleton1266]

Glad you guys were able to do a review, always enjoy your mud!

[@kerryrwac]

Harry Metcalfe liked it as a farm vehicle, because in offroad mode, you don't have to wear a seatbelt, which is annoying when you're in and out of the vehicle checking fields.

[@husshardan3511]

Not trying to be cute, but did you read the manual to tell you how to use the off road modes? It seems you were winging it - maybe that’s why it seemed finicky?

[@CJ-rk5eg]

TFL was hyper critical of the lockup process, but failed to learn how to do it, in fact.

[@a36538]

@@CJ-rk5eg TFL rarely takes the time to actually learn how to use a car correctly - they just mash the buttons

[@DougVandegrift]

So what does the manual say?

[@georgedoolittle9015]

Only honest off-roader on the entire market today absolutely 😊

[@ronaldmacrae1208]

Thank you for the Great Review….. answered many questions I had about this vehicle..

[@Land_Raver]

My door trim has fallen off and the fuel level sensor is throwing a code. The steering is all over the place but aside from that I can't complain too much. 19-20 mpg on the highway.

[@mdruben]

My brain says "get one". My bank account says "you fool"

[@mikefoster7085]

My opinion say you should, you won't be disappointed 😊

[@dmbassett]

only thing that had me confused was your opinion on what the car was built for. What car is built specifically for rock crawling? Isnt that the domain of the aftermarket. big tires, lifts etc. I can't think of any manufacturer who builds for that so - why mention it?

[@mikefoster7085]

I agree this vehicle is built for overlanding, Africa/Australia/Mongolia not crawling over rocks.

[@jeffreyscott4564]

I don't think the Grenadier fits in the category of SUV. It's 100% Utility 4WD. Owned mine for 7 months and 7,000 miles of mixed driving. Totally kitted for ADV Travel. It's proven itself over and over again. Two Thumbs Up

[@mikefoster7085]

That's the thing that most US reviewers don't get, it's not an SUV. So many have been force fed a diet of tech filled vehicles that remove you from the driving experience that when something like this turns up its like....wtf?

[@arailtb]

My wife's BMW X5 has the same motor (gas). The motor is smooth with great power delivery. However, I'll be curious to see how these are holding up at 60k+ miles. Hers has 80k now and is quickly turning into a real turd. It runs HOT, which is the last thing I want in an off-roader meant to move at slow speeds. It's been burning oil since ~60k to the point I need to add a quart every few months (multiple BMW dealers say this is normal for "high" (lol) miles), leaking oil, needed a new valve gasket around 75k, which meant new valve cover thanks to BMW's wonderful engineering. The motor is a nightmare to work on for someone used to Jeeps and Toyotas. We have religiously kept up with maintenance and she doesn't drive it hard. If I treated her X5 the way I do my GX, I imagine it would be in a scrap yard by now.

[@csuengr]

Is the front axle a closed knuckle? I noticed the king pins.

[@dadventuretv2538]

Most honest review I’ve seen so far. Thanks. So disappointed in the pricing, especially given what I would then have to drop in mods. Also disappointed in the slow response of the offroad aids- last thing I need to worry about offroad are whether those things will work when I need them. But electrical gremlins in a euro car? Not surprising. Btw I like your trails- the closest to what I run. Would love a larger boulder here or there and a ledge somewhere to test legit offroad vehicles with a bypass for the others. Your trails are pretty much greens where I am and it looked like the Grenadier was maxing out, would like to have seen you push it a bit more to find its limit.

[@backwoodstherapy]

Niiice. Be a great video to watch while having breakfast after I drop my daughter off at school. Just wish they weren’t so expensive. Cool rigs but for the money you can get a Wrangler with way more features.

[@jbaxt]

For the money you can get a Wrangler with 20% less payload and 55% less towing capacity.

[@backwoodstherapy]

@@jbaxtif you’re willing to pay an extra $20k for less features and capability off road just for a little more towing and payload, you do you, I guess.

[@jbaxt]

@@backwoodstherapy Simply pointing out just two examples of what you get when you use "way more features" as criteria for choosing a vehicle. Nothing more.

[@dannykrauskopf7404]

Excellent episode as always!!! 😁

[@TehRealVR]

Honestly would love to see a 2nd gen Highlander hit this off road course. 2008-2013 models. It was the only generation of Highlander to have fulltime locked 50/50 awd with open diffs front and rear. I have a 13 highlander that overland now and then and depending on the snow tires, i will go offroad in Ontario back country. Great for a unibody crossover.

