Infinite Fire Webinar V - Prof. Dr. Wouter J. Hanegraaff on The Real Hermetic Tradition

[@francismercuri4824]

This lecture was phenomenal!

[@juliekemp419]

What a wonderful delight to listen to a concise, elegant and eloquent coverage. I'm a Francis Bacon (aka 'Shakespeare') acolyte of the last few years and wonder about his 'take' on origins of Hermetica. I'm also an Anunnaki aficionado and hold that 'Hermes' was the Greek name for Ningishzidda, son of Enki - the so-called 'god' of Good and this world creator of Humankind and Civilisation. Enki later realised that his colleagues, Ninhursag and Ningishzidda were acting as agents of The Creator of All - the true God, not a demiurge when he engineered Us from Homo Erectus or other. Enlil, Enki's brother was the hardline bureaucrat and warmonger who i gather developed into Yahweh. Ningishzidda was known i gather as the Egyptian Thoth who then became the Hellenic Hermes and the Roman Mercury/Mercurius. It's just all so fascinating and seems to fit what a lot of earnest, diligent independent scholars and researchers are digesting as more Tablets and dig sites are being revealed. Bless 'Hermes' and dear Yeshua. Bless all those wonderful scholars you mention Dr. Thank you.

[@wcropp1]

These webinars are fantastic. Don’t let the occasional moron in the comments discourage your efforts. Thanks!

[@zexalinishere]

This was absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much for the thorough webinar!

[@allvice]

Thank you Prof.Hanegraaff very much!

[@ronnykaplan9821]

Fantastic, thank you so much. Hope to see more of these in the future.

[@soundzgreg]

Many thanks for the great work

[@TheModernHermeticist]

I cannot believe your publishers misspelled your name on your translation....

[@Cholatemilk1]

I thought I might see you here

[@johnnewton8017]

Oh nice! I’ve been scouring your YT channel all week! 🥰

[@Siriusaor]

Thank you for the clarification Professor!

[@mohammedlguensat7649]

- How can we define "magic" from the hermetic perspective? is it merely a set of techniques designed to animate statues or rather a complete world view? - Can we envision hermeticim without its teurgical (magical) dimension? - Is the problem with the practices themselves (apotheosis, control of the elements, creation of souls...) or with our interpretation (labeling) of them ? - Is there really any radical opposition between hermetic and Christian mystical traditions versus classical (pagan) philosophy, (original, middle end neo) platonic for instance? it seems that all traditions are stereological and posit Gnosis as the only means for salvation. - Is the opposition between the hermetic and the mystical Christian traditions from one hand, and classical tradition from the other hand, relates to the essence of the doctrines or, rather, to language and metaphor? - Can we evaluate the hermetic tradition from a religious Christian stand point? - Can we characterize hermeticism as simply an auxiliary to Christianity? aren't we here stressing the doctrinal (even the sectarian) differences over the transcendental unity of the inner meaning? - Is the hermetic Christ the doctrinal Jesus or a Cosmic Principle? and if they are identical, how is that we accredit the Christian and reject all the "pagan" manifestations of the same principle, and their (equally valid, though put in slightly different language ) message. - Given the oriental genesis of the Christian faith and its eschatological view of the end of history and the corruption of the end of time, can't we conclude that Christianity, and by extension Christian hermeticism, are but other forms of (religious) Orientalism?

[@watermelonlalala]

26:26 Who was Lodovico Lazzarelli?

[@k.arlanebel6732]

Professor Hanegraff's lecture here is superior. You won't find anything online that is better concerning this subject. Please pardon me for offering a personal comment which is given with the deepest regard for Hanegraff: Lazarelli's Hermetic Christianity is in the category of Neo-Platonic Christianity with essential emphasis on transcendentalism and liberation from material/bodily existence into the realm of Spirit. If you watch the video of Hanegraff's lecture on Jacob Boehme, which I passionately recommend, you will find a contrary Christian mystical vision which completely rejects this anti-material body position with a position of bodily redemption in Christ that, if taken as true, renders the position of Lazarelli finally superfluous. Material redemption is the path to the Kingdom of God which is the New Earth that is one with Heaven in a new reality. In the Hermetic Christianity of Lazarelli there is no reference to the Kingdom in spite of the eschatological element in Lazarelli. Hanegraff makes this quite clear in his lecture on Boehme. And, again, I express my deep respect for Hanegraff.