[@MikeTindall-r6f]

I like this rig. Just not sure what to think of the off road switches. really could improve the response time.

[@arailtb]

Great video! Love the way these look. I see plenty in my area and they're real head-turners. I agree they're everything you want in an off-roader with a giant, deal-breaking exception... the BMW motor and transmission. Big miss there. I have an X5 with the same motor. It was flawless and fun to drive until it hit 50-60k (religiously maintained at BMW since new, never driven hard, never off road). I've had nothing but problems since then. Runs very hot and burns oil worse than a Subaru. I've had to do WAY more maintenance than any of my Toyotas or old Jeeps with way higher mileage. BMW ensures me everything is normal for what they refer to has a high mileage vehicle (laughs in Toyota). I can't imagine taking that motor off road and expecting it to be remotely reliable after putting some mileage on it. :/

[@Papershields001]

I’m really glad INEOS put out this trim that can actually off-road. Hopefully keep up with some Jeeps

[@ScoobyDo2009]

I feel like this would really benefit from a 2.5” lift and some 35’s. It’s a popular modification and I think it really makes it.

[@markmcgrath9098]

There’s a video by Ronny Dahl (awesome Aussie off road channel) where he’s done almost that. 40mm lift so you keep the factory shockers and tires are a bit under 34”. Any bigger and the spare blocks the small rear door on the left.

[@Pandora882]

All the Grenadiers I have driven didn’t have any steering problems at all over 6 different ones long term over 18 months and no I don’t work for Ineos

[@peopleschamp7258]

Agree, the dealers are filling tires to recommend pressure. Problem is recommended pressure is a vehicle with a loaded back and 3 passengers. It even states it in manual. Lower pressure from 42 to 36 and any issues goes away.

[@BryanPike]

Some people had units that the caster was out of spec from flat delivery trucks over tensioning wheel straps on these heavy vehicles. we know that OEM steering stabilizer is stiff with an adjustable Fox swap out changing this to more typical SUV return to center for those who prefer that less proactive drive experience.

[@mikefoster7085]

I've driven 5, some have the steering wandering but it goes away after a while, I have a suspicion it's tyre related.

[@christianbolt5761]

I think that the bones are great. A few adjustments like bigger wheels, improve electronics, and slight better steering it would be perfect. After market is growing too.

[@gregferris9378]

That BMW shift lever looks out of place in there. Back it up a bit to engage off road mode.

[@RootBeerGMT]

Indeed it does

[@TehRealVR]

They should have used the chevy ls 4.8 or 5.3 for a more linear power delivery.

[@MrOri]

Steve can you guys do an mpg run?

[@TruckKing]

The Ineos is already returned so sadly we cannot. I can tell you anecdotally that it was not good on fuel. We were seeing averages around 20L/100KM (11 MPG).

[@jordanb8909]

Honest question, does it do anything better than a jeep rubicon?

[@rolandetter3284]

Yes payload

[@FrankyMatlock-ti4di]

Hi bro🇺🇸👍.. This car available on Budapest?hungary? You can? Thx❤

[@TruckKing]

igen

[@a36538]

I'd be curious as to how open-source they could make this, it could be a fun vehicle from that perspective

[@sixpest]

17:50 I dont like that, If I need power I need it now If that was clay you would have been stuck Good review you've got real criticism where it matters! Don't lose that

[@icare7151]

Awesome! 😎 Electronics & Software, Not so much.

[@djfitzgerald2193]

I like it and hope they do well but Ineos has to fix the software problems on there off-road feature fast they have one shot on making a good impression in the North America market

[@BryanPike]

There is no software issue, just user error here.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

When I watch videos of people that actually own Grenadiers, I don’t see them experiencing problems with that stuff. It’s only reviewers that aren’t acclimated to the system. I think it’s there’s just a learning curve.

[@BryanPike]

I have a thousand miles on my Grennie a quarter of that off road and have zero issue with lockers and modes. Read the freaking manual is the issue. Sensors require rotation to catch up and validate mechanical engagement... that's how they work.

[@Yippynutsmacker]

Like to see this thing to the whipsaw trail in BC

[@michaelmilne3333]

The only new car worth buying.

[@MichaelGagliese]

Fellow Ontarian here! Where do you find these off road trails or are they private?

[@volvo09]

I'm only half way through, but I believe they test on their own property.

[@TruckKing]

Everything in the video is private property. If you're looking for somewhere great to go off-road we always recommend the Minden Off-Road Park (which is not too far up the road from where we test).

[@lunamaria1048]

My husband and I ultimately canceled our reservation, before these released. I was disappointed, but now glad we did. I just don't love it.

[@jeffreyerickson6766]

Love the look , but didn't Ben Hardy"s review say he had big problems with his Grenadier?

[@thinhnguyen6652]

Ben Hardy has problems with most vehicles that he owns and he is pretty bias toward some particular brands. But this is the first of its kind, so i am expecting some type of problems to this model year, or even 2025 and/or 2026. Time will tell if this is a good vehicle or just a flashy/showy one.

[@paulm6481]

That BMW shift lever for tran is such a parts bin and misplaced part in this vehicle,

[@BryanPike]

The Supra shifter, which you can snap in, looks totally like what should have been used.

[@arailtb]

It matches the BMW motor and transmission.

[@jayrichards3672]

In the video it was stated 228 hp on the screen it was printed 282 hp please qualify.

[@isaacsdanny]

That’s the difference between the petrol and diesel models

[@gregferris9378]

TFL had a problem with the off road mode not engaging.

[@volvo09]

Seems like everyone has problems with the modes and lockers. Cool vehicle though

[@myronhensel]

I believe you have to be in 4 low for lockers to work and with center locker engaged.

[@peopleschamp7258]

TFL didn't read the manual. To engage the lockers, you need to be in low and center lock. Press off road mode once then you have to confirm by pressing it again. A press not a hold. You then just press the rear locker button and drive. They are eaton electronic lockers so it takes a quarter turn for them to lock. TFL was expecting the light to show they were locked immediately and kept pressing the button.

[@volvo09]

@@peopleschamp7258 that's actually pretty ridiculous... I wish my truck had lockers and I don't want to be in 4wd low to engage them.

[@peopleschamp7258]

@@volvo09 the center locks in high or low. The rear and front only lock in low. No different than the G wagon and I reference it since Magna were instrumental in build and designed. I get it having control to use lockers in high has benefits. Ineos didn't view it as a must have.

[@georgecarousos6735]

Unfortunately not really up on the quality control standards of a G-Wagon, Land Cruiser or even a Range Rover. Trying to engage basic diff locks and off road modes shouldn't be this convoluted. I hope Ineos gets it figured out quickly because it is a very cool truck.

[@BryanPike]

It's not... he just doesn't understand you have to be in low.

[@mikefoster7085]

Mentioning quality control and Range Rover in the same sentence 😅

[@BryanPike]

As a Grenadier owner, you have no idea what you are talking about. It is literally built in a Mercedes factory.

[@georgecarousos6735]

@@BryanPike The Grenadier is built in an ex Mercedes factory in France, correct? Honestly, I haven't got a clue if that is good or bad, apparently MB no longer needed that plant. I guess time will tell how the French perform. I really like your truck and want it to be a success....I'm hoping Ineos has firmly decided to drop the idea of an EV Grenadier and put all its time and resources into the current product. More dealerships in the USA would also give the buying public more confidence in the platform.

[@mikefoster7085]

@@georgecarousos6735 no EV, market is already well catered for so not viable.

[@architypeone8646]

Just forget the electronic traction crap and lock up the axels.

[@m_m_m_beer8917]

Meanwhile your buddies in Wranglers are already through the obstacle.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

like it a basic utilitarian "station wagon' per web site , new 110/130 are more 3 row luxury family school bus , like most more sport not much utility vehicles

[@nlken7175]

Cool vehicle but I take a Rubicon Wrangler.

[@volvo09]

Yeah, I really like it, but it's crazy expensive. I'd have to go with jeep

[@RootBeerGMT]

@@volvo09It’s not that much more expensive than new jeeps and the build quality is far superior.

[@SaltShack]

@@RootBeerGMTWay cheaper than 392 Rubicon. I’ve owned every jeep except a YJ since my first car, 1980 CJ5. After 9 months of Grenadier ownership I don’t miss any of them.

[@kevinmokracek5078]

I sold my Rubicon and got a Grenadier. Way better vehicle overall than my Rubicon.

[@DaLizMs]

I can get a early 2k G Wagon cheaper and be just as happy.

[@davidkallstrom4349]

weight

[@backwoodstherapy]

About 5875 lbs. Quite heavy.

[@Land_Raver]

6300 lbs for my Trialmaster stock.

[@Coordinator61]

Just get a good secondhand Land Cruiser.