[@user-iu5up4zs4z]

This is fantastic!

[@tylerbriggs6002]

What an amazing lecture! I would like to know whether Dr. Hanegraaff is familiar with a work entitled "A suggestive inquiry..." by M. A. Atwood and what his thoughts are on the relationship between the history of alchemy and the hermetic tradition.

[@watermelonlalala]

1:07:20 Cornelius Agrippa. (The Devil and the black dog tradition.) Agrippa adopted all of Lazzarelli's Christian interpretations of the Hermetic literature.

[@InterestedInDansk]

*Giordano Bruno* The Dominican motto is *Veritas* _TRUTH_ The preaching subjects that Bruno would have vocalized publically are those he rejected at his trial. His *Heroic Frenzies* strike me as an ardent search for the divine, this is a search for *TRUTH* and *REVELATION* both of which were warned against in the Council of Trent, less than 30 years before. So his search for *TRUTH* went full circle in which he became a *Martyr* for it.

[@retribution999]

I wonder what these various historical figures like Bruno wouls have made of the Gnostic Gospels of Nag Hammadi..

[@arimagoo4687]

Was hermetic knowledge spread out or 'trickled down' to the common people or was it carefully excluded and reserved only for private studies by 'special groups' or elites? Or possibly as a study for interested academics only?

[@arimagoo4687]

Jon Goat thank you , very helpful and great to find this channel!

[@TheSecretmuseum]

Cannot find your order page for your Lazarelli book!

[@tiagomoraismorgado1253]

the ancient wisdom mentioned in the video is prisca theology right?

[@TheModernHermeticist]

Yes, though it is admittedly a nebulous idea.

[@RonnieLimestone]

Excellent.

[@Bmg391]

I have a few questions: - What can be said about Isaac Casaubon's analysis of the linguistic style of the Greek Hermetic texts that led to the conclusion those texts are actually from the 2nd or 3rd century AD? This would actually "disqualify" Hermeticism as an ancient tradition? Or it could be said that they are merely a written version of a tradition that has been passed orally until then? - I have heard positivie feedback from the writings of Julius Evola and the Italian UR Group, are they legitimate representatives of Hermeticism? Or their writings at least have a correct interpretation of Hermetic teachings as they were originally? Anyway, great lecture. Thanks very much.

[@FreemanPresson]

Have a look at Slavenburg's _The Hermetic Link_. It's a much more inclusive treatment. We'll never find all of the influences that led to Hermeticism, but some are definitely there.

[@Bmg391]

Thank you sir.

[@josephk7946]

very healthy to see the clash of agendas in the comments. I've just purchased frances yates books, and it's good to see a critical take on them whether it's right or wrong

[@TheModernHermeticist]

The grand hermetic narrative is wrong, but there's still a lot of good stuff in the book methinks.

[@TheModernHermeticist]

I decided to write a conference paper on it... which means you'll hear it when its done and I've fairly represented both sides of the story - I should say "the grand hermetic narrative" isn't in and of itself wrong, it's Yates' narrative that is wrong (fallacy: cherry-picking). "Platonic Orientalism" is in and of itself also a form of grand narrative (fallacy: reductionism, or at least moving goal-post), it's just ultimately clearer (or more historically accurate) and does not lump everyone into Hermeticism when talking about the Western Esoteric Tradition. Think of Hermeticism as a smaller circle inside of Platonic Orientalism - to Hanegraaff, what makes you a Hermeticist is that you've settled on Thoth-Hermes as the originator of the 'prisca theologia/perennial wisdom' rather than Zoroaster, Moses, Orpheus, Pythagoras, etc.

[@JDG602]

Theurgy is idolatry? Since when are non-Christian modern scholars classifying Theurgy as idolatry? Are we taking on the views of Augistine now in modern scholarship? Other than that his argument is very strong. Spent a little to much time pulling a part a single book that could of been spent on telling us on what the Hermetic Tradition actually IS. I do understand why that it is because how influential Yates book is, but still he could of approached the entire point differently. Otherwise a great lecture and is much appreciated.

[@WhiteBull_33]

How can I find Lazarelli's writings on Hermeticism?

[@rfrankhuizen]

Same question?

[@liamsilveira4757]

I’m pretty sure the lecturer has edited an anthology of his texts

[@truth-seeker33]

I came to this lecture 7 years later (7 laws). And it's 11:11 AM.

[@cristinagargiulo2395]

Thanks!!!

[@rememberingtruth]

Incredible!

[@TREUMER0304703199]

As a pupil of Philo,are there any connections to Hermetism? At once thanks

[@EmbassyoftheFreeMind]

Hi Cliff, here a connection by G.R.S. Mead that might get your further on your quest: www.sacred-texts.com/gno/th1/th111.htm. Best of luck!

[@watermelonlalala]

31:58 The Viterbo Manuscript, 1482

[@TheSecretmuseum]

Great thanks!

[@watermelonlalala]

1:26:36 Conclusions

[@watermelonlalala]

My conclusions. Never heard of Lazarelli before, but it sounds to me like he got it, spot on, except Judaism was a trap that Christianity got us out of. (Moses has nothing to do with any of this). No more research needs to be done.

[@duantorruellas716]

Brilliant

[@watermelonlalala]

44:34 Pimander

[@alchemyphilosophersstone2634]

interesting

[@retribution999]

Interesting but academic. What we all want to know is how to apply it to our own lives.

[@1330m]

아테나 vs 예루살렘 vs 알렉산드리아(헤르메스) 로마제국의 지성영혼의 지도 21세기 중국 vs 한국 vs 일본 (오키나와 ) 이런 새로운 지도가 만들어진다

[@Kenneth_H_Olsen]

Hermes Trismagistus is mostly about god . It is in Dialogue form, and very intuitive read .

[@watermelonlalala]

51:35 The Crater Hermetis. The true gnosis. Hermes was a pagan. Pimander is Christ. Only Christians can understand the Hermetic Mystery. Spiritual Regeneration. Ascent, Gnosis, Unity with God, Super powers. (I think the super power should be "redeem souls", not create souls.)

[@dansel5276]

neck mic! check it out..

[@FreemanPresson]

By this kind of analysis, I can easily make Plato out to have been a non-Platonist. I'm sure he can do better than this.

[@vancouverguy2533]

Wouldnt be too unusual. Marx wasnt a Marxist. So...There is a difference between the person who inspired later ideas, and that person actually following those ideas themselves.

[@boomerangenglish879]

a poor attempt to place a Christian Hermeticists above Bruno, who is Hermes without Christ... this video bears the agenda of someone looking for a Christian alignment, and the approach of the Lectorium R.C. Poor scholarship.

[@TheModernHermeticist]

Would you like to show us your sources where Bruno talks about his interaction with Hermetic texts like the Corpus Hermeticum, the Asclepius, or the Picatrix?

[@jermainemoss7809]

Moses got the laws from ancient kemet. Which is Africa. Its called the laws of Maat. This existed thousands of years even before the moses in the bible was born or even abraham. Get your facts straight, its called kemetic teachings. Not hermetic, Greeks got their civilization out of Africa. All Greek scholars will tell you that if you've ever read their writings. Stop spreading falsehood

[@Kamelryttare]

Hermes Trismegistus

[@jermainemoss7809]

@@Kamelryttare that's their theory.

[@lapidus9552]

We wuz

[@ManusDionysii]

We wuz