[@SaltShack]

When I got my Grenadier I had two 200 Series Land Cruisers, 2013 and 2021 both heavily modified, Suspension, Winch, aux fuel tanks…….Guess how many I have now? None, and I swore I would never sell the 2021. After owning the Grenadier I’d just assume throw rocks at the Land Cruisers and ordered a Quartermaster. There is simply no comparison! But reliability? 2013 list of repairs before 100,000 miles, Radiator replaced, water pump replaced, timing chain cover oil leak repaired, CV’s replaced, and rear view mirror retract motor that is $2,300 to repair.

[@Coordinator61]

@@SaltShack The Grenadier in BMW stuff just wait it will go bust.

[@SaltShack]

@@Coordinator61 That’s what I thought and why I didn’t pre-order. The B58 that has been used and improved since 2015 is extremely reliable, used in the Toyota Supra and detuned 100 horse power by Magna in the Grenadier to increase reliability even more and common components except the timing chain are super easy to access unlike the 200 series alternator and cam towers. Also, 1.8 million kilometers of testing nearly four years of sales world wide in Africa and Australia with zero literally zero issues on KZbin forums or anywhere that I can find. Watch Dirtbox Overland’s and Ronny Dahl’s reviews.

[@TobiasTernence-i3c]

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[@cojoe99]

Dude, read the manual!

[@2151abell]

same thing when TFL reviewed as far as the lockers go... Thats just a lot of BS at this price point. Hit Fords ELD and BOOM... its there !! Keep this thing.

[@BryanPike]

TFL didn't read the user manual either and had no idea what they were doing.

[@dustinizard2524]

Please quit whining about the amenities! It’s an off road vehicle. That is clearly based off of yesterdays Land Rover that was made for the older generation!

[@TheAtzeonline]

It is not a G-Wagen.....

[@Pandora882]

No nut Mag a Styrr engines both

[@robertfrost4433]

Not real Defender, kit car!

[@mikefoster7085]

It's definitely not a Defender, it's too comfortable and you can actually drive it with your elbows inside the cab 😂

[@robertfrost4433]

@@mikefoster7085 I have the Defender 2 and it is a proper Defender!

[@dos0711]

Seems unpredictable and unreliable…two bad traits for off-road

[@RootBeerGMT]

You sound vaccinated

[@dos0711]

@@RootBeerGMT hopefully I’m vaccinated against your stupidity

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

@@RootBeerGMT lol so basic intelligence is now equated with being vaccinated, and that is a BAD thing lol

[@peterwalmsley7419]

Most people that have trouble have NOT read the instructions. Its not like the range rover where you hop in ang go and hope it does not break down.

[@rodgood]

I love to sleep when i drive, i would never consider a Grenadier,Jeep or drive any heavy duty truck .

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

Good. We don’t need people asleep and driving.

[@christopherkeene3647]

Stupid vehicles for those kind of people

[@healthyamerican]

I don't see this company surviving. They had a great idea to revive the defender after it was dropped in 2015. They invested something like a billion dollars? By the time it was all done, land rover reinvented released the new defender, and stole their thunder. Jeep gladiator, Ford bronco, and now the new Toyota land cruiser are out. For $100,000, you can buy and build any of the brands mentioned and have money left over for travel. Then there's the fact that ineos grenadier is the dumbest choice for a vehicle name. On top of that, the vehicle is kinda boring looking. It doesn't inspire. On top of that, its a new brand which no one has ever heard of and also hasn't been proven for reliability. How many will they have to sell just to get back the initial investment? By that time people will have so many other more affordable and desirable options

[@peterfrenette5735]

When orders were opened to the global market in May 2022, Ineos racked up 1,500 orders in the first 12 hours. Within two months of the May launch, sales were 110% of the whole year target, while real-time lead generation is delivering a customer database growth of 40% on the year.

[@healthyamerican]

K. Are you saying their going to get their initial investment back soon? and then start turning a profit? If not, then why are you debating my comments? If yes, then good for them. I hope they make their money back then turn a profit. But I would be surprised​@@peterfrenette5735

[@BryanPike]

Shear American ignorance on the history of the term Grenadier. This starts at $75k plus 2k for lockers.... not $100k. You evidently have no grasp of why Sir Jim stated this or the $18B in dry powder backing this company.

[@christophergolden5297]

Electronics are always going to be the weakest link on these vehicles! That's why I love my 83 Scottsdale

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

had a 86 C20 hd 8500 gvw ,no catalytic converters ,some states =sorry California 1976 and newer emission /smog check other states repower with any engine you